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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:09 am

Lemieux wrote:
https://twitter.com/MohamadAhwaze/status/1214754250661781504?s=19 another video of it supposedly coming down

Gut retching. From this video it would not surprise me if it was shot down.

I feel horrible politicizing a discussion about a tragedy but in the current climate I feel it needs to be done: It is of absolute ZERO benefit to Iran, to intentionally shoot down an airliner of a neutral country. I believe that if the aircraft was shot down, it was mistaken by air defense operators as a military aircraft. How that happened, I do not know. The sheer negligence that would require is astounding. This will absolutely draw international condemnation, and I anticipate the US to use this as an excuse for regime change war, and try to drag the rest of NATO into it.

I want to remind you all that when a US Naval warship shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, over foreign airspace, they received medals, and our president publicly stated that he would never apologize for the incident. I request ideological consistency in condemnation from those of you who wish to use this incident to beat the drums of war.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:09 am

edealinfo wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Wow Iran I sure hope this isn't a terror attack or shoot down of an miss ID aircraft.


Why would they shoot down an airplane legitimately taking off from the centre of their own country? I just can't really fathom how they would make such a gross mistake, unless their airspace had been massively breached already, in which case civilian flights would have been grounded.

As for a terror attack, that would seem like an unlikely target, unless they targeted someone aboard specifically.

I'll wait for the details, but sorting through the general chaos and hysteria is going to be tough.

In any case, I'll wait until the mainstream media reports on this. There is no confirmation of anything so far, just internet-propagated rumors.


The US suspended all flights over the Gulf hours before the plane crashed. Did the US know something in advance?

Yeah, how about the missiles flying around the area that everyone else knew about?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:10 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.


Took off at 6.12am according to FR, what time is sunrise in Tehran?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:10 am

SumChristianus wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.

Departure time was 5:15 AM

and flight stats shows the plane still in the air, .. somehow... https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-tracker/PS/752?year=2020&month=01&date=08&flightId=1027215904


There is nothing on UIA's website about this, and KBP's website still shows the flight as expected around 8:10am.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:10 am

dampfnudel wrote:
Engine fire possibly. RIP to the passengers and crew. :tombstone:


No.....an engine fire does not crash an airliner.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:11 am

AeroplaneFreak wrote:
dampfnudel wrote:
Engine fire possibly. RIP to the passengers and crew. :tombstone:


Looking at the early ADS-B data it would have to been a fire that escalated extremely quickly as the flight looks very normal up until contact is lost.

Yeah, one of the wings was probably fully engulfed. It’s tragic.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:12 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.


Took off at 6.12am according to FR, what time is sunrise in Tehran?


7.14am.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:13 am

None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:13 am

DylanHarvey wrote:
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1214759788757864455
Unconfirmed but an accidental shooting down of the aircraft.


Take with a major grain of salt for now
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:14 am

https://twitter.com/alhadath/status/121 ... 85664?s=21

Accidentally shot down by an Iranian missile by this source.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:14 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


On all their websites, news alerts all over my phone!
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:14 am

dampfnudel wrote:
AeroplaneFreak wrote:
dampfnudel wrote:
Engine fire possibly. RIP to the passengers and crew. :tombstone:


Looking at the early ADS-B data it would have to been a fire that escalated extremely quickly as the flight looks very normal up until contact is lost.

Yeah, one of the wings was probably fully engulfed. It’s tragic.


Yep pretty hard to believe "technical issues" if that video is accurate. Unfortunately early signs are pointing to foul play.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:14 am

edu2703 wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1214759788757864455
Unconfirmed but an accidental shooting down of the aircraft.


Take with a major grain of salt for now

Yep of course, lets wait until major networks come out with stuff. Just wanted to put it out there.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:15 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


Al Jazeera English is showing text on the news ticker, but not much else.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:15 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


I’ve seen reports and news notifications from CNN and BBC. On the front page of both sites. Looks eerily official to me.

CNN coverage here: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleea ... index.html

BBC coverage here: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:15 am

The thing to remember is there are a lot of groups in Iran acting independent of the government, who are very angry at the moment as a result of the past few days activities. It is very possible one of them on their own mistook this plane for another and shot it down without the knowledge of the Iranian govt.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:15 am

edealinfo wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Wow Iran I sure hope this isn't a terror attack or shoot down of an miss ID aircraft.


Why would they shoot down an airplane legitimately taking off from the centre of their own country? I just can't really fathom how they would make such a gross mistake, unless their airspace had been massively breached already, in which case civilian flights would have been grounded.

As for a terror attack, that would seem like an unlikely target, unless they targeted someone aboard specifically.

I'll wait for the details, but sorting through the general chaos and hysteria is going to be tough.

In any case, I'll wait until the mainstream media reports on this. There is no confirmation of anything so far, just internet-propagated rumors.


The US suspended all flights over the Gulf hours before the plane crashed. Did the US know something in advance?


I doubt it. Given the worries about the conflict becoming very active, I am not surprised that the no-go signal was given.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:15 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleea ... index.html
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:16 am

airboss787 wrote:
Why would Iran blow up a Ukranian plane? Unless of course it's a mistake. Aviation is very easy to victimise unfortunately.

.


Could there be any important US person or people on the plane?

Clutching at straws

And not necessarily Iran. But some kind of Iran extremists.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:16 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


New York Times just ran it

I would be absolutely shocked if this crash was not caused by something nefarious
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:16 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


I would think they realize that this could be an accidental shooting down of a civilian aircraft by the Iranian military and don't want to run with that.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:16 am

Are we sure it really even happened though, BuzzFeed reported earlier about lots of misinformation about the missile strikes and repurposed videos.
I know ADSB and FlightAware, of course, but you never know given the situation.
Don't know what there would be to gain, for a fake, but...
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:17 am

uta999 wrote:
Trigger happy air defences perhaps.

That would be my guess.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:18 am

chrisp390 wrote:
The thing to remember is there are a lot of groups in Iran acting independent of the government, who are very angry at the moment as a result of the past few days activities. It is very possible one of them on their own mistook this plane for another and shot it down without the knowledge of the Iranian govt.

random groups that can shoot down airplanes at 080?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:19 am

VS4ever wrote:
Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleea ... index.html


He meant live TV. CNN and MSNBC still not reporting it.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:19 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


I would think they realize that this could be an accidental shooting down of a civilian aircraft by the Iranian military and don't want to run with that.

or, they realize it does not fit the approved narratives, and are awaiting new talking points.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:19 am

View AUI752 on the FlightAware website - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/A ... edule-0000
Well this is eerie for sure
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:20 am

32andBelow wrote:
chrisp390 wrote:
The thing to remember is there are a lot of groups in Iran acting independent of the government, who are very angry at the moment as a result of the past few days activities. It is very possible one of them on their own mistook this plane for another and shot it down without the knowledge of the Iranian govt.

random groups that can shoot down airplanes at 080?


Wasn’t there some sort of warning issued by aviation authorities about the potential for groups having manpads in the region several weeks ago? A misidentification is far more likely... but not impossible it would’ve been a separate group
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:20 am

VS4ever wrote:
Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleea ... index.html


I guess they are now. They weren't reporting when I last checked! This is absolutely tragic!
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:21 am

Halophila wrote:
View AUI752 on the FlightAware website - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/A ... edule-0000
Well this is eerie for sure


All of the positions are estimated since shortly after takeoff.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:21 am

Halophila wrote:
View AUI752 on the FlightAware website - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/A ... edule-0000
Well this is eerie for sure

There’s no radar track
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:22 am

Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


MSNBC just reported it very quickly, with no analysis.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:22 am

NIKV69 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51029994

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleea ... index.html


He meant live TV. CNN and MSNBC still not reporting it.



Yeah. I was switching back and forth from CNN to FOX News the whole night, given the other major developments there.... (trying to see both sides of the argument), but there was no mention of any plane crash. I have since turned off the TV and came upstairs in my office, to follow this on my PC.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:22 am

32andBelow wrote:
chrisp390 wrote:
The thing to remember is there are a lot of groups in Iran acting independent of the government, who are very angry at the moment as a result of the past few days activities. It is very possible one of them on their own mistook this plane for another and shot it down without the knowledge of the Iranian govt.

random groups that can shoot down airplanes at 080?

MH17... The world has become very intertwined, so many agendas, alliances, forces, organizations in play...

Interested wrote:
And not necessarily Iran. But some kind of Iran extremists.

Confused, just confused, and don't want to go to bed
This has been a crazy day, even halfway around the world.

Has Boeing made a statment?
Maybe it's time to rename all 737s to something else...
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:22 am

Halophila wrote:
View AUI752 on the FlightAware website - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/A ... edule-0000
Well this is eerie for sure


What's eerie? It also has full tracking stopping at approx 8000tft. It clearly says "estimate" for its current location which is normal for FlightAware when a flight goes out of contact with radar or ADS-B receiver.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:23 am

32andBelow wrote:
Halophila wrote:
View AUI752 on the FlightAware website - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/A ... edule-0000
Well this is eerie for sure

There’s no radar track


The last ADS-B data seems to indicate a significant change in direction. Not sure that means anything, just thought it was interesting given that everything else seems perfectly normal.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:23 am

SumChristianus wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
chrisp390 wrote:
The thing to remember is there are a lot of groups in Iran acting independent of the government, who are very angry at the moment as a result of the past few days activities. It is very possible one of them on their own mistook this plane for another and shot it down without the knowledge of the Iranian govt.

random groups that can shoot down airplanes at 080?

MH17... The world has become very intertwined, so many agendas, alliances, forces, organizations in play...

Interested wrote:
And not necessarily Iran. But some kind of Iran extremists.

Confused, just confused, and don't want to go to bed
This has been a crazy day, even halfway around the world.

Has Boeing made a statment?
Maybe it's time to rename all 737s to something else...

MH17 was shot down by Russia
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:24 am

If that video linked above is accurate, that aircraft was breaking apart as it fell. Reminds me more of TWA 800 or a missile strike than a “technical malfunction.” With that fireball at the end, I’m praying for the victims, but preparing for the worst. Doesn’t look good to me.

Additionally, more and more media sources are running the story. Just a crash announcement, but it’s something. Twitter is running with it too, “Boeing 737” is trending.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:24 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Are we sure it really even happened though, BuzzFeed reported earlier about lots of misinformation about the missile strikes and repurposed videos.
I know ADSB and FlightAware, of course, but you never know given the situation.
Don't know what there would be to gain, for a fake, but...

Buzzfeed is good at make the “20 best boyfriend fails” lists, I’ll stick with CNN and BBC who are real journalistic sources
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:25 am

This. Calm people, knee jerk reactions are going ape here right now. RIP to those who undoubtedly lost their lives in this crash, if those videos are legitimate.

Francoflier wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Wow Iran I sure hope this isn't a terror attack or shoot down of an miss ID aircraft.


Why would they shoot down an airplane legitimately taking off from the centre of their own country? I just can't really fathom how they would make such a gross mistake, unless their airspace had been massively breached already, in which case civilian flights would have been grounded.

As for a terror attack, that would seem like an unlikely target, unless they targeted someone aboard specifically.

I'll wait for the details, but sorting through the general chaos and hysteria is going to be tough.

In any case, I'll wait until the mainstream media reports on this. There is no confirmation of anything so far, just internet-propagated rumors.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:25 am

I would hate to think this is some sort of wink at Russia about whose on whose side just incase war breaks out.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:26 am

There is a FOG of war at the moment. Its not really clear from the video that's even a 737. Having said that, air defenses are around IKA and its plausible someone shot at it by accident. I doubt they'd do it on purpose. RIP
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:27 am

solarflyer22 wrote:
There is a FOG of war at the moment. Its not really clear from the video that's even a 737. Having said that, air defenses are around IKA and its plausible someone shot at it by accident. I doubt they'd do it on purpose. RIP

You can’t make mistakes like that one a day like today.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:29 am

AeroplaneFreak wrote:
Interested wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
Why would Iran blow up a Ukranian plane? Unless of course it's a mistake. Aviation is very easy to victimise unfortunately.

.


Could there be any important US person or people on the plane?

Clutching at straws

And not necessarily Iran. But some kind of Iran extremists.


Possibly because it's an American built plane.


But even the local airlines have Boeing aircraft and they could have destroyed a plane in the ground as well without killing innocent people but still send a similar message.

It could also be that they wanted to attack the US without directly doing that because they know if that happens they are done for.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:29 am

Can we calm it down with the conspiracy theories 5 minutes after the plane goes down? A bunch of people just died.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:30 am

Brandon757 wrote:
That’s the biggest coincidence in history if it was an accident.


my immediate first thought was that the best case scenario is this is an isolated accident has tragically poor timing, à la AA587 post-9/11. but we all have common sense.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:31 am

Lets all get some solid data before we wildly speculate.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:32 am

A truly tragic happening, just horrible.

That said, it's practically inconceivable that an "engine fire" or other technical issue would destroy an aircraft within 3 minutes of departure, IN THIS FIREY WAY.

On the other hand, I can't think up any reason that Iran or rebels would shoot down an airliner as it departed Tehran... and was operated by totally disinterested Ukraine.

Unless, of course, Iraq shot it down in retaliation?

The situation is getting very, very complex.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:33 am

TexStones wrote:
Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


MSNBC just reported it very quickly, with no analysis.

Probably is too early to have anythng to analyze
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Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos