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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:59 am

EMB170 wrote:
My gut reaction was DL as well given the size of their existing A339 order. I also suppose that an argument could be made for SQ, given that they already have A333s...but I don't know if the 787-10 is meant as a 1:1 replacement for said A333 fleet. A339 could give them commonality. Would LH want A339s to replace their A333 fleet?

The newest A333s in the LH fleet are from 2015. It is far too early to think about that. Unless Lufthansa cancel the 787 order I don't see it. I am of the opinion that Airbus should be doing their best to tailor the A330 NEO to potential MOM customers.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:01 am

Whoever it is I'm thrilled that 2-4-2 in Y remains alive and well!
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:07 am

The A330 NEO is the size of a 787. How does this fit into MOM?
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:09 am

ACCS300 wrote:
Whoever it is I'm thrilled that 2-4-2 in Y remains alive and well!

You do know that there are A330s in 3-3-3 configuration, right?
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:10 am

mxaxai wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Whoever it is I'm thrilled that 2-4-2 in Y remains alive and well!

You do know that there are A330s in 3-3-3 configuration, right?

Only ultralow cost carriers have this set up
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:13 am

mxaxai wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Whoever it is I'm thrilled that 2-4-2 in Y remains alive and well!

You do know that there are A330s in 3-3-3 configuration, right?


A small minority, yes. Just as only a small minority of 787s are operated in the originally designed 2-4-2.
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:15 am

speedbird52 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
ACCS300 wrote:
Whoever it is I'm thrilled that 2-4-2 in Y remains alive and well!

You do know that there are A330s in 3-3-3 configuration, right?

Only ultralow cost carriers have this set up

One of which may be the customer for this order. Air Asia X leading the way.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:19 am

zkojq wrote:
scbriml wrote:
If it is United, then they haven't cancelled their A350 order, because the Dec O&D spreadsheet still shows them with 45 A359s on order. More importantly, a.net wouldn't be able to handle the meltdown if UA ordered 40 A339s without cancelling their A350s! :rotfl:

That would be one unhinged discussion thread :biggrin: I wonder how many people would write to their congressperson asking them to block the deal....


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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:09 am

Is that a real comment?
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:21 am

Look, it's so obvious I can't believe you guys haven't figured it out yet. This is WN's order. They're going to make a massive launch and monopolize the TATL Market wile simultaneously giving Boeing the middle finger. BWI will be the new JFK.

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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:53 am

China sounds about right or might as well be American Airlines wanting to expand the a330 fleet because delta is making money with them so why not get on that train.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:01 am

I wouldn’t be surprised if this order turned out to be Austrian. A330’s already in the fleet and 767’s due for replacement soon.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:05 am

Air France A330ceo and A380 replacement? That's 15 A330-200 and 10 A380s worth. If the A330s are replaced 1 for 1, and the A380s 2 for 1, that makes 35. Then 5 for expansion or 777-200 replacement.

JFKalumni wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if this order turned out to be Austrian. A330’s already in the fleet and 767’s due for replacement soon.


Not for 40 planes. They also don't have A330s.
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:10 am

As the long-haul ULCC presence grows, it will only be a matter of time untill we start seeing Basic Economy sections on major airlines. 3-3-3 on A330 and 3-4-3 on A350.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:18 am

How about a combined IAG or Lufthansa order?

For IAG, that would mean Iberia, Level and Aer Lingus.

For Lufthansa, any combination of Lufthansa, Austrian, Swiss and Brussels. What speaks against this is last years order for 20 787-9. While I don't think having both is a problem, 60 medium sized jets is a bit more than LH Group requires.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:18 am

China most likely since Airbus was reportedly be looking at assembling a330 neos at Tianjin.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:36 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
As the long-haul ULCC presence grows, it will only be a matter of time untill we start seeing Basic Economy sections on major airlines. 3-3-3 on A330 and 3-4-3 on A350.


Partly why it was so disappointing Air Asia didn't go for the 787. From a passenger perspective, a 9 abreast A330 is just about the worst configuration in the skies. I hope this isn't Air Asia.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:37 am

xwb565 wrote:
China most likely since Airbus was reportedly be looking at assembling a330 neos at Tianjin.


My guess is China too (for the Big 3: CA, MU & CZ). I think all the A330CEO orders for the Big 3 Chinese airlines are now completed and delivered, so it's logical for them to move onto A330NEOs.
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:42 am

Elementalism wrote:
The A330 NEO is the size of a 787. How does this fit into MOM?


Easy. Once the industry finally accepts that the MOM gap is just not big enough to justify an all-new airframe, A330's and 787's will be picking up the higher capacity "MOM" missions that are not adequately covered off by the smaller A321XLR.

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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:00 am

My money is China, or EK!

EK never "cancelled" and they said it was still on the table. Tim Clarks last order (12/23) before announcing retirement the next day (12/24)?

But looking forward to being surprised! A nice order for sure!
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:55 am

JFKalumni wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if this order turned out to be Austrian. A330’s already in the fleet and 767’s due for replacement soon.


LH already ordered some 787-9s for OS a few months back. Though I hope that the LH Group will order some A330neos at some point...
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:59 am

zkojq wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if this order turned out to be Austrian. A330’s already in the fleet and 767’s due for replacement soon.


LH already ordered some 787-9s for OS a few months back. Though I hope that the LH Group will order some A330neos at some point...


That's a bit too fast. They ordered 20 and Boeing showed PR images of them in Swiss and Austrian markings, but nobody ever said they were going to anybody other than Lufthansa itself. If wikipedia is to be believed, they will replace the Lufthansa A340-300 fleet.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:02 am

United could make sense. A339s with 787s still work well and then keep an order for some A359s for the longer routes/heavier payloads.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:59 am

DeltaMD90 wrote:
Hoping it's Delta!!! But probably Chinese

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767333ER wrote:
Riiiiiight, America would adopt such a socialist/communist policy by blocking competition and claim that competition is the cause of its floundering industry. Competition is supposedly supposed to make things better in the capitalist world.


Boeing is under great pressure from Airbus; you are admitting there that Airbus is running their business better. It’s not the government’s responsibility to prop Boeing up anymore than they do. It’s Boeing’s onus to compete. If they aren’t good enough they face pressure. If you want it to be different vote for your local communist... if you have one or just move to a communist nation.


I think you missed the joke/sarcasm there.

Unfortunately, it is not sarcasm. Search his post history. Here's a good one from 2011

viewtopic.php?t=1333501


I don't understand the original comment. I thought this discussion thread is about identifying the mysterious customer ordering the A330Neo. I guess everyone is entitled to an opinion.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:04 am

randomdude83 wrote:
China sounds about right or might as well be American Airlines wanting to expand the a330 fleet because delta is making money with them so why not get on that train.


As much as I want American to keep the A330 fleet, they are getting replaced by the 787-9 for the A333. They will have 15 A332 and retiring 9 A333. That's a lot of growth especially for an airline with a lot of capital spending at the moment.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:08 am

A launch of the rumored A330neo freighter? DHL? Amazon carrier?
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:08 am

AirAisa? They have around 300 A321NEOs on order, so they must have some sting growth plans in place.

Could also be Qantas, some of there early a330s are from the early 2000s. While they do have 789s they are mainly used on longer missions.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:23 am

UPS757Pilot wrote:
A launch of the rumored A330neo freighter? DHL? Amazon carrier?


Would that not be based on the -800?
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:31 am

If it's not China, then my money is on TK. The 737Max grounding is hurting their growth, and their plans to take Boeing to court isn't going to help either. They need alternative capacity to mitigate damage.

The A330NEO is a big capacity jump over a B737, but it is a flexible aircraft that can replace both the missions of some of the older A330s/B777s in TK's fleet, as well as routes that have grown since being launched on narrowbodies (of which there are several).
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:34 am

Any possibility it’s IAG? Order to be split between the individual airlines?
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:37 am

Air China.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:39 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
UPS757Pilot wrote:
A launch of the rumored A330neo freighter? DHL? Amazon carrier?


Would that not be based on the -800?
Don't know as I haven’t seen any official specs but this article states it would be based on a -900. Btw I doubt UPS would be the customer as stated in the article but who knows?

https://airlinerwatch.com/rumor-has-it- ... f-a330neo/
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:49 am

I am surprised no one has stated the obvious:

1) DL/LA as part of their new joint venture agreement and the build up at MIA

OR

2) WN as part of its continued growth strategy for use on high volume transcon, HI and new European routes

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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:54 am

Undisclosed customers, rather than an individual customer, could also be a possibility and is perhaps more likely considering the numbers?
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:58 am

zuckie13 wrote:
Look, it's so obvious I can't believe you guys haven't figured it out yet. This is WN's order. They're going to make a massive launch and monopolize the TATL Market wile simultaneously giving Boeing the middle finger. BWI will be the new JFK.

Ok...I can dream.

Preposterous. It is an Alaska order: They just bought failing carrier JetBlue and are going to set up a hub in LGA. (JFK renovations taking too long) Deltas struggling SEA hub has finally closed, and AS are taking advantage of the gap in the market. No long haul flights from SEA though, everyone knows they always fail...
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:05 am

seahawk wrote:
Air China.



If it's a Chinese airline, the customer will probably remain undisclosed until a politically opportune moment a year or two from now and be announced as a "new" order.


...this is probably the case, don't hold your breath guys.
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:19 am

VSMUT wrote:
zkojq wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised if this order turned out to be Austrian. A330’s already in the fleet and 767’s due for replacement soon.


LH already ordered some 787-9s for OS a few months back. Though I hope that the LH Group will order some A330neos at some point...


That's a bit too fast. They ordered 20 and Boeing showed PR images of them in Swiss and Austrian markings, but nobody ever said they were going to anybody other than Lufthansa itself. If wikipedia is to be believed, they will replace the Lufthansa A340-300 fleet.



I believe too that ultimately LH and LX will continue to have the A330 in their fleets, meaning the neo, and the 787 will go to OS and maybe SN.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:54 am

WS!!! Making the switch and diversifying the fleet.....
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:59 am

Undisclosed customer = almost every time a Chinese airline.

But this time, my bet is on IndiGo
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:03 am

zkncj wrote:
AirAisa? They have around 300 A321NEOs on order, so they must have some sting growth plans in place.

Could also be Qantas, some of there early a330s are from the early 2000s. While they do have 789s they are mainly used on longer missions.

Very unlikely it's QF given their capital expenditure limitations, especially if the A350-1000 is ordered in March 2020.

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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:14 am

EK did not make any engine choice on their recent 787-9 order with STC stating that by 2023/2024 RR hopefully will have issues with their T1000 sorted.

They specifically did not "rule out" the A339 for their fleet..so there is a good possibility the order is for them.

As bad as their reputation has been tarnished with the T1000 fiasco, LH chose RR for their 787-9s....so I guess RR isn't dead yet!
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:18 am

VSMUT wrote:
Air France A330ceo and A380 replacement? That's 15 A330-200 and 10 A380s worth. If the A330s are replaced 1 for 1, and the A380s 2 for 1, that makes 35. Then 5 for expansion or 777-200 replacement.


Wouldn't AF need to announce an order like this? I also believe they announced ten more A350's (from 28 to 38 on order) to replace the A380's.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:28 am

openskies88 wrote:
If it's not China, then my money is on TK. The 737Max grounding is hurting their growth, and their plans to take Boeing to court isn't going to help either. They need alternative capacity to mitigate damage.

The A330NEO is a big capacity jump over a B737, but it is a flexible aircraft that can replace both the missions of some of the older A330s/B777s in TK's fleet, as well as routes that have grown since being launched on narrowbodies (of which there are several).

TK has settled the compensation with Boeing with the latter paying few hundreds millions. During the last investors' call, TK management has informed they are not placing any order for widebody as more 787 gets delivered and impending A350 delivery. Their leased A330 will start leaving this year, replaced by A350/B787. If there is any need for extra capacity, they will most probably take more A350/B787.

TK is struggling to keep up with current schedule and control cost. They have eliminated few frills in Y class. With recent expansion has taken toll on them.
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:29 am

I wondered about the freighter, but I think Airbus would have wanted the publicity of the launch of a new model alongside announcing the undisclosed order. That said, if the customer required non_disclosure, that would hardly be possible with so few possibilities for a 40 frame F order.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:37 am

Likely Indigo of India. they said previously they were looking to buy about 40 to 50 A330neo and the order is for 40. Their past experience demonstrates that they "ONLY" place "BIG" orders as a "STRATEGY" to maximize discounts. But, if this is the case, it also means that they have given up on bidding for Air India which will likely be offered for sale debt free as part of the Government's privatization efforts - The India Government is probably saving the debt-free offer for its best pals, SpiceJet and the Adanis.
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:13 am

Wizzair?
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:17 am

Would it be plausible for Virgin Atlantic to take delivery of these birds and lease them to DL?
 
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:21 am

The Singapore Airshow is coming up soon, isn't it? Any chance we could see an order announcement from an Asian carrier there?
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:40 am

Is the A330-900 offered with lower MTOW like the original A330-300 had or is the -900 regarded as a mainly long-haul bird with MTOW of 242T and 251T being preferred?

I'm thinking that Asian carriers may want it as a high-capacity short-haul bird for flights less than 5 hours and don't want to pay for extra weight they don't need.
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Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:59 am

jethawk wrote:
Would it be plausible for Virgin Atlantic to take delivery of these birds and lease them to DL?



Why? Would would be the benefit to DL and VS in that?

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