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Delta350
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Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:46 am

Happy New Year. Since Delta will be getting some narrow bodies this year, here’s a place to discuss the upcoming jets!!
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:22 pm

Does anyone have an idea when the first couple of A321Neos will be built and test fly?
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:28 am

Delta350 wrote:
Does anyone have an idea when the first couple of A321Neos will be built and test fly?

No word that I know of on production/first flights. Apparently the first DL plane is still scheduled to be delivered this coming November. Hopefully no more NEO delays, but it's perhaps not out of the question DL Neo deliveries could slip even more.

Good info from the "DL A321neo delivery. When?" thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438547

Still a few more DL A321"ceo" planes left to be delivered as well.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:45 am

tnair1974 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Does anyone have an idea when the first couple of A321Neos will be built and test fly?

No word that I know of on production/first flights. Apparently the first DL plane is still scheduled to be delivered this coming November. Hopefully no more NEO delays, but it's perhaps not out of the question DL Neo deliveries could slip even more.

Good info from the "DL A321neo delivery. When?" thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438547

Still a few more DL A321"ceo" planes left to be delivered as well.

Oh ok thank you
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:44 am

When is the A220 scheduled to fly ATL-SEA?
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:53 am

Delta350 wrote:
When is the A220 scheduled to fly ATL-SEA?

It's been replaced by the 738.

In other news DL will take delivery of 23 A220's this year. Ship 8129 was delivered in January. Ship 8130 will be delivered at the end of February making DL the largest A220 operator in the world. Ships 8131-8145 will be delivered throughout the rest of the year meaning all 45 A221's on order will be on property. The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:58 am

cessna2 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
When is the A220 scheduled to fly ATL-SEA?

It's been replaced by the 738.

In other news DL will take delivery of 23 A220's this year. Ship 8129 was delivered in January. Ship 8130 will be delivered at the end of February making DL the largest A220 operator in the world. Ships 8131-8145 will be delivered throughout the rest of the year meaning all 45 A221's on order will be on property. The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.

Any idea what routes the A223s will be scheduled for?
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:26 am

Is Delta still bound to the distance agreement on the A220 they had with Bombardier?
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:43 am

cessna2 wrote:
In other news DL will take delivery of 23 A220's this year. Ship 8129 was delivered in January. Ship 8130 will be delivered at the end of February making DL the largest A220 operator in the world. Ships 8131-8145 will be delivered throughout the rest of the year meaning all 45 A221's on order will be on property. The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


That's up from the purchase commitment of 12 A220-100 and six -300s outlined in the Feb. '19 annual report.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:17 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
In other news DL will take delivery of 23 A220's this year. Ship 8129 was delivered in January. Ship 8130 will be delivered at the end of February making DL the largest A220 operator in the world. Ships 8131-8145 will be delivered throughout the rest of the year meaning all 45 A221's on order will be on property. The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


That's up from the purchase commitment of 12 A220-100 and six -300s outlined in the Feb. '19 annual report.

Airbus Canada is running ahead of schedule.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:46 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Is Delta still bound to the distance agreement on the A220 they had with Bombardier?

Nope.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:14 am

cessna2 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
When is the A220 scheduled to fly ATL-SEA?

It's been replaced by the 738.

In other news DL will take delivery of 23 A220's this year. Ship 8129 was delivered in January. Ship 8130 will be delivered at the end of February making DL the largest A220 operator in the world. Ships 8131-8145 will be delivered throughout the rest of the year meaning all 45 A221's on order will be on property. The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


The DL A223 is going to be one nice plane to look at and ride on.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:28 am

cessna2 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
When is the A220 scheduled to fly ATL-SEA?

It's been replaced by the 738.

In other news DL will take delivery of 23 A220's this year. Ship 8129 was delivered in January. Ship 8130 will be delivered at the end of February making DL the largest A220 operator in the world. Ships 8131-8145 will be delivered throughout the rest of the year meaning all 45 A221's on order will be on property. The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.

Thanks for the info
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:38 am

On the subject of another Delta narrowbody, how long are the 717s scheduled to be in the fleet before they are retired?
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:43 am

SkyVoice wrote:
On the subject of another Delta narrowbody, how long are the 717s scheduled to be in the fleet before they are retired?

And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:10 am

NateGreat wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
On the subject of another Delta narrowbody, how long are the 717s scheduled to be in the fleet before they are retired?

And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.

Until they have 88 on order we can be sure at the very least some of the 717 fleet is being kept around unless they want to ground 76 seat rjs.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 8:54 am

The 717s will be around a long time. There were specific reasons to replace the older T-tails (88s and 90s) that don't apply to the 717s. DL doesn't remove perfectly-good aircraft from service unless there is a specific reason to. Such a reason existed with the MD88s and 90s, as more-thoroughly-discussed on several threads here.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:50 am

NateGreat wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
On the subject of another Delta narrowbody, how long are the 717s scheduled to be in the fleet before they are retired?

And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.


The 717s will be in the fleet to 2025, and maybe beyond.

www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta/123994 ... 030-a.html
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:28 am

1 A321 NEO expected this year. Does anyone if it will come from Mobile,AL or Hamburg, Germany
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:26 pm

cessna2 wrote:
The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


Is the A223 still on schedule to be delivered in August, and what routes will those be deployed to?
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:31 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


Is the A223 still on schedule to be delivered in August, and what routes will those be deployed to?

I heard they were supposed to replace the A319s.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:21 am

NateGreat wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


Is the A223 still on schedule to be delivered in August, and what routes will those be deployed to?

I heard they were supposed to replace the A319s.

IIRC, DL's A319s may not start to exit the fleet for perhaps another decade (perhaps barring something like a big oil spike) as they still have a decent amount of life left and will continue to receive good maintenance support from Airbus. All DL A319s have new interiors.

Even the 717s, which are showing up more on short flights, won't start retiring for a while yet (even talk of a modest cabin upgrade).

But perhaps A220s will eventually enable A319s in their twilight to be relegated to shorter routes. A220s will likely be mainly used on longer flights where their superior fuel efficiency can best be maximized.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:42 am

NateGreat wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
On the subject of another Delta narrowbody, how long are the 717s scheduled to be in the fleet before they are retired?

And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.

Delta must keep 88 100 seaters (either C100s, 717s, E90s) in the fleet or they have to park, IIRC, 70 or so 76 seaters.

So Delta doesn't have the order book to replace the 717 currently.

NateGreat wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
The first A223 will be delivered in August, ship 8302. Followed by 8303-8306. Ship 8301 which was damaged during the hanger foam mishap will be delivered in December after work is done to repair it.


Is the A223 still on schedule to be delivered in August, and what routes will those be deployed to?

I heard they were supposed to replace the A319s.

no plan of any 319s leaving any time soon.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:48 am

deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
On the subject of another Delta narrowbody, how long are the 717s scheduled to be in the fleet before they are retired?

And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.

Delta must keep 88 100 seaters (either C100s, 717s, E90s) in the fleet or they have to park, IIRC, 70 or so 76 seaters.

So Delta doesn't have the order book to replace the 717 currently.


Don’t they have more options on the A220’s? IIRC, wasn’t the original order for 75 with options for 50? They’ve exercised 20 so far, why not do so on the remaining 30?
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:04 am

BNAMealer wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.

Delta must keep 88 100 seaters (either C100s, 717s, E90s) in the fleet or they have to park, IIRC, 70 or so 76 seaters.

So Delta doesn't have the order book to replace the 717 currently.


Don’t they have more options on the A220’s? IIRC, wasn’t the original order for 75 with options for 50? They’ve exercised 20 so far, why not do so on the remaining 30?

I'm not sure what the options look like

but even an order of 30 more CS1s will put them short of completely being able to retire the 717 and keep all the 76 seaters.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:22 am

BNAMealer wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
And will additional A221s replace them? There’s not really anything else that seats around 110 pax.

Delta must keep 88 100 seaters (either C100s, 717s, E90s) in the fleet or they have to park, IIRC, 70 or so 76 seaters.

So Delta doesn't have the order book to replace the 717 currently.


Don’t they have more options on the A220’s? IIRC, wasn’t the original order for 75 with options for 50? They’ve exercised 20 so far, why not do so on the remaining 30?

They haven’t utilized the 50 options yet. The 20 additional A220’s was a top up order. So they still have 50 options they can confirm in the future.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:43 pm

cessna2 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
Delta must keep 88 100 seaters (either C100s, 717s, E90s) in the fleet or they have to park, IIRC, 70 or so 76 seaters.

So Delta doesn't have the order book to replace the 717 currently.


Don’t they have more options on the A220’s? IIRC, wasn’t the original order for 75 with options for 50? They’ve exercised 20 so far, why not do so on the remaining 30?

They haven’t utilized the 50 options yet. The 20 additional A220’s was a top up order. So they still have 50 options they can confirm in the future.


They should exercise those 50 options and order another 15 to replace the A319
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:03 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:

Don’t they have more options on the A220’s? IIRC, wasn’t the original order for 75 with options for 50? They’ve exercised 20 so far, why not do so on the remaining 30?

They haven’t utilized the 50 options yet. The 20 additional A220’s was a top up order. So they still have 50 options they can confirm in the future.


They should exercise those 50 options and order another 15 to replace the A319


What do you think the delivery dates on an extra fifty A220s would be? The purchase commitments for the three orders totaling 95 already go to the end of 2023.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:05 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
cessna2 wrote:
They haven’t utilized the 50 options yet. The 20 additional A220’s was a top up order. So they still have 50 options they can confirm in the future.


They should exercise those 50 options and order another 15 to replace the A319


What do you think the delivery dates on an extra fifty A220s would be? The purchase commitments for the three orders totaling 95 already go to the end of 2023.


I don't know to be honest. It wouldn't need to be imminent, but the A223 would be a big upgrade over the A319, and I'm sure DL (if they own them) could sell them on the second hand market for a good value.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:53 pm

Anybody know how many of the youngest DL A320s have yet to receive the Airbus life extension? IIRC, a few A320s were getting the extension last autumn.

Also, what about the A319s per the life extension? All are relatively middle-age. Unlike the A320s, the oldest and newest A319s have a relatively small age gap.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:13 am

BNAMealer wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:

They should exercise those 50 options and order another 15 to replace the A319


What do you think the delivery dates on an extra fifty A220s would be? The purchase commitments for the three orders totaling 95 already go to the end of 2023.


I don't know to be honest. It wouldn't need to be imminent, but the A223 would be a big upgrade over the A319, and I'm sure DL (if they own them) could sell them on the second hand market for a good value.


There are just way more urgent fleet replacement and other investment needs - see 757-200, 767-300ER, A320. The operating economics of A319s aren't great (although cheaper fuel is helping) but there's a common pilot group and parts. I expect DL will keep them between 25 years (current avg age: 18.1 years) and end of life.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:37 am

There's some misleading information within this thread. The small narrow body scope clause enabled DL to grow its fleet of 76-seat regional jets by adding a specific number of small narrowbodies and maintaining specific ratios. While DL sought additional relief cira 2015 with its E90 order, it did not get it and ultimately, the now-A220 order was placed without further relief.

Union contracts are arbitrated, and generally arbitrators look at intention when making their rulings. The intention of the small narrowbody clause was to grow the mainline DL fleet, and bring flying that had been outsourced back in house. The A220 -- which wasn't available when the clause was written eight years ago -- reasonably meets the criteria of a small narrowbody. If DL maintains the criteria (physical # and ratios) set forth in the contract, then I would believe it satisfies the intention of the clause. There's absolutely no kill switch that says something like 'only the 717 and 319 initially agreed to by the ALPA and Delta satisfy this clause' what would lead to believe otherwise.

I realize deltal1011man feels that the language allows only for the 717 and 319, but that's his opinion, and not a fact, and the above is my opinion. I'd argue that as long as DL met its ratios, it could phase out the small narrowbody entirely, since the entire purpose of the clause was to in-source regional flying back to mainline, but that's much more questionable. What I don't question, is that if DL lawyers thought there would be any problem in replacing the 717 with the A220, it would've ordered the aircraft without some type of modification to the verbiage.

If recovery from the coronovirus is slow -- and early projections indicate as such, even though the cutting hasn't really even begun -- I would expect that some of the 717 are returned to Boeing and Southwest as they come off lease. DL intends to keep these planes for a decade, transitioning to "flex" capacity in later years. I just can't see DL committing millions to refurbishing each aircraft at this moment in time...
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:34 am

never mind. Its not worth it.
Here is the words from the PWA for those that want to see it. I'm not dealing with trolls like this anymore.

"If the Company establishes a fleet of new small narrowbody aircraft, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft may increase on a one 76-seat aircraft for each one and one quarter new small narrowbody aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer) up to a total of 223 76-seat aircraft."

“New small narrowbody aircraft” means a B-717 or an A-319 aircraft that is not in the Company’s fleet as of July 1, 2012.

http://rsp.homestead.com/files/PWA.PDF
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:59 am

deltal1011man wrote:
never mind. Its not worth it.
Here is the words from the PWA for those that want to see it. I'm not dealing with trolls like this anymore.

"If the Company establishes a fleet of new small narrowbody aircraft, the number of permitted 76-seat aircraft may increase on a one 76-seat aircraft for each one and one quarter new small narrowbody aircraft (1:1.25) ratio (rounded to the closest integer) up to a total of 223 76-seat aircraft."

“New small narrowbody aircraft” means a B-717 or an A-319 aircraft that is not in the Company’s fleet as of July 1, 2012.

http://rsp.homestead.com/files/PWA.PDF


I gave an explanation as to how union contracts and the arbitration process works, and noted that in my opinion DL would not be in breach of its CBA should it choose to phase out the 717 in favor of the A220. I have a pair of graduate degrees, several certificates/certifications and crunched the numbers on a negotitating committee for a major airline, back in the late 2000s. The troll is a person who last listed their occupation as a Starbucks barista, has no higher education and no revelant work experience, yet insists his opinions are facts. That person also has a history of being frequently wrong on many topics he's adamant about.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:10 am

actually edit and delete again. Sorry mods.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:26 am

Volotea has returned 3 of their 717s EI-FBJ, EI-EXJ and EI-EXA back to their lessor and they’re currently stored in Victorville, CA.

In the past people have said that Delta may be interested in picking up more 717s, but now that they have the A220 I’m not sure how likely that could be, but it’s something worth mentioning as if Hawaiian or Qantas don’t pick them up they may be scrapped for parts which Delta TechOps may want anyways as inventory.
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:43 pm

Speaking of the 717 there were 3 N975AT, N969AT and N987AT stored at SBD, and N987AT is scheduled to fly back from SBD to Atlanta today presumably to re-enter service.
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:23 pm

Ed Bastian announced via internal memo parking 40% of total airline capacity for a duration of months, up to 300 aircraft, as well as deferring new deliveries. No further specifics to what airplane or how soon.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:53 pm

DL767STR wrote:
Volotea has returned 3 of their 717s EI-FBJ, EI-EXJ and EI-EXA back to their lessor and they’re currently stored in Victorville, CA.

In the past people have said that Delta may be interested in picking up more 717s, but now that they have the A220 I’m not sure how likely that could be, but it’s something worth mentioning as if Hawaiian or Qantas don’t pick them up they may be scrapped for parts which Delta TechOps may want anyways as inventory.


I personally think that there won't be any airlines that would enter them into service, it will take months for airlines to recover from the Corona-virus so I suspect little interest.
Furthermore, Qantas announced they where looking into a replacement for their narrowbody's and Delta has enough A220's on order + options.
As you mentioned the only party interested would be TechOps for parts.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:02 am

DL767STR wrote:
Speaking of the 717 there were 3 N975AT, N969AT and N987AT stored at SBD, and N987AT is scheduled to fly back from SBD to Atlanta today presumably to re-enter service.


Despite it being scheduled to leave SBD on FR24 today it didn’t happen, and for obvious reasons with their latest announcement about parking more active planes.
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:59 am

DL767STR wrote:
Volotea has returned 3 of their 717s EI-FBJ, EI-EXJ and EI-EXA back to their lessor and they’re currently stored in Victorville, CA.

In the past people have said that Delta may be interested in picking up more 717s, but now that they have the A220 I’m not sure how likely that could be, but it’s something worth mentioning as if Hawaiian or Qantas don’t pick them up they may be scrapped for parts which Delta TechOps may want anyways as inventory.


It looks like many companies are betting that the fallout from the hysteria will be long-term, so I doubt DL will be in the market for additional 717. I continue to think that some of these aircraft will be returned as they come off lease -- absolutely no sense in investing millions of dollars in refurbishing each aircraft, when they weren't expected to stick around beyond the decade anyway.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:38 am

So MD88 fleet is gone immediately ?
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:02 am

danipawa wrote:
So MD88 fleet is gone immediately ?


No.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:31 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
danipawa wrote:
So MD88 fleet is gone immediately ?


No.

This is my opinion. Delta will keep operating the MD-88 aircraft until the time is up on them until retiring them. Delta will park or temporarily store other newer aircraft, such as the A319 and A320 aircraft so that they can utilize them for a longer period of time. Delta flies their aircraft until the wings are about to fall off. Example Delta flew their 747-451 aircraft until they needed to preform a fuel inverting modification and other work at the end of 2017. United retired theirs for the same reason at about the same time. About seven of United's were sold and are still flying. Maybe Delta's 747s were close to needing a D-Check and are still in storage if not broken up. :old:
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:18 am

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This is my opinion. Delta will keep operating the MD-88 aircraft until the time is up on them until retiring them. Delta will park or temporarily store other newer aircraft, such as the A319 and A320 aircraft so that they can utilize them for a longer period of time. Delta flies their aircraft until the wings are about to fall off. Example Delta flew their 747-451 aircraft until they needed to preform a fuel inverting modification and other work at the end of 2017. United retired theirs for the same reason at about the same time. About seven of United's were sold and are still flying. Maybe Delta's 747s were close to needing a D-Check and are still in storage if not broken up. :old:


These are desperate times, and DL's fleet strategy will be impacted by a mixture of cost savings and cash conservation. Once the hysteria dies down and things stabilize somewhat, I expect that retirement of the MD-88 and MD-90 (previously scheduled for retirement by year's end, and 2022, respectively) will be accelerated - simply because it's too expensive to keep a bunch of aircraft around that you know you won't need - but we'll likely see a variety of other aircraft parked, likely influenced by maintenance schedules. Those aircraft will likely return to service as economic conditions dictate, or when older 320, 757 and 763 reach the end of their natural service life (and that's coming quickly --- a 320, four 757 and six 763 are turning 30-years-old this year). I also believe some 717 may be returned to their lessor.

Of course, that could change if the economy totally collapses.
 
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:53 pm

The parking plan will be a mixture of types we have been told. Yes, the MD88/90 fleet will likely keep flying in some form until the end of this year for the 88 and a while longer for the 90. Some could be parked early. Other fleet types if coming up for heavy checks will be temp parked. The company has suspended all heavy checks and outsourced mid checks to conserve cash. In house C check work in ATL and MSP will go forward with zero overtime allowed.

We were told new parts purchasing for the short term will be on hold. We will work out of the Delta in stock parts only. That goes for airframe and engines. With 300 planes parked there is likely a solution for a given part in the system. Could be a parts rob, engine swap, or airplane swap. The Engine shops will slow to a crawl doing mostly customer work when they authorize part purchase. I expect lots of engine swaps among the parked fleet and the operation fleet.

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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:32 pm

danipawa wrote:
So MD88 fleet is gone immediately ?

That's some serious wishful thinking.
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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:47 pm

I know American announced that they will rid the 767s by the end of May this year, while the 757s will be gone by 2021 at some point. I know Delta or United won't likely follow this route, but there is any chance that they will accelerate the retirement of maybe a few of them since demand is getting drastically impacted? (Disregard my comment if this has been ask before).
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Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:52 pm

Narfish641 wrote:
I know American announced that they will rid the 767s by the end of May this year, while the 757s will be gone by 2021 at some point. I know Delta or United won't likely follow this route, but there is any chance that they will accelerate the retirement of maybe a few of them since demand is getting drastically impacted? (Disregard my comment if this has been ask before).

DL will retire something as they mentioned they are parking some aircraft (don’t think exact details provided other than 300 aircraft appear to be involved). UA may not have announced retirements yet, but I am sure they are feeling the pinch as well.


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Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:21 pm

chepos wrote:
Narfish641 wrote:
I know American announced that they will rid the 767s by the end of May this year, while the 757s will be gone by 2021 at some point. I know Delta or United won't likely follow this route, but there is any chance that they will accelerate the retirement of maybe a few of them since demand is getting drastically impacted? (Disregard my comment if this has been ask before).

DL will retire something as they mentioned they are parking some aircraft (don’t think exact details provided other than 300 aircraft appear to be involved). UA may not have announced retirements yet, but I am sure they are feeling the pinch as well.


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Parking doesn’t mean retire. Could eventually lead to a fleet retirement, but for now their guidance is that the fleet changes are temporary.
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