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Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:55 am

:o . What will the plane be doing for 1 day on the ground in Syria? Maybe they are planning a tag to Tehran? :stirthepot:

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... arch-2020/

Conviasa in March 2020 plans to resume service to Syria, as the airline’s website opened bookings for Caracas – Damascus route. From Caracas, service operates once weekly from 02MAR20 to 30MAR20, with Airbus A340 aircraft. The airline last served this route until August 2012.

V07002 CCS1600 – 1030+1DAM 340 1
V07003 DAM1030 – 1930CCS 340 3


No politics allowed in the aviation forum :lol:
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:14 am

I read is as just 24 hours and not 48? It leave CCS 16.00 on day one, arrives DAM 10.30 day 2, leaves 10.30 day 3?
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:49 am

With the A340-200?
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:57 am

KFTG wrote:
With the A340-200?


Yes
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:14 am

Why does this route exist?
 
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Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:52 am

hic787 wrote:
Why does this route exist?


Like any other route in the world:

1) because there are enough people and cargo that need to go between those two places

And/or

2) some administration wants the route to be served even if there isn’t enough of 1) above (see government-subsidised routes in the US or the EU)
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:58 am

hope that no rule will be breached by saying that the Syrian/Venezuelan community is an important one (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Venezuelans). Tareck Zaidan El Aissami Maddah, a man of Syrian/Lebanese descent, has even been VP
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:05 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
No politics allowed in the aviation forum :lol:


Given this is a purely political route, this is going to be hard then...

I'm guessing lots of weapons will be carried, likely drugs too.
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:18 pm

The main business for this route would be for the transportation of sensitive "goods" between the regimes of Venezuela, Syria and Iran.
Also for the smuggling of Venezuelan gold reserves to friendly nation for safekeeping purposes like they have done before with Turkey.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:43 pm

hic787 wrote:
Why does this route exist?


Once weekly for 4 weeks implies that there are some people or cargo that need to be transported. It is possible that there is some illicit cargo to be transported. It isn’t unheard of for significant amounts of cash or weapons to be smuggled on a flight like this and avoid the outside world seeing.

Here is an article regarding past flights

https://www.foxnews.com/us/exclusive-ve ... a-and-iran

In the past flights between Syria and Venezuela were suspected to be carrying Uranium from deposits in Venezuela on their way to Iran.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:53 pm

Conviasa is also returning to Buenos Aires EZE, supposedly on Feb 6th. The A340-200 has been in Tehran since July, supposedly for a major overhaul. The chavista regime apparatchik that "runs" the airline has been tweeting about it but the flight/s are not open for sale and no schedules have been published.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:13 pm

A342 YV1004 was in the air yesterday, as per https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/yv1004
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:03 pm

Would love to see a trip report for this route and the Iran flight
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:04 pm

We almost had a route from the UK to Caracas. Happily that isn't going to happen anymore.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:06 pm

Francoflier wrote:
I'm guessing lots of weapons will be carried, likely drugs too.

...and toilet paper.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstal ... -colombia/
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:20 pm

Are there enough "wealthy" citizens of either country to justify this? Sounds crazy to me. A case of misery loving company?
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:33 pm

stl07 wrote:
Would love to see a trip report for this route and the Iran flight


There is a trip report from 15 years ago when Conviasa previously flew the route

viewtopic.php?t=966135
 
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:04 am

concordeforever wrote:
I read is as just 24 hours and not 48? It leave CCS 16.00 on day one, arrives DAM 10.30 day 2, leaves 10.30 day 3?


My guess would be crew rest. Cheaper to park an aircraft in DAM for 24 hours than 12ish crew in a hotel for a week.
 
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We almost had a route from the UK to Caracas. Happily that isn't going to happen anymore.

Why “happily”?
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Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:47 am

Why all the superstition? Can't Syrian vacationers go to Venezuela for some R&R or Venezuelan vacationers go to Syria for some R&R? :duck:
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:23 pm

This is a pure political route, you can speculate why this so-called Aeroterror route is initiated.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:40 pm

Is it open for mileage redemption yet?
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:34 pm

Oh, I do wish the schedule called for at least a twice-weekly frequency, with a tag-on to Tehran, so that one could both do Damascus and Tehran in one go.
Now, the icing on the cake would be if Conviasa could wet-lease a CU IL-96 specifically for the route..... :-) :-)
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:08 pm

So I assume this flight avoids European airspace so there is no possibility for an intercept and escort to a military base to see what is actually on these flights ?

Would be an interesting inspection, but do you choose the westbound or eastbound flight ? Decisions, decisions :scratchchin:
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:32 pm

RvA wrote:
Is it open for mileage redemption yet?


It takes a special kind of "achievement" to earn a seat on one of these flights. The kind that prevents you from travelling on most other airlines. No passport checks for this flight, in the article it says arrives and departs from a separate area to regular flights.
 
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jupiter2 wrote:
So I assume this flight avoids European airspace so there is no possibility for an intercept and escort to a military base to see what is actually on these flights ?

Would be an interesting inspection, but do you choose the westbound or eastbound flight ? Decisions, decisions :scratchchin:

I think you'd be disappointed if you looked at what was in the cargo most days. I'm not sure it's fair to say it'll avoid European airspace, I think it went over Spain most days last time it operated. Pretty hefty detour to go via Morocco, Algeria etc. Anyway like I say, this is for politicians, "advisors", academics, school bands and sports teams. Pretty sure there are rules about not putting military payloads on civilian flights; I can't say for Venezuela but Iran are pretty serious about that kind of thing. Why would you smuggle dangerous goods on a passenger flight when you've got Il-76s that are way less visible. All the "Aero Terror" stories are on Fox News, say no more.
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:27 pm

cedarjet wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:
So I assume this flight avoids European airspace so there is no possibility for an intercept and escort to a military base to see what is actually on these flights ?

Would be an interesting inspection, but do you choose the westbound or eastbound flight ? Decisions, decisions :scratchchin:

I think you'd be disappointed if you looked at what was in the cargo most days. I'm not sure it's fair to say it'll avoid European airspace, I think it went over Spain most days last time it operated. Pretty hefty detour to go via Morocco, Algeria etc. Anyway like I say, this is for politicians, "advisors", academics, school bands and sports teams. Pretty sure there are rules about not putting military payloads on civilian flights; I can't say for Venezuela but Iran are pretty serious about that kind of thing. Why would you smuggle dangerous goods on a passenger flight when you've got Il-76s that are way less visible. All the "Aero Terror" stories are on Fox News, say no more.


School bands and sports teams... Really? Are you aware of the depth of the crisis in Venezuela? 90% of the population survives on a few dollars a month. Some folks only send their kids to school if they can get fed. So it is safe to say that schools bands are a thing of the past there... Sports teams... to play where? In Syria? Academics? Syria (#2) and Venezuela (#1) are the largest migration crisis world wide right now. Please... Are you serious?

Rules? They have NO rules on both ends of this route. If rules were to be followed, both rulers and their governments would have long been gone. Shipping some illegal cargo on a passenger flight is nothing to make their noses turn up for these individuals.

This flight makes no commercial sense any way you look at it. What is it needed for? My guess is a good as yours as to what obscure interests it serves. But you can be sure that nothing good or beneficial for the people of Venezuela or Syria will be carried on those flights.
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:41 am

cedarjet wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:
So I assume this flight avoids European airspace so there is no possibility for an intercept and escort to a military base to see what is actually on these flights ?

Would be an interesting inspection, but do you choose the westbound or eastbound flight ? Decisions, decisions :scratchchin:

I think you'd be disappointed if you looked at what was in the cargo most days. I'm not sure it's fair to say it'll avoid European airspace, I think it went over Spain most days last time it operated. Pretty hefty detour to go via Morocco, Algeria etc. Anyway like I say, this is for politicians, "advisors", academics, school bands and sports teams. Pretty sure there are rules about not putting military payloads on civilian flights; I can't say for Venezuela but Iran are pretty serious about that kind of thing. Why would you smuggle dangerous goods on a passenger flight when you've got Il-76s that are way less visible. All the "Aero Terror" stories are on Fox News, say no more.


Well a quick look at Great Circle Mapper shows the optimum route passing just south of Spain, skirting south of Italy and just passing over the Greek Islands. The routing has it over the northern most tips of Algeria and Tunisia and would you believe Morocco :roll:

As for the rest of what you claim, you believe what you want, but for this route to be in support of passenger demand and cultural ties between a country that is basically broke and one that has been decimated by civil war for years, is far more fanciful they believing it is in place for less than goodwill measures. If you can come up with a more plausible reason that cultural and academic reasons, I'm all ears, otherwise I'm sticking to the more sinister demands and links between Venezuela, Syria and Iran. If you really believe that weapons aren't being shipped on regular scheduled flight, either declared, or not declared, especially in certain areas of the world that maybe bend the rules every now and then for a fist full of dollars, or because the man telling you too has a gun, I've got a bridge to sell you, really cheap too.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:52 am

cedarjet wrote:
sevenair wrote:
We almost had a route from the UK to Caracas. Happily that isn't going to happen anymore.

Why “happily”?


Because we are not on a path to becoming the Venezuela of Europe which could have very easily become a reality.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:47 am

Dutchy wrote:
This is a pure political route, you can speculate why this so-called Aeroterror route is initiated.


There is actually quite a large Syrian population in Venezuela, and are the largest immigrant group of Arabic descent in Venezuela.
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:22 am

This route is easily explained: these regimes have an "anti-imperialism" slogan, they will be moving "goods" between them using this flight as well as people/personel... as well as stating that they can do what they want and "merica" nd its friends can't do nothing about it.... regarding the large syrian lebanese pop in Vnzla, Nah.... most of them fled already to Brazil, Panama, Colombia, US and so on...
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:36 pm

Flights show up on the conviasa.aero website, but are not bookable. Anyone have any visbility into this?
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:31 pm

mia wrote:
Flights show up on the conviasa.aero website, but are not bookable. Anyone have any visbility into this?


It isn't a bookable flight, because it has another reason then transporting the many tourist between Venezuela an Syria?
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:08 pm

It allows for discreet connections to Teheran... for passengers and cargo.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:10 pm

dcajet wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
jupiter2 wrote:
So I assume this flight avoids European airspace so there is no possibility for an intercept and escort to a military base to see what is actually on these flights ?

Would be an interesting inspection, but do you choose the westbound or eastbound flight ? Decisions, decisions :scratchchin:

I think you'd be disappointed if you looked at what was in the cargo most days. I'm not sure it's fair to say it'll avoid European airspace, I think it went over Spain most days last time it operated. Pretty hefty detour to go via Morocco, Algeria etc. Anyway like I say, this is for politicians, "advisors", academics, school bands and sports teams. Pretty sure there are rules about not putting military payloads on civilian flights; I can't say for Venezuela but Iran are pretty serious about that kind of thing. Why would you smuggle dangerous goods on a passenger flight when you've got Il-76s that are way less visible. All the "Aero Terror" stories are on Fox News, say no more.


School bands and sports teams... Really? Are you aware of the depth of the crisis in Venezuela? 90% of the population survives on a few dollars a month. Some folks only send their kids to school if they can get fed. So it is safe to say that schools bands are a thing of the past there... Sports teams... to play where? In Syria? Academics? Syria (#2) and Venezuela (#1) are the largest migration crisis world wide right now. Please... Are you serious?

Rules? They have NO rules on both ends of this route. If rules were to be followed, both rulers and their governments would have long been gone. Shipping some illegal cargo on a passenger flight is nothing to make their noses turn up for these individuals.

This flight makes no commercial sense any way you look at it. What is it needed for? My guess is a good as yours as to what obscure interests it serves. But you can be sure that nothing good or beneficial for the people of Venezuela or Syria will be carried on those flights.

Yeah, I think you’re missing my point, I’m not saying the demand for schools to go on orchestra tours of Venezuela exists but there is an urge by these governments to appear like everything is normal and they have fraternal nations around the world so they’ll drum up sports tours and trade missions and exchange students etc. If you’d been to Tehran you’d see the Iranians run a professional operation and aren’t going to put loads of explosives in the belly of an airliner with civilians aboard. That’s what Il-76s are for. As for the rest of your post, 90% of Venezuelans have been living on a few dollars a day for decades, why do you think they elected Chavez, Maduro et al?
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:14 pm

hic787 wrote:
Why does this route exist?


Surely you cannot be serious.

It is the only way to get from South American ally to the Middle Eastern ally without touching any land in between on a plane that you can at least be sure will never even chance straying into America or an American friendly area.

$20 says they would ditch into the Med or land in Libya instead of Malta for example...

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Also, if you're anyone that America doesn't like and needs to get to South America and want absolutely no chance of flying over America or even the risk of landing in America or Europe from an Emergency like on Aeroflot...you literally have no other choice.

Hell, many people can't fly on any first world airplane because America would probably reject the overflight.

It sounds like a hive of scum and villainy on the flight, and it would be crazy to see who is sitting up front in Business Class...
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:17 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Why all the superstition? Can't Syrian vacationers go to Venezuela for some R&R or Venezuelan vacationers go to Syria for some R&R? :duck:



Potentially vacationing healthy, strong, buzzcut males between the age of 18 and 35? Seems legit.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:18 pm

cedarjet wrote:
90% of Venezuelans have been living on a few dollars a day for decades, why do you think they elected Chavez, Maduro et al?


Please forgive me but I just do not wish to engage in a discussion given that we are on polar opposites. And it would be deleted anyway.

Just two things:

1. Nobody elected Maduro: he and his cronies have reached power through fraud of one kind or the other since 2013, when Chavez passed away.

2. You are totally wrong on the Venezuela poverty figures pre-Chavez and pre-Maduro. Venezuela was the richest country in South America until a few years into Chavez. The middle class has been obliterated (and it was huge). Now 90%+ of the country lives in poverty and the rest are folks that somehow the regime has made rich (boliburgueses) or profit from the dictatorship. Those who could, have left the country. Venezuela is now the poorest country in the continent and the most dangerous in the world.
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:09 am

cedarjet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
I think you'd be disappointed if you looked at what was in the cargo most days. I'm not sure it's fair to say it'll avoid European airspace, I think it went over Spain most days last time it operated. Pretty hefty detour to go via Morocco, Algeria etc. Anyway like I say, this is for politicians, "advisors", academics, school bands and sports teams. Pretty sure there are rules about not putting military payloads on civilian flights; I can't say for Venezuela but Iran are pretty serious about that kind of thing. Why would you smuggle dangerous goods on a passenger flight when you've got Il-76s that are way less visible. All the "Aero Terror" stories are on Fox News, say no more.


School bands and sports teams... Really? Are you aware of the depth of the crisis in Venezuela? 90% of the population survives on a few dollars a month. Some folks only send their kids to school if they can get fed. So it is safe to say that schools bands are a thing of the past there... Sports teams... to play where? In Syria? Academics? Syria (#2) and Venezuela (#1) are the largest migration crisis world wide right now. Please... Are you serious?

Rules? They have NO rules on both ends of this route. If rules were to be followed, both rulers and their governments would have long been gone. Shipping some illegal cargo on a passenger flight is nothing to make their noses turn up for these individuals.

This flight makes no commercial sense any way you look at it. What is it needed for? My guess is a good as yours as to what obscure interests it serves. But you can be sure that nothing good or beneficial for the people of Venezuela or Syria will be carried on those flights.

Yeah, I think you’re missing my point, I’m not saying the demand for schools to go on orchestra tours of Venezuela exists but there is an urge by these governments to appear like everything is normal and they have fraternal nations around the world so they’ll drum up sports tours and trade missions and exchange students etc. If you’d been to Tehran you’d see the Iranians run a professional operation and aren’t going to put loads of explosives in the belly of an airliner with civilians aboard. That’s what Il-76s are for. As for the rest of your post, 90% of Venezuelans have been living on a few dollars a day for decades, why do you think they elected Chavez, Maduro et al?


I'm not missing your point, you're being delusional.

The IL-76 is fine for the weapons runs around the Iran, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, etc, but they are not going to send them to Venezuela and seriously, if you think that Iran wouldn't put weapons on a civilian flight, you are kidding yourself. You are right about one thing though, the Iranians are very professional at this sort of thing, they should be, they've had enough practice at it over the last few decades.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:34 pm

Reservations can be done. Flight costs some 1500 euros.
The load factor to break even is 69%.
The highest load factor that this route got when last operated was of 49%. In some cases it was well below 10% (24 passengers in a 286 seats configuration for a gruesome 8%.
Asuming a 49% LF with each hour of this machine flying costing around 9.500-12.000 euros, this gives a loss of some 87k euros per full trip (CCS-DAM-CCS).
There is no way that an airline in a country where there is no money to buy ordinary things like food or medicine can afford to lose this kind of money in a weekly basis (total loss for a full year at this capacity would exceed 4.5m euros, more than 5 million dolars.
If this flight is not used to smuggle gold to Syria and bring back hard currency to keep the Maduro regime going, then I have no idea of what it is for.
There is no way that 286 seats will be filled week in, week out between two countries that are at the end of the line in GDP per capita. Minimum wage in Venezuela is a little more than 4$ per month.
Syria is in a civil war since 2011.
Actually, Conviasa is the only not Syrian, not Iranian airline flying to Syria.
Anything else is delusional or mere propaganda.
Please do not fool yourselves, this route will be short-lived. It will end in the blink of an eye, like its two predecessors.
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:43 pm

Now flights are only available in J class, which means that a RT ticket costs almost 4500$.
They opened up availability until the end of April.
With this, this route will go to smithereens. There is no way that an average Venezuelan or Syrian, not even the upper-middle class ones, if such thing still exists, can pay that kind of money for a ticket.
With this increased costs (about 3x economy class), the loading factor to break even is of 26%.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:58 pm

It looks like the flight operated today.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:15 am

Reservations in March and April 2020 have been closed
Does that mean both sides have no illicit materials to trade right now, or they just don't want passengers watching and taking photos for a.net trip report blogs while boxes of arms are loaded in the cargo belly ?
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:21 am

A return flight on the DAM-CCS route was 1299USD in Economy, or 2898USD in Business. Not too expensive.
How safe would it be to transit in DAM?
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:15 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Reservations in March and April 2020 have been closed
Does that mean both sides have no illicit materials to trade right now, or they just don't want passengers watching and taking photos for a.net trip report blogs while boxes of arms are loaded in the cargo belly ?

Yeah would be awkward seeing lots of boxes being loaded on your plane with big bold "WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM HANDLE WITH CARE" stickers on them.
Alejo6 wrote:
There is no way that an airline in a country where there is no money to buy ordinary things like food or medicine can afford to lose this kind of money in a weekly basis (total loss for a full year at this capacity would exceed 4.5m euros, more than 5 million dolars
AP

I think there's a difference between the state finances and the population's wealth. If the government wants this flight it will have this flight operated.

Also note that all three countries - Venezuela, Syria, Iran - have large oil resources but largely outdated equipment. I'd imagine that there is some traffic in both petrol engineers and tools. Not that the passengers would pay for the trip by themselves, obviously this would be paid for by the state-owned companies.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:58 am

stl07 wrote:
Would love to see a trip report for this route and the Iran flight


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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:59 am

Wow, suspect flight is suspect. Yes, I know this flight used to be operated, but even then, I thought this was very odd. Of all the major cities in the Middle East, why modern day Syria?
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:26 pm

Chasensfo wrote:
Wow, suspect flight is suspect. Yes, I know this flight used to be operated, but even then, I thought this was very odd. Of all the major cities in the Middle East, why modern day Syria?


Because Badd Boyz will be Badd Boyz. There is no other explanation/reason other than they can get away with it.
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:39 pm

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School bands and sports teams... Really? Are you aware of the depth of the crisis in Venezuela? 90% of the population survives on a few dollars a month. Some folks only send their kids to school if they can get fed. So it is safe to say that schools bands are a thing of the past there... Sports teams... to play where? In Syria? Academics? Syria (#2) and Venezuela (#1) are the largest migration crisis world wide right now. Please... Are you serious?


It's plausible. I grew up in a Communist 3rd world country in Africa which was at the time rated as the poorest country in the world. We had weekly flights to Europe (a 10 hour flight), Cuba and other African cities. You may ask the same question: What kind of people were traveling on the routes to Havana, Moscow, and East Berlin? The same exact list of people the poster just listed like sports teams, school hands, politicians, students, etc. It was also pretty much the only way to get "luxury" goods in and out of the country and believe it or not, even in the poorest countries there is demand for luxury goods and people will pay what it takes to get them.
 
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Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:49 pm

I for one know personally someone who took this flight, one way only, a few years ago. There is a decent community of around 200K Venezuelan nationals in Syria, mostly in As-Suwayda which is known as “Little Venezuela”. As things were getting pretty bad in Syria, his parents booked him a one way flight to Caracas. From there he drove to Brazil as a refugee, then to French Guiana and from there took a domestic flight to Paris.

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