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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:38 am

Hi all, kindly refrain from posting unsubtaintiated claims without evidences or proof (for example who shoot who down who, American/ Iranian kills XXX). 180 pax and crew may have perished in the crash. Please have some decency, thanks. Any post relating to this will be deleted. For those who have flagged such post(s), thank you.

We have also removed Twitter links or photo as those photos illustrate how remains or blood.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:41 am

 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:44 am

Does anyone have information on where is the crash located?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:46 am

YouGeeElWhy wrote:

Everyone is just quoting this al hadath account.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:53 am

What I would like is that the aircraft had some malfunction and disappeared from but is still on the way and will land safely in Kiev. This is the last thing Boeing wants. Praying for everyone on board and the families of all those onboard.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:53 am

So who is going to investigate?

Obviously the NTSB and Boeing aren't. I highly doubt anyone from another country's aviation investigation bureaus wants to travel to Tehran right now. And there's not a chance in hell Iran has the knowledge or experience to investigate this, not that I'd expect them to be honest if they did shoot it down.

Will we ever know the real cause?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:54 am

Some sources now saying there were 167 on board
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:54 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Departure time was 5:15 AM

and flight stats shows the plane still in the air, .. somehow... https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-tracker/PS/752?year=2020&month=01&date=08&flightId=1027215904

5:15 am local time is the scheduled departured time. Flightradar 24 recorded the aircraft start taxiing at 6:08.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:55 am

airboss787 wrote:
What I would like is that the aircraft had some malfunction and disappeared from but is still on the way and will land safely in Kiev. This is the last thing Boeing wants. Praying for everyone on board and the families of all those onboard.


Why is this a Boeing issue?

This plane was on fire with souls on board. Or a volatile area. Someone got trigger happy and took innocent lives.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:55 am

Sky News reporting all dead.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:56 am

To me it looks like there was an explosion on board.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:56 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
https://twitter.com/MohamadAhwaze/status/1214754250661781504?s=19 another video of it supposedly coming down

Gut retching. From this video it would not surprise me if it was shot down.

I feel horrible politicizing a discussion about a tragedy but in the current climate I feel it needs to be done: It is of absolute ZERO benefit to Iran, to intentionally shoot down an airliner of a neutral country. I believe that if the aircraft was shot down, it was mistaken by air defense operators as a military aircraft. How that happened, I do not know. The sheer negligence that would require is astounding. This will absolutely draw international condemnation, and I anticipate the US to use this as an excuse for regime change war, and try to drag the rest of NATO into it.

I want to remind you all that when a US Naval warship shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, over foreign airspace, they received medals, and our president publicly stated that he would never apologize for the incident. I request ideological consistency in condemnation from those of you who wish to use this incident to beat the drums of war.


We get it, you don’t like America. That doesn’t mean you have to spread false information. President Reagan sent a letter to Iran apologizing for the incident and the US also paid out settlements to the families of all onboard.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:56 am

CNN and MSNBC live TV broadcast still no mention of this crash. Very interesting.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:57 am

Aviation737 wrote:
Does anyone have information on where is the crash located?
Last ping was in vicinity of 35.501609, 50.925865 headed northwest.

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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:57 am

Thought this bit from a CNN article were interesting...

Most passengers on board the Ukraine International Airlines flight died, said Pirhossein Koulivand, head of Iran's Emergency Medical Services.
Emergency crews have been dispatched to the crash site but cannot assist because the area is currently ablaze, Koulivand said on IRINN, a state-run media outlet. Koulivand said the crash site is between the cities of Parand and Shahriar.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/middleea ... index.html
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:58 am

If this was an issue with an Iranian missile or other contraption, press access will be restricted. If this was some other thing, such as US missile or a mechanical issue, there will be plenty of footage of the crash site.

I actually think this could be a mechanical issue and it might have just been coincidental. Hopefully the numbers in board is over calculated and it doesn't look great. RIP
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:58 am

NIKV69 wrote:
CNN and MSNBC live TV broadcast still no mention of this crash. Very interesting.


Why? Is any 24hr new channel running with this yet? what can they report that you think can cover more than a couple of minutes?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:59 am

I am a premium FFP passenger with Ukraine International Airlines (МАУ), based in Kyiv, Ukraine. I do on average about 30 segments per year with them. It is an airline with poor service, bizarre business model, awful owners, but impeccable safety record and great attention to their flight crews training, mostly new and well-maintained all-Boeing fleet, which consists of a few dozen 738, a couple of 767 and a few 777. UIA is great for short no-frills flights that get you from point A to point B.

This is the biggest airline accident in the history of Ukrainian aviation (not counting the shooting down of MH17 by the Russians, which happened over the territory of Ukraine).
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:00 am

Supposed wreckage and images from the site.

RIP to those on board.

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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:00 am

RIP to all those who have perished. Going to be a difficult time for the victim's families as the blame game begins.

TexStones wrote:
Vio wrote:
None of the major networks are reporting this... CNN has not said anything about. BBC or CBC... nothing.


MSNBC just reported it very quickly, with no analysis.


ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
CNN and MSNBC live TV broadcast still no mention of this crash. Very interesting.


Why? Is any 24hr new channel running with this yet? what can they report that you think can cover more than a couple of minutes?



What's wrong with that? Better for them to take their time and verify details than to rush something on air and make an ass out of themselves by getting important information wrong.

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Buzzfeed is good at make the “20 best boyfriend fails” lists, I’ll stick with CNN and BBC who are real journalistic sources

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YouGeeElWhy wrote:


Forgive me if I'm not enthusiastic about trusting info from a random twitter account with a meme as their profile picture. ;)
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:06 am

ual763 wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Lemieux wrote:
https://twitter.com/MohamadAhwaze/status/1214754250661781504?s=19 another video of it supposedly coming down

Gut retching. From this video it would not surprise me if it was shot down.

I feel horrible politicizing a discussion about a tragedy but in the current climate I feel it needs to be done: It is of absolute ZERO benefit to Iran, to intentionally shoot down an airliner of a neutral country. I believe that if the aircraft was shot down, it was mistaken by air defense operators as a military aircraft. How that happened, I do not know. The sheer negligence that would require is astounding. This will absolutely draw international condemnation, and I anticipate the US to use this as an excuse for regime change war, and try to drag the rest of NATO into it.

I want to remind you all that when a US Naval warship shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, over foreign airspace, they received medals, and our president publicly stated that he would never apologize for the incident. I request ideological consistency in condemnation from those of you who wish to use this incident to beat the drums of war.


We get it, you don’t like America. That doesn’t mean you have to spread false information. President Reagan sent a letter to Iran apologizing for the incident and the US also paid out settlements to the families of all onboard.

I was referring to President Bush saying he was "not an apologize for America kind of guy". I am an American so I don't see how I can dislike America
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:08 am

Very unlikely that Iran will let Boeing or NTSB participate in investigations with current tensions. This could end up undermining investigations or even facilitating a cover up if the aircraft was really shot down by a missile.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:11 am

CNN just finally mentioned something about it
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:12 am

Cuomo on CNN finally breaks this crash uses video of it falling from the sky.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:12 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
CNN and MSNBC live TV broadcast still no mention of this crash. Very interesting.


Why? Is any 24hr new channel running with this yet? what can they report that you think can cover more than a couple of minutes?


On RT News for about 2 mins, BBC World News for 3, and quick quick, Chris Cuomo is currently discussing on CNN right now!
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:15 am

Absolutely tragic. I would guess there were a number of people on the flight wanting to get out of Tehran to because of the escalating issues.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:17 am

zkojq wrote:
Forgive me if I'm not enthusiastic about trusting info from a random twitter account with a meme as their profile picture. ;)

The info actually came from a verified Twitter account @AlHadath (https://twitter.com/AlHadath), belongs to an Arabic language news site.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:17 am

Aircraft data seems to just suddenly stop at 8000ft in climb, I understand these websites aren’t the best sources at all times but this does not look good to not support the class of a shoot down.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:18 am

I take it this plane spent the night on the ground in Tehran?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:19 am

Most of people in Ukraine celebrating Christmas today (Tuesday). Some of those on the plane probably did it too... RIP
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:19 am

Good lord. RIP to those onboard.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:20 am

https://twitter.com/alihashem_tv/status ... 77250?s=21

A friend thinks she sees the strobe light flash between 00:03 & 00:05 which is different to 00:06 which may potentially show pieces coming off the aircraft. Point is does anyone see it too?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:20 am

The Concorde and AA191 ended in fiery crashes soon after takeoff. So both theoretically and realistically an explanation other than bombs or missiles is possible.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:20 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Cuomo on CNN finally breaks this crash uses video of it falling from the sky.


Yeah. And it was pretty painful how much he stressed that this incident wasn't related to the missile strike. Not saying he should have said it was related. But as much as he said it was in fact not related, I think was a bit desperate and not based in any more fact than had he said it was related.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:20 am

Is it a coincidence that the Ukranian plane crashed at exactly the same time that Iran fired off a bunch of missiles towards Iraq? Isn't it always a risk that one of those missiles could hit a civilian plane? I'm wondering if the airport there also has a military section and it could be from there that some of the missiles were fired. To me the fact that some people filmed it coming down seems to indicate that there was some kind of noise that caused people to start looking up into the air. A plane that was functioning normally and climbing after take off, then suddenly coming down in flames was either hit by a missile or had a bomb on board.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:21 am

What a tragic news to start the day. RIP to all those who perished

DylanHarvey wrote:
https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/1214759788757864455
Unconfirmed but an accidental shooting down of the aircraft.

Al-Hadath is a Saudi funded news outlet. Take anything they report with a truck load of salt
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:24 am

dc863 wrote:
I take it this plane spent the night on the ground in Tehran?

The aircraft arrived a few hours before. Around 1 am local time.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:26 am

[quote="zkojq"What's wrong with that? Better for them to take their time and verify details than to rush something on air and make an ass out of themselves by getting important information wrong]

I’m assuming you’re excluding CNN aviation reporting in this statement. :lol: :banghead:
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:30 am

Iran just launched those missiles at Iraqi US bases and were extraordinary stressed by probable US retaliation, which would have come by air. Thus iran AA were on extremely high alert.

Wrong moment to fly in Iran airspace. Who let that plane take off in the middle of the crisis ?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:30 am

Al-Hadath is now saying "It is speculated" that the aircraft was shot down, citing FR24 data.

Basically, they have no confirmation that the aircraft has been shot down.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:31 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
Is it a coincidence that the Ukranian plane crashed at exactly the same time that Iran fired off a bunch of missiles towards Iraq? Isn't it always a risk that one of those missiles could hit a civilian plane? I'm wondering if the airport there also has a military section and it could be from there that some of the missiles were fired. To me the fact that some people filmed it coming down seems to indicate that there was some kind of noise that caused people to start looking up into the air. A plane that was functioning normally and climbing after take off, then suddenly coming down in flames was either hit by a missile or had a bomb on board.

The rockets that hit the US bases had already hit the ground by the time this had happened.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:32 am

SuseJ772 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Cuomo on CNN finally breaks this crash uses video of it falling from the sky.


Yeah. And it was pretty painful how much he stressed that this incident wasn't related to the missile strike. Not saying he should have said it was related. But as much as he said it was in fact not related, I think was a bit desperate and not based in any more fact than had he said it was related.


Yep him and guest couldn't get off the subject fast enough but I think in the upcoming days a different picture will be painted.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:33 am

reffado wrote:
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That engine photos seems to show an uncontained engine failure.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:34 am

Adipocere wrote:
The Concorde and AA191 ended in fiery crashes soon after takeoff. So both theoretically and realistically an explanation other than bombs or missiles is possible.


AA191 left an engine on the runway; Concorde was on fire from the instant it left the runway. From the Flightaware data, the Ukraine jet was climbing normally at nearly 3000 feet per minute when it suddenly disappeared. Not comparable, from what we know so far.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:36 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
Is it a coincidence that the Ukranian plane crashed at exactly the same time that Iran fired off a bunch of missiles towards Iraq? Isn't it always a risk that one of those missiles could hit a civilian plane? I'm wondering if the airport there also has a military section and it could be from there that some of the missiles were fired. To me the fact that some people filmed it coming down seems to indicate that there was some kind of noise that caused people to start looking up into the air. A plane that was functioning normally and climbing after take off, then suddenly coming down in flames was either hit by a missile or had a bomb on board.


I wouldn’t speculate on Iranian military or government involvement into this until we at least get the reports on flight data recorders. Iran certainly has zero interest in hitting a civil airliner at this point, and has no problem in relations with Ukraine either.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:36 am

zeke wrote:
reffado wrote:
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That engine photos seems to show an uncontained engine failure.


There is absolutely no way you could tell that from this photo.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:36 am

edu2703 wrote:
Al-Hadath is now saying "It is speculated" that the aircraft was shot down, citing FR24 data.

Basically, they have no confirmation that the aircraft has been shot down.

They are the worst place to source news about Iran because it is always politically motivated.
This is not to say the plane was Not shot down, but all the news now about the cause is mere speculations
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:39 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
Is it a coincidence that the Ukranian plane crashed at exactly the same time that Iran fired off a bunch of missiles towards Iraq? Isn't it always a risk that one of those missiles could hit a civilian plane? I'm wondering if the airport there also has a military section and it could be from there that some of the missiles were fired. To me the fact that some people filmed it coming down seems to indicate that there was some kind of noise that caused people to start looking up into the air. A plane that was functioning normally and climbing after take off, then suddenly coming down in flames was either hit by a missile or had a bomb on board.


The kind of missiles Iran shot at US bases in Iraq is very different from what would be used to shoot an airplane down.

It does indeed not really look like the result of a mechanical failure (although still a possibility), but if it had indeed been targeted by a missile, I'd suspect a light, shoulder-fired missile the kind which rebel groups could get their hands on.
This does not have the hallmark of an Iran army action, they would know better than this, but as said above, there are a few armed militant groups in Iran that the government doesn't control, and who would be disorganised and clueless enough to do something this stupid.

We'll have to wait and see.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:41 am

Condolences to everyone affected.

This is exactly what Boeing does not need at this moment. Nothing confirmed as of now, but this crash won't help the perception of Boeing especially if it was caused by a mechanical problem.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:42 am

ikolkyo wrote:
zeke wrote:
reffado wrote:
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That engine photos seems to show an uncontained engine failure.


There is absolutely no way you could tell that from this photo.


There is a large hole in the side of engine where the HPT would be (in the 2 o’clock position as we look at it now) as well evidence of heating of the metal in the 12 o’clock position)

That large hole should not be there, the metal should be the same colour around the circumference.
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