Look no further than MH17.
The operators of the BUK that shot down MH17 were a bunch of lowly rebels who IIRC had no training on the equipment whatsoever (it was just mysteriously "given" to them by Russia). Hence for them shooting down a civilian target was probably inevitable given that the airspace was only closed below FL330. One would think that the Iranians would have their best and brightest AA team on the unit which was "protecting" their capital.
Why you assume that? There was massive escalation of tensions and it is possible reserve units of the military were called in. I don't know exactly how the Iranian military operates, but given the estimates that it is one of the largest forces in region, it is certainly not 100% professional, but relying on reservists as well.
And who says that missile system protected very valuable targets? SA-15 is short to medium range, not all that useful to defend yourself from the high flying bombers.
Why have the system in Tehran then?
What would Boeing have to be dishonest about in this investigation?
Boeing's biggest customer isn't Emirates, it isn't American or United and it isn't Ryanair. Boeing's biggest customer by far is the Pentagon who is by no means a neutral party in this.
Witnesses told a CBS reporter they saw a truck and heavy equipment come on Thursday and take away most of the 737s wreckage.
The Iranian government has not released the location that the wreckage was taken.
CBS News film crew is reporting the crash site was large and they were only allowed to view one part of it, but after they visited the crash scene, eyewitnesses told the reporters that larger pieces of the jet's fuselage and cockpit had been removed on large army trucks. The eyewitnesses said removal of both the wreckage and bodies of the victims by Iranian military teams began the day of the crash.
There's nothing left for the foreign investigators to investigate.
CBS crew just visited the #Ukrainian airlines crash site west of Tehran. Nine am local time. Virtually all pieces of the plane were removed yesterday - say locals. Scavengers now picking site clean. No security. Not cordoned off. No sign of any investigators.https://twitter.com/elizapalmer/status/ ... 3961630720
This is all fairly standard stuff. Once investigators have thoroughly canvassed the site, taken thousands of photographs and removed the bodies, off course the wreckage is going to be removed and put into storage for further investigation. Usually the investigators will put the pieces back together in a warehouse somewhere. Unless the aircraft is in a difficult place to get to (MH370 in a warzone, US1549 needing to be fished out of the river etc) it will be removed fairly promptly. How long do you expect it to be left there
Two thoughts about that: 1) the trajectory of the aircraft prior to impact is a lot shallower than what other videos seem to have shown 2) why are so many people filming air from a long way away at ~0500 in the morning whilst driving?
5. Intentional shootdown of the Wrong flight.
Slightly more likely than above, but what other commercial flight would they have been targeting instead?
Thoughts? Any other theories?
Why do you think they were trying to shoot down a commercial flight? You don't think that maybe they were trying to shoot down a military flight?
Does anybody have an estimate how quickly are aircraft parts removed when there is an accident on easily accessible terrain in western countries?
IIRC US1549 was lifted out of the water on the night following the accident that's (~12 hours) and put on a barge the following day.
Bits of ET302 were removed the day after the accident.
FZ981 was removed 48 hours after.