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Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:53 pm

With Spirit projected to grow 20% in 2020, and add several new cities, I think it makes sense to continue last years thread.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/spirit-ai ... next-year/

Interestingly enough, they haven't extended their schedule for the summer yet.

In my opinion, I could see SLC, SAT, SRQ, MEM, or STL as airports they could add next
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:56 am

will NK grow AVL? They flew to TPA MCO and FLL only, I cant remember if they cut TPA and FLL, seems like all they serve now is MCO. Would love it if they added LAS ORD and maybe somewhere on the west coast. If G4 can make DEN-AVL work, I can see a west coast flight from AVL work. Not a big NK fan, I prefere G4 when I fly back to the Tampa Area, but I would book on NK just to fly to TPA and see the old FL gates in A at TPA, but I don't think they fly TPA non stop anymore, please correct me of im wrong
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:59 am

Link to previous thread:

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Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:41 pm

NK could & should jump into STL and be quite aggressive to compete against WN here, which I would enjoy to see. More competition is good and for a former hub at half the number of travelers from the start of the 2000s, this would be advantageous to get them in to STL.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:29 pm

Let's see we have:
- $60 to $70 per barrel WTI pricing which might go up even more if Iran start blowing up middle east oil fields and tankers
- CASM-ex goes up 4% YoY or more
- RASM going down YoY and that was with 10% growth vs 20% growth.
- slowing economy, negative manufacturing growth
- MAX coming back into service at some point and spiking domestic capacity growth

right, this 20% growth is definitely happening. Let's wait until SAVE Q1 earnings call. going to be interesting
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:43 pm

With recent expansion made under the new VP of network planning, it's clear that NK is essentially being re-created into AirTran 2.0, a lot of what they've been doing in terms of customer service and amenities is matching AirTran.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:19 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
With Spirit projected to grow 20% in 2020, and add several new cities, I think it makes sense to continue last years thread.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/spirit-ai ... next-year/

Interestingly enough, they haven't extended their schedule for the summer yet.

In my opinion, I could see SLC, SAT, SRQ, MEM, or STL as airports they could add next


Their lack of a schedule extension is driving me nuts right now as I am going to Vegas on June 11th and I want to know the flight times and pricing.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:43 pm

tphuang wrote:
- MAX coming back into service at some point and spiking domestic capacity growth


It isn't spiking - it's receipt of delayed deliveries, which has suppressed capacity growth. And it's not like AA/UA/WN can receive and immediately put into service 100 aircraft, anyway.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:46 pm

With all the places Spirit flies, I am surprised they don't have a larger presence in Mexico (MEX, MTY & GDL). They fly to literally every Latin American city except for MEX, MTY & GDL.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:10 pm

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NK could & should jump into STL and be quite aggressive to compete against WN here, which I would enjoy to see. More competition is good and for a former hub at half the number of travelers from the start of the 2000s, this would be advantageous to get them in to STL.


Destinations that NK could serve nonstop from STL include ATL, AUS, BWI, DFW, DTW, FLL, RSW, IAH, LAS, LAX, MYR, MSY, MCO, and TPA. NK probably would not serve all of these destinations nonstop from STL initially, but NK adding additional nonstop routes out of STL after NK starting service out of STL is certainly a possibility.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:36 pm

Where's CVG??? DFW/FLL/LAS would be good adds.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:08 pm

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Where's CVG??? DFW/FLL/LAS would be good adds.


Once they get more planes in the fleet. They just firmed up a 100 plane order
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:06 pm

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With recent expansion made under the new VP of network planning, it's clear that NK is essentially being re-created into AirTran 2.0, a lot of what they've been doing in terms of customer service and amenities is matching AirTran.


not to mention, their CEO is our old FL Boss.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:23 pm

My bet on the new cities for 2020 is: MKE, STL, MEM, SAT, SLC, CHS, SAV, ROC, and FNT.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:58 pm

tphuang wrote:
Let's see we have:
- $60 to $70 per barrel WTI pricing which might go up even more if Iran start blowing up middle east oil fields and tankers
- CASM-ex goes up 4% YoY or more
- RASM going down YoY and that was with 10% growth vs 20% growth.
- slowing economy, negative manufacturing growth
- MAX coming back into service at some point and spiking domestic capacity growth

right, this 20% growth is definitely happening. Let's wait until SAVE Q1 earnings call. going to be interesting


Not much they can do to slow growth this year with how many aircraft they are getting.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:17 pm

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Where's CVG??? DFW/FLL/LAS would be good adds.


I'd almost think DAY would make more sense than CVG. No WN, no F9, no DL focus city, minimal G4, high fares, no MCO/TPA nonstops.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:30 pm

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My bet on the new cities for 2020 is: MKE, STL, MEM, SAT, SLC, CHS, SAV, ROC, and FNT.


I think MEM and SLC have a lot of potential. MEM in that G4 isn't that strong nor is WN, so NK could generate demand. On SLC side it has higher fares and NK could draw travelers especially wanting to go to Utah national parks at affordable price.


I think SAT is tough, because NK is building a decent operation out of AUS that many ULCC travelers don't mind driving up to. AUS has 13 destinations served by NK and all but 12 are at least daily and CUN is 4x weekly.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:22 pm

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will NK grow AVL? They flew to TPA MCO and FLL only, I cant remember if they cut TPA and FLL, seems like all they serve now is MCO. Would love it if they added LAS ORD and maybe somewhere on the west coast. If G4 can make DEN-AVL work, I can see a west coast flight from AVL work. Not a big NK fan, I prefere G4 when I fly back to the Tampa Area, but I would book on NK just to fly to TPA and see the old FL gates in A at TPA, but I don't think they fly TPA non stop anymore, please correct me of im wrong


NK is down to only MCO at AVL. I think they had a difficult time challenging G4 at FLL and in the AVL-Tampa-St. Pete market.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:02 am

airtrantpa wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
With recent expansion made under the new VP of network planning, it's clear that NK is essentially being re-created into AirTran 2.0, a lot of what they've been doing in terms of customer service and amenities is matching AirTran.


not to mention, their CEO is our old FL Boss.


Double check the Spirit website but I’m pretty sure Bob Fornaro left at the end of 2018.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:16 am

x1234 wrote:
With all the places Spirit flies, I am surprised they don't have a larger presence in Mexico (MEX, MTY & GDL). They fly to literally every Latin American city except for MEX, MTY & GDL.


MTY and GDL certainly aren't tourist destinations, and WN's failure in non-beach Mexico points to the importance of brand and MX point of sale.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:30 am

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With all the places Spirit flies, I am surprised they don't have a larger presence in Mexico (MEX, MTY & GDL). They fly to literally every Latin American city except for MEX, MTY & GDL.


Wait, what????
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:35 am

I was surprised they didn’t apply to get slots at MEX when B6 left. Few times a week FLL, MCO and LAS flights from MEX could definitely work. Maybe even BWI to time connections to the Northeast.

It seems they are just growing their current cities for 2020. CUN is increasing, SJU and AUS. Their new CEO said they want to increase in constrained airports so look for that also.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:46 am

CATIIIevery5yrs wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:
flymco753 wrote:
With recent expansion made under the new VP of network planning, it's clear that NK is essentially being re-created into AirTran 2.0, a lot of what they've been doing in terms of customer service and amenities is matching AirTran.


not to mention, their CEO is our old FL Boss.


Double check the Spirit website but I’m pretty sure Bob Fornaro left at the end of 2018.



Did not know that I thought he was still at the helm. He didn’t last long at all there. I do think he was better then joe Leonard though as ceo
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:48 am

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airtrantpa wrote:
will NK grow AVL? They flew to TPA MCO and FLL only, I cant remember if they cut TPA and FLL, seems like all they serve now is MCO. Would love it if they added LAS ORD and maybe somewhere on the west coast. If G4 can make DEN-AVL work, I can see a west coast flight from AVL work. Not a big NK fan, I prefere G4 when I fly back to the Tampa Area, but I would book on NK just to fly to TPA and see the old FL gates in A at TPA, but I don't think they fly TPA non stop anymore, please correct me of im wrong


NK is down to only MCO at AVL. I think they had a difficult time challenging G4 at FLL and in the AVL-Tampa-St. Pete market.


Wish they would add more service maybe ORD even though it’s NK I’d rather fly on a crappy airbus then a RJ to ohare
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x1234 wrote:
With all the places Spirit flies, I am surprised they don't have a larger presence in Mexico (MEX, MTY & GDL). They fly to literally every Latin American city except for MEX, MTY & GDL.


Wait, what????


GDL does have some tourist traffic from the U.S. due to GDL being located near the town of Tequila where tequila distilleries are located. The blue agave plant that is used to make tequila is also grown near Tequila.

While GDL does have some tourism from the U.S. due to the proximity of GDL to Tequila, the US to GDL market is already served by AM, AS, 4O, VB, and Y4 in addition to the US3 carriers. AA, DL/AM, and UA also already offer 1-stop connecting service to GDL from many U.S. markets without nonstop service to GDL.

WN has already pulled out of MEX with WN unable to make MEX work without enough Mexico point-of-sale traffic, and B6 will be pulling out of MEX this Thursday due to B6 for similar reasons.

4O, VB, and Y4 do serve come U.S. cities nonstop from MEX, but these three carriers have significant Mexico point-of-sale traffic. All three of these carriers also have nonstop service out of MEX to at least one U.S. destination that isn't a hub or focus city for AA, DL, or UA.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:05 am

If NK gets into Jalisco it'll be to PVR.
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:10 am

Really hope they add MKE. We are missing FLL, and with the huge cruise crowd in Wisconsin it’s a slam dunk.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:33 am

Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Let's see we have:
- $60 to $70 per barrel WTI pricing which might go up even more if Iran start blowing up middle east oil fields and tankers
- CASM-ex goes up 4% YoY or more
- RASM going down YoY and that was with 10% growth vs 20% growth.
- slowing economy, negative manufacturing growth
- MAX coming back into service at some point and spiking domestic capacity growth

right, this 20% growth is definitely happening. Let's wait until SAVE Q1 earnings call. going to be interesting


Not much they can do to slow growth this year with how many aircraft they are getting.


Not to mention these "economic conditions" are why Spirit exists for the flyers in the first place.
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:11 am

jplatts wrote:
ABEguy wrote:
x1234 wrote:
With all the places Spirit flies, I am surprised they don't have a larger presence in Mexico (MEX, MTY & GDL). They fly to literally every Latin American city except for MEX, MTY & GDL.


Wait, what????


GDL does have some tourist traffic from the U.S. due to GDL being located near the town of Tequila where tequila distilleries are located. The blue agave plant that is used to make tequila is also grown near Tequila.

While GDL does have some tourism from the U.S. due to the proximity of GDL to Tequila, the US to GDL market is already served by AM, AS, 4O, VB, and Y4 in addition to the US3 carriers. AA, DL/AM, and UA also already offer 1-stop connecting service to GDL from many U.S. markets without nonstop service to GDL.

WN has already pulled out of MEX with WN unable to make MEX work without enough Mexico point-of-sale traffic, and B6 will be pulling out of MEX this Thursday due to B6 for similar reasons.

4O, VB, and Y4 do serve come U.S. cities nonstop from MEX, but these three carriers have significant Mexico point-of-sale traffic. All three of these carriers also have nonstop service out of MEX to at least one U.S. destination that isn't a hub or focus city for AA, DL, or UA.


Don’t be ridiculous. Americans don’t flock to tequila factories in relatively dangerous regions of Mexico.
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:54 am

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Really hope they add MKE. We are missing FLL, and with the huge cruise crowd in Wisconsin it’s a slam dunk.


I don't see a market that lost G4 being able to attract NK but I could be wrong. BTW, why did G4 leave MKE out of nowhere?
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:40 pm

Spirit subcontracted out some routes out of ORD to be operated by Miami Air. I guess because they couldn’t operate them with their own planes.

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Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:23 pm

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Really hope they add MKE. We are missing FLL, and with the huge cruise crowd in Wisconsin it’s a slam dunk.


I don't see a market that lost G4 being able to attract NK but I could be wrong. BTW, why did G4 leave MKE out of nowhere?


My reasons for why Allegiant left are a couple. First they flew to destinations that already had multiple airlines serving them. Phoenix (WN, F9, AA) Orlando (WN, F9, DL) Tampa (WN, F9) Ft Meyers (WN, F9) FLL (WN but it’s seasonal). Yes Allegiant used secondary airports but competition was heavy and people were used to flying these airlines.

Second would be marketing. No one I know knew they flew out of Milwaukee. They only flew a few times a week and I think people just liked the flexibility the other airlines offered of daily service, into non secondary airports and people actually knew WN, F9, DL, AA.

I think Spirit could definitely succeed out of MKE. With WN getting more and more pricey I have plenty of friends, family and co-workers who have brought that up. F9 has given up a lot in MKE and most of there routes are only a few times a week now at odd times. Milwaukee is a price sensitive market that loves its vacation/leisure routes. Sound like spirit? Not to mention MKE gets a ton of traffic from the Northern Chicago suburbs.

If F9 did a better job of holding MKE I definitely wouldn’t say there is a place for Spirit. But because F9 shrunk MKE there is definitely a place for a ultra low cost airline with dedicated daily service
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:32 pm

UWPAviation wrote:
zackary747 wrote:
UWPAviation wrote:
Really hope they add MKE. We are missing FLL, and with the huge cruise crowd in Wisconsin it’s a slam dunk.


I don't see a market that lost G4 being able to attract NK but I could be wrong. BTW, why did G4 leave MKE out of nowhere?


My reasons for why Allegiant left are a couple. First they flew to destinations that already had multiple airlines serving them. Phoenix (WN, F9, AA) Orlando (WN, F9, DL) Tampa (WN, F9) Ft Meyers (WN, F9) FLL (WN but it’s seasonal). Yes Allegiant used secondary airports but competition was heavy and people were used to flying these airlines.

Second would be marketing. No one I know knew they flew out of Milwaukee. They only flew a few times a week and I think people just liked the flexibility the other airlines offered of daily service, into non secondary airports and people actually knew WN, F9, DL, AA.

I think Spirit could definitely succeed out of MKE. With WN getting more and more pricey I have plenty of friends, family and co-workers who have brought that up. F9 has given up a lot in MKE and most of there routes are only a few times a week now at odd times. Milwaukee is a price sensitive market that loves its vacation/leisure routes. Sound like spirit? Not to mention MKE gets a ton of traffic from the Northern Chicago suburbs.

If F9 did a better job of holding MKE I definitely wouldn’t say there is a place for Spirit. But because F9 shrunk MKE there is definitely a place for a ultra low cost airline with dedicated daily service


I understand your points about the competition but that happens at literally every other mid sized airport in the country. IND-LAS has 4 airlines on it now. To me it seems like the people are Milwaukee aren't supporting the air service that comes about like they should.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:16 am

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UWPAviation wrote:
zackary747 wrote:

I don't see a market that lost G4 being able to attract NK but I could be wrong. BTW, why did G4 leave MKE out of nowhere?


My reasons for why Allegiant left are a couple. First they flew to destinations that already had multiple airlines serving them. Phoenix (WN, F9, AA) Orlando (WN, F9, DL) Tampa (WN, F9) Ft Meyers (WN, F9) FLL (WN but it’s seasonal). Yes Allegiant used secondary airports but competition was heavy and people were used to flying these airlines.

Second would be marketing. No one I know knew they flew out of Milwaukee. They only flew a few times a week and I think people just liked the flexibility the other airlines offered of daily service, into non secondary airports and people actually knew WN, F9, DL, AA.

I think Spirit could definitely succeed out of MKE. With WN getting more and more pricey I have plenty of friends, family and co-workers who have brought that up. F9 has given up a lot in MKE and most of there routes are only a few times a week now at odd times. Milwaukee is a price sensitive market that loves its vacation/leisure routes. Sound like spirit? Not to mention MKE gets a ton of traffic from the Northern Chicago suburbs.

If F9 did a better job of holding MKE I definitely wouldn’t say there is a place for Spirit. But because F9 shrunk MKE there is definitely a place for a ultra low cost airline with dedicated daily service


I understand your points about the competition but that happens at literally every other mid sized airport in the country. IND-LAS has 4 airlines on it now. To me it seems like the people are Milwaukee aren't supporting the air service that comes about like they should.


Oh I 100% agree. Allegiant was a fantastic alternative. Especially being so close to Chicago. I’m just not completely convinced Allegiant have MKE it’s all. Were I believe if spirit comes in and markets well they will be great
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:41 am

Spirit has announced today that it will continue expanding in Colombia's secondary markets from Fort Lauderdale.

Starting April 2020, the airline will begin 3x weekly service from Fort Lauderdale to each Barranquilla (BAQ) and Bucaramanga (BGA). This is in addition to the airline's already healthy presence in Colombia which consists of daily FLL-BOG, FLL-MDE, FLL-CLO services, 4x weekly FLL-CTG and 3x weekly FLL-AXM flights. They also fly MCO-BOG daily, MCO-MDE and MCO-CTG twice weekly each.

There is a separate thread on this topic.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:59 am

malev2012 wrote:
dabpit wrote:
My bet on the new cities for 2020 is: MKE, STL, MEM, SAT, SLC, CHS, SAV, ROC, and FNT.


I think SAT is tough, because NK is building a decent operation out of AUS that many ULCC travelers don't mind driving up to. AUS has 13 destinations served by NK and all but 12 are at least daily and CUN is 4x weekly.


Don't forget Spirit tried SAT starting in 2008 and pulling out in 2009. Before you say it I agree that was during a recession and SAT has sustained year to year growth.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:43 pm

A few more things regarding Allegiant and Milwaukee:

--Shortly after Allegiant announced MKE Frontier announced new and increased flights to Florida and Arizona. Frontier is a known entity and flew 4 to 8 flights per week in each of those Florida and Arizona markets during the colder months of the year. Added competition with far better frequencies. Frontier retains much of that expanded MKE flying though with definite seasonal variation.

--Allegiant started MKE with only 10 weekly flights -- twice weekly to 5 markets. After a few months they cut that to 4 markets and for their rest of their time here (the final 16 months of their 21-month stay) they averaged only about 19 departures per month here with a mix of seasonal suspensions and frequency reductions.

--With so few flights and minimal marketing in highly-competitive markets they never got any traction.

--I've also heard that ancillary revenues per passenger were low in MKE with below-average hotel, car rental, etc. sales per seat sold. . I'm skeptical that MKE-Florida is much of a "package" market, and what market there is just isn't likely to flock to buying a Wednesday to Wednesday sort of itinerary that the limited schedule dictated.

They just didn't seem to have a purpose for existing in the MKE market and never made much effort to change that.
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:49 pm

Big differences between G4's operation at MKE vs G4's operation at CVG include the following:
  • G4 was the only LCC serving the Orlando and Fort Myers/Punta Gorda markets from CVG when G4 started service out of CVG back in 2014, whereas WN was already serving the FLL/MIA, RSW/PGD, MCO/SFB, PHX/AZA, and TPA/PIE markets nonstop from MKE on at least a seasonal basis when G4 entered the MKE market.
  • G4 has nonstop service out of CVG on at least a seasonal basis to some destinations that other LCC's don't currently serve nonstop out of CVG such as AUS, CHS, VPS, JAX, MYR, EWR, ORF, PVD, and SAV.
  • G4 carries over 1 million passengers per year in and out of CVG, whereas G4 only carried 147,648 passengers out of MKE in the October 2017 - August 2019 time period.

If NK does add service to MKE, I could see NK adding nonstop service to LAS, MYR, and MSY out of MKE with NK already serving these destinations nonstop from other Midwestern cities. There are also a few other nonstop routes that could possibly be added by NK out of MKE if it enters the MKE market such as MKE-BWI, MKE-BOS, MKE-DFW, MKE-IAH, and MKE-LAX.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 9:12 pm

Is there a possibility NKS will soon become the top LCC carrier in the near future? Southwest is a good airline, but they’ve somewhat lost some of their touch in my honest opinion. A WN pilot told me to invest in Spirit stock.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:41 pm

southwest1675 wrote:
Is there a possibility NKS will soon become the top LCC carrier in the near future? Southwest is a good airline, but they’ve somewhat lost some of their touch in my honest opinion. A WN pilot told me to invest in Spirit stock.


The biggest U.S. markets not currently served by NK include STL, SLC, SAT, CVG, MKE, ORF, SDF, GSP, OKC, GRR, MEM, and BHM, and WN already serves all of these markets.

There are also some other U.S. destinations that are currently served by WN but not by NK, including the following:
ALB, ABQ, AMA, BOI, CHS, CRP, DSM, ELP, HRL, HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH, LIT, LBB, MAF, OMA, ECP, PNS, PWM, RNO, ROC, GEG, TUS, TUL, ICT

WN also carried 317,650,796 passengers on domestic flights in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period compared to the 58,871,594 passengers that NK carried on domestic flights in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period.

WN's domestic operation will still be much bigger than NK's domestic operation, even if NK significantly expands its domestic operation, as WN carried more than 5 times the amount of passengers on domestic flights than NK did in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:33 pm

jplatts wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Is there a possibility NKS will soon become the top LCC carrier in the near future? Southwest is a good airline, but they’ve somewhat lost some of their touch in my honest opinion. A WN pilot told me to invest in Spirit stock.


The biggest U.S. markets not currently served by NK include STL, SLC, SAT, CVG, MKE, ORF, SDF, GSP, OKC, GRR, MEM, and BHM, and WN already serves all of these markets.

There are also some other U.S. destinations that are currently served by WN but not by NK, including the following:
ALB, ABQ, AMA, BOI, CHS, CRP, DSM, ELP, HRL, HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH, LIT, LBB, MAF, OMA, ECP, PNS, PWM, RNO, ROC, GEG, TUS, TUL, ICT

WN also carried 317,650,796 passengers on domestic flights in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period compared to the 58,871,594 passengers that NK carried on domestic flights in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period.

WN's domestic operation will still be much bigger than NK's domestic operation, even if NK significantly expands its domestic operation, as WN carried more than 5 times the amount of passengers on domestic flights than NK did in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period.


Back in 2017 an NK FA I chatted with had said SMF, BNA and ELP were in the works for service within three years. Since NK has a presence in the first two airports already we'll see if ELP happens this 2020. If so I'm curious what destinations they would fly to.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:20 am

jplatts wrote:
southwest1675 wrote:
Is there a possibility NKS will soon become the top LCC carrier in the near future? Southwest is a good airline, but they’ve somewhat lost some of their touch in my honest opinion. A WN pilot told me to invest in Spirit stock.


The biggest U.S. markets not currently served by NK include STL, SLC, SAT, CVG, MKE, ORF, SDF, GSP, OKC, GRR, MEM, and BHM, and WN already serves all of these markets.

There are also some other U.S. destinations that are currently served by WN but not by NK, including the following:
ALB, ABQ, AMA, BOI, CHS, CRP, DSM, ELP, HRL, HNL, OGG, KOA, LIH, LIT, LBB, MAF, OMA, ECP, PNS, PWM, RNO, ROC, GEG, TUS, TUL, ICT

WN also carried 317,650,796 passengers on domestic flights in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period compared to the 58,871,594 passengers that NK carried on domestic flights in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period.

WN's domestic operation will still be much bigger than NK's domestic operation, even if NK significantly expands its domestic operation, as WN carried more than 5 times the amount of passengers on domestic flights than NK did in the October 2018 - September 2019 time period.


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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:26 am

HanCholo wrote:
Back in 2017 an NK FA I chatted with had said SMF, BNA and ELP were in the works for service within three years. Since NK has a presence in the first two airports already we'll see if ELP happens this 2020. If so I'm curious what destinations they would fly to.


While I would not expect NK to have a big presence at ELP if it adds service to ELP, I could see NK possibly adding nonstop service to DFW, LAS, and MCO out of ELP as these three destinations are top destinations traveled to out of ELP.

There might be enough O&D between ELP and MCO for NK or WN to add ELP-MCO nonstop service as the PDEW of ELP-MCO was 86 passengers per day in Q2 2019.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:41 am

jplatts wrote:
HanCholo wrote:
Back in 2017 an NK FA I chatted with had said SMF, BNA and ELP were in the works for service within three years. Since NK has a presence in the first two airports already we'll see if ELP happens this 2020. If so I'm curious what destinations they would fly to.


While I would not expect NK to have a big presence at ELP if it adds service to ELP, I could see NK possibly adding nonstop service to DFW, LAS, and MCO out of ELP as these three destinations are top destinations traveled to out of ELP.

There might be enough O&D between ELP and MCO for NK or WN to add ELP-MCO nonstop service as the PDEW of ELP-MCO was 86 passengers per day in Q2 2019.


If NK goes to ELP I see LAS as their only destination. They do the same thing in BUR, SMF, and PDX. Those markets are bigger too.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:01 am

I'm a big fan of Spirit, their network, and what they're doing as an airline. For a resident of a small market where we suffer through the pay astronomical fares vs. drive a few hours to a major airport, the way Spirit is expanding gives me hope that they can really make an impact in lowering prices nationwide, as Southwest has done for years. Hopefully, they can keep this growth up with new aircraft coming online. Excited to see what the future holds for them.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 5:02 am

jplatts wrote:
HanCholo wrote:
Back in 2017 an NK FA I chatted with had said SMF, BNA and ELP were in the works for service within three years. Since NK has a presence in the first two airports already we'll see if ELP happens this 2020. If so I'm curious what destinations they would fly to.


While I would not expect NK to have a big presence at ELP if it adds service to ELP, I could see NK possibly adding nonstop service to DFW, LAS, and MCO out of ELP as these three destinations are top destinations traveled to out of ELP.

There might be enough O&D between ELP and MCO for NK or WN to add ELP-MCO nonstop service as the PDEW of ELP-MCO was 86 passengers per day in Q2 2019.


I definitely see DFW possibly happening since PDEW is pretty high. WN also has a daily to DAL. How much of this volume can NK peel off from WN and AA? I'm wondering if it pulls another traveler type plus some regulars curious with the new service and who may stick with NK.

LAS is currently serviced by WN daily and G4 flies there twice a week. Is there enough PDEW for NK to fly this route too?

G4 flies to SFB seasonally in the summer. NK flying to MCO would probably be more popular. I wonder if NK would also make this seasonal?

I've never flown NK before. Do they offer connecting flights? I know they follow the ULCC business model, but are they more similar to F9 than G4?
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:53 pm

HanCholo wrote:
I definitely see DFW possibly happening since PDEW is pretty high. WN also has a daily to DAL. How much of this volume can NK peel off from WN and AA? I'm wondering if it pulls another traveler type plus some regulars curious with the new service and who may stick with NK.

LAS is currently serviced by WN daily and G4 flies there twice a week. Is there enough PDEW for NK to fly this route too?

G4 flies to SFB seasonally in the summer. NK flying to MCO would probably be more popular. I wonder if NK would also make this seasonal?

I've never flown NK before. Do they offer connecting flights? I know they follow the ULCC business model, but are they more similar to F9 than G4?


NK does offer connecting flights. They are the same business model as F9 and G4, the difference is they offer Big Front Seats for purchase and are way more reliable to fly than F9 and they tend to have daily flights unlike G4 flying a few times a week (there are exceptions).
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:54 am

While NK hasn't added any new nonstop routes out of DFW since adding DFW-SEA nonstop service 2 years ago, there are still a few more nonstop routes such as DFW-BUR, DFW-JAX, and DFW-BNA that could be added by NK out of DFW with DFW being one of the largest NK stations.
 
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:08 am

I can't seem to read what NK's plans seem to be, but most of what I envision still aligns with their old network plans as opposed to the new plans. New plans seem to heavily emphasize on Orlando, Baltimore, & Newark.
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Re: Spirit Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:11 am

Do you think if the new routes prove themselves from EWR, which they should, they will add more routes?

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