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Iran admits to accidentally shooting down Ukraine Flight 752

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:33 am

Came across this on Twitter, not sure if it’s accurate or not:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... 60256?s=21

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... 24480?s=21

The aircraft apparently had 180 passengers & crew onboard.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:41 am

 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:41 am

Other accounts on twitter say Iranian state media reports it had a “technical fault after taking off”... totally unconfirmed, but if it was indeed a Ukrainian airliner, would imagine it would be PS752 headed to Kiev based on the timeline
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:41 am

Playback from FR24. Up to 8000 feet and then, nothing. Sounds uh, not great to say the least. https://fr24.com/data/flights/ps752#23732569
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:41 am

AP also reporting
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:42 am

Special wrote:
Came across this on Twitter, not sure if it’s accurate or not:

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... 60256?s=21

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/stat ... 24480?s=21

The aircraft apparently had 180 passengers & crew onboard.


BLOOMBERG now reporting as well, saying confirmed by INSA:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ical-issue
A surface to air missile is considered a "technical issue"?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:42 am

I'm sure information is very scarce at this moment and who knows how accurate it is, but it's apparently being reported as a "technical issue"

A Boeing 737 jet crashed in Iran shortly after take off due to a technical issue, Iranian state-run news outlet ISNA reported. The plane, which was carrying 180 passengers and crew, was bound for Ukraine.


https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/arti ... ical-issue
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:45 am

Totally coincidental I’m sure.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:45 am

Aircraft is UR-PSR, a 3-year old 737-800

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ?refresh=1
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:47 am

budgetflyer wrote:
Aircraft is UR-PSR, a 3-year old 737-800

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ?refresh=1

Brand new plane? The board room in Chicago is praying it’s a missile.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:47 am

Looks like it was only a 3 year old plane based of radar24.

Whoops. That was already listed.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:47 am

The plane involved is UR-PSR, FR24 shows the plane climbed to 8000 feet and then the tracking stopped.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:48 am

Given the timing with other events it certainly raises many questions...

RIP to those on board however.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:48 am

:frown:

Good Lord... I just want this year to end already.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:49 am

Something tells me that Boeing might not be invited to help in this investigation. Even if it was just an accident.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:49 am

Wow Iran I sure hope this isn't a terror attack or shoot down of an miss ID aircraft.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:50 am

SuseJ772 wrote:
Something tells me that Boeing might not be invited to help in this investigation. Even if it was just an accident.


Most likely. I wonder if anyone from Safran would be able to go?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:50 am

So the Iranians say it was a technical issue within seconds of the crash?
 
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Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:52 am

 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:52 am

32andBelow wrote:
So the Iranians say it was a technical issue within seconds of the crash?


Yes. If they could deduce that so fast maybe should have brought them in on the MAX investigations. They would figure it out in about 5 seconds. Geniuses.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:52 am

32andBelow wrote:
So the Iranians say it was a technical issue within seconds of the crash?


They could have this information if the pilots relayed something to ATC.

But yes, their quick response on the cause raises more doubt honestly. Have to see how this plays out, problem is we may never know much given the country involved.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:54 am

180 Passengers & Crew according to ABC

Nothing off based on FR either
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:54 am

Where is Ukraine seen by Iran in all this? Not saying that this has anything to do with the missiles launched a few hours before and possible responses... but this would take the cake for "spy thriller" and "plot device" if it isn't.

Optics... Optics... Optics...

32andBelow wrote:
So the Iranians say it was a technical issue within seconds of the crash?

Good point, but of course you could say pilots found a fault and radioed it right before..


32andBelow wrote:
budgetflyer wrote:
Aircraft is UR-PSR, a 3-year old 737-800

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ?refresh=1

Brand new plane? The board room in Chicago is praying it’s a missile.

What's this about Ukraine, Boeing planes, and missiles?

No connection... unless the Russia land grab in Ukraine has much bigger implications than anyone thought...perhaps?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:54 am

https://twitter.com/MohamadAhwaze/statu ... 81504?s=19 another video of it supposedly coming down
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:55 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Where is Ukraine seen by Iran in all this?


The Ukrainians are becoming increasingly pro-western.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:55 am

32andBelow wrote:
So the Iranians say it was a technical issue within seconds of the crash?

Hmm, yeah, interesting. Though it could just be a kneejerk response if they know they didn't shoot it down. But I guess it could be a kneejerk response if they did shoot it down...

Makes me wonder how or why it would happen. I'm sure their air defense forces are on super high alert but from where the aircraft originated, the squawk, etc, it should be obviously an airliner. But it wouldn't be the first time an airliner from Iran got shot down...

RIP to those (assumed) dead. Whatever happened, I hope it doesn't not escalate things...
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:56 am

Was someone bragging yesterday here about great safety of aviation?
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:58 am

Jshank83 wrote:


Dear Lord.... :(
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:58 am

SQUWAK codes are extremely important over war territories. I’m not sure if Iran has the technology but certain ground to air missiles fire automatically when certain codes are detected.

Britain lost a Tornado at Bagrahm? (If I remember right) because of that.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:58 am

SumChristianus wrote:
Rossiya747 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
So the Iranians say it was a technical issue within seconds of the crash?


Yes. If they could deduce that so fast maybe should have brought them in on the MAX investigations. They would figure it out in about 5 seconds. Geniuses.

Great idea. Let's pay them 1.5 billion in cash to investigate MH370 to while we're at it...
Sorry, that might be political,

Rossiya747 wrote:
Shootdown or bombing. Rouhani had threatened a "Lockerbie".


What do you mean here?


"Rouhani tweeted that America should 'never threaten Iran' after warning the US should 'remember the number 290' in reference to an incident when the US Navy accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger jet in the Persian Gulf in July 1988, killing 290."

Here's the article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... media.html
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:00 am

Absolutely horrible. I pray that there are survivors. This could not have worse timing for the Iranians.

In the event that the Iranians shot the aircraft down on accident, let us not forget the time a state of the art US Warship managed to "mistake" an Iranian A300 for an F14...
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:00 am

Seeing that video, I doubt there will be many, if any survivors :(
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:00 am

May those onboard Rest In Peace. Either a striking coincidence or foul play here! Very odd that it a 3 year old 737 goes down the same day!
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:01 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Wow Iran I sure hope this isn't a terror attack or shoot down of an miss ID aircraft.


Why would they shoot down an airplane legitimately taking off from the centre of their own country? I just can't really fathom how they would make such a gross mistake, unless their airspace had been massively breached already, in which case civilian flights would have been grounded.

As for a terror attack, that would seem like an unlikely target, unless they targeted someone aboard specifically.

I'll wait for the details, but sorting through the general chaos and hysteria is going to be tough.

In any case, I'll wait until the mainstream media reports on this. There is no confirmation of anything so far, just internet-propagated rumors.
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:01 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Absolutely horrible. I pray that there are survivors. This could not have worse timing for the Iranians.

In the event that the Iranians shot the aircraft down on accident, let us not forget the time a state of the art US Warship managed to "mistake" an Iranian A300 for an F14...

The thing was breaking up and exploded with full fuel.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:03 am

Rossiya747 wrote:
SumChristianus wrote:
Rossiya747 wrote:

Yes. If they could deduce that so fast maybe should have brought them in on the MAX investigations. They would figure it out in about 5 seconds. Geniuses.

Great idea. Let's pay them 1.5 billion in cash to investigate MH370 to while we're at it...
Sorry, that might be political,

Rossiya747 wrote:
Shootdown or bombing. Rouhani had threatened a "Lockerbie".


What do you mean here?


"Rouhani tweeted that America should 'never threaten Iran' after warning the US should 'remember the number 290' in reference to an incident when the US Navy accidentally shot down an Iranian passenger jet in the Persian Gulf in July 1988, killing 290."

Here's the article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... media.html

Ah yes, the prestigious daily mail. Tell me, what on Earth does the US shooting down an airliner have in common with Lockerbie except that both were deliberate drownings of aircraft? What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to conclude that this was a threat? Sounds more to me a reminder of what Iranians perceive as American war crimes.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:03 am

Engine fire possibly. RIP to the passengers and crew. :tombstone:
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:04 am

Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:04 am

That’s the biggest coincidence in history if it was an accident.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:04 am

If those are real videos, anything other than foul play is highly unlikely.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:06 am

Brandon757 wrote:
That’s the biggest coincidence in history if it was an accident.


Not to mention a 4.9 earthquake in the southern Iran.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:06 am

Francoflier wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Wow Iran I sure hope this isn't a terror attack or shoot down of an miss ID aircraft.


Why would they shoot down an airplane legitimately taking off from the centre of their own country? I just can't really fathom how they would make such a gross mistake, unless their airspace had been massively breached already, in which case civilian flights would have been grounded.

As for a terror attack, that would seem like an unlikely target, unless they targeted someone aboard specifically.

I'll wait for the details, but sorting through the general chaos and hysteria is going to be tough.

In any case, I'll wait until the mainstream media reports on this. There is no confirmation of anything so far, just internet-propagated rumors.


The US suspended all flights over the Gulf hours before the plane crashed. Did the US know something in advance?
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:06 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.


Sunrise per google is 7:15... based on FR, the flight took off around an hour before that, so seems plausible
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:07 am

dampfnudel wrote:
Engine fire possibly. RIP to the passengers and crew. :tombstone:

Every situation is different but I wouldn't expect a simple engine fire to down a 737. IIRC they're even designed to burn off before taking the aircraft down with it.

The fact that there was some sort of fire as it went down is troubling (assuming the video is legit.) Hmm
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:07 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.

Time zones man. It doesn’t get light where I live until like 0900
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:07 am

dampfnudel wrote:
Engine fire possibly. RIP to the passengers and crew. :tombstone:


Looking at the early ADS-B data it would have to been a fire that escalated extremely quickly as the flight looks very normal up until contact is lost.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:08 am

1989worstyear wrote:
Isn't it 07:30 in the Morning in Tehran right now? The videos seem pretty dark.

Departure time was 5:15 AM

and flight stats shows the plane still in the air, .. somehow... https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-tracker/PS/752?year=2020&month=01&date=08&flightId=1027215904
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:08 am

Why would Iran blow up a Ukranian plane? Unless of course it's a mistake. Aviation is very easy to victimise unfortunately.

Praying for survivors and rest in peace to those who may have passed away. This is a very very unfortunate accident.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:08 am

https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/status/12 ... 8757864455
Unconfirmed but an accidental shooting down of the aircraft.
 
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Re: Reports of Ukrainian 737 Crash in Tehran,Iran

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:09 am

flymia wrote:
If those are real videos, anything other than foul play is highly unlikely.

Agreed. Not sure of the motive here, if this was indeed an attack. Was someone important on board? Were there Americans? I'm hoping it's highly coincidental, but it doesn't exactly look that way, at this point.

RIP to the victims. This is horrible.
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