Happy New Year to everyone!
I think it is better to discuss all the movements in whole group's fleet in one thread.
So, the new year began with the return of D-AILL (A319) wearing new livery to FRA and the next one is D-AILU with Lu sticker. Will this sticker stay with the new livery?

Best regards

Link to previous threead:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1414151

Looking forward to reading more about LH and it’s subsidiaries this year. Service levels have become a little hit or miss on LH over the last couple of years based on my observations.

According to https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/eurowings Eurowings' A332 D-AXGB is undergoing a cabin refurbishment. Does anyone know what will be changed?

Looks like their A321s’ repaintings have been completely stopped after repainting D-AIDM in January (also with a 1-month delay) despite a plenty of repaintings that were scheduled for January - March. Why did it happen?

Did LH already store some widebodies due to the fact that they are not flying to China right now?

I cannot imagine that they can use the surplus aircraft on other routes...

LH is scheduling the 359 from MUC to FCO in April on many flights.

stylo777 wrote:

LH is scheduling the 359 from MUC to FCO in April on many flights.

Wow, sounds rather like damage control i.e. making the best use out of the situation.

Thank you for your feedback.

Wonder how they use the surplus VLA‘s...

N14AZ wrote:

stylo777 wrote:

LH is scheduling the 359 from MUC to FCO in April on many flights.

Wow, sounds rather like damage control i.e. making the best use out of the situation.

Thank you for your feedback.

Wonder how they use the surplus VLA‘s...

Or crew training flights maybe? Why not take advantage of the surplus to train some more crew on this type?
Just an idea...

A321Lufthansa wrote:

According to https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/eurowings Eurowings' A332 D-AXGB is undergoing a cabin refurbishment. Does anyone know what will be changed?

All SunExpress operated A332 will receive the current Lufthansa Business Class Seat which is also already installed in the A333 operated by Brussels for EWG.

First Swiss A320neo is about to be delivered.

Curious:

Airbus A340 -313 335 D-AIGY Lufthansa ferried 19feb20 DUB-FRA after paint ex OO-SCW

( Courtesy https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/ )

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

FatCat wrote:

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

That would be LH's own A343 returning to the mainline fleet. So no acquiring involved.

HB-IWC wrote:

FatCat wrote:

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

That would be LH's own A343 returning to the mainline fleet. So no acquiring involved.

you are right, my apologies

HB-IWC wrote:

FatCat wrote:

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

That would be LH's own A343 returning to the mainline fleet. So no acquiring involved.

Unfortunately no photos of it after repainting have been published yet. Does it take the name Lünen as it used to before leaving to EW as this website shows?
https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

FatCat wrote:

Curious:

Airbus A340 -313 335 D-AIGY Lufthansa ferried 19feb20 DUB-FRA after paint ex OO-SCW

( Courtesy https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/ )

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

They didn't send any A346s for storage. D-AIHB and D-AIHF are just undergoing maintenance at MNL and MLA respectively.

A321Lufthansa wrote:

FatCat wrote:

Curious:

Airbus A340 -313 335 D-AIGY Lufthansa ferried 19feb20 DUB-FRA after paint ex OO-SCW

( Courtesy https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/ )

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

They didn't send any A346s for storage. D-AIHB and D-AIHF are just undergoing maintenance at MNL and MLA respectively.

Maybe they didn't recently. But between 2016 and 2018 seven LH A346s were scrapped.

LH779 wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

FatCat wrote:

Curious:



( Courtesy https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/ )

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

They didn't send any A346s for storage. D-AIHB and D-AIHF are just undergoing maintenance at MNL and MLA respectively.

Maybe they didn't recently. But between 2016 and 2018 seven LH A346s were scrapped.

Yes this is what I was saying

B777Neuss wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

According to https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/eurowings Eurowings' A332 D-AXGB is undergoing a cabin refurbishment. Does anyone know what will be changed?

All SunExpress operated A332 will receive the current Lufthansa Business Class Seat which is also already installed in the A333 operated by Brussels for EWG.

It's really annoying to see LH installing such a subpar J product in 2020. Once BA is roling out their new J cabin LH will be the only legacy in Europe using a 2-2-2 config without any privacy.

Any chance whatsoever of OS getting any relatively new widebodies (i.e., built since 2010)?

A321Lufthansa wrote:

Looks like their A321s’ repaintings have been completely stopped after repainting D-AIDM in January (also with a 1-month delay) despite a plenty of repaintings that were scheduled for January - March. Why did it happen?

Now there's an update that A/C currently being stored at SNN will be repainted there but still D-AIRA, for example, is scheduled for January while it's away for long time. And how are they going to repaint 4 aircrafts (D-AIRB, AIRW, AISB, AISJ) at one place in 9 days if they're all scheduled for February?

A321Lufthansa wrote:

FatCat wrote:

Curious:

Airbus A340 -313 335 D-AIGY Lufthansa ferried 19feb20 DUB-FRA after paint ex OO-SCW

( Courtesy https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/ )

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

They didn't send any A346s for storage. D-AIHB and D-AIHF are just undergoing maintenance at MNL and MLA respectively.

Is D-AIHB being repainted? Flew in it last year and I wouldn't want it to have the beautiful old livery removed. I guess heavy maintenance in MNL means it won't be retired for a while though?

upperdeckfan wrote:

It's really annoying to see LH installing such a subpar J product in 2020. Once BA is roling out their new J cabin LH will be the only legacy in Europe using a 2-2-2 config without any privacy.

Yes but this is being installed on a Eurowings aircraft, so it doesn't need to be a quality product on the level of LH.

zkojq wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

FatCat wrote:

Curious:



( Courtesy https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/ )

LH is sending to storage A346s but is acquiring old A343s...

They didn't send any A346s for storage. D-AIHB and D-AIHF are just undergoing maintenance at MNL and MLA respectively.

Is D-AIHB being repainted? Flew in it last year and I wouldn't want it to have the beautiful old livery removed. I guess heavy maintenance in MNL means it won't be retired for a while though?

No, the aircrafts are not repainted in MNL. The mostly possible A346s to be repainted next are D-AIHD and AIHP as their paint looks really old with bold font of the regs.

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

They didn't send any A346s for storage. D-AIHB and D-AIHF are just undergoing maintenance at MNL and MLA respectively.

Is D-AIHB being repainted? Flew in it last year and I wouldn't want it to have the beautiful old livery removed. I guess heavy maintenance in MNL means it won't be retired for a while though?

No, the aircrafts are not repainted in MNL.

why is that? don't they have the facilities there or is it just cheaper somewhere else?
doesn't make sense to me to undergo maintenance checks and don't complete the repaint.

I also followed the empty flight from D-AIHB to Manila on FR24 this week. It is pure madness in times of drastic climate change to fly an A 346 over 9000 km empty(!!!!) from Germany to Manila just to have it maintenances there. How many additional emissions are blown into the air unnecessarily! Where is the social and environmental responsibility of Lufthansa? Surely it must be possible to carry out maintenance at the LH yards in Hamburg, Franfurt or Malta!

AirbusOnly wrote:

I also followed the empty flight from D-AIHB to Manila on FR24 this week. It is pure madness in times of drastic climate change to fly an A 346 over 9000 km empty(!!!!) from Germany to Manila just to have it maintenances there. How many additional emissions are blown into the air unnecessarily! Where is the social and environmental responsibility of Lufthansa? Surely it must be possible to carry out maintenance at the LH yards in Hamburg, Franfurt or Malta!

Cause it's simply cheaper to do so in Manila.

And Lufthansa by far isn't the only airline doing so. For example Condor used to do cabin refurbishments in Xiamen and LATAM frequently sends their aircraft to Abu Dhabi for maintenance (more than 12,000km from Sao Paulo).

AirbusOnly wrote:

I also followed the empty flight from D-AIHB to Manila on FR24 this week. It is pure madness in times of drastic climate change to fly an A 346 over 9000 km empty(!!!!) from Germany to Manila just to have it maintenances there.

What about the millions and millions of cars using the Autobahn every day, usually with only the driver on board? What about the giant containers ships sailing between Asia and Europe to transport consumer goods that could also be made in Germany? What about all the people who burn coal or wood to warm their homes? What about aircraft delivery flights from Seattle to Frankfurt? Also pure madness? It is perfectly fine to fly an A340 empty every now and then. Saving the planet won't come from shorter maintenance trips.

AirbusOnly wrote:

How many additional emissions are blown into the air unnecessarily! Where is the social and environmental responsibility of Lufthansa? Surely it must be possible to carry out maintenance at the LH yards in Hamburg, Frankfurt or Malta!

How many emissions are blown into the air unnecessarily by people taking a flying holiday? What's the point of all the flights from Germany to Southern Europe when the local summer weather is just as pleasant, perhaps even more pleasant?

You might also argue Lufthansa takes social responsability seriously by creating valuable jobs in the Philippines.

VTCIE wrote:

Any chance whatsoever of OS getting any relatively new widebodies (i.e., built since 2010)?

Some of the 20 Boeing 787 LH ordered are likely to end up with OS, though the distribution within LH group hasn't been decided on yet.

MartijnNL wrote:

It is perfectly fine to fly an A340 empty every now and then. Saving the planet won't come from shorter maintenance trips.

One could argue that shorter flights are preferable, e. g. by sending the A340 to HKG (or somewhere else in Asia) with passengers and only fly HKG-MNL empty. When QF send their A380s to Dresden for maintenance, they often do so between revenue flights to/from London.

Skyeurope wrote:

And Lufthansa by far isn't the only airline doing so. For example Condor used to do cabin refurbishments in Xiamen and LATAM frequently sends their aircraft to Abu Dhabi for maintenance (more than 12,000km from Sao Paulo).

Hawaiian Airlines went from Honolulu to Rome for new paint. That's almost 13,000 km.
https://mobile.twitter.com/enrique77w/s ... 1105110019

MartijnNL wrote:

AirbusOnly wrote:

I also followed the empty flight from D-AIHB to Manila on FR24 this week. It is pure madness in times of drastic climate change to fly an A 346 over 9000 km empty(!!!!) from Germany to Manila just to have it maintenances there.

What about the millions and millions of cars using the Autobahn every day, usually with only the driver on board? What about the giant containers ships sailing between Asia and Europe to transport consumer goods that could also be made in Germany? What about all the people who burn coal or wood to warm their homes? What about aircraft delivery flights from Seattle to Frankfurt? Also pure madness? It is perfectly fine to fly an A340 empty every now and then. Saving the planet won't come from shorter maintenance trips.

AirbusOnly wrote:

How many additional emissions are blown into the air unnecessarily! Where is the social and environmental responsibility of Lufthansa? Surely it must be possible to carry out maintenance at the LH yards in Hamburg, Frankfurt or Malta!

How many emissions are blown into the air unnecessarily by people taking a flying holiday? What's the point of all the flights from Germany to Southern Europe when the local summer weather is just as pleasant, perhaps even more pleasant?

You might also argue Lufthansa takes social responsability seriously by creating valuable jobs in the Philippines.

Thank you!

mxaxai wrote:

VTCIE wrote:

Any chance whatsoever of OS getting any relatively new widebodies (i.e., built since 2010)?

Some of the 20 Boeing 787 LH ordered are likely to end up with OS, though the distribution within LH group hasn't been decided on yet.

B787 order will distribute between LH, OS and LX

zkojq wrote:

First Swiss A320neo is about to be delivered.

I see it also features a new cabin. When can we expect first LH A320neo equipped with it?

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

First Swiss A320neo is about to be delivered.

I see it also features a new cabin. When can we expect first LH A320neo equipped with it?

There are already a few flying with this cabin, even A320ceo’s

MaxiAir wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

First Swiss A320neo is about to be delivered.

I see it also features a new cabin. When can we expect first LH A320neo equipped with it?

There are already a few flying with this cabin, even A320ceo’s

Really? Which ones? I thought that LH currently has the new cabin only aboard A321neos.

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

First Swiss A320neo is about to be delivered.

I see it also features a new cabin. When can we expect first LH A320neo equipped with it?

All NEOs delivered from now on have a group spec. Same cabin for LH/LX/OS and other harmonizations

Blotto wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

First Swiss A320neo is about to be delivered.

I see it also features a new cabin. When can we expect first LH A320neo equipped with it?

All NEOs delivered from now on have a group spec. Same cabin for LH/LX/OS and other harmonizations

What's the difference between that and what the older A320neos have? I was in D-AINO last year - is that new or old spec?

zkojq wrote:

Blotto wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

I see it also features a new cabin. When can we expect first LH A320neo equipped with it?

All NEOs delivered from now on have a group spec. Same cabin for LH/LX/OS and other harmonizations

What's the difference between that and what the older A320neos have? I was in D-AINO last year - is that new or old spec?

D-AINO 100% has the old cabin. Though I’m curious which LH A320neo was the first to be equipped with the new cabin.

According to flightaware, D-ABVO (B744) has been in PEK since 23/01. Can anyone shed some light as to why? Related to coronavirus?

tomgle wrote:

According to flightaware, D-ABVO (B744) has been in PEK since 23/01. Can anyone shed some light as to why? Related to coronavirus?

Not at all, check his page and scroll down to the 744 fleet.
D-ABVO is in PEK for maintenance.

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

330lover wrote:

tomgle wrote:

According to flightaware, D-ABVO (B744) has been in PEK since 23/01. Can anyone shed some light as to why? Related to coronavirus?

Not at all, check his page and scroll down to the 744 fleet.
D-ABVO is in PEK for maintenance.

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

Ah I wasn’t aware of this page, thanks!

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

Blotto wrote:

All NEOs delivered from now on have a group spec. Same cabin for LH/LX/OS and other harmonizations

What's the difference between that and what the older A320neos have? I was in D-AINO last year - is that new or old spec?

D-AINO 100% has the old cabin. Though I’m curious which LH A320neo was the first to be equipped with the new cabin.

The switch happend somewhere mid 2019, don't know precisely which one.

MaxiAir wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

zkojq wrote:

What's the difference between that and what the older A320neos have? I was in D-AINO last year - is that new or old spec?

D-AINO 100% has the old cabin. Though I’m curious which LH A320neo was the first to be equipped with the new cabin.

The switch happend somewhere mid 2019, don't know precisely which one.

There were no 320neo's between Jun '19 and Jan '20. Does this mean that D-AINV/W/X (that were the first 32N delivered directly to MUC) are already with the new cabin?

A321Lufthansa wrote:

MaxiAir wrote:

A321Lufthansa wrote:

D-AINO 100% has the old cabin. Though I’m curious which LH A320neo was the first to be equipped with the new cabin.

The switch happend somewhere mid 2019, don't know precisely which one.

There were no 320neo's between Jun '19 and Jan '20. Does this mean that D-AINV/W/X (that were the first 32N delivered directly to MUC) are already with the new cabin?

But there were some A320ceo deliveries as well. The ones delivered towards the end of the year do feature the new cabin.

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

mxaxai wrote:

VTCIE wrote:

Any chance whatsoever of OS getting any relatively new widebodies (i.e., built since 2010)?

Some of the 20 Boeing 787 LH ordered are likely to end up with OS, though the distribution within LH group hasn't been decided on yet.

B787 order will distribute between LH, OS and LX

Nothing for SN ? (as usual)

Boavida wrote:

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

mxaxai wrote:

Some of the 20 Boeing 787 LH ordered are likely to end up with OS, though the distribution within LH group hasn't been decided on yet.

B787 order will distribute between LH, OS and LX

Nothing for SN ? (as usual)

Will continue to use second-hand Airbus A330-300

tomgle wrote:

330lover wrote:

tomgle wrote:

According to flightaware, D-ABVO (B744) has been in PEK since 23/01. Can anyone shed some light as to why? Related to coronavirus?

Not at all, check his page and scroll down to the 744 fleet.
D-ABVO is in PEK for maintenance.

https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/lufthansa

Ah I wasn’t aware of this page, thanks!

It's a very good page to follow the whereabouts of the fleet of LH, LX, SN, OS and the rest of the 'LH-gang', and very up-to-date.

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

Boavida wrote:

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

B787 order will distribute between LH, OS and LX

Nothing for SN ? (as usual)

Will continue to use second-hand Airbus A330-300

What's wrong with a well maintained, refurbished, upgraded second-hand 333?
I know, my username makes me a bit prejudiced maybe, but still…
Switching a small long-haul fleet from 333 to 787 would also mean a full retraining of crew.
Now for me (again according to my username) the ideal scenario would be for SN to get 339neo...

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

Boavida wrote:

RainerBoeing777 wrote:

B787 order will distribute between LH, OS and LX

Nothing for SN ? (as usual)

Will continue to use second-hand Airbus A330-300

Well, the situation with SN long-haul fleet is okay and I can't say the same about OS. There are now only 3 B772s younger than 20 years old while all SN A332s will be gone until 2022. By the way, will they also find some A333 to replace them?

LH NEOs starting to get the silly bandit mask now.

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