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British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:56 pm

British Airways has loaded back it’s third daily Miami-Heathrow flight, recently suspended due to fleet engine issues with the Trent 1000 that caused decreased long haul capacity.

Interestingly, it’s a post midnight departure from Miami. I’ve never seen that. Service resumes October 25th 2020.

BA 209 LHR 1610-2155 744 Daily
BA 210 MIA 0015-1235+1 744 Daily

Edited to add: Totally forgot about daylight savings. It’s only post midnight departure for the first week.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pm

Assuming AA will drop a frequency?
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:06 pm

Great! I was unhappy about the disappearance of the flight.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:10 pm

Good to see flight back, flew it from Heathrow to Miami last September, very long walk to Customs though so where your walking shoes. Would love to see an A350-1000 on at least one of the Miami flights since the 744 are old with old Club World, First Class is retro.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:11 pm

How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:22 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Assuming AA will drop a frequency?


No, AA’s recently resumed second daily is still there.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:29 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Assuming AA will drop a frequency?


No, AA’s recently resumed second daily is still there.


For now. If they decide to drop it, it’ll update over the weekend.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:35 pm

Ishrion wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Assuming AA will drop a frequency?


No, AA’s recently resumed second daily is still there.


For now. If they decide to drop it, it’ll update over the weekend.


Sure, that could happen. There’s a lot of capacity in Miami-London next winter with 3x BA/2x VS/2x AA/1x DY and that’s going to hurt profits.

However the combined AA/BA schedules very well compliment each other with departures at roughly the 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 9pm and 11pm hours.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:38 pm

x1234 wrote:
How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.

I can't believe that after all of these years people still don't get it. BA does NOT own IB. They never have :banghead:
Both BA and IB are fully owned subsidiaries of IAG.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:38 pm

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How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.


BA doesn't own IB. They are both owned by International Airlines Group (IAG), which also owns Aer Lingus, Vueling and whatever the heck LEVEL is at the moment. IAG is also attempting to buy Air Europa.

I have no idea the % of passengers connecting to Latin America via MIA on BA but my guess is not many given the US transit hassle. At least not to markets served by IB. There are several markets served by AA, not IB so there may be some decent connections going on. Anyone in the know, please enlighten.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:46 pm

airbazar wrote:
x1234 wrote:
How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.

I can't believe that after all of these years people still don't get it. BA does NOT own IB. They never have :banghead:
Both BA and IB are fully owned subsidiaries of IAG.


That's a pedantic distinction. BA created the holding company IAG to own BA, IB and other subsidiaries.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:48 pm

For clarity, it's Iberia who is buying Air Europa.

"International Consolidated Airlines Group ("IAG") and Globalia ("Globalia") are pleased to announce that definitive transaction agreements have been signed under which IAG’s wholly owned subsidiary, IB OPCO Holding S.L. (“Iberia”), has agreed to acquire the entire issued share capital of Air Europa ("Air Europa") for €1 billion to be satisfied in cash at Completion (the “Acquisition”) and subject to a closing accounts adjustment."
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:49 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
x1234 wrote:

How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.


BA doesn't own IB. They are both owned by International Airlines Group (IAG), which also owns Aer Lingus, Vueling and whatever the heck LEVEL is at the moment. IAG is also attempting to buy Air Europa.

I have no idea the % of passengers connecting to Latin America via MIA on BA but my guess is not many given the US transit hassle. At least not to markets served by IB. There are several markets served by AA, not IB so there may be some decent connections going on. Anyone in the know, please enlighten.


On the Miami end traffic is largely terminating although I’m sure that there is a decent amount of Caribbean feed.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:48 am

Many destinations served by Iberia in Latin America miss some connecting opportunities at MAD and are routed XYZ-MIA-LHR-XXX. I've been routed GUA-MIA-LHR-XYZ several times because IB's GUA/SAL flight misses destinations that only operate during the morning banks. That being said, I don't know how many people connect to MIA's flights to LHR but I'm pretty sure it's not a small amount.

As someone mentioned, the visa situation probably pushes a lot of people to PTY via AMS/CDG/FRA and beyond.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:11 am

avi8 wrote:
Many destinations served by Iberia in Latin America miss some connecting opportunities at MAD and are routed XYZ-MIA-LHR-XXX. I've been routed GUA-MIA-LHR-XYZ several times because IB's GUA/SAL flight misses destinations that only operate during the morning banks. That being said, I don't know how many people connect to MIA's flights to LHR but I'm pretty sure it's not a small amount.

As someone mentioned, the visa situation probably pushes a lot of people to PTY via AMS/CDG/FRA and beyond.


The visa thing is over exaggerates, IMO. As Americans or Europeans, we may see visas as a hassle and something we try to avoid, but for many middle and especially upper class Latin Americans, a U.S. visa is just something you have, like a passport. And while how long they can be is dependent on country and other factors, a multi-entry visa is often valid for five or even ten years, so it’s not like you need to get a new one every time you fly.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:33 am

Well, can say about Brazil. Departing from São Paulo or Rio, we have direct flights to all major hubs in Europe from local carriers and European carriers.

Other countries, specially those in the Andes doesn't have all these options though...

American tourist/business visas for Brazilians are issued for a 10 years period.

EU countries does not require visa to Brazilian citizens for tourism/business purposes.

So all in all, from Brazil, flying directly seems to be cheaper and somewhat hassle free.

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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:27 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Assuming AA will drop a frequency?


No, AA’s recently resumed second daily is still there.



AA runs two MIA to LHR in the winter but only once daily on the summer.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:29 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

No, AA’s recently resumed second daily is still there.


For now. If they decide to drop it, it’ll update over the weekend.


Sure, that could happen. There’s a lot of capacity in Miami-London next winter with 3x BA/2x VS/2x AA/1x DY and that’s going to hurt profits.

However the combined AA/BA schedules very well compliment each other with departures at roughly the 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 9pm and 11pm hours.


That is the winter schedule, in the summer AA & Virgin are once daily. BA is going to be double daily this summer, the third frequency is not until late October 2020.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:35 am

airbazar wrote:
x1234 wrote:
How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.

I can't believe that after all of these years people still don't get it. BA does NOT own IB. They never have :banghead:
Both BA and IB are fully owned subsidiaries of IAG.


A distinction without a difference.

It's like acting as though the goals and leadership of Google and Alphabet have nothing to do with each other.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:38 am

jfk777 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Assuming AA will drop a frequency?


No, AA’s recently resumed second daily is still there.



AA runs two MIA to LHR in the winter but only once daily on the summer.


Yes, I know that. But AA only recently reintroduced the second flight. It had been discontinued a few years ago.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:26 am

Are any BA 744s getting the new Club Suites?
 
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Are any BA 744s getting the new Club Suites?

Nope
 
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the 744 are old with old Club World, First Class is retro.


Wha....? The BA First Class suite on the 747 is the same as the A380 and 777. The 787 is a modified, slightly less-spacious version. There is no First on the A350.

I can see your point ref Club World, but I do not follow your argument ref First?
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:51 pm

vhtje wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
the 744 are old with old Club World, First Class is retro.


Wha....? The BA First Class suite on the 747 is the same as the A380 and 777. The 787 is a modified, slightly less-spacious version. There is no First on the A350.

I can see your point ref Club World, but I do not follow your argument ref First?


The BA First Class is 20 years old, the same as the old Club World, when the 777-200ER & 744 fleets were new. It was revolutionary at the time but many airlines have innovated superior products since. BA was making record profits from their old First and Club World so they never bothered to get new ones, sadly that caused the state of affairs BA suffers from today. Frankly the old CW is embarrassing.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:10 pm

jfk777 wrote:
vhtje wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
the 744 are old with old Club World, First Class is retro.


Wha....? The BA First Class suite on the 747 is the same as the A380 and 777. The 787 is a modified, slightly less-spacious version. There is no First on the A350.

I can see your point ref Club World, but I do not follow your argument ref First?


The BA First Class is 20 years old, the same as the old Club World, when the 777-200ER & 744 fleets were new. It was revolutionary at the time but many airlines have innovated superior products since. BA was making record profits from their old First and Club World so they never bothered to get new ones, sadly that caused the state of affairs BA suffers from today. Frankly the old CW is embarrassing.


No, that is not true - First is 10 years old. BA First - the hardware, i.e. the seat, etc - was overhauled quite significantly in 2010, receiving a £100 million update.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/news/ ... ays-first/

The whole hardware changed, and although the footprint was roughly the same, it is wrong to think of it as a mere facelift. There is a new First coming this year, apparently, on refitted 777s.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:43 pm

jfk777 wrote:
vhtje wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
the 744 are old with old Club World, First Class is retro.


Wha....? The BA First Class suite on the 747 is the same as the A380 and 777. The 787 is a modified, slightly less-spacious version. There is no First on the A350.

I can see your point ref Club World, but I do not follow your argument ref First?


The BA First Class is 20 years old, the same as the old Club World, when the 777-200ER & 744 fleets were new. It was revolutionary at the time but many airlines have innovated superior products since. BA was making record profits from their old First and Club World so they never bothered to get new ones, sadly that caused the state of affairs BA suffers from today. Frankly the old CW is embarrassing.

Not sure where you get your idea First is 20 years old from. The long haul fleet was fitted with the new First product about a decade ago. Easy to see on the photo pages as the front cabins on the B744 and B772s start seeing a load more windows blocked. You can literally eyeball each aircraft and see when it was refitted.
 
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skipness1E wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
vhtje wrote:

Wha....? The BA First Class suite on the 747 is the same as the A380 and 777. The 787 is a modified, slightly less-spacious version. There is no First on the A350.

I can see your point ref Club World, but I do not follow your argument ref First?


The BA First Class is 20 years old, the same as the old Club World, when the 777-200ER & 744 fleets were new. It was revolutionary at the time but many airlines have innovated superior products since. BA was making record profits from their old First and Club World so they never bothered to get new ones, sadly that caused the state of affairs BA suffers from today. Frankly the old CW is embarrassing.

Not sure where you get your idea First is 20 years old from. The long haul fleet was fitted with the new First product about a decade ago. Easy to see on the photo pages as the front cabins on the B744 and B772s start seeing a load more windows blocked. You can literally eyeball each aircraft and see when it was refitted.


The seats map on the 744 is exactly the same. The window shades are nice but it a gimmick to say they have something "new". New is when the seats are totally different.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:28 pm

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The seats map on the 744 is exactly the same. The window shades are nice but it a gimmick to say they have something "new". New is when the seats are totally different.

Just because the seat map is the same doesn't mean the seat is the same. Are you seriously saying that the seats in the photos below are the same?:

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MIflyer12 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
x1234 wrote:
How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.

I can't believe that after all of these years people still don't get it. BA does NOT own IB. They never have :banghead:
Both BA and IB are fully owned subsidiaries of IAG.


That's a pedantic distinction. BA created the holding company IAG to own BA, IB and other subsidiaries.

Oh BA alone created IAG? Keep believing that. It's called a merger for a reason.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Is there a reason why BA doesn't deploy their B77Ws to MIA?
 
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How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.


You must read a bit more....BA does not belong IB...the old kingdoom is gone long ago
 
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Is there a reason why BA doesn't deploy their B77Ws to MIA?


They used to several years ago - but it's down to fleet utilisation ultimately and where they can rotate the aircraft through elsewhere. Plus, with two/three flights a day it's just as easy to keep the same type on the route. The mid-J 747 offers the right mix of premium and economy capacity. With 7 747s being retired in 2020 MIA may well be one of the last routes to see the 747. After 2024, who knows? Could be a mix of 787-10s/A350s/77Ws/772s/779s/A380s. Network planning is going to be interesting for BA over the next few years.

As for connections, it seems as though for the BA flights, the majority of the connections are Heathrow rather than the Miami end. I don't know about the AA flights. There are connections at the Miami end but it seems as though nearly double the number connect onwards through Heathrow.
 
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jfk777 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
jfk777 wrote:

The BA First Class is 20 years old, the same as the old Club World, when the 777-200ER & 744 fleets were new. It was revolutionary at the time but many airlines have innovated superior products since. BA was making record profits from their old First and Club World so they never bothered to get new ones, sadly that caused the state of affairs BA suffers from today. Frankly the old CW is embarrassing.

Not sure where you get your idea First is 20 years old from. The long haul fleet was fitted with the new First product about a decade ago. Easy to see on the photo pages as the front cabins on the B744 and B772s start seeing a load more windows blocked. You can literally eyeball each aircraft and see when it was refitted.


The seats map on the 744 is exactly the same. The window shades are nice but it a gimmick to say they have something "new". New is when the seats are totally different.

In which given they put in new seats, it’s, how can I put this, n-e-w.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:21 pm

BA777FO wrote:
J343 wrote:
Is there a reason why BA doesn't deploy their B77Ws to MIA?


They used to several years ago - but it's down to fleet utilisation ultimately and where they can rotate the aircraft through elsewhere. Plus, with two/three flights a day it's just as easy to keep the same type on the route. The mid-J 747 offers the right mix of premium and economy capacity. With 7 747s being retired in 2020 MIA may well be one of the last routes to see the 747. After 2024, who knows? Could be a mix of 787-10s/A350s/77Ws/772s/779s/A380s. Network planning is going to be interesting for BA over the next few years.

As for connections, it seems as though for the BA flights, the majority of the connections are Heathrow rather than the Miami end. I don't know about the AA flights. There are connections at the Miami end but it seems as though nearly double the number connect onwards through Heathrow.


That's informative! I would have thought that BA also sends their B77Ws to SFO. Rather than 1xB744 and 1xA380 and the occasional B772ER
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:48 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
British Airways has loaded back it’s third daily Miami-Heathrow flight, recently suspended due to fleet engine issues with the Trent 1000 that caused decreased long haul capacity.

Interestingly, it’s a post midnight departure from Miami. I’ve never seen that. Service resumes October 25th 2020.

BA 209 LHR 1610-2155 744 Daily
BA 210 MIA 0015-1235+1 744 Daily

Edited to add: Totally forgot about daylight savings. It’s only post midnight departure for the first week.


Just a slight correction - the outbound flight number is 211, resulting in the following schedule:

BA207 LHR - MIA 09:35 - 15:25
AA39 LHR - MIA 09:35 - 15:40
AA57 LHR - MIA 11:35 - 17:35
BA209 LHR - MIA 14:15 - 20:10
BA211 LHR - MIA 16:10 - 21:55

BA206 MIA - LHR 18:15 - 06:35
AA56 MIA - LHR 19:05 - 07:45
AA38 MIA - LHR 20:30 - 09:15
BA208 MIA - LHR 22:05 - 10:55
BA210 MIA - LHR 00:15 - 12:35
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:48 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Many destinations served by Iberia in Latin America miss some connecting opportunities at MAD and are routed XYZ-MIA-LHR-XXX. I've been routed GUA-MIA-LHR-XYZ several times because IB's GUA/SAL flight misses destinations that only operate during the morning banks. That being said, I don't know how many people connect to MIA's flights to LHR but I'm pretty sure it's not a small amount.

As someone mentioned, the visa situation probably pushes a lot of people to PTY via AMS/CDG/FRA and beyond.


The visa thing is over exaggerates, IMO. As Americans or Europeans, we may see visas as a hassle and something we try to avoid, but for many middle and especially upper class Latin Americans, a U.S. visa is just something you have, like a passport. And while how long they can be is dependent on country and other factors, a multi-entry visa is often valid for five or even ten years, so it’s not like you need to get a new one every time you fly.


:checkmark: :checkmark: :checkmark:

MIA is a big OW connection hub from Europe to Latin America, and vice versa, especially with the TATL JV. I've even been routed through XXX-MAD-MIA-XXX as well as XXX-LHR-MIA-XXX on IB/BA in the past and was certainly not the only one on the bird using MIA as a thoroughfare. Point as made elsewhere in the feed is the connectivity, and frequency, out of MIA for Latin America is so much greater than MAD.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:40 pm

I have flown LHR MIA many times, most on AA and just sitting waiting for my bag at the carousel I see tons of onward intl bag tags coming down the chute (especially since AA has a nice evening bank to Latin America that connects well from AA39. I have seen many GYE, GUA, GCM, MGA, KIN, UIO tagged bags.

Thusly I would suspect that that connects for OW are probably pretty good at MIA
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:01 pm

I wonder if there is much traffic connecting in MIA to other BA destinations in the United States like DFW, IAH, AUS...etc for passengers that could not get on the nonstop AA/BA flight to those cities.
 
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dfwjim1 wrote:
I wonder if there is much traffic connecting in MIA to other BA destinations in the United States like DFW, IAH, AUS...etc for passengers that could not get on the nonstop AA/BA flight to those cities.

While it doesn't account for any significant amount of traffic, BA224 (MSY-LHR eastbound) routinely shows up on AA's website as a 1stop routing for both MIA and DFW originating pax.

I'm guessing because it leaves late, it also serves as an overflow for any pax who may have missed/changed from both of those gateways earlier departures, without interfering with their later departure banks or missing any Euro-side connections due to their even-later departure.

Anecdotally, I've noticed a few MIA-originating bags last time I was on it, but none from DFW.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

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MAH4546 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Many destinations served by Iberia in Latin America miss some connecting opportunities at MAD and are routed XYZ-MIA-LHR-XXX. I've been routed GUA-MIA-LHR-XYZ several times because IB's GUA/SAL flight misses destinations that only operate during the morning banks. That being said, I don't know how many people connect to MIA's flights to LHR but I'm pretty sure it's not a small amount.

As someone mentioned, the visa situation probably pushes a lot of people to PTY via AMS/CDG/FRA and beyond.


The visa thing is over exaggerates, IMO. As Americans or Europeans, we may see visas as a hassle and something we try to avoid, but for many middle and especially upper class Latin Americans, a U.S. visa is just something you have, like a passport. And while how long they can be is dependent on country and other factors, a multi-entry visa is often valid for five or even ten years, so it’s not like you need to get a new one every time you fly.

I agree 100% on the visa part. People in the Caribbean/Latam get their US visa just as they would their passport. It’s seen as normal course of business to have one especially because many people travel directly to the US as well and likely do so more frequently than they do to parts beyond. The bigger hassle is the requirement to clear immigration and customs, and reclear security. However, people will put up with it if the price/schedule work for them.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:27 pm

The Miami and South Florida area is a huge vacation destination for European vacationers trying to escape the wintertime cold in their countries. Add in demand for cruises from MIA and Fort Lauderdale and you have yourself one busy O/D market.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:49 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
x1234 wrote:
How much % of BA passengers in MIA connect to other places or even down to Latin America? BA now owns IB which have a extensive Latin American network out of MAD but the prices are more expensive.

I can't believe that after all of these years people still don't get it. BA does NOT own IB. They never have :banghead:
Both BA and IB are fully owned subsidiaries of IAG.


That's a pedantic distinction. BA created the holding company IAG to own BA, IB and other subsidiaries.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:01 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
I wonder if there is much traffic connecting in MIA to other BA destinations in the United States like DFW, IAH, AUS...etc for passengers that could not get on the nonstop AA/BA flight to those cities.

While it doesn't account for any significant amount of traffic, BA224 (MSY-LHR eastbound) routinely shows up on AA's website as a 1stop routing for both MIA and DFW originating pax.

I'm guessing because it leaves late, it also serves as an overflow for any pax who may have missed/changed from both of those gateways earlier departures, without interfering with their later departure banks or missing any Euro-side connections due to their even-later departure.

Anecdotally, I've noticed a few MIA-originating bags last time I was on it, but none from DFW.

The MIA originating bags don’t surprise me. As MIA is the more leisure oriented of the two, people seem to be more likely to route themselves via whatever connection results in the lowest fare. I’ve seen people connect via RDU to LHR as well from MIA so the non-hub connections aren’t uncommon at all.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:31 am

Such a joke of a post. Basically this exact same time last year BA announced the exact same 3x daily, only to mysteriously pull the 3rd flight AND the A380 and blame it on the Trent engines even though they don’t fly any aircraft to MIA with Trent engines. But BA can’t admit MIA is a poor yielding market because it’s a major OW hub.

Here’s the announcement from last Spring for fall/winter ‘19/‘20 and we now see how well that went - https://londonairtravel.com/2019/03/17/ ... row-miami/
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:06 am

jakeroberts212 wrote:
Such a joke of a post. Basically this exact same time last year BA announced the exact same 3x daily, only to mysteriously pull the 3rd flight AND the A380 and blame it on the Trent engines even though they don’t fly any aircraft to MIA with Trent engines. But BA can’t admit MIA is a poor yielding market because it’s a major OW hub.

Here’s the announcement from last Spring for fall/winter ‘19/‘20 and we now see how well that went - https://londonairtravel.com/2019/03/17/ ... row-miami/


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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:11 am

Miami wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:
Such a joke of a post. Basically this exact same time last year BA announced the exact same 3x daily, only to mysteriously pull the 3rd flight AND the A380 and blame it on the Trent engines even though they don’t fly any aircraft to MIA with Trent engines. But BA can’t admit MIA is a poor yielding market because it’s a major OW hub.

Here’s the announcement from last Spring for fall/winter ‘19/‘20 and we now see how well that went - https://londonairtravel.com/2019/03/17/ ... row-miami/


You are wrong in so many ways.


I'd just use the ignore feature. The poster does not have a basic understanding of how airline route management and fleet planning works and is incredibly upset that British Airways flies thrice a day to Miami for some odd reason.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:53 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Miami wrote:
jakeroberts212 wrote:
Such a joke of a post. Basically this exact same time last year BA announced the exact same 3x daily, only to mysteriously pull the 3rd flight AND the A380 and blame it on the Trent engines even though they don’t fly any aircraft to MIA with Trent engines. But BA can’t admit MIA is a poor yielding market because it’s a major OW hub.

Here’s the announcement from last Spring for fall/winter ‘19/‘20 and we now see how well that went - https://londonairtravel.com/2019/03/17/ ... row-miami/


You are wrong in so many ways.


I'd just use the ignore feature. The poster does not have a basic understanding of how airline route management and fleet planning works and is incredibly upset that British Airways flies thrice a day to Miami for some odd reason.


They DONT fly thrice a day MIA-LHR. How many BA flights
Operated MIA-LHR today? How many operate tomorrow? The next day? Does TWO (BA 206 & BA 208) now all of a sudden equal three?
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:17 pm

jakeroberts212 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Miami wrote:

You are wrong in so many ways.


I'd just use the ignore feature. The poster does not have a basic understanding of how airline route management and fleet planning works and is incredibly upset that British Airways flies thrice a day to Miami for some odd reason.


They DONT fly thrice a day MIA-LHR. How many BA flights
Operated MIA-LHR today? How many operate tomorrow? The next day? Does TWO (BA 206 & BA 208) now all of a sudden equal three?


You clearly didn’t read the opening post. 3 daily resumes on October 25, 2020. It was only a temporary suspension.
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:29 pm

The issue with the Trent engines has meant a degree of back fill and re-shuffling of B787 flying with B747, hence the Miami frame was displaced. At least two BA Dreamliners are still parked up engineless at LHR, G-ZBJF at TB1A and G-ZBKN outside TBK.
 
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Re: British Airways Resumes 3x daily to Miami

Fri Jan 17, 2020 12:48 pm

Do they offer a two meal service on that midnight departure or just breakfast?
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