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Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
LAX772LR wrote:Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
strfyr51 wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
the 787 has that feature and I hear it's not all that popular, though with some individual tweaks it could be.
Noshow wrote:Worst innovation since IFE boxes under the seat in front of you. I hate that centralized master dimming feature.
Tokyo777 wrote:Noshow wrote:Worst innovation since IFE boxes under the seat in front of you. I hate that centralized master dimming feature.
Are cabin attendants "locking" them dark? Every 787 flight I've been on, I've been able to lighten the window after the master switch has darkened them all.
Tokyo777 wrote:Noshow wrote:Worst innovation since IFE boxes under the seat in front of you. I hate that centralized master dimming feature.
Are cabin attendants "locking" them dark? Every 787 flight I've been on, I've been able to lighten the window after the master switch has darkened them all.
Colonia wrote:It is horrible (at least the way Boeing has installed it on the 787). My five cents.
jeffh747 wrote:I love the dimmable windows on the 787. It’s a great compromise between being able to see outside and being respectful to those in the cabin who want to sleep. You can still see outside pretty decently, and the seat mates get to sleep. Better than the alternative which would be the crew asking everyone to have their window shades shut completely preventing someone from being able to see out the window.
sergegva wrote:jeffh747 wrote:I never understood why some people think it's ok to bother your neighboor with your reading light or your screen, watching a blockbuster, while watching outside is an offense?? And I am not talking of 5h nonstop with direct sunlight right into the cabin. When the light is strong there are ways to watch carefully.
workhorse wrote:Very bad idea from Airbus. Not having these hateful things was one of their selling points.
Colonia wrote:It is horrible (at least the way Boeing has installed it on the 787). My five cents.
scbriml wrote:workhorse wrote:Very bad idea from Airbus. Not having these hateful things was one of their selling points.
How many Airbus planes have you bought on the basis the windows aren’t dimmable?
Has any airline ever purchased any plane on the basis the windows are, or aren’t, dimmable?
L0VE2FLY wrote:There's no words in the English language or any language for that matter to describe how much I hate this stupid awful feature! What's the point of paying for a window seat if you have no control over your window?! I refuse to fly on the 787 because of the stupid dimming windows. I'm beyond disappointed!Colonia wrote:It is horrible (at least the way Boeing has installed it on the 787). My five cents.
What makes it so horrible is the crew override feature, a friend of mine missed out on seeing the stunning glaciers of Greenland and the Northern Lights 'cause the crew dimmed and locked all the windows.
Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
Fortunately, no one else gives much of a damn.
Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
Fortunately, no one else gives much of a damn.
workhorse wrote:Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
It is not our god given right. Our god given right is to not book with airlines who buy airplanes with this "feature".
mjoelnir wrote:Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
Fortunately, no one else gives much of a damn.
Only a.netters would get their knickers in a knot over people who want to look out of windows. Their need to sleep without shades robs other passengers of the enjoyment of the flight.
Francoflier wrote:workhorse wrote:Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
It is not our god given right. Our god given right is to not book with airlines who buy airplanes with this "feature".
You are right. By all means, do.
Airlines don't seem overly worried, however, which would lend credence to the fact that this is a pet peeve only shared among a few enthusiasts.mjoelnir wrote:Francoflier wrote:Only A.netters would get their knickers in a knot over airplane windows that dim without their consent because how dare anyone take away their god given right to look through them at the expense of everyone else's rest...
Fortunately, no one else gives much of a damn.
Only a.netters would get their knickers in a knot over people who want to look out of windows. Their need to sleep without shades robs other passengers of the enjoyment of the flight.
Less than 25% of passengers have access to a window. Less than 100% of these have any interest in looking out. That leaves a vast majority who would rather relax in the dark. Additionally, it only takes one inconsiderate person to raise his or her shade to flood the compartment with bright light and wake up or inconvenience an entire cabin worth of passengers trying to sleep.
It's only a combination of simple math and basic decency, but don't let me stop your tantrum.
trad01 wrote:What happens if the system is broken and the windows remain dimmed for landing?I fly Hainan from China from time to time on their 787s. In December coming into LAX from China was the first time that the windows were locked in the dimmed position for the entire flight. It didn't bother me much as I wanted to sleep, but we landed with the windows dimmed at about 5pm.
Is this not a violation to landing procedures? (return your seat to the upright position, stow your table tray and open your window)
I asked the FA on exit and she just assured me that they controlled the windows with the master switch. She didn't seem to be aware that the windows needed to be open for landing.
DarkSnowyNight wrote:strfyr51 wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
the 787 has that feature and I hear it's not all that popular, though with some individual tweaks it could be.
This website is about the only place they are even up for debate. Out in the real world, they almost universally disliked.
LAX772LR wrote:Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
CobaltScar wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
Good because sleep is spoiled too much by that one passenger that opens his window flooding the cabin with light.
CobaltScar wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
Good because sleep is spoiled too much by that one passenger that opens his window flooding the cabin with light.
trad01 wrote:trad01 wrote:What happens if the system is broken and the windows remain dimmed for landing?I fly Hainan from China from time to time on their 787s. In December coming into LAX from China was the first time that the windows were locked in the dimmed position for the entire flight. It didn't bother me much as I wanted to sleep, but we landed with the windows dimmed at about 5pm.
Is this not a violation to landing procedures? (return your seat to the upright position, stow your table tray and open your window)
I asked the FA on exit and she just assured me that they controlled the windows with the master switch. She didn't seem to be aware that the windows needed to be open for landing.
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CobaltScar wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Ishrion wrote:and become 100 times darker, effectively eliminating more than 99.999% of visible light.
Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
Good because sleep is spoiled too much by that one passenger that opens his window flooding the cabin with light.
gatibosgru wrote:CobaltScar wrote:LAX772LR wrote:Nice... though it's gonna suck on those airlines where the crew uses a mother-switch to just override everyone's window and make the cabin dark as throughout the flight.
Good because sleep is spoiled too much by that one passenger that opens his window flooding the cabin with light.
Buy a face mask/shade then. If you so want it closed, choose a window seat.
EChid wrote:The vast majority of 787s I've flown on have allowed me to 'undim' the windows after they've all been dimmed, and the end result is that I get to see out without really disturbing others. This simply isn't feasible with a standard slider, which usually blinds both myself and those around me when I open it.
sergegva wrote:jeffh747 wrote:I love the dimmable windows on the 787. It’s a great compromise between being able to see outside and being respectful to those in the cabin who want to sleep. You can still see outside pretty decently, and the seat mates get to sleep. Better than the alternative which would be the crew asking everyone to have their window shades shut completely preventing someone from being able to see out the window.
It is not a great compromise at all. You can barely see the landscape when it's dimmmed at the maximum. 50% dimmed, maybe.
A great compromise would be airlines giving eyeshades to pax who want to sleep.
I will happily buy eyeshades to my fellow seat mate if he wants to sleep. But if a dimmable window makes me miss the Himalaya or the Altaïr mountain in a magic light, like during my last HKG-AMS, I will loudly complain during the whole flight (and after).
I never understood why some people think it's ok to bother your neighboor with your reading light or your screen, watching a blockbuster, while watching outside is an offense?? And I am not talking of 5h nonstop with direct sunlight right into the cabin. When the light is strong there are ways to watch carefully.
skipness1E wrote:there's a bigger variety of scenery than the continental US so I guess this feeds into Americans on long haul.
CobaltScar wrote:newsflash: the crew want these things dimmed on most flights too.
CobaltScar wrote:gatibosgru wrote:CobaltScar wrote:
Good because sleep is spoiled too much by that one passenger that opens his window flooding the cabin with light.
Buy a face mask/shade then. If you so want it closed, choose a window seat.
newsflash: the crew want these things dimmed on most flights too.
CobaltScar wrote:gatibosgru wrote:CobaltScar wrote:
Good because sleep is spoiled too much by that one passenger that opens his window flooding the cabin with light.
Buy a face mask/shade then. If you so want it closed, choose a window seat.
newsflash: the crew want these things dimmed on most flights too.
Tartarus wrote:Your ticket entitles you to get from A to B, not for a scenic flight staring outside disrupting everyone else.
Hire your own scenic flight if you want to impress your Instagram friends.
trad01 wrote:I fly Hainan from China from time to time on their 787s. In December coming into LAX from China was the first time that the windows were locked in the dimmed position for the entire flight. It didn't bother me much as I wanted to sleep, but we landed with the windows dimmed at about 5pm.
Is this not a violation to landing procedures? (return your seat to the upright position, stow your table tray and open your window)
I asked the FA on exit and she just assured me that they controlled the windows with the master switch. She didn't seem to be aware that the windows needed to be open for landing.