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Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:22 am

Looks like a bit of rough landing of a A321 in Antayla.

https://www.airporthaber.com/havacilik- ... uleri.html
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Re: Nordwind A321 Ouch

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:25 am

Did the plane land nose first instead of flaring?
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:41 am

ouch! looks like bad damage! Anybody know if that A321 is a write off now?
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:46 am

That certainly looks like it might be a nose first landing; might be a write off if it were an old frame, but it's only 3 years old. Up to the insurance I would think.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:20 am

oschkosch wrote:
ouch! looks like bad damage! Anybody know if that A321 is a write off now?


Meatwad: Did you get an estimate?

Carl: I just freakin found it!!!
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:21 am

Assessment are on going, I don't see the frame going WO. Major repair are going to be necessary, certainly with Airbus support needed.
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:40 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
oschkosch wrote:
ouch! looks like bad damage! Anybody know if that A321 is a write off now?


Meatwad: Did you get an estimate?

Carl: I just freakin found it!!!


Thanks for that. I freaking love this show...

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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:03 pm

Wow. That's quite some damage!
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:57 pm

The photo where you can see into the cockpit is quite telling, imagine the pilots faces when they left the cockpit and see that.
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 1:49 pm

oschkosch wrote:
ouch! looks like bad damage! Anybody know if that A321 is a write off now?

Sure. Additionally, the airport will be fully razed and the pilots will be fired and executed in public place... :roll:

It just happened, no one knows yet the full extent of the damage, the repair cost and/or the aircraft replacement cost.

Honestly, those "is it a write-off" questions right after it happened do not bring anything to the discussion.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:00 pm

TheWorm123 wrote:
The photo where you can see into the cockpit is quite telling, imagine the pilots faces when they left the cockpit and see that.


Pilots? Imagine how the passengers seated in the first row felt. :D
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:04 pm

Blerg wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
The photo where you can see into the cockpit is quite telling, imagine the pilots faces when they left the cockpit and see that.


Pilots? Imagine how the passengers seated in the first row felt. :D


This flight didn't have passengers on board
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:08 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
Honestly, those "is it a write-off" questions right after it happened do not bring anything to the discussion.


Sure, but it's good to see a.net tradition being upheld.

Blerg wrote:
Pilots? Imagine how the passengers seated in the first row felt.


Indeed! :o

ikarlson wrote:
This flight didn't have passengers on board


Now you're just spoiling our fun.
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:13 pm

Official statement by the airline

https://nordwindairlines.ru/ru/news/68

they blame it on wind shear
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:31 pm

Earl Sheib will take care of that for $99.95.

Just sayin...
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:00 pm

What shall I say...Call Tesa and order some boxes with Tape no. 4610. :hissyfit:
As it is a 3 years old bird, we will see the jet again. Will be interesting to follow, if the A321 will be repaired in Antayla or will be makeshift repaired and flown to a repair and maintenance base as LHT Sofia.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:14 pm

ikarlson wrote:
Official statement by the airline

https://nordwindairlines.ru/ru/news/68

they blame it on wind shear


I bet there was some shear wind in the cockpit as well after they say that damage! :shock:
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:35 pm

That will buff right out.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:25 am

Francoflier wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
oschkosch wrote:
ouch! looks like bad damage! Anybody know if that A321 is a write off now?


Meatwad: Did you get an estimate?

Carl: I just freakin found it!!!


Thanks for that. I freaking love this show...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BpFxajJNYdE



Obviously, I remembered it incorrectly, but that is exactly the scene I was thinking of. It is a great show, yes.

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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:00 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
Did the plane land nose first instead of flaring?


Reminds me of JD-5759 from Beijing to Macau, windshear there resulting in a bound and then second landing on the nose wheel.

oschkosch wrote:
ouch! looks like bad damage! Anybody know if that A321 is a write off now?


That damage is significant, would not be surprised if it was a write off.
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:18 am

Turkey seems to be cursed with rough landings. At least the Turkish pilots now have solidarity from their Russian colleagues. :duck:
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:31 pm

Would love to see a CCTV clip of that landing
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:40 pm

Only one spoiler deployed.
Looks that the aircraft had some kind of hydraulic or dual Hyd failure.
This means that approach was flown in alternate law and landing in direct law.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:40 pm

Will you be able to repair A321 save this bird? They should cut nose section fuselage including the cockpit. They bring the Beluga plane to get a new nose fuselage replaced. Then fly the A321 again. Can they do it? It takes a few months to repair.

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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:53 pm

pecevanne wrote:
Only one spoiler deployed.
Looks that the aircraft had some kind of hydraulic or dual Hyd failure.
This means that approach was flown in alternate law and landing in direct law.


AV Herald is reporting both green and yellow systems were inop.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:24 pm

Landing with green+yellow system failure means that no elevator trimming was available after manual landing gear extension was done.
A this point the flight went to direct law without elevator trimming.
A hard landing on this conditions is possible.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:27 am

Skyliner-aviation.de is reporting there is a possibility that the aircraft VQ-BRS will be a write-off. If this is indeed true, it is a very sad ending for a very young airframe. Russia hasn't been having a good time with A321 of recent years.
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:57 am

juliuswong wrote:
Skyliner-aviation.de is reporting there is a possibility that the aircraft VQ-BRS will be a write-off. If this is indeed true, it is a very sad ending for a very young airframe. Russia hasn't been having a good time with A321 of recent years.


I doubt it. Whilst this one may have caused much deeper damage (E-bay etc), I am sure it will fly another day. Anyone remember the Condor A321 that basically got a front Facelift? Give it time, I think she will fly again.....
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Mon May 25, 2020 5:15 pm

Was looking through AV Herald and came across this incident. What struck me was that is came down with about +2.65G, above limits. 2,65G is quite a lot, but does anyone here know what the limit is for this bird?

And to ask the obvious question: did it buff out? :D
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Mon May 25, 2020 7:23 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Was looking through AV Herald and came across this incident. What struck me was that is came down with about +2.65G, above limits. 2,65G is quite a lot, but does anyone here know what the limit is for this bird?

And to ask the obvious question: did it buff out? :D


It appears that VQ-BRS is still at AYT (which doesn't answer the "write-off or not" question).
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Mon May 25, 2020 7:24 pm

Never mind the limits,what about the fraude on the CVR and DFDR???

FlightGlobal wrote:
Inquiry alleges tampering of hard-landing A321 cockpit recorder

Russian investigators probing an Airbus A321 hard landing have made the extraordinary accusation that its cockpit-voice recorder was erased and fitted in another aircraft, then re-installed in the damaged jet, ahead of the inquiry commission’s arrival.

. . .

The inquiry believes that, in the aftermath of the accident to the A321 (VQ-BRS), both recorders were removed and taken to Antalya’s RMS Technic maintenance facility, and the voice recorder was fitted to a second A321 (VP-BHN) flying the return service to Moscow.

After this A321 arrived in Moscow, it was removed by another maintenance firm, NW Technic, and – in hand luggage on an Aeroflot flight – transported back to RMS Technic in Antalya where the recorder was refitted to the original damaged A321, before the inquiry team arrived.


https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/inquiry-alleges-tampering-of-hard-landing-a321-cockpit-recorder/138519.article
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Mon May 25, 2020 8:03 pm

PW100 wrote:
Never mind the limits,what about the fraude on the CVR and DFDR???

FlightGlobal wrote:
Inquiry alleges tampering of hard-landing A321 cockpit recorder

Russian investigators probing an Airbus A321 hard landing have made the extraordinary accusation that its cockpit-voice recorder was erased and fitted in another aircraft, then re-installed in the damaged jet, ahead of the inquiry commission’s arrival.

. . .

The inquiry believes that, in the aftermath of the accident to the A321 (VQ-BRS), both recorders were removed and taken to Antalya’s RMS Technic maintenance facility, and the voice recorder was fitted to a second A321 (VP-BHN) flying the return service to Moscow.

After this A321 arrived in Moscow, it was removed by another maintenance firm, NW Technic, and – in hand luggage on an Aeroflot flight – transported back to RMS Technic in Antalya where the recorder was refitted to the original damaged A321, before the inquiry team arrived.


https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/inquiry-alleges-tampering-of-hard-landing-a321-cockpit-recorder/138519.article


OMG, what is this kind of a ridiculous accusation, why would they do something like that and why would authorities let them do that? After an incident like this, an aircraft like that is seized by authorities for an investigation right, so how would something like this even possible?

"It says this indicates the button to erase the cockpit-voice recorder “was pressed in the cockpit”. --> done by the captain?
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Mon May 25, 2020 9:12 pm

pugman211 wrote:
Would love to see a CCTV clip of that landing


While not the same incident, at 6:25 in this clip you can see how tough some of these planes are built.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAuTR2vrI3g
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Mon May 25, 2020 9:40 pm

Looking at that damage probably some skid marks and a nasty smell from the cockpit.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Tue May 26, 2020 12:21 pm

bombayduck wrote:
Looking at that damage probably some skid marks and a nasty smell from the cockpit.


:lol:
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Tue May 26, 2020 2:30 pm

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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Tue May 26, 2020 2:34 pm

Would not have liked to be in the galley jumpseat for that one..
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Tue May 26, 2020 5:21 pm

.. I hate when that happens. (P.S. - someone's fired!)
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Tue May 26, 2020 5:58 pm

How did they move the aircraft? Obviously the structural integrity of the nose gear has been compromised...
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Wed May 27, 2020 8:55 am

ikarlson wrote:
This flight didn't have passengers on board


Yes, but the fish in the cargo hold were quite shaken.
 
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Wed May 27, 2020 9:26 am

Dutchy wrote:
Was looking through AV Herald and came across this incident. What struck me was that is came down with about +2.65G, above limits. 2,65G is quite a lot, but does anyone here know what the limit is for this bird?

And to ask the obvious question: did it buff out? :D


The problem is that the nose gear took most of those 2.65Gs. I'm pretty sure the main gear would have shrugged it off, but the nose gear is not designed for these kind of loads.
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Re: Nordwind A321 Rough Landing in Antayla

Wed May 27, 2020 10:29 am

The name of the city/airport is not Antayla but ANTALYA. Please correct the header. Thank you.
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