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Re: JFK Terminal 8 Renovation Thread (2020)

Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:00 pm

How many unused gates will T7 have after Iberia moves out with British?
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:04 pm

There will be no unused gates..it’s getting demolished
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:33 pm

I hope they rename Terminal 8 to Terminal 7 after Terminal 6 gets built. I also think Terminal 4 should be renamed Terminal 3.
 
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Thanks, V/F.

I'd love to see a 3D (or just 2D if 3D is not practical) computer animated view of how JFK has evolved since inception to the present day.

Your research shows how the raw information could be gathered: just looking at old photos and figure out what was changing when and why.

Some of my earliest memories were going to JFK to greet family members arriving from Europe.

I find the pictures fascinating to stare at.
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:51 am

It is amazing that they were able to demolish the IAB without damaging T4.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:04 am

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I hope they rename Terminal 8 to Terminal 7 after Terminal 6 gets built. I also think Terminal 4 should be renamed Terminal 3.


The terminals will no doubt be renumbered. I haven’t seen anything definitive in the master plan documents.

Alternative 1:
T1 - The rebuilt T1 in the space of the current T1-3
T2 - The current T4
T3 - The current T5 + the new terminal built in the space of T6-7
T4 - The current T8

Alternative2:
T1 - The rebuilt T1 in the space of the current T1-3
T2 - The current T4
T3 - The current T5
T4 - The new terminal built in the space of T6-7
T5 - The current T8
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:20 am

I doubt they get renumbered

Delta and B6 have really gone out of their way to brand their terminals

The airport will likely have:

T1

T4

T5

T6

T8
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:40 am

Why is T6 called the “Sundrome”?
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 7:44 pm

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Why is T6 called the “Sundrome”?


Because it was built for the original National Airlines. National had a "Sun King" on the tails of their aircraft in the late 1960s and 1970s, and Sundrome was an extension of their "Sun" branding.

T6 was sold to TWA in 1980, after Pan Am merged with National and NA moved in with PA at T3 / the WorldPort
 
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Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.
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WA707atMSP wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why is T6 called the “Sundrome”?


Because it was built for the original National Airlines. National had a "Sun King" on the tails of their aircraft in the late 1960s and 1970s, and Sundrome was an extension of their "Sun" branding.

T6 was sold to TWA in 1980, after Pan Am merged with National and NA moved in with PA at T3 / the WorldPort

Did National Airlines use Terminal 7 for international arrivals before 1980? That seems easier than towing a plane all the way from the IAB to the Sundrome.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:22 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
WA707atMSP wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why is T6 called the “Sundrome”?


Because it was built for the original National Airlines. National had a "Sun King" on the tails of their aircraft in the late 1960s and 1970s, and Sundrome was an extension of their "Sun" branding.

T6 was sold to TWA in 1980, after Pan Am merged with National and NA moved in with PA at T3 / the WorldPort

Did National Airlines use Terminal 7 for international arrivals before 1980? That seems easier than towing a plane all the way from the IAB to the Sundrome.


National's March 2, 1979 timetable shows just one international flight at JFK: NA 7 from AMS. This flight did arrive at Terminal 7.

This timetable also indicates how underutilized the Sundrome was in 1979:

NA had just 17 departures a day out of this 12 gate terminal:

AMS: 1x day, DC-10
FMY: 1x day, 727
MIA: 4x day, 3x DC-10, 1x 727
MCO: 2x day, 727
SRQ: 2x day, 727
TPA: 2x day, 727
DCA: 3x day, 727
PBI: 2x day: 1x DC-10, 1x 727
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:37 pm

FSDan wrote:
Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.



It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:41 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.



It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A

How many gates at T4 are common-use and how many are owned by Delta?

China Southern is no longer in Skyteam. Perhaps they can rent a gate from AA in T8.

It is amazing that the owners of T4 allow Delta to rule the terminal with an iron fist. Over the last six years, Delta has pushed out several airlines from Concourse B. Before the Northwest merger, I don't Delta had any gates in T4.

I think the Port Authority should have forced Delta to keep using the flying saucer until T4A is expanded. If the demolished T3 South only, the flying saucer could have been reconfigured with 7 narrowbody gates.
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:45 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.



It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A

How many gates at T4 are common-use and how many are owned by Delta?

China Southern is no longer in Skyteam. Perhaps they can rent a gate from AA in T8.


The fact that China Southern is out of Sky Team does not necessarily mean it has to move. There are other alliance airlines in T4 operating there, and non-aligned ones as well. Delta doesn't own T4 as far as I know. It would make sense fo for China Southern to co-locate with AA at JFK at some point, though with the coronavirus situation being what it is, and how it has severely impacted travel to China, this isn't likely to be a huge priority. China Southern flies from JFK to Guangzhou and Wuhan, with the Wuhan flight suspended.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 11:32 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.



It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A

Sounds like not a great terminal situation for them. I fully expect JetBlue to run them off JFK to Ecuador market.
 
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Re: JFK Terminal 8 Renovation Thread (2020)

Sat Feb 08, 2020 2:01 am

WA707atMSP wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why is T6 called the “Sundrome”?


Because it was built for the original National Airlines. National had a "Sun King" on the tails of their aircraft in the late 1960s and 1970s, and Sundrome was an extension of their "Sun" branding.

T6 was sold to TWA in 1980, after Pan Am merged with National and NA moved in with PA at T3 / the WorldPort

How many gates at TWA Terminal 5 were connected to the FIS?
 
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 11:40 am

Everything on the newer, northern wing of the terminal “flight wing one”
 
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:01 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
How many gates at T6 will be connected to the FIS?


There is no Information as of yet detailing which gates in terminal 6 will be connected to the FIS.

Once Terminal 6 is built the T5 Customs hall will be decommissioned.

Construction on Terminal 6 is expected to begin this spring/summer
 
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:34 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.



It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A


Spot on.
 
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Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:17 pm

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My question is where is Alaska going to go when BA closes up at T7 ?

I'm guessing after today's announcement, Alaska will be moving to T8.
 
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Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:43 pm

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blacksoviet wrote:
How many gates at T6 will be connected to the FIS?


There is no Information as of yet detailing which gates in terminal 6 will be connected to the FIS.

Once Terminal 6 is built the T5 Customs hall will be decommissioned.

Construction on Terminal 6 is expected to begin this spring/summer

Will the T5 international gates be converted to domestic gates?
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:20 pm

Now that Royal Air Maroc is joining Oneworld ,do you think they will move from T1 to T8 to be with American ?
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:24 pm

Terminal 8 is going to get really crowded if as and all the other oneworld airlines move in there.
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:31 pm

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Terminal 8 is going to get really crowded if as and all the other oneworld airlines move in there.



That is Americans own doing.

Twice now they have done a half build.

There is no reason why AA and BA Are doing such a mediocre build out now

That concourse should he finished as originally envisioned

You don’t do a cheap job in a hub and important city without consequences
 
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 11:46 pm

So where are some of these new areas being built? Where will they, for example, put the BA Lounge?
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:10 am

Any hope of glass jetways at any of these new gates during the coming years?
 
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Any hope of glass jetways at any of these new gates during the coming years?



Illegal in the US
 
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jfklganyc wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Any hope of glass jetways at any of these new gates during the coming years?



Illegal in the US


Not anymore.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/27/ame ... t-bridges/
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:29 am

acavpics wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
acavpics wrote:
Any hope of glass jetways at any of these new gates during the coming years?



Illegal in the US


Not anymore.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/27/ame ... t-bridges/


Well look at that! I stand corrected!
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:57 am

FlyHPN wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
My question is where is Alaska going to go when BA closes up at T7 ?

I'm guessing after today's announcement, Alaska will be moving to T8.


AS is talking to PANYNJ and all leaseholders to determine the best location for them; I'd wager T8 is a good possibility, but it's not a slam-dunk.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:07 am

FlyHPN wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
My question is where is Alaska going to go when BA closes up at T7 ?

I'm guessing after today's announcement, Alaska will be moving to T8.

Not enough room. Alaska requires at least 2 narrowbody gates.
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:57 pm

EA CO AS wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
My question is where is Alaska going to go when BA closes up at T7 ?

I'm guessing after today's announcement, Alaska will be moving to T8.


AS is talking to PANYNJ and all leaseholders to determine the best location for them; I'd wager T8 is a good possibility, but it's not a slam-dunk.


Hence why I said “I’m guessing”.
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:14 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
acavpics wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:


Illegal in the US


Not anymore.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/27/ame ... t-bridges/


Well look at that! I stand corrected!


A couple of small airports like Wichita and Amarillo have them now. I think even SAN has one glass jetway
 
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acavpics wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
acavpics wrote:


Well look at that! I stand corrected!


A couple of small airports like Wichita and Amarillo have them now. I think even SAN has one glass jetway


SBA also has, and has had, glass jetways for years now.
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:45 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
My question is where is Alaska going to go when BA closes up at T7 ?

I'm guessing after today's announcement, Alaska will be moving to T8.

Not enough room. Alaska requires at least 2 narrowbody gates.



Have you been to T8 recently?

More than enough room.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:31 am

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Does anyone have an old photo with the incredible stained glass window and a bunch of 707s? Salivating


There is an excellent book called 'Recapturing the Dream - a design history of New York's JFK airport' by Mark Blacklock.
The book includes pictures of the stained glass windows at the front of the old AA terminal. Unfortunately the pictures are black and white, but you get the idea. They were designed by Robert Sowers.
The book also has small colour pictures of the gorgeous murals by Carybe over the entrances to the gates.
I believe that when the old terminal was demolished the stained glass windows were saved, with some panels now stored in New York and other panels in Dallas.
I think I read that, sadly, the murals could not be saved.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:50 pm

AA needs to build out T8 to its original design, mediocre modifications to won't work well in the end. While AA's own flights are not filling the building, the other OW airlines are and require a terminal worthy of New York as a destination. IAG, Cathay and Qantas shouldn't settle for less then at airports where they have only one flight daily.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:00 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
ozark1 wrote:
Does anyone have an old photo with the incredible stained glass window and a bunch of 707s? Salivating


There is an excellent book called 'Recapturing the Dream - a design history of New York's JFK airport' by Mark Blacklock.
The book includes pictures of the stained glass windows at the front of the old AA terminal. Unfortunately the pictures are black and white, but you get the idea. They were designed by Robert Sowers.
The book also has small colour pictures of the gorgeous murals by Carybe over the entrances to the gates.
I believe that when the old terminal was demolished the stained glass windows were saved, with some panels now stored in New York and other panels in Dallas.
I think I read that, sadly, the murals could not be saved.


I should have done some internet checking before posting. I've done that now!
There are, not surprisingly, plenty of pictures of the Robert Sowers stained glass windows on the web.
The windows were saved, but apart from panels that went to museums including the CR Smith museum at DFW, they are being sold off panel by panel. Here's your chance to own a little piece of history.
The good news is the Carybe murals were saved, and they are now at Miami airport. I hope to see them again one day.
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:59 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Have there been any rumblings regarding T4 airlines swapping over to T8 when LATAM moves into T4? I could see UX, CZ, or even LY making sense to move to T8. If no one is moving out of T4, I imagine there will be an increase in hardstand/bus ops.



It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A

How many gates at T4 are common-use and how many are owned by Delta?

China Southern is no longer in Skyteam. Perhaps they can rent a gate from AA in T8.

It is amazing that the owners of T4 allow Delta to rule the terminal with an iron fist. Over the last six years, Delta has pushed out several airlines from Concourse B. Before the Northwest merger, I don't Delta had any gates in T4.

I think the Port Authority should have forced Delta to keep using the flying saucer until T4A is expanded. If the demolished T3 South only, the flying saucer could have been reconfigured with 7 narrowbody gates.


What the Port Authority did was criminal, Delta rules T4 like if it was Atlanta. Killing the Pan Am Worldport without a replacement terminal was stupid, it squeezed JFK of one whole FIS acquiped terminal. Delta has gotten away with stuff neither PA or TWA did at the height of their power. I hope Jetblue is acquired and that powerful entity sticks to Delta. What AA and Alaska are doing in Seattle is the type of aggression Delta deserves against them.
 
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jfk777 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:


It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A

How many gates at T4 are common-use and how many are owned by Delta?

China Southern is no longer in Skyteam. Perhaps they can rent a gate from AA in T8.

It is amazing that the owners of T4 allow Delta to rule the terminal with an iron fist. Over the last six years, Delta has pushed out several airlines from Concourse B. Before the Northwest merger, I don't Delta had any gates in T4.

I think the Port Authority should have forced Delta to keep using the flying saucer until T4A is expanded. If the demolished T3 South only, the flying saucer could have been reconfigured with 7 narrowbody gates.


What the Port Authority did was criminal, Delta rules T4 like if it was Atlanta. Killing the Pan Am Worldport without a replacement terminal was stupid, it squeezed JFK of one whole FIS acquiped terminal. Delta has gotten away with stuff neither PA or TWA did at the height of their power. I hope Jetblue is acquired and that powerful entity sticks to Delta. What AA and Alaska are doing in Seattle is the type of aggression Delta deserves against them.


AA is launching Seattle-Bangalore in October. Delta doesn’t know what to do. Why doesn’t JFK use mobile lounges anymore?
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 6:47 am

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What the Port Authority did was criminal, Delta rules T4 like if it was Atlanta. Killing the Pan Am Worldport without a replacement terminal was stupid, it squeezed JFK of one whole FIS acquiped terminal. Delta has gotten away with stuff neither PA or TWA did at the height of their power. I hope Jetblue is acquired and that powerful entity sticks to Delta. What AA and Alaska are doing in Seattle is the type of aggression Delta deserves against them.


Oh wow.
 
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It is quite crowded

A big step back for Latam. One gate, planes parked on hardstands, and a landing plane waiting for a gate yesterday morning

Partners aside, this was a stupid move for them given ample space in T8 until T4 is expanded

And Delta isnt giving them a gate from their portfolio...they are in common use gates at the end of A


It does sound crazy, especially since there are probably very few passengers connecting LA-DL at JFK.

According to LA’s website, LA J passengers have access to the DL Sky Club in T4B. What a hike.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:08 am

jfklganyc wrote:
acavpics wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:

Illegal in the US


Not anymore.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2019/01/27/ame ... t-bridges/


Well look at that! I stand corrected!


Interesting:

For some time, obtaining glass jet bridges was a major issue for airports as the glass structure violated fire safety laws. According to the National Fire Protection Association Fire Safety Code 415, the use of translucent windows or walls in airport bridges was not encouraged out of airport operational windows as the material could cause pedestrian congestion as people stop to look at any fire or cause people to be exposed to seeing traumatic scenes when trying to flee to safety.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:09 am

Unrelated - is the old Evergreen HQ still vacant?
 
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questions wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
acavpics wrote:


Well look at that! I stand corrected!


Interesting:

For some time, obtaining glass jet bridges was a major issue for airports as the glass structure violated fire safety laws. According to the National Fire Protection Association Fire Safety Code 415, the use of translucent windows or walls in airport bridges was not encouraged out of airport operational windows as the material could cause pedestrian congestion as people stop to look at any fire or cause people to be exposed to seeing traumatic scenes when trying to flee to safety.


That’s interesting info. I always wondered why.

I always found it interesting how AA’s original jetbridges at LGA...which lasted from the 1960s into the late 80s...had windows. This was not a design shared by other jetbridges at the airport. Then again...back in the day...AA’s operation at LGA was unique in other ways too...such as the use in the late 70s/very early 80s of mobile lounges at LGA. This was when AA had a huge operation there, including nonstops to cities in Ohio; upstate NY; and other “inside perimeter” such as DTW, and SDF. The mobile lounges docked in the hangar closest to the terminal; and a large common holding lounge was constructed within the hangar structure (which was later converted into office space. The mobile lounge access doors were still evident at least into the late 80s.
 
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Re: JFK Terminal 8 Renovation Thread (2020)

Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:59 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
questions wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:

Well look at that! I stand corrected!


Interesting:

For some time, obtaining glass jet bridges was a major issue for airports as the glass structure violated fire safety laws. According to the National Fire Protection Association Fire Safety Code 415, the use of translucent windows or walls in airport bridges was not encouraged out of airport operational windows as the material could cause pedestrian congestion as people stop to look at any fire or cause people to be exposed to seeing traumatic scenes when trying to flee to safety.


That’s interesting info. I always wondered why.

I always found it interesting how AA’s original jetbridges at LGA...which lasted from the 1960s into the late 80s...had windows. This was not a design shared by other jetbridges at the airport. Then again...back in the day...AA’s operation at LGA was unique in other ways too...such as the use in the late 70s/very early 80s of mobile lounges at LGA. This was when AA had a huge operation there, including nonstops to cities in Ohio; upstate NY; and other “inside perimeter” such as DTW, and SDF. The mobile lounges docked in the hangar closest to the terminal; and a large common holding lounge was constructed within the hangar structure (which was later converted into office space. The mobile lounge access doors were still evident at least into the late 80s.

Are mobile lounges only used at slot controlled airports?
 
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Re: JFK Terminal 8 Renovation Thread (2020)

Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:23 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
questions wrote:

Interesting:

For some time, obtaining glass jet bridges was a major issue for airports as the glass structure violated fire safety laws. According to the National Fire Protection Association Fire Safety Code 415, the use of translucent windows or walls in airport bridges was not encouraged out of airport operational windows as the material could cause pedestrian congestion as people stop to look at any fire or cause people to be exposed to seeing traumatic scenes when trying to flee to safety.


That’s interesting info. I always wondered why.

I always found it interesting how AA’s original jetbridges at LGA...which lasted from the 1960s into the late 80s...had windows. This was not a design shared by other jetbridges at the airport. Then again...back in the day...AA’s operation at LGA was unique in other ways too...such as the use in the late 70s/very early 80s of mobile lounges at LGA. This was when AA had a huge operation there, including nonstops to cities in Ohio; upstate NY; and other “inside perimeter” such as DTW, and SDF. The mobile lounges docked in the hangar closest to the terminal; and a large common holding lounge was constructed within the hangar structure (which was later converted into office space. The mobile lounge access doors were still evident at least into the late 80s.

Are mobile lounges only used at slot controlled airports?


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Re: JFK Terminal 8 Renovation Thread (2020)

Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:29 pm

It would be ironic if this downturn halts much of the JFK rebuild...and AA is the only one that got a shovel in the ground.

what a mess...
 
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Re: JFK Terminal 8 Renovation Thread (2020)

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:59 pm

Many terminals need to be built at JFK , the Coronavirus is not stopping the huge and needed terminal 1. AA at terminal 8 needs the expansion for British Airways.

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