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LAXintl
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SIA Group News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:43 am

On December 30th Japan MLIT announced it authorized Singapore traffic rights to operate 5th freedom services between Tokyo and New York effective March 2020.

SQ had requested the rights back in June and wanted to offer the service in cooperation with ANA.

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https://youtu.be/kLkd13rY_a8

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So if launched will this be an additional NYC service by SQ, or would it replace existing 1-stop service via FRA?

The March date obviously timed to backfill slots being vacated at NRT by flights moving to HND.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:47 am

I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:49 am

tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


Because they can?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:57 am

tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


They seem to have found a successful niche with their product in certain 5th freedom markets and I assume see the reduction in Narita-U.S. capacity has a potential opportunity. I don’t think NYC-Tokyo is a poor yielding market. Singapore has remained a strong player in LA-Tokyo for decades, so maybe they see a window to build on that?

I wonder if this would replace JFKFRA though.
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Re: Singapore granted 5th Freedom Tokyo-New York rights

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:57 am

tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


SQ clearly has data to prove that the route would make a profit for them, otherwise why would they waste time applying for the service?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:02 am

This seems slightly surprising to me. SQ's competitive advantage on these fifth freedom routes is the extremely positive public perception of its hard and soft product. I feel like their advantage in that regard is going to be very weak on this route compared with others. The Japanese carriers also have outstanding service (I've personally found NH to be better than SQ when I've flown them). There are other routes where their service advantage would be more obvious.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:10 am

SQ's schedule, based on winter timings, could look like this:
SIN - NRT - JFK: 1200 - 1945/2145 - 2010
JFK - NRT - SIN: 0200 - 0615/0815 - 1455 or 1000 - 1415/1615 - 2255
If slots at JFK are an issue, they could go to EWR. None of the flight times overlap with any of ANA's offerings.
They could operate it with either 777-312ER or A350-941.
 
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Re: Singapore granted 5th Freedom Tokyo-New York rights

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:22 am

i wonder what this means, if anything, for SQ25/26 JFK-FRA.

if timed right, this new route could capture a healthy amount of east asian connecting traffic that has connected onwards at NRT over the years to/from TPAC flights that are now being moved to HND.
 
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Re: Singapore granted 5th Freedom Tokyo-New York rights

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:24 am

Should have tried HND. More popular.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:24 am

Interesting... was this proposed as a SQ-metal service, or envisioned as some sort of deeper commercial partnership (like a JV) with ANA?

JFK-FRA-SIN is only marginally longer than JFK-NRT-SIN, so I wonder if this service would complement the existing flight or replace it?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:28 am

Rossiya747 wrote:
Should have tried HND. More popular.



Maybe so but it seems very unlikely the Japanese would allow 5th freedom from there.

Possible RTW SIN-NRT-JFK-FRA-SINvv, either way if they do this I would say a 77W, with JFK-FRA going 77W also.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:30 am

Rossiya747 wrote:
Should have tried HND. More popular.


5th freedom flights are not permitted from HND.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:33 am

Be interesting to see if this happens, if JFK-FRA ends and the SIN-FRA leg is downgraded to an A350.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:44 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Rossiya747 wrote:
Should have tried HND. More popular.



Maybe so but it seems very unlikely the Japanese would allow 5th freedom from there.

Possible RTW SIN-NRT-JFK-FRA-SINvv, either way if they do this I would say a 77W, with JFK-FRA going 77W also.


Return of the RTW's! Do it!
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:37 am

I’m wondering what will happen to their LAX flights. I’ve been really hoping SQ bring their ICN fifth freedom flights back, and there’s no doubt in my mind that they’ve contemplated on it.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:42 am

They have a great product, the markets are huge that they are going after, not crazy to think they cannot earn a profit. Also have multiple Star Alliance hubs involved.
 
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Re: Singapore granted 5th Freedom Tokyo-New York rights

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:51 am

I always thought that their JFK-FRA runs were incredibly low-yielding, but I could be wrong.

Years ago I booked a JFK-FRA O/W leg on SQ for around $190 during Summer season.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:58 am

I heard rumours that since cargo is important for SQ their US services are going A350/B77W which has larger cargo volume than the rather limited A380. FRA-JFK is becoming B77W and SIN-NRT-EWR is launched with a B77W.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:08 am

SQ.are totally the opposite of NZ they can make 5th freedom routes work and open new ones while NZ can't and are dropping AKL-LAX-LHR altogether. They have a better on board product which helps and lower staff costs.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:08 am

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


They seem to have found a successful niche with their product in certain 5th freedom markets and I assume see the reduction in Narita-U.S. capacity has a potential opportunity. I don’t think NYC-Tokyo is a poor yielding market. Singapore has remained a strong player in LA-Tokyo for decades, so maybe they see a window to build on that?

I wonder if this would replace JFKFRA though.


They are also entering he market just in time for the 2020 Olympics in Tokyo. Probably the best opportunity they’ll get to try and make the route work.

Depends on the type they plan on using, but if it’s a 77W or 359, I suspect SQ25/26 (JFK-FRA-SIN) to stick around on the A380 purely for the suites. Despite the direct option, I know many people who will opt for the stop to get in a suite. Alternatively, they could move the 380 to the NRT route to keep the option available.

There was a lot of speculation in another thread a few weeks ago that SQ would be starting a SIN-JFK ULH flight to complement SQ21/22. Wonder if this announcement means that isn’t happening. 4 daily flights out of NYC for SQ seems unrealistic to me.
 
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Re: Singapore granted 5th Freedom Tokyo-New York rights

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:10 am

Any chance this route goes to EWR and not JFK? This could fill the void of the lack of ANA service to EWR.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:17 am

NZ516 wrote:
SQ.are totally the opposite of NZ they can make 5th freedom routes work and open new ones while NZ can't and are dropping AKL-LAX-LHR altogether. They have a better on board product which helps and lower staff costs.


Totally different airlines. Geography, population, fleet size.

NZ are doing ok LAX-LHR but the costs of the route are increasing and they have decided that it’s not a growth market and like most of their other 5th freedom routes that they will drop it. NZ-LHR in itself is a large typically low yielding market with more than 20 airlines flying via their hubs. NZ’s onboard product has nothing to do with them dropping the route, more they need the aircraft elsewhere aswell.

SIN-US is a reasonable sized market and seems to have good yields, the highest yielding traffic takes the non stop services ex SIN while they do well enough and pick stopover ports where the yields are high aswell.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:30 am

I wonder how this cooperation between NH/SQ would fit in with the NH/UA joint venture
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:01 am

Does the US also have a say in this? I would think the current administration would be less than anxious to approve it.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:13 am

kiowa wrote:
Does the US also have a say in this? I would think the current administration would be less than anxious to approve it.


No.

US has open-skies with both Japan and Singapore and remember U.S carriers utilized their own 5th freedom traffic rights between Japan and Singapore for decades.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:20 am

kiowa wrote:
Does the US also have a say in this?


Yes they do. The US signed a treaty. The treaty permits Japan to approve certain Fifth Freedom operations, and this is one of them. The treaty doesn't give the US opportunity to approve or disapprove flights that Japan authorizes in compliance with the treaty.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:14 am

Carpethead wrote:
SQ's schedule, based on winter timings, could look like this:
SIN - NRT - JFK: 1200 - 1945/2145 - 2010
JFK - NRT - SIN: 0200 - 0615/0815 - 1455 or 1000 - 1415/1615 - 2255
If slots at JFK are an issue, they could go to EWR. None of the flight times overlap with any of ANA's offerings.
They could operate it with either 777-312ER or A350-941.


Closest they have right now is SQ12...SIN-NRT-LAX on an B773....they do fly their A359 into HND. Would require a bit of rescheduling as all HND-JFK flights are morning departures and all NRT-JFK are evening departures.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:13 am

LAXintl wrote:
So if launched will this be an additional NYC service by SQ, or would it replace existing 1-stop service via FRA?


SQ026 is still coordinated as SIN-FRA-JFK. At least for the IATA summer 2020, we'll see the flight continue.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:45 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
SQ.are totally the opposite of NZ they can make 5th freedom routes work and open new ones while NZ can't and are dropping AKL-LAX-LHR altogether. They have a better on board product which helps and lower staff costs.


Totally different airlines. Geography, population, fleet size.

NZ are doing ok LAX-LHR but the costs of the route are increasing and they have decided that it’s not a growth market and like most of their other 5th freedom routes that they will drop it. NZ-LHR in itself is a large typically low yielding market with more than 20 airlines flying via their hubs. NZ’s onboard product has nothing to do with them dropping the route, more they need the aircraft elsewhere aswell.

SIN-US is a reasonable sized market and seems to have good yields, the highest yielding traffic takes the non stop services ex SIN while they do well enough and pick stopover ports where the yields are high aswell.


Agreed. NZ is a different airline to SQ, operating in different circumstances, so it’s not a fair comparison. But I can’t help feel that NZ’s dropping of LHR isn’t a big mistake - it reeks of short-termism to me. It will be interesting (and telling) to see if NZ sell their LHR slots, or lease them out. Still, NZ’s loss is ME3/SQ/CX and in particular, QF’s gain, I suppose.

I can see this SQ fifth freedom being a big success. I wonder if JAL will respond?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:01 pm

SQ has been using NRT as a jumping off point to the U.S. for decades. I'm pretty sure they know what they're doing. The only thing that surprises me a bit is that they didn't try NRT-BOS too. They would be the only *A carrier on the BOS-Asia market.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:16 pm

YYZLGA wrote:
This seems slightly surprising to me. SQ's competitive advantage on these fifth freedom routes is the extremely positive public perception of its hard and soft product. I feel like their advantage in that regard is going to be very weak on this route compared with others. The Japanese carriers also have outstanding service (I've personally found NH to be better than SQ when I've flown them). There are other routes where their service advantage would be more obvious.



I always found NH crew to be "pleasant" but they lack that attention to detail and warmth that is ingrained in SQ crews.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:40 pm

tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


Probably because there is an even larger group of passengers that can't justify the expense of a non-stop. There's no reason for SQ not to serve both markets. If SQ doesn't serve the market for one-stop routing between Singapore and NYC, other airlines will supply the market.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:20 pm

Sounds like SQ did not do this in a vacuum alone, but in cooperation with NH.

I am sure they have done their homework and believe the route would be a success - after all why ask the Singapore government to seek the traffic rights from Japan if they don't plan on utilizing it?
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:59 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


Probably because there is an even larger group of passengers that can't justify the expense of a non-stop. There's no reason for SQ not to serve both markets. If SQ doesn't serve the market for one-stop routing between Singapore and NYC, other airlines will supply the market.

There are no shortage of one stop options. Sq will not be competitive schedule wise against what cx has with one stop options. That's why everyone wants to fly sq on the non stop.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:19 pm

tphuang wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why they are doing more 5th freedom when they can fly direct. NYC-NRT seems unlike be a high yielding route for SQ.


Probably because there is an even larger group of passengers that can't justify the expense of a non-stop. There's no reason for SQ not to serve both markets. If SQ doesn't serve the market for one-stop routing between Singapore and NYC, other airlines will supply the market.

There are no shortage of one stop options. Sq will not be competitive schedule wise against what cx has with one stop options. That's why everyone wants to fly sq on the non stop.


Given the sub-human behavior on Chinese carriers, and caters-to-their-own-first mentality on Japanese/Korean ones, I will stick with the we-dislike-everyone motto at the US3. Better variety of IFE, too (though those AA 777s prove otherwise).
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:24 pm

On the UA Fleet/Network thread there were some linked notes from a conversation with Scott Kirby where he mentioned that SQ is one of UA's biggest competitors in the TPAC space. Due to the UA/NH JV, it would be very surprising to me to see NH collaborate with SQ on EWR-NRT or JFK-NRT.

I'm in the camp that would rather see SQ start JFK-SIN nonstop while downgauging JFK-FRA-SIN to the 77W.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:48 pm

Would've rather seen this 5th freedom start from ORD since SQ'll probably not come back to ORD anytime soon
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:21 am

Excited for SQ on the 5th freedom flight!

Now HKG-JFK/ORD by SQ please =)
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:40 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Any chance this route goes to EWR and not JFK? This could fill the void of the lack of ANA service to EWR.


NH and UA are in a metal-neutral JV, and UA operates a B77W on NRT-EWR.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:31 am

I reckon this puts an end to the weeks-long debate on this site about SQ starting up ORD vs. IAD/BOS/YYZ? :roll:
 
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TSA125 wrote:
I reckon this puts an end to the weeks-long debate on this site about SQ starting up ORD vs. IAD/BOS/YYZ? :roll:


There is 2 or 3 if you add a spare ULH 359s unassigned from October with LAX reducing to 7 weekly from 10 and SFO getting the regular 359 instead of the ULH on the additional 3 weekly services.

Having said that I can’t see personally anywhere outside of LAX/NYC/SFO where the ULH configuration makes sense, IAH doesn’t probably I don’t think best linked via MAN still?

Let alone anywhere like IAD/BOS/YYZ which aren’t even served, Where will the ULHs go? JFK? 2 daily JFK, 2 daily EWR with a non stop and a FRA-JFK and EWR-NRT?
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:09 am

TSA125 wrote:
I reckon this puts an end to the weeks-long debate on this site about SQ starting up ORD vs. IAD/BOS/YYZ? :roll:


There is 2 or 3 if you add a spare ULH 359s unassigned from October with LAX reducing to 7 weekly from 10 and SFO getting the regular 359 instead of the ULH on the additional 3 weekly services.

Having said that I can’t see personally anywhere outside of LAX/NYC/SFO where the ULH configuration makes sense, IAH doesn’t probably I don’t think best linked via MAN still?

Let alone anywhere like IAD/BOS/YYZ which aren’t even served, Where will the ULHs go? JFK? 2 daily JFK, 2 daily EWR with a non stop and a FRA-JFK and EWR-NRT?
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:20 am

TSA125 wrote:
I reckon this puts an end to the weeks-long debate on this site about SQ starting up ORD vs. IAD/BOS/YYZ? :roll:


I agree! It ends the speculation. It looks like SQ thinks there's more potential in expanding existing destinations rather than opening new ones.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:49 am

jerseyewr777 wrote:
TSA125 wrote:
I reckon this puts an end to the weeks-long debate on this site about SQ starting up ORD vs. IAD/BOS/YYZ? :roll:


I agree! It ends the speculation. It looks like SQ thinks there's more potential in expanding existing destinations rather than opening new ones.


Will be interesting to see. As somebody who has flown Business Class ANA numerous times in the past 3 years this is a welcome addition. ANA do need to go back to the drawing board with hospitality and cabin ambience IMHO.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:33 pm

Carpethead wrote:
SQ's schedule, based on winter timings, could look like this:
SIN - NRT - JFK: 1200 - 1945/2145 - 2010
JFK - NRT - SIN: 0200 - 0615/0815 - 1455 or 1000 - 1415/1615 - 2255
If slots at JFK are an issue, they could go to EWR. None of the flight times overlap with any of ANA's offerings.
They could operate it with either 777-312ER or A350-941.


This would then be the only red-eye from NYC to TYO, and the latest departure from TYO to NYC. This would allow business people a full day in Tokyo and fly back to NYC after work immediately. The westbound timing is attractive to people who can sleep on the flight too.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:24 pm

FSDan wrote:
On the UA Fleet/Network thread there were some linked notes from a conversation with Scott Kirby where he mentioned that SQ is one of UA's biggest competitors in the TPAC space. Due to the UA/NH JV, it would be very surprising to me to see NH collaborate with SQ on EWR-NRT or JFK-NRT.

I'm in the camp that would rather see SQ start JFK-SIN nonstop while downgauging JFK-FRA-SIN to the 77W.


SQ has been collaborating with NH for decades. Every one or just about every one of NH's flights to the U.S. have a SQ codeshare today and that has been the case for a very long time. The NH/UA JV does nothing to change that.

As for the downgauge of the FRA route to 77W it will never happen. The A380 is needed for the SIN-FRA route where SQ and LH have been strong partners for decades too. Remember that LH doesn't serve AUS so this is a major trunk route for *A from Europe to Australia. Just like with NH in the TPAC, just about every SQ flight to Australia has a LH code. SIN-FRA has been a flagship route for SQ for many, many years, second only to SIN-LHR. I suspect that SIN-FRA will be SQ's very last A380 route.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:17 pm

I do not understand why we (USA) allow these 5th Freedom Rights, eg Emirates Italy-USA, among others. Could someone please explain why we allow them and what advantage do we (USA) gain from them?

Thank you
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:48 pm

747cllipper747 wrote:
I do not understand why we (USA) allow these 5th Freedom Rights, eg Emirates Italy-USA, among others. Could someone please explain why we allow them and what advantage do we (USA) gain from them?

Consumers gain more choices, which usually translates to lower fares as well, and US airlines get to keep their own 5th freedom rights. Asian countries would not have granted US carriers multiple fifth-freedom rights through NRT for years if their own airlines had been denied reciprocal rights by the US.

On the passenger side, it doesn't appear that 5th freedom traffic is growing overall. While there are new entrants like this route and Emirates, US airlines are pulling back on many of their fifth-freedom routes through longer non-stops or reliance on partner airlines. Overall, non-stop flights by local airlines are growing all over the world thanks to the 787 and the A321.

On the cargo side though, fifth-freedom rights are alive and well all over the world. From the US, FedEx, UPS, and Atlas all operate round-the-world and multiple-hop flights relying on fifth-freedom to carry freight from one foreign country to another along the way (Southern operates round-the-world as well but they are scheduled charters for DHL). The list of foreign airlines operating fifth-freedom flights between the US and another country is pretty long: Cathay, Singapore, Asiana, Cargolux, Emirates, Avianca, Qatar, Qantas, etc. Very often, these airlines operate on routes where there is no competition.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:49 pm

747cllipper747 wrote:
I do not understand why we (USA) allow these 5th Freedom Rights, eg Emirates Italy-USA, among others. Could someone please explain why we allow them and what advantage do we (USA) gain from them?

First and foremost, there are very few of these 5th freedom routes into the U.S.
Second, it's good for business. These 5th freedom routes stimulate markets that U.S carriers would never be interested in stimulating. Every passenger that flies these routes is money COMING INTO the economy.
Third, U.S. carriers have had and still have a long history of operating 5th freedom routes too so the befit is reciprocal. in fact that's exactly why these open skies agreements exist today. It's because U.S. carriers were once a dominant force in global aviation and wanted to exploit markets all over the world.
 
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Re: Singapore granted 5th Freedom Tokyo-New York rights

Sat Jan 04, 2020 7:03 pm

If not for 5th freedom, airlines like Pan Am would have only achieved a fraction of its global reach during their heyday.

U.S. airlines probably have been the biggest users and benefit recipients of 5th freedom rights with their extensive historic overseas operations and bases.
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