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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:25 am

According to this article the 777-9 will not arrive before Q2/2022. Meanwhile Lufthansa considers to bring A350 deliveries forward.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/lufthansa-boeing-777-9-delivery
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 7:50 am

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Flying-Tiger wrote:
According to this article the 777-9 will not arrive before Q2/2022. Meanwhile Lufthansa considers to bring A350 deliveries forward.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/lufthansa-boeing-777-9-delivery

Why did this article say those who do not want to be named. Lufthansa said this last week publicly LOL

https://twitter.com/spaethflies/status/ ... 56738?s=21
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 10:18 pm

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777luver wrote:
LHA320 wrote:

The A343s will not leave the fleet this year. The 744 are already done, with the A346 only returning if a speedy recovery of the demand will occur. I personally doubt that this will happen, so I would suggest 744 and A346 not returning!


That’s great news for the 343s. Is there a source for that statement? (If possible)


Just look at the fleet and where the different types are based. FRA will be left with the A333, A343 and 748 at the end of the year, MUC will see a mix of A333 and A359. With some (maybe 5 or so) A333 going back to MUC, don't expect A359 in FRA because LH isn't in the position to introduce a new type with all the costs connected to it at the FRA base and there are not enough A359 on property rtn. The remaining 10 A333 will be used on flights like DXB, JFK etc. The 748 on trunk routes like LAX, EZE etc. So what aircraft will cover the routes which are too long for the A333 and don't justify the capacity of a 748? Guess what, the A343!
These aircraft are paid off and while we all agree that their days are numbered, I see the final one leave in 2022/2023. 2 are currently undergoing maintenance in MLA, so maybe you will see some frames go, but not the whole fleet. D-AIGL for example is one of the candidates, because it was due to retire last year, but was kept because 4 LH A333 were transferred to EW/SN.


Seems like my company proves me wrong once again. 5 A350 will be based in FRA beginning the winter flight schedule. 4 active aircraft with one spare. Destinations to be determined, but Asian destinations more likely than North American. Big news for my home airport!
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:33 am

LHA320 wrote:

Seems like my company proves me wrong once again. 5 A350 will be based in FRA beginning the winter flight schedule. 4 active aircraft with one spare. Destinations to be determined, but Asian destinations more likely than North American. Big news for my home airport!


That’s great news. Awesome to see the A350 at FRA in LH colors. Was about time...
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 10:47 am

Revelation wrote:
AndoAv8R wrote:
So with the current fleet shifts does this mean its likely that the 777X's on order will replace just the 747-400s or possibly some of the 747-8's as well? I would assume long term (assuming nothing crazy happens) it will be 777X/787/A350 for the widebody fleet?

In general we should avoid "X replaces Y" thinking, and it's even more true in the current and future covid-impacted environment.

Having said that, the earlier statement was 777x targeted A346 replacement and 748i would be staying.

Makes sense, 748i are young and have better engines than A380 or A346.

So it will be 748i/777X/787/A350 for the widebody fleet with a very small chance of A380 or A346 coming back too.

Considering current traffic forecast and financials at LH, I’m not convinced we will see any 777X in LHs colours anytime soon.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 3:18 pm

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Considering current traffic forecast and financials at LH, I’m not convinced we will see any 777X in LHs colours anytime soon.

Well we know it's already put off to 1H2022 so there's no worry of having to deal with them any time soon.
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:56 am

LHA320 wrote:
LHA320 wrote:
777luver wrote:

That’s great news for the 343s. Is there a source for that statement? (If possible)


Just look at the fleet and where the different types are based. FRA will be left with the A333, A343 and 748 at the end of the year, MUC will see a mix of A333 and A359. With some (maybe 5 or so) A333 going back to MUC, don't expect A359 in FRA because LH isn't in the position to introduce a new type with all the costs connected to it at the FRA base and there are not enough A359 on property rtn. The remaining 10 A333 will be used on flights like DXB, JFK etc. The 748 on trunk routes like LAX, EZE etc. So what aircraft will cover the routes which are too long for the A333 and don't justify the capacity of a 748? Guess what, the A343!
These aircraft are paid off and while we all agree that their days are numbered, I see the final one leave in 2022/2023. 2 are currently undergoing maintenance in MLA, so maybe you will see some frames go, but not the whole fleet. D-AIGL for example is one of the candidates, because it was due to retire last year, but was kept because 4 LH A333 were transferred to EW/SN.


Seems like my company proves me wrong once again. 5 A350 will be based in FRA beginning the winter flight schedule. 4 active aircraft with one spare. Destinations to be determined, but Asian destinations more likely than North American. Big news for my home airport!


And official news now!
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... inter.html

Destinations ORD, LAX and HND
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:30 pm

So 4 A350 at FRA, 7 at MUC and the rest of fleet parked for winter season.
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:25 pm

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So 4 A350 at FRA, 7 at MUC and the rest of fleet parked for winter season.


4 active frames and one spare frame at FRA, so technically 5 in total!
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:07 pm

Will there be crew familiarisation flights for the FRA crew or will they just start directly the LH-flights?
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:54 pm

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Will there be crew familiarisation flights for the FRA crew or will they just start directly the LH-flights?


No need. Per the Lufthansa press release linked above the flights are operated by MUC based crews (already certified on A350).
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:24 pm

Final 744, D-ABVY left FRA for TEV today. Ferry flights to the desert will start with D-ABVP to MHV at the end of october. Don't expect LH aircraft going to MHV to return to active service.
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:30 am

Despite rising COVID numbers in Switzerland, South Africa has lifted quarantine entry restrictions on Oct 19. Edelweiss (WK) will use this opportunity to launch 1x weekly flights ZRH-CPT with A343 equipment, starting on Nov 25.
Similarly, WK will increase ZRH-PUJ from current 1x weekly to 2x weekly in Nov and 3x weekly by Dec.
https://www.travelnews.ch/flug/17377-ab ... stadt.html [German]
https://www.airliners.de/edelweiss-flue ... cana/57886 [German]

LH is expanding codeshare agreements with SunExpress (XQ) and Aegean (A3). This is mostly targeted at holiday travellers.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ghlight=lh
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... re-in-s21/

An A350-900 will visit TXL one last time on Nov 7.

LH1954 MUC1900 – 2010TXL 359 07NOV20
LH1955 TXL2110 – 2220MUC 359 07NOV20
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... n-07nov20/

On the topic of fleet news in 2020 Q4:
LH is considering to move an additional 4 A350 from MUC to FRA. All major maintenance for the remaining 744 has been deferred indefinitely. LX wants to ground all A320ceo, relying exclusively on their A220 and A32Xneo. Same for OS, except that OS would switch to exclusively using their E-195 and Dash8 fleet. A small number of A320ceo may remain operational as required by demand. Eurowings is planning to use 30 out of currently 84 A319/320ceo.
https://www.aerotelegraph.com/lufthansa ... oronavirus [German]
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:43 am

Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:51 am

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Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


Just checking Flightrader right now and don‘t see any A330s nor A340s from LX up in the air. Only their B77Ws and short haul aircraft. Did you see any A340s from LX flying recently (on routes an A330 could have done)?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:15 pm

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Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?

That's not heck a lot of differences in fuel burns as a lot of A.netters are trying to imply, especially with A342/A343.

Remember A343 can still carry more payload with more MTOW and I believe more MZFW

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Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:48 pm

RvA wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


Just checking Flightrader right now and don‘t see any A330s nor A340s from LX up in the air. Only their B77Ws and short haul aircraft. Did you see any A340s from LX flying recently (on routes an A330 could have done)?



All LX A340's are active and can haul more cargo than the A330's. The 330's can't reach for example HKG with a decent cargo load, whereas the 340's can do it easily without any weight restrictions.
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:27 pm

acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


There’s been some talk of some of their older A330s bring retired. Just talk though nothing confirmed. Hopefully the 340s stick around through the second “wave” and we get the chance to fly on it sometime
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:59 pm

777luver wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


There’s been some talk of some of their older A330s bring retired. Just talk though nothing confirmed. Hopefully the 340s stick around through the second “wave” and we get the chance to fly on it sometime


It just doesn't make sense that they would retire an efficient, medium capacity, twin engine widebody, that too which is younger than the A340s.
If they get rid of A330s, what will they use on routes that a 77W is too much capacity for?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:14 pm

acavpics wrote:
777luver wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


There’s been some talk of some of their older A330s bring retired. Just talk though nothing confirmed. Hopefully the 340s stick around through the second “wave” and we get the chance to fly on it sometime


It just doesn't make sense that they would retire an efficient, medium capacity, twin engine widebody, that too which is younger than the A340s.
If they get rid of A330s, what will they use on routes that a 77W is too much capacity for?


It’s not confirmed that would be happening it was just talked about them retiring some older a330s so take it with a grain of salt. They could use 340s in the mean time. They are a good a/c for cargo and range as mentioned before. I do believe they would be getting 787s from LH’s order of the aircraft but now who knows now with corona. There are better knowledgeable people that could answer your question better than I can. And the 340s are not a whole lot older than the 330s let’s be real here. The fuel efficiency isn’t as great of a difference as some believe on here.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:14 pm

acavpics wrote:
777luver wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


There’s been some talk of some of their older A330s bring retired. Just talk though nothing confirmed. Hopefully the 340s stick around through the second “wave” and we get the chance to fly on it sometime


It just doesn't make sense that they would retire an efficient, medium capacity, twin engine widebody, that too which is younger than the A340s.
If they get rid of A330s, what will they use on routes that a 77W is too much capacity for?


LX uses the A340 for exactly that purpose
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:17 pm

LH just needs to keep taking A350s/787s and continue phasing out the 340 entirely. For them and their umbrella of airlines.
Funny. It only took one pandemic for those who argue endlessly about natural selection to stop believing in natural selection.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:18 pm

DALCE wrote:
RvA wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


Just checking Flightrader right now and don‘t see any A330s nor A340s from LX up in the air. Only their B77Ws and short haul aircraft. Did you see any A340s from LX flying recently (on routes an A330 could have done)?



All LX A340's are active and can haul more cargo than the A330's. The 330's can't reach for example HKG with a decent cargo load, whereas the 340's can do it easily without any weight restrictions.


Interesting. A few hours later still so far only B77Ws in the air. Two more long haul flights taking off tonight (GRU/NRT) also both on B777Ws.
Tomorrow I do see 2 A343s (Chicago and New York) but all others seem to be B777Ws and I see 1 A333. Seems like the Boeings are doing most of the heavy lifting right now.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:20 pm

RvA wrote:
DALCE wrote:
RvA wrote:

Just checking Flightrader right now and don‘t see any A330s nor A340s from LX up in the air. Only their B77Ws and short haul aircraft. Did you see any A340s from LX flying recently (on routes an A330 could have done)?



All LX A340's are active and can haul more cargo than the A330's. The 330's can't reach for example HKG with a decent cargo load, whereas the 340's can do it easily without any weight restrictions.


Interesting. A few hours later still so far only B77Ws in the air. Two more long haul flights taking off tonight (GRU/NRT) also both on B777Ws.
Tomorrow I do see 2 A343s (Chicago and New York) but all others seem to be B777Ws and I see 1 A333. Seems like the Boeings are doing most of the heavy lifting right now.


All 5 of LX’ A340s are in service flying to ORD, BOS, EWR, soon DXB, HKG and JNB
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:22 pm

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LH just needs to keep taking A350s/787s and continue phasing out the 340 entirely. For them and their umbrella of airlines.


Why do they “need” to phase out the A340? LH may as well defer deliveries of those jets by a few years
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:08 pm

777luver wrote:
RvA wrote:
DALCE wrote:


All LX A340's are active and can haul more cargo than the A330's. The 330's can't reach for example HKG with a decent cargo load, whereas the 340's can do it easily without any weight restrictions.


Interesting. A few hours later still so far only B77Ws in the air. Two more long haul flights taking off tonight (GRU/NRT) also both on B777Ws.
Tomorrow I do see 2 A343s (Chicago and New York) but all others seem to be B777Ws and I see 1 A333. Seems like the Boeings are doing most of the heavy lifting right now.


All 5 of LX’ A340s are in service flying to ORD, BOS, EWR, soon DXB, HKG and JNB


They have also operated ZRH-LHR recently.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:10 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
777luver wrote:
RvA wrote:

Interesting. A few hours later still so far only B77Ws in the air. Two more long haul flights taking off tonight (GRU/NRT) also both on B777Ws.
Tomorrow I do see 2 A343s (Chicago and New York) but all others seem to be B777Ws and I see 1 A333. Seems like the Boeings are doing most of the heavy lifting right now.


All 5 of LX’ A340s are in service flying to ORD, BOS, EWR, soon DXB, HKG and JNB


They have also operated ZRH-LHR recently.


Forgot about that flight!
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:39 am

LH Group carriers will ground 125 more aircraft during Winter 2020/2021 than originally planned.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/luft ... -industry/

Maybe related heard that OS would only utilize E195 jets and not any Airbus narrowbodies this winter.
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:15 am

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LH just needs to keep taking A350s/787s and continue phasing out the 340 entirely. For them and their umbrella of airlines.

And then run out of money and go bankrupt?

Such a great recipe in this environment where evey penny of cash counts.

acavpics wrote:
777luver wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Why is LX keeping their A330's grounded while flying gas guzzling A340s during the pandemic?


There’s been some talk of some of their older A330s bring retired. Just talk though nothing confirmed. Hopefully the 340s stick around through the second “wave” and we get the chance to fly on it sometime


It just doesn't make sense that they would retire an efficient, medium capacity, twin engine widebody, that too which is younger than the A340s.
If they get rid of A330s, what will they use on routes that a 77W is too much capacity for?

For the very reason stated before and after your post - yes A330 is efficient, but try hauling the tonnage you need over the distance required.

A340 especially 200 and 300s are not that efficient - in fact I've seen figures that claiming they have lower fuel burn than 777-200ER. And they're paid up financially.

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Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:11 am

eamondzhang wrote:
DL717 wrote:
LH just needs to keep taking A350s/787s and continue phasing out the 340 entirely. For them and their umbrella of airlines.

And then run out of money and go bankrupt?

Such a great recipe in this environment where evey penny of cash counts.

acavpics wrote:
777luver wrote:

There’s been some talk of some of their older A330s bring retired. Just talk though nothing confirmed. Hopefully the 340s stick around through the second “wave” and we get the chance to fly on it sometime


It just doesn't make sense that they would retire an efficient, medium capacity, twin engine widebody, that too which is younger than the A340s.
If they get rid of A330s, what will they use on routes that a 77W is too much capacity for?

For the very reason stated before and after your post - yes A330 is efficient, but try hauling the tonnage you need over the distance required.

A340 especially 200 and 300s are not that efficient - in fact I've seen figures that claiming they have lower fuel burn than 777-200ER. And they're paid up financially.

Michael

The fuel burn between the 330/340 is hardly inefficient, the 340 just has the advantage of being able to take more cargo over longer distances....I don’t get why there’s a theme on here that the A340 is such an inefficient airplane...does anyone look at the numbers?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:43 am

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The fuel burn between the 330/340 is hardly inefficient, the 340 just has the advantage of being able to take more cargo over longer distances....I don’t get why there’s a theme on here that the A340 is such an inefficient airplane...does anyone look at the numbers?

Spot on, and people love to pretend A340 (again especially with -300) being such an inefficient plane when being proved wrong multiple times with hard facts.

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Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:52 am

Whats going on with Eurowings A332 & A333? Are they still upgrading Biz Class?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:03 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
777luver wrote:
The fuel burn between the 330/340 is hardly inefficient, the 340 just has the advantage of being able to take more cargo over longer distances....I don’t get why there’s a theme on here that the A340 is such an inefficient airplane...does anyone look at the numbers?

Spot on, and people love to pretend A340 (again especially with -300) being such an inefficient plane when being proved wrong multiple times with hard facts.

Michael

The reason is the A340-500/600 really is a terribly inefficient aircraft when compared to its direct contemporary competition (the 77L/W), especially the A345 which while looks amazing objectively has embarrassedly terrible performance in most applications. Which makes people think the A343 is just as bad when compared to the 77E when it really isn’t.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:06 pm

Polot wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
777luver wrote:
The fuel burn between the 330/340 is hardly inefficient, the 340 just has the advantage of being able to take more cargo over longer distances....I don’t get why there’s a theme on here that the A340 is such an inefficient airplane...does anyone look at the numbers?

Spot on, and people love to pretend A340 (again especially with -300) being such an inefficient plane when being proved wrong multiple times with hard facts.

Michael

The reason is the A340-500/600 really is a terribly inefficient aircraft when compared to its direct contemporary competition (the 77L/W), especially the A345 which while looks amazing objectively has embarrassedly terrible performance in most applications. Which makes people think the A343 is just as bad when compared to the 77E when it really isn’t.


Okay yeah that’s actually a really good point I didn’t think of. So people may just tend to loop them all together into one group. Thanks for bringing that up! Interestingly, there is actually 1 or 2 A345 still in pax service with Azerbaijan Airlines. Would be nice to catch that ride
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 12:47 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
Whats going on with Eurowings A332 & A333? Are they still upgrading Biz Class?


I didn’t think at this point Eurowings has any A330s of their own that operate? They all belong to Brussels Airlines I thought? A while ago when they had all economy A330s flying were those not operated by Sunexpress?
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:43 pm

RvA wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Whats going on with Eurowings A332 & A333? Are they still upgrading Biz Class?


I didn’t think at this point Eurowings has any A330s of their own that operate? They all belong to Brussels Airlines I thought? A while ago when they had all economy A330s flying were those not operated by Sunexpress?

They never had all-economy A330s, even those operated by SunExpress had a "business" class. No lie-flat though, so closer to what others might call premium economy.

There are currently no EW A330 flights planned for winter season 20/21, as far as I know. They might restart in April 21.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:14 pm

mxaxai wrote:
RvA wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
Whats going on with Eurowings A332 & A333? Are they still upgrading Biz Class?


I didn’t think at this point Eurowings has any A330s of their own that operate? They all belong to Brussels Airlines I thought? A while ago when they had all economy A330s flying were those not operated by Sunexpress?

They never had all-economy A330s, even those operated by SunExpress had a "business" class. No lie-flat though, so closer to what others might call premium economy.

There are currently no EW A330 flights planned for winter season 20/21, as far as I know. They might restart in April 21.


Those Sunexpress A330s didn’t they only get business class earlier in the year? I thought I remembered seeing them with barely a premium economy style “business” product but not sure if it was actually sold as J or not. My memory could be (and increasingly often is) wrong though :)
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:56 pm

RvA wrote:
Those Sunexpress A330s didn’t they only get business class earlier in the year? I thought I remembered seeing them with barely a premium economy style “business” product but not sure if it was actually sold as J or not. My memory could be (and increasingly often is) wrong though :)

Yeah it's really more of a premium economy what they had. And yes, the decision to retrofit the entire A330 fleet with lie-flat seats was taken in Feb 2020.
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They sold that as "BEST", foregoing the traditional economy - premium economy - business - first classification.
 
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Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:47 pm

Curious as to why the A340 appears to have been deployed on a number of TATL routes that would normally be A330s, specifically YUL, BOS. There may be others. I am aware the A340-300 was refurbished and sports the newest First and Business Class cabins, but wondering what is going on with the A330, or are the A330s going through heavy maintenance and refurbishments? I know that some of the 77Ws are being used heavily for cargo. Just curious.
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:05 pm

LHA320 wrote:
Final 744, D-ABVY left FRA for TEV today. Ferry flights to the desert will start with D-ABVP to MHV at the end of october. Don't expect LH aircraft going to MHV to return to active service.


Yesterday’s flight Of D-ABVP was cancelled. Turns out that permits were changed and planes (at the moment) can land at Twente airport, but not take off. The airport started legal procedures against this change, to be continued.

Source (in Dutch): https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... te-airport
 
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Re: Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:27 pm

They are using the A340s for the cargo uplift. They can carry more cargo and fly further then the A330. Take this with a grain of salt, I’ve heard somewhere the some of the older A330s may be retired in lieu of the new a/c (787 etc) but who knows now. Those orders will probably be deferred. Remains to be seen how long the A340s will stay but they are in the next Summer 2021 sched however we all know things are ever changing. Hopefully they stay a bit longer, I haven’t flown one yet
 
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Re: Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:27 pm

Also, most the the A330s are stored in AMM
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:48 pm

They started installing this year the new Biz Class with lie flat seats, It looked like the A332's were completed but nothing going on with A333, would the fleet be grounded next year?

Earlier this month ANC/PUJ/MRU were announced and LAS/PHX were pulled from schedule.
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/newsr ... kfurt.html

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Re: Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:48 pm

If I am not mistaken, aren't LX's A343s relatively new compared to say LH's? IIRC several LX A343 were delivered with the new A380-style interior as seen on their A333s.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the A343s kept while older A333s be retired due to the capability of the A343s (cargo capacity, ability to do JNB/GRU).
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Re: Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 5:58 pm

USAirALB wrote:
If I am not mistaken, aren't LX's A343s relatively new compared to say LH's? IIRC several LX A343 were delivered with the new A380-style interior as seen on their A333s.

I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the A343s kept while older A333s be retired due to the capability of the A343s (cargo capacity, ability to do JNB/GRU).


The A343s were first delivered in 2005 I believe. They just completely refurbished them right as the pandemic hit. And Lx is using them just for that, cargo uplift and pax flights. Hopefully they stay longer and we’re able to enjoy them. Still haven’t flown on one
 
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Re: Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:12 pm

777luver wrote:
They are using the A340s for the cargo uplift. They can carry more cargo and fly further then the A330. Take this with a grain of salt, I’ve heard somewhere the some of the older A330s may be retired in lieu of the new a/c (787 etc) but who knows now. Those orders will probably be deferred. Remains to be seen how long the A340s will stay but they are in the next Summer 2021 sched however we all know things are ever changing. Hopefully they stay a bit longer, I haven’t flown one yet

I believe the A340s were specifically kept to serve long routes like PVG, HKG, LAX or JNB. Those are now served with the 77W thanks to high demand (esp. cargo) but initially they were restarted with the A343. They did several full-cargo flights with the A340 (not sure if that's still the case right now).

Also, as you state, the A340 fleet was refurbished very recently (the last one re-entered service in Jan 2020) while the A333 were only supposed to get their cabin update in 2022, so LX can currently offer a consistent product across the 77W and A343 fleets.

It also makes it easier to shuffle around the 77W and A343 to adjust for demand. If they had kept the A333 and stored the A343, there'd be some routes that they'd either have to drop or serve with a very empty 777.
 
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Re: Swiss A340

Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:40 pm

mxaxai wrote:
777luver wrote:
They are using the A340s for the cargo uplift. They can carry more cargo and fly further then the A330. Take this with a grain of salt, I’ve heard somewhere the some of the older A330s may be retired in lieu of the new a/c (787 etc) but who knows now. Those orders will probably be deferred. Remains to be seen how long the A340s will stay but they are in the next Summer 2021 sched however we all know things are ever changing. Hopefully they stay a bit longer, I haven’t flown one yet

I believe the A340s were specifically kept to serve long routes like PVG, HKG, LAX or JNB. Those are now served with the 77W thanks to high demand (esp. cargo) but initially they were restarted with the A343. They did several full-cargo flights with the A340 (not sure if that's still the case right now).

Also, as you state, the A340 fleet was refurbished very recently (the last one re-entered service in Jan 2020) while the A333 were only supposed to get their cabin update in 2022, so LX can currently offer a consistent product across the 77W and A343 fleets.

It also makes it easier to shuffle around the 77W and A343 to adjust for demand. If they had kept the A333 and stored the A343, there'd be some routes that they'd either have to drop or serve with a very empty 777.


I’ve been following the LX A340 flights very closely because as I keep mentioning I’d love to fly on one and it seems right now they are using them on ORD, BOS, soon to be DXB, HKG, until recently YUL and I think JNB. I’d assume these flights are full of cargo and still accept pax
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:28 pm

According to this, five of Lufthansa's 747-400s will be scrapped by a Texas-based company: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/in-den-us ... 0-verkauft

Are these flying to Texas or somewhere else in the states?

The five aircraft have been sold to GE Materials which has a facility in the DFW area. Does anyone know if these 747s are going to fly to somewhere near DFW for scrapping? I can't think of any airport around DFW that has scrapping capabilities?
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 10:42 pm

Ishrion wrote:
According to this, five of Lufthansa's 747-400s will be scrapped by a Texas-based company: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/in-den-us ... 0-verkauft

Are these flying to Texas or somewhere else in the states?

The five aircraft have been sold to GE Materials which has a facility in the DFW area. Does anyone know if these 747s are going to fly to somewhere near DFW for scrapping? I can't think of any airport around DFW that has scrapping capabilities?

Interesting, these are the five 747 that Lufthansa wanted to sell according to their Q2 2020 financial results.
Post #620 in this thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438313&start=600#p22475333 says that D-ABVP will be ferried to MHV.
I assume that it will be parted out there, and probably also the other four, once the they are allowed to take off from ENS, see post #648 viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438313&start=600#p22484085
 
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Re: Lufthansa Group Fleet Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:46 am

Ishrion wrote:
According to this, five of Lufthansa's 747-400s will be scrapped by a Texas-based company: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/in-den-us ... 0-verkauft

Are these flying to Texas or somewhere else in the states?

The five aircraft have been sold to GE Materials which has a facility in the DFW area. Does anyone know if these 747s are going to fly to somewhere near DFW for scrapping? I can't think of any airport around DFW that has scrapping capabilities?


These 744's are not going anywhere, due to EHTW safety permits Source: https://www.aviation24.be/airports/twen ... lands/amp/

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