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LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:54 pm

According to Flightradar24, LH600 is returning to Frankfurt. Does anyone know what is happening?

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH600/2377a7a5
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:55 pm

Also, OS871 VIE-IKA is diverting to SOF.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:00 pm

It seems logical not to fly to Tehran at this time. Safety is paramount.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:02 pm

There’s a lot of evidence now that the crash in Iran was an accidental shoot down. With that in mind I doubt anyone is going to assume the liability of operations in that theater until safety can be assured.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:42 pm

hoons90 wrote:
Also, OS871 VIE-IKA is diverting to SOF.


Sofia is barely an hour flying time from Vienna, why not return to the base in stead of landing in Bulgaria. Quite odd.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:44 pm

More odd: why did they take off today in the first place? I recall seeing that they turned back yesterday (buried somewhere in the monster thread on the crash)

Edit: it's (also?) in the separate thread re flights to / through Iranian airspace.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:59 pm

N757ST wrote:
There’s a lot of evidence now that the crash in Iran was an accidental shoot down. With that in mind I doubt anyone is going to assume the liability of operations in that theater until safety can be assured.



Can you indicate your source please, honest request.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:08 pm

tapairbus370 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
There’s a lot of evidence now that the crash in Iran was an accidental shoot down. With that in mind I doubt anyone is going to assume the liability of operations in that theater until safety can be assured.



Can you indicate your source please, honest request.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... story.html
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:09 pm

Blerg wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
Also, OS871 VIE-IKA is diverting to SOF.


Sofia is barely an hour flying time from Vienna, why not return to the base in stead of landing in Bulgaria. Quite odd.


Yeah, that's odd to me too. Obviously had the fuel to make it back to VIE if it had enough to make it to Tehran. Curfew issue, perhaps? Still pretty early in Vienna, though...
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:11 pm

Disappointed that LH group and the MEB3 continued to risk the lives of their crew and passengers by continuing Tehran ops. Surely they could have canned the flights just for a day or so to try figure out what happened. When the airline whose plane was downed cancels all flights it suggests that perhaps they know something.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:13 pm

sw733 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
Also, OS871 VIE-IKA is diverting to SOF.


Sofia is barely an hour flying time from Vienna, why not return to the base in stead of landing in Bulgaria. Quite odd.


Yeah, that's odd to me too. Obviously had the fuel to make it back to VIE if it had enough to make it to Tehran. Curfew issue, perhaps? Still pretty early in Vienna, though...


I might be wrong but I think VIE doesn't have a curfew. I checked and Aeroflot has a scheduled/regular departure tonight at 00.10.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:13 pm

tapairbus370 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
There’s a lot of evidence now that the crash in Iran was an accidental shoot down. With that in mind I doubt anyone is going to assume the liability of operations in that theater until safety can be assured.



Can you indicate your source please, honest request.


Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:14 pm

sw733 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
Also, OS871 VIE-IKA is diverting to SOF.


Sofia is barely an hour flying time from Vienna, why not return to the base in stead of landing in Bulgaria. Quite odd.


Yeah, that's odd to me too. Obviously had the fuel to make it back to VIE if it had enough to make it to Tehran. Curfew issue, perhaps? Still pretty early in Vienna, though...


OS871 is showing planned to leave SOF at 2145 and arrive at VIE at 2225. Of course it's past that time now in SOF, but who knows.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:14 pm

sevenair wrote:
Disappointed that LH group and the MEB3 continued to risk the lives of their crew and passengers by continuing Tehran ops. Surely they could have canned the flights just for a day or so to try figure out what happened. When the airline whose plane was downed cancels all flights it suggests that perhaps they know something.


Various Middle Eastern carriers have cancelled flights to Iraq once tensions rose. I am sure they had their reasons for not cancelling Iran as well.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:17 pm

N757ST wrote:
tapairbus370 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
There’s a lot of evidence now that the crash in Iran was an accidental shoot down. With that in mind I doubt anyone is going to assume the liability of operations in that theater until safety can be assured.



Can you indicate your source please, honest request.


Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705


They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:19 pm

N757ST wrote:
There’s a lot of evidence now that the crash in Iran was an accidental shoot down. With that in mind I doubt anyone is going to assume the liability of operations in that theater until safety can be assured.


You probably have multiple aspects:

-Insurers or insurance policy doesn't cover or severely limits coverage in an area where a plane was shot down or other incidents recently happened (could also be union agreements).
-Possible reputational risk - other airlines have come out and said they won't fly over Iraq/Iran, here you have LH/OS continuing to fly to the country itself. If something were to happen to the aircraft, crew or passengers then the media would have a field day with either carrier.
-Government, authorities or intelligence strongly advising/forbidding to fly there, flight plan possibly cancelled in this case.
-Information that further military intervention is imminent and that you're better not to have your aircraft or crew there.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:21 pm

Blerg wrote:
N757ST wrote:
tapairbus370 wrote:


Can you indicate your source please, honest request.


Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705


They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...


It’s not just the Americans, the Canadians also indicate their intel says an accident shoot down. Don’t know what to tell you. I’m sure the government manage talking to the airlines and that’s likely causing them to err on the side of caution.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:25 pm

sevenair wrote:
Disappointed that LH group and the MEB3 continued to risk the lives of their crew and passengers by continuing Tehran ops. Surely they could have canned the flights just for a day or so to try figure out what happened. When the airline whose plane was downed cancels all flights it suggests that perhaps they know something.


Same Qatar has operated to Baghdad the whole time, while Emirates pulled Baghdad for yesterday but seems to have resumed today.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:25 pm

sevenair wrote:
Disappointed that LH group and the MEB3 continued to risk the lives of their crew and passengers by continuing Tehran ops. Surely they could have canned the flights just for a day or so to try figure out what happened. When the airline whose plane was downed cancels all flights it suggests that perhaps they know something.


Same.

Qatar has operated to Baghdad and Tehran the whole time, while Emirates pulled Baghdad for yesterday but seems to have resumed today.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:26 pm

Arion640 wrote:
sevenair wrote:
Disappointed that LH group and the MEB3 continued to risk the lives of their crew and passengers by continuing Tehran ops. Surely they could have canned the flights just for a day or so to try figure out what happened. When the airline whose plane was downed cancels all flights it suggests that perhaps they know something.


Same.

Qatar has operated to Baghdad and Tehran the whole time, while Emirates pulled Baghdad for yesterday but seems to have resumed today.


Interestingly enough, QR also overflies Syria.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:37 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
-Insurers or insurance policy doesn't cover or severely limits coverage in an area where a plane was shot down or other incidents recently happened (could also be union agreements).
-Possible reputational risk - other airlines have come out and said they won't fly over Iraq/Iran, here you have LH/OS continuing to fly to the country itself. If something were to happen to the aircraft, crew or passengers then the media would have a field day with either carrier.
-Government, authorities or intelligence strongly advising/forbidding to fly there, flight plan possibly cancelled in this case.
-Information that further military intervention is imminent and that you're better not to have your aircraft or crew there.


I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.


The US has absolutely no control over where other sovereign nations allow their flagged carriers to operate.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:44 pm

I thought LH were sensible Germans and err on the side of caution. Disappointed they took off at all.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:44 pm

"They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened."
Of course they do. No they are not, speculating. Do you honestly think they are going to divulge their methods and capabilities to the media.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:46 pm

DXTraveler wrote:
"They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened."
Of course they do. No they are not, speculating. Do you honestly think they are going to divulge their methods and capabilities to the media.


Without wanting to go into politics here, let's not forget their methods and capabilities also lead them to believe Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. All I'm saying is that we should not jump to conclusions at this point before we have more information.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:51 pm

Blerg wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Sofia is barely an hour flying time from Vienna, why not return to the base in stead of landing in Bulgaria. Quite odd.


Yeah, that's odd to me too. Obviously had the fuel to make it back to VIE if it had enough to make it to Tehran. Curfew issue, perhaps? Still pretty early in Vienna, though...


I might be wrong but I think VIE doesn't have a curfew. I checked and Aeroflot has a scheduled/regular departure tonight at 00.10.


No curfew at VIE. 24h operation. Just some restrictions as to which runways my be used during the night -> noise abatement.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:01 pm

JoseSalazar wrote:
Blerg wrote:
N757ST wrote:

Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705


They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...

Sorry. Your assessment is bonkers.


Care to expand on that?
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:05 pm

Blerg wrote:
N757ST wrote:
tapairbus370 wrote:


Can you indicate your source please, honest request.


Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705


They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...


Difficult to tell what happened when...

Iran refuses to hand over the crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box to the embattled manufacturer
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ing-2020-1
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:08 pm

NW747-400 wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
-Insurers or insurance policy doesn't cover or severely limits coverage in an area where a plane was shot down or other incidents recently happened (could also be union agreements).
-Possible reputational risk - other airlines have come out and said they won't fly over Iraq/Iran, here you have LH/OS continuing to fly to the country itself. If something were to happen to the aircraft, crew or passengers then the media would have a field day with either carrier.
-Government, authorities or intelligence strongly advising/forbidding to fly there, flight plan possibly cancelled in this case.
-Information that further military intervention is imminent and that you're better not to have your aircraft or crew there.


I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.


The US has absolutely no control over where other sovereign nations allow their flagged carriers to operate.


Sure they do. Mahan dropped FCO and MXP after the U.S. "suggested" the Italian government step in and pull their landing rights. They can no longer fly to Italy in general. The U.S. can easily give LH and OS (and the ME3) an ultimatum: fly to the U.S. or Iran. The choice is yours. Done.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:09 pm

AirFiero wrote:
Blerg wrote:
N757ST wrote:

Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705


They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...


Difficult to tell what happened when...

Iran refuses to hand over the crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box to the embattled manufacturer
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ing-2020-1


As mentioned elsewhere, this isn't out of the ordinary.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:12 pm

Blerg wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
Blerg wrote:

They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...

Sorry. Your assessment is bonkers.


Care to expand on that?

The US and Canadian governments aren’t speculating. There is plenty of hard evidence, especially above open source levels.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:12 pm

AirFiero wrote:
Blerg wrote:
N757ST wrote:

Main page of most US media outlets.

Plus this. https://mobile.twitter.com/NarimanGhari ... 6937928705


They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...


Difficult to tell what happened when...

Iran refuses to hand over the crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box to the embattled manufacturer
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ing-2020-1

If I was Iran I would also refuse to give the blackboxes to the US. If the US wanted war with Iran, this would be the perfect pretext to start one.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:14 pm

LH initially suspended operations temp, as new findings may suggest an accidental shoot down LH may have decided to suspend operations furthermore ...


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq ... SKBN1Z71TY
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:14 pm

speedbird52 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
Blerg wrote:

They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...


Difficult to tell what happened when...

Iran refuses to hand over the crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box to the embattled manufacturer
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ing-2020-1

If I was Iran I would also refuse to give the blackboxes to the US. If the US wanted war with Iran, this would be the perfect pretext to start one.

Not really. This was an accidental shooting (as far as we know right now) of a Ukrainian plane, not an intentional shooting of a US plane. Generally not something that starts a war with a third party country.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:15 pm

OceanAir wrote:
NW747-400 wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:

I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.


The US has absolutely no control over where other sovereign nations allow their flagged carriers to operate.


Sure they do. Mahan dropped FCO and MXP after the U.S. "suggested" the Italian government step in and pull their landing rights. They can no longer fly to Italy in general. The U.S. can easily give LH and OS (and the ME3) an ultimatum: fly to the U.S. or Iran. The choice is yours. Done.


Mahan Air has US sanctions all over it. Rome will have wanted a favour from Washington in return for doing their bidding. Berlin would want a very big favour form Washington to stop Lufthansa flying to Tehran long term - the question is how willing are the Americans to grant a favour
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:21 pm

OceanAir wrote:
NW747-400 wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:

I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.


The US has absolutely no control over where other sovereign nations allow their flagged carriers to operate.


Sure they do. Mahan dropped FCO and MXP after the U.S. "suggested" the Italian government step in and pull their landing rights. They can no longer fly to Italy in general. The U.S. can easily give LH and OS (and the ME3) an ultimatum: fly to the U.S. or Iran. The choice is yours. Done.


Mahan still flies to MXP, saw the A346 yesterday
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:33 pm

I think there is nowhere safe to land near Tehran except maybe Turkmenistan and Azerbijan which are both a day or more bus ride away from Tehran.
It isn't like if Dusseldorf is closed you fly to Cologne just down the road.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:37 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.

Why should LH, OS and ME3 flying to anywhere but USA matter to the USA authority when they're not even a USA based airline?

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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:41 pm

OceanAir wrote:
NW747-400 wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:

I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.


The US has absolutely no control over where other sovereign nations allow their flagged carriers to operate.


Sure they do. Mahan dropped FCO and MXP after the U.S. "suggested" the Italian government step in and pull their landing rights. They can no longer fly to Italy in general. The U.S. can easily give LH and OS (and the ME3) an ultimatum: fly to the U.S. or Iran. The choice is yours. Done.


Let’s say that’s a plausible scenario. On what grounds will the US cite a ban on LH flights to the states without revealing they were pressuring Germany to abandon Tehran service?
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 9:44 pm

cnn has a video showing an object in the sky being hit over Tehran.
https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... estigation
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:09 pm

Kindly please stop steering this thread into politics. The topic is LH600 returning to FRA. Thank you!
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:26 pm

NW747-400 wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
runway23 wrote:
-Insurers or insurance policy doesn't cover or severely limits coverage in an area where a plane was shot down or other incidents recently happened (could also be union agreements).
-Possible reputational risk - other airlines have come out and said they won't fly over Iraq/Iran, here you have LH/OS continuing to fly to the country itself. If something were to happen to the aircraft, crew or passengers then the media would have a field day with either carrier.
-Government, authorities or intelligence strongly advising/forbidding to fly there, flight plan possibly cancelled in this case.
-Information that further military intervention is imminent and that you're better not to have your aircraft or crew there.


I am surprised the US allows LH, OS or the ME3 to fly to Iran.


The US has absolutely no control over where other sovereign nations allow their flagged carriers to operate.


I think the US put pressure on the UK/British Airways to stop flying to Tehran after the US said they were pulling out of the nuclear deal and increasing sanctions.

Up until then the BA flight was operating at a profit I believe, but was terminated pretty suddenly.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:40 pm

The German government most likely got access to intelligence from the US which probably hasn’t been released to the public (yet) and felt it would be prudent to bring the flight back to FRA. I don’t know if LH has announced the suspension of all future flights to Tehran until further notice, but I would guess they will soon.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:41 pm

Austrian have crews which nightstop in Tehran, wonder what happened to them since the aircraft coming to pick them up has turned around?
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:55 pm

eagles94 wrote:
Austrian have crews which nightstop in Tehran, wonder what happened to them since the aircraft coming to pick them up has turned around?

Another day or two of sightseeing in Tehran until a recovery flight arrives I would guess. If the airspace is deemed unsafe for that, then another option could be an overland option to Turkey.
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:30 pm

Strato2 wrote:
I thought LH were sensible Germans and err on the side of caution. Disappointed they took off at all.


Very disturbing that they planned to fly to Iran. Was Lufthansa so very sure it was safe and the ukrainien 737 had technical problems??? Unbelievable...
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:42 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Mahan Air has US sanctions all over it. Rome will have wanted a favour from Washington in return for doing their bidding. Berlin would want a very big favour form Washington to stop Lufthansa flying to Tehran long term - the question is how willing are the Americans to grant a favour


Huh? The US wouldn’t need to do any favors for Berlin. All the US has to do is ban LH from flying to the US if they chose to continue serving IKA and watch LH pull out immediately long term. LH needs the US wayyyyyy more than any US carrier needs *any* German destinations. It would financially devastate LH to not be able to serve its US (and potentially Canadian) destinations.

Not to mention LH doesn’t even serve IKA daily. They wouldn’t be that dumb to request a favor to axe what will now be a loss making route. It’ll probably get axed on its own.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:46 pm

If Washington bans Lufthansa from flying to the USA, the EU would react pretty fast...
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:08 am

I'm surprised that LH600 or OS871 even went airborne to begin with.

clrd4t8koff wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Mahan Air has US sanctions all over it. Rome will have wanted a favour from Washington in return for doing their bidding. Berlin would want a very big favour form Washington to stop Lufthansa flying to Tehran long term - the question is how willing are the Americans to grant a favour


Huh? The US wouldn’t need to do any favors for Berlin. All the US has to do is ban LH from flying to the US if they chose to continue serving IKA and watch LH pull out immediately long term. LH needs the US wayyyyyy more than any US carrier needs *any* German destinations. It would financially devastate LH to not be able to serve its US (and potentially Canadian) destinations.

Not to mention LH doesn’t even serve IKA daily. They wouldn’t be that dumb to request a favor to axe what will now be a loss making route. It’ll probably get axed on its own.


If the USA did that, I do believe that the EU would retaliate by banning any N-registered planes from its airspace, which would severely disrupt FedEx and UPS.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:49 am

speedbird52 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:
Blerg wrote:

They are merely speculating it, they have no concrete proof that it actually happened. Furthermore, if you open the link you posted you would read that the guy can't verify the video just yet. On top of that, once that explosion happens there is darkness. On another video we can see the plane falling from the sky and there being fire. So...


Difficult to tell what happened when...

Iran refuses to hand over the crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box to the embattled manufacturer
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ing-2020-1

If I was Iran I would also refuse to give the blackboxes to the US. If the US wanted war with Iran, this would be the perfect pretext to start one.


Except that the manufacturer of the aircraft, Boeing, is in the United States. And, the NTSB often gets involved in crashes all over the world because they are very good at analysis.
 
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Re: LH600 Frankfurt to Tehran returning to Frankfurt

Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:06 am

AirFiero wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
AirFiero wrote:

Difficult to tell what happened when...

Iran refuses to hand over the crashed Ukrainian Boeing 737's black box to the embattled manufacturer
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine ... ing-2020-1

If I was Iran I would also refuse to give the blackboxes to the US. If the US wanted war with Iran, this would be the perfect pretext to start one.


Except that the manufacturer of the aircraft, Boeing, is in the United States. And, the NTSB often gets involved in crashes all over the world because they are very good at analysis.


The United States is the country of manufacture of the airframe. It has the absolute right to participate in the investigation.
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