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Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:59 am

Recently the airport has just been closed due to the eruption of Taal Volcano.

According to Tokyo VAAC the ash is present from SFC to FL550. So pretty high plume.

Flights diverting and the airspace over Luzon now looks pretty quiet.

Wonder if any aircraft were affected by ash prior to airspace being closed?
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:11 pm

I just got home from the airport. I was supposed to fly to Manila today. Flight got cancelled. Hearing from friends in Metro Manila that they're feeling the ash fall already.

The eruption started at 2pm. My colleague was on a different flight that landed at 5pm. I think it started with just a steam and ash eruption but things got more serious after a few hours and they decided to close the airspace and the airport as well.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:11 pm

airport has been closed a few hours now. Some flights diverted, such as QR and EY to HKG. The EK from CEB turned around and went back there. Air Nuigini diverted into CEB. An EVA which for an unknown reason did a missed approach there ended up diverting as well, possibly to KHH.

One of our planes was about to takeoff when the ash started to fall and they pulled off the runway and returned to the gate (Although other aircraft waiting for take-off continued to depart!)
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:15 pm

Manila International Airport is 70-80 km from the volcano, but wet ash has extended out 100 km from Taal volcano.

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The Philippine government has issued a notice that a full scale eruption is possible within days.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:36 pm

First thought that comes to mind, could this be anywhere on the scale of the Icelandic eruption a few years back?
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:52 pm

PR’s North American originating flights are still en route to Manila. Possibly needing to divert to CRK and bus the passengers into the city?
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:03 pm

CRK now suspending flights too, some diversions to CEB and HKG.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:17 pm

Geologist chiming in. These volcanoes are low-temp melts (Felsic magma: Lots of feldspar and silica) and are pretty gummy, trapping lots of gas. They produce lots of ash and can get a bit explodey, think Pinatubo, St Helen's, Montserrat). Hopefully the eruption is short-lived and nobody is harmed, but these things can snarl air traffic for a bit as the silicate ash is very bad in turbines.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:52 pm

PR127 was in the air when the volcano erupted. I have to wonder where it might divert.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:08 pm

Looks like PR117 YVR-MNL is diverting to Tokyo. It’s descending now.

I have to assume PR119 from YYZ will divert to HKG if MNL remains closed. The PR LAX and SFO flights may divert to TPE or CEB.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:21 pm

PR117 seems to be setting up for a diversion to HND. FR24 says the 4 flights from SFO/LAX are diverting to CEB. 119/127 are still who knows. CI5880 seems to still be cruising along to MNL.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:48 pm

Hi,
I visited Taal volcano 3 years ago.l was on the rim and there was a lake in the center. What happened to the lake? Did the water just evaporate overnight or was it expelled outwards as steam?
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:55 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Hi,
I visited Taal volcano 3 years ago.l was on the rim and there was a lake in the center. What happened to the lake? Did the water just evaporate overnight or was it expelled outwards as steam?


We’ll find out when the volcanic activity ends. Lava is spewing out at the moment
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:22 pm

TAAAAAAALLL!

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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:50 pm

Interestingly CX881 LAX-HKG went to ICN; can only assume it's due to the passage blocked by volcanic ash and it has to go around it but it doesn't have enough fuel to do so.

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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:06 pm

Looks like the Philippine Airlines long haul planes diverted to Cebu (LAX), Hong Kong (YYZ), Guam (LAX), Haneda (YVR), and Clark (LHR). Retrieving all those planes and passengers will be a logistics challenge.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:15 pm

Nice Kirk pic. Could swear he's saying that!
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:18 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
PR127 was in the air when the volcano erupted. I have to wonder where it might divert.


Looks like PR127 diverting to HKG
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:22 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Hi,
I visited Taal volcano 3 years ago.l was on the rim and there was a lake in the center. What happened to the lake? Did the water just evaporate overnight or was it expelled outwards as steam?

The lake is gone.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:33 pm

QuayWeeAir wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
PR127 was in the air when the volcano erupted. I have to wonder where it might divert.


Looks like PR127 diverting to HKG


Landed minutes ago in HKG indeed.

PR659 is still in air...not sure where it will divert to.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:45 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Hi,
I visited Taal volcano 3 years ago.l was on the rim and there was a lake in the center. What happened to the lake? Did the water just evaporate overnight or was it expelled outwards as steam?

From what I understand from Hawaii, is that these lakes end up soaking into the volcano via a crack that forms during a pre-eruption. Then that water builds up and creates pressurized steam which helps the volcano violently explode as steam and ash.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:51 pm

airlineaddict wrote:
Manila International Airport is 70-80 km from the volcano, but wet ash has extended out 100 km from Taal volcano.

The Philippine government has issued a notice that a full scale eruption is possible within days.

Another reason for not having a new premier international gateway at SGL which is nearer to it. :alert:


Lemieux wrote:
First thought that comes to mind, could this be anywhere on the scale of the Icelandic eruption a few years back?

A closer comparison would be to Mt. Pinatubo, but here's hoping that this eruption would not be as devastating as that one. Also, tourists frequent the island and people live around the foot of Taal. Praying that they're all safe and that this would not be another White Island. :pray:


This blog has the latest re the affected flights and an advisory from Philvolcs about the volcanic situation..... :redflag: .....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... rport.html



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The lake is gone.

It may still be there, just not visible. Here's a video which recorded the eruption (commentary in Tagalog, sorry).....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6l04V0QnLTw

The guy was saying they were being instructed to leave the area.


British vloggers video of the condition at BGC in Metro Manila.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1J1Ep4Mtrqs
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:34 am

The volcano erupted. The lake was in the crater. The lake is gone. This is not rocket science.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:41 am

KFTG wrote:
The volcano erupted. The lake was in the crater. The lake is gone. This is not rocket science.


Nope, it’s just rock science. News flash: volcanoes drastically change topography. There will be lots and lots of ash from this one. Depending on the wind, the airport could be closed for days.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:04 am

Aircraft engines are not good for flying into ashes. It could shut down or purge compressors. It's safe closed and not to fly near there.

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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:43 am

Looks like MNL is open again but aircraft lining-up with lots of hold circling.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:54 am

MNL is only doing partial ops. Some flights departing as scheduled, but a lot of returning diversions. PR at around 3:00PM will be ferrying back two 77Ws from CEB which diverted there earlier this morning while inbound from LAX and SFO. SQ and DL will be sending rescue flights later this afternoon as well.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:01 am

Wonder if they swept the apron and taxiways of ash? If not guess they are relying on the aircraft to vacuum it up.

Give it a few months if the latter is the case and there’ll probably be some unscheduled engine removals for turbine distress. Doesn’t take much ash to block cooling holes in the hot section.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:11 am

787SIN wrote:
Wonder if they swept the apron and taxiways of ash? If not guess they are relying on the aircraft to vacuum it up.

Give it a few months if the latter is the case and there’ll probably be some unscheduled engine removals for turbine distress. Doesn’t take much ash to block cooling holes in the hot section.


MIAA released photos of clearing and sweeping ops. As for the aircraft, that is still unknown.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:34 am

Spacepope wrote:
KFTG wrote:
The volcano erupted. The lake was in the crater. The lake is gone. This is not rocket science.


Nope, it’s just rock science. News flash: volcanoes drastically change topography. There will be lots and lots of ash from this one. Depending on the wind, the airport could be closed for days.


My understanding is that the volcano is an island in the center of a lake, which was a crater/caldera from a prior volcano? Is/was there a lake in the center of the Taal crater as well?
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:18 am

MarSciGuy wrote:
Is/was there a lake in the center of the Taal crater as well?

Correct, similar to Pinatubo. There's now a lava fountain in the central crater, which means there is no more lake in the crater. :)
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:47 am

I'm waiting at Cataclan for Z2226. I see Z2225 hasn't left MNL, but hasn't been canceled yet. I'm flying Wednesday with China Southern out of Manila (to CAN then AMS), or at least I'm supposed to. I could get from Kalibo (near here) to Shanghai and avoid MNL altogether. You guys reckon they will be susceptible to rerouting? So rerouting from Shanghai to AMS (through either Beijing or CAN).

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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:08 am

A video of a SQ 781 and a QF 332 having the ash removed.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1216574777273438208
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:33 am

After 22 hours, 4 flight delays, and one aircraft switch, finally lining up for takeoff from Singapore to Manila!
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:35 pm

MichielOnTour wrote:
I'm waiting at Cataclan for Z2226. I see Z2225 hasn't left MNL, but hasn't been canceled yet. I'm flying Wednesday with China Southern out of Manila (to CAN then AMS), or at least I'm supposed to. I could get from Kalibo (near here) to Shanghai and avoid MNL altogether. You guys reckon they will be susceptible to rerouting? So rerouting from Shanghai to AMS (through either Beijing or CAN).

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I'll answer my own question: they are not . So I took the heavily delayed flight to MNL, with this interesting flight path. Guess where the volcano is located Image
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:17 pm

KFTG wrote:
MarSciGuy wrote:
Is/was there a lake in the center of the Taal crater as well?

Correct, similar to Pinatubo. There's now a lava fountain in the central crater, which means there is no more lake in the crater. :)


Wasn’t there 2 separate volcanoes in Taal. One open to tourists with the lake in the center, and the other, off limits to tourists (at least that’s what I recall the guide telling me when I visited 3 years ago. Maybe, it’s only the volcano that’s off limits to tourists that is spewing ash?????
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:21 pm

By the way, the guide offered to let me swim illegally in the lake in the crater ( supposedly it does wonders for the skin, he said) . Of course I turned him down. This was 3 years ago.

He said that as long as you don’t go near the center of the lake, the water is nice and warm.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:15 pm

It is bad for passengers flying on EK, even the flight to Cebu is cancelled, I guess because they return via Angeles so not only are you dealing with Manila passengers looking for new flights but the flight to Cebu has cancelled passengers as well. Try getting your head around you being bumped in Europe because of a volcano nowhere close to your destination and that is open and operating.
 
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:54 pm

Philippine747 wrote:
PR at around 3:00PM will be ferrying back two 77Ws from CEB which diverted there earlier this morning while inbound from LAX and SFO.

Guess PR got a good nonstop 77W ops simulation into CEB from LAX for when they resume service on the route this coming May. :hyper:
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:46 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Wasn’t there 2 separate volcanoes in Taal. One open to tourists with the lake in the center, and the other, off limits to tourists

These may help.....

https://www.phivolcs.dost.gov.ph/index. ... al-volcano

"NAME OF VOLCANO: TAAL
LOCATION: Batangas (14°00.1' N, 120°59.1' E)

PHYSICAL FEATURES
Elevation: 0.311 km
Type of Volcano: Complex
Crater Lakes/Caldera/Maars:

MAIN CRATER LAKE - 1.9 km in diameter; blue-green in color, 4 m above sea level, deepest point: 76m

Taal Volcano Island has 47 craters and 4 maars

TAAL CALDERA - 25 km across and formed between 140,000 to 5,380 BP

TAAL LAKE - inside the caldera; 267 sq. km and 2 m above sea level"



Image
https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/w_160 ... o-0112.jpg


https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... l-eruption

Quote:
"The feared hazardous eruption may occur through any of the five vents, namely Taal Volcano Island Main Crater, Binintiang Malaki, Pirapiraso, Off-Calauit and Binintiang Munti."
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:48 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Wasn’t there 2 separate volcanoes in Taal. One open to tourists with the lake in the center, and the other, off limits to tourists

These may help.....

https://www.phivolcs.dost.gov.ph/index. ... al-volcano

"NAME OF VOLCANO: TAAL
LOCATION: Batangas (14°00.1' N, 120°59.1' E)

PHYSICAL FEATURES
Elevation: 0.311 km
Type of Volcano: Complex
Crater Lakes/Caldera/Maars:

MAIN CRATER LAKE - 1.9 km in diameter; blue-green in color, 4 m above sea level, deepest point: 76m

Taal Volcano Island has 47 craters and 4 maars

TAAL CALDERA - 25 km across and formed between 140,000 to 5,380 BP

TAAL LAKE - inside the caldera; 267 sq. km and 2 m above sea level"



Image
https://dynaimage.cdn.cnn.com/cnn/w_160 ... o-0112.jpg


https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... l-eruption

Quote:
"The feared hazardous eruption may occur through any of the five vents, namely Taal Volcano Island Main Crater, Binintiang Malaki, Pirapiraso, Off-Calauit and Binintiang Munti."
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:38 am

Devilfish wrote:
Philippine747 wrote:
PR at around 3:00PM will be ferrying back two 77Ws from CEB which diverted there earlier this morning while inbound from LAX and SFO.

Guess PR got a good nonstop 77W ops simulation into CEB from LAX for when they resume service on the route this coming May. :hyper:


Didn't they have one when that XiamenAir 737 went off the runway in MNL :P
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:42 am

Philippine747 wrote:
Didn't they have one when that XiamenAir 737 went off the runway in MNL :P

We could call this one a "refresher course"... :smile: ...and a taxing one at that, given the 77W arrival from SFO too. The ff report says NAIA had PR127 from JFK as its first international flight arrival (so an A359) after reopening.....

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https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2020 ... ally-opens

Quote:
"The MIAA said NAIA welcomed its first flight arrival since the suspension with PR 127 from JFK in New York landing at 12:21 p.m., while PR 318 bound for Hong Kong was the first flight departure, which took off at 12:31 p.m.

Other terminals, meanwhile, welcomed at least 13 international flights and two domestic late Monday."




http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/ ... opens.html

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https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BosJO2HVlHA/ ... 2Bfall.jpg


BTW... Mods, please delete the #41 double post. Was trying unsuccessfully to do it myself earlier..
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:15 am

PR still cancelling some flights today for mx checks. Extra flight to DVO is planned today, and PR732/733 to BKK will be upgauged to A333 from A321/A21N to accomodate pax on cancelled PR737/738.
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Re: Manila Airport Closed, Taal Volcanic Eruption

Wed Jan 15, 2020 1:57 pm

Now is the time we can say with certainty that the main crater lake of Taal is "gone".....

https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/1213523/t ... p-phivolcs

Quote:
"MANILA, Philippines — The Main Crater Lake (MCL) of Taal Volcano has now dried up, the Philippine Institute of Volcanology and Seismology (Phivolcs) reported on Wednesday afternoon.

'Nakita po natin na vaporized na, nawala na po ang Main Crater Lake,' said Ma. Antonia Bornas, chief of Phivolcs’ Volcano Monitoring and Eruption Prediction Division.

(We saw that the Main Crater Lake has vaporized and is no longer there.)

Satellite images showed that the MCL is now covered with ash and new cone-like vents have appeared.

The vaporization of the lake inside Taal’s main crater can be attributed to several things, according to Phivolcs."



So.....there we have it. :expressionless:
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