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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:21 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Let's update the list according to the November 2019 O&D.
GREEN delivered
ORANGE questionable delivery
RED delivery very unlikely
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
A330-200: 21x
13x Airbus Military for MRTT conversion.
8x Iran Air (USA trade sanctions)

A330-200F 4x
3x MNG Airlines
1x Synergy Aerospace Corporation


A330-300: 19x
1x Aer Lingus
8x CASC
1x Egypt Air (bribery scandal)
9x HongKong Airlines (Airline financials)

According to the December 2019 O&D, one more A330-200 was delivered for MRTT conversion, the one A330-200F on order by Synergy Aerospace Corporation was cancelled, as well as 4 out of the 9 A330-300 for Hong Kong Airlines. That means there will indeed be no more produced for Hong Kong Airlines, as the 5 A330-300 listed in the following post have already been produced for them.
juliuswong wrote:
Looks like another was "delivered":

Airbus A330-343 1917 B-309T Capital Airlines seen parked at TSN 11dec19, was handed-over 22oct19 ex B-005C
Source: Skyliner-aviation.de

MSN 1902 for Hong Kong Airlines has returned to TLS from Tianjin Completion Centre. Not taken up apparently.

MSN 1863, 1865, 1874, 1902, 1907 are all completely built for Hong Kong Airlines, waiting for delivery. Safe to say, out of 9 pending orders for Hong Kong Airlines, five are ready for delivery, four more to be produced, but I don't see Airbus will make parts for them without $$ rolling in.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:33 am

I agree it is looking clearer now. Looks like MSN 1951 will be the last A330-300 built. Also looks like no more A330-200s will be built for airlines, just MRTTs from now on.

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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:55 am

Did the 3 -Fs for MNG also get canceled?
When is MSN 1951 expected to roll out?
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:58 am

A330-200 production summary including orders, commitments and market opportunities.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19hjWwv ... sp=sharing

data.ABarberan says that Airbus DS will continue to offer the A330-200 as the only basis for the MRTT until 2025.
data.16 operators (plus change) are planning to retire/return their A332 fleets over the next five years
hypothesis: The A332MRTT is an under-appreciated as a peace-time tool. The A332 is a natural military/civilian combi.
hypothesis: There are replacement prospects for the A332MRTT & A332P2MRTT; Turkish, Indian, Spanish, Qatarian, Indonesian, Canadian AFs; x = ~20+
-- however, several of these MRTT customers would be well-advised to acquire used passenger commercial frames and apply the MRTT conversion.

Passenger
'Level' telegraphed an aspiration acquire/fly 15 A330-200 frames by 2022.
The spreadsheet is annotated to represent a market for 8 additional frames, however the delta on these being new-builds continues to diminish.
--leasing companies have an opportunity to re-lease Air Europa's returned GE frames to Level

MRTT
The A332MRTT is ideally positioned for a market of ~21 frames.
The A338 derivative is likely built to pitch, in conjunction with Lockheed, for the KC-10 replacement.

edit: to tie out to Airbus's 67 Governments; Executive & private Jets; add the 12 on order and subtract <1> ln1965 errantly calculated as active
puzzling over:
1) proper amortization of long-lived assets where costs and revenue are complex, in a technologically evolving environment.
2) the economics of gate real estate
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 am

IAG have had plans for expansion of the LEVEL widebody fleet but were looking at the 787 for this. There acquisition of Air Europa will probably cause a rethink. If they expand LEVEL with Airbus widebodies then they have choices other than new build A330-200s.

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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:39 am

So, MSN 1936 will end up being the last A332 for passengers. I remember the -200 being launched. Hell, I remember the -300 being launched!

So the -200/-300 programme (passengers) will finish just a little short of 1,400. Of course, just to :stirthepot: we could chuck in 380 A340s to give us very nearly 1,750.

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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:10 pm

I agree with the statement that most likely the last passenger A330-200 has already been delivered.
There are 12 A330MRTT frames left to be build. But AFAIK the A330-200 isn't suitable for MRTT conversion, only tale boom is possible. AFAIK a more likely MRTT conversion is A340-200/-300 into A330MRTT.

The three A330-200F for MNG Airlines could still be delivered, as replacement for A300F. They already took one new build A330-200F from Airbus, but that was already back in 2012.

For the A330-300 MSN1951 for Aer Lingus is stated as the last delivered. I do agree this is likely to be the last build A330-300. But I expect several more deliveries.
I think CASC will also take several more A330CEO's. But I think Airbus and CASC are renegotiating these orders.
I'm not expecting more deliveries to HongKong Airlines, Airbus (Tarmac) is already storing 5 A330-300 for HK Airlines and one for HK Leasing. Most likely other airlines will take these planes at a large discount, or they will be converted into freighters.

So to be produced are: 12x A330-200MRTT, 2x A330-743 Beluga XL and a small possibility for 3x A330-200F . All other CEO frames are in outfitting stage, or stowed.
Could we get confirmation at Airbus 2019 full year earnings release (planned for 13 February)?
Indeed closing the A330CEO with ~1460 deliveries is very nice.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:25 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
I agree with the statement that most likely the last passenger A330-200 has already been delivered.
There are 12 A330MRTT frames left to be build. But AFAIK the A330-200 isn't suitable for MRTT conversion, only tale boom is possible. AFAIK a more likely MRTT conversion is A340-200/-300 into A330MRTT.

The three A330-200F for MNG Airlines could still be delivered, as replacement for A300F. They already took one new build A330-200F from Airbus, but that was already back in 2012.

For the A330-300 MSN1951 for Aer Lingus is stated as the last delivered. I do agree this is likely to be the last build A330-300. But I expect several more deliveries.
I think CASC will also take several more A330CEO's. But I think Airbus and CASC are renegotiating these orders.
I'm not expecting more deliveries to HongKong Airlines, Airbus (Tarmac) is already storing 5 A330-300 for HK Airlines and one for HK Leasing. Most likely other airlines will take these planes at a large discount, or they will be converted into freighters.

So to be produced are: 12x A330-200MRTT, 2x A330-743 Beluga XL and a small possibility for 3x A330-200F . All other CEO frames are in outfitting stage, or stowed.
Could we get confirmation at Airbus 2019 full year earnings release (planned for 13 February)?
Indeed closing the A330CEO with ~1460 deliveries is very nice.


There have already two used A330-200 been converted to MRTT for the RAAF as KC30A. The full Monty with boom and two wing Cobham pods.

MSN892 and MSN898, both originally delivered to Qantas VH-EBI and VH-EBH.

I assume it is more work in regards to the wings, but it has already been done. Even the A310 has been done with two wing Cobham pods.
 
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Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:13 pm

Link to previous thread:

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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:53 am

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
The three A330-200F for MNG Airlines could still be delivered, as replacement for A300F.
Highly unlikely, in my opinion. The A330F is dead.

CFRPwingALbody wrote:


For the A330-300 MSN1951 for Aer Lingus is stated as the last delivered. I do agree this is likely to be the last build A330-300. But I expect several more deliveries.

Yes, but deliveries of ntu planes already built. I don't see any new builds after MSN1951.

CFRPwingALbody wrote:


So to be produced are: 12x A330-200MRTT, 2x A330-743 Beluga XL and a small possibility for 3x A330-200F.


Four more -743 Belugas are still to be built.

And there will be more MRTTs for sure.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:14 pm

If there will still be A330MRTTs then the A330-200 airframe will still be available so why would the A330-200F not still be?
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:22 pm

Stitch wrote:
If there will still be A330MRTTs then the A330-200 airframe will still be available so why would the A330-200F not still be?

Theoretically the A332F won’t be dead but I don’t see who would order it in the future who hasn’t already. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it has been almost 5 years since someone ordered it (TK).
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:40 pm

Stitch wrote:
If there will still be A330MRTTs then the A330-200 airframe will still be available so why would the A330-200F not still be?


Yeah eventually the A330-200 will be pretty much only for the MRTT's. Although its unlikely at the moment that new orders for the -200F will take place, there are some second hand passenger to freighter conversions going on as we speak. That won't go away anytime soon.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:38 pm

Polot wrote:
Stitch wrote:
If there will still be A330MRTTs then the A330-200 airframe will still be available so why would the A330-200F not still be?

Theoretically the A332F won’t be dead but I don’t see who would order it in the future who hasn’t already. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it has been almost 5 years since someone ordered it (TK).


The p2f conversions are going on. When the fleets increase we can easily see somebody adding a new one.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:31 pm

The expected final passenger A330-300 built by Airbus had its second flight yesterday and is nearing delivery to Aer Lingus.

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F-WWCH Airbus A330 Aer Lingus * Last A330-300 !!* by @Eurospot, on Flickr

MSN 1951 will become EI-EIN and arrives 26 years after Aer Lingus received their very first A330 from Airbus.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:56 pm

The remaining deliveries will be A330-200 MRTTs for the French, Korean, Singaporean and NATO air forces.

I wonder if Airbus will continue making CEOs for military purposes if they receive new orders or offer the NEO. It seems like all MRTTs start life as A332s at TLS before being converted to MRTTs by Airbus Military. I may be wrong, but is it not too difficult to convert an A338 to a MRTT?
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:00 pm

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The remaining deliveries will be A330-200 MRTTs for the French, Korean, Singaporean and NATO air forces.

I wonder if Airbus will continue making CEOs for military purposes if they receive new orders or offer the NEO. It seems like all MRTTs start life as A332s at TLS before being converted to MRTTs by Airbus Military. I may be wrong, but is it not too difficult to convert an A338 to a MRTT?

Since the A338 has different wake properties because of the differing engines and wingtips a lot of the inflight refueling testing would have to be repeated. I’m also not sure if many governments with smaller tanker fleets would want a split ceo/neo MRTT fleet. Also I believe some of the provisions from the A340 that made a A330 MRTT easy have been removed from the Neo to save weight.

IMO Airbus will only launch a Neo MRTT if they get a large order that essentially covers all the certification costs, and in the meantime will continue with just the A332 MRTT.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:04 pm

Polot wrote:
flee wrote:
The remaining deliveries will be A330-200 MRTTs for the French, Korean, Singaporean and NATO air forces.

I wonder if Airbus will continue making CEOs for military purposes if they receive new orders or offer the NEO. It seems like all MRTTs start life as A332s at TLS before being converted to MRTTs by Airbus Military. I may be wrong, but is it not too difficult to convert an A338 to a MRTT?

Since the A338 has different wake properties because of the differing engines and wingtips a lot of the inflight refueling testing would have to be repeated. I’m also not sure if many governments with smaller tanker fleets would want a split ceo/neo MRTT fleet.

IMO Airbus will only launch a Neo MRTT if they get a large order that essentially covers all the certification costs, and in the meantime will continue with just the A332 MRTT.

Prospective USAF order was in my mind...
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:12 pm

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Prospective USAF order was in my mind...


Current USAF planning is to use the KC-46A Pegasus for KC-10A Extender replacements.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:59 pm

Stitch wrote:
flee wrote:
Prospective USAF order was in my mind...


Current USAF planning is to use the KC-46A Pegasus for KC-10A Extender replacements.


With or without FOD included from the factory?
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:29 am

Gingersnap wrote:
Stitch wrote:
flee wrote:
Prospective USAF order was in my mind...


Current USAF planning is to use the KC-46A Pegasus for KC-10A Extender replacements.


With or without FOD included from the factory?

Sorry, bur you have just misunderstood it. This is not FOD, such bad word...these are features. This is chaff, to protect a plane from radar, the crews have only to search for it under the floor plates and to throw them out through the holes, they can cut with the additional delivered tools, hidden in the wings, the holes, which they can reach with the ladder, additional implemented in the tail fin.

With or without refueling capacity? Now and also for the next years, till all of the bugs are fixed, the KC-46A is just a piece of flying Al, with exception of war times, will not be allowed to refuel other planes.

The A330 MRTT is without doubt the superior product ant it has a big benefit, it can refuel planes and also can carry freight and passengers.There is a reason, why most customers have decided for the A330 MRTT, even it is more expensive.
The last delivered A330 MRTT was MSN1891 for South Korea. What I will never understand is, why some of the MRTT are flying around for years as example the MSN1830 for Netherlands till they will be delivered to the final customer. MSN1830 is performing test flight as already completed tanker since Nov-2018 and is still not delivered.
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:35 pm

flee wrote:
The remaining deliveries will be A330-200 MRTTs for the French, Korean, Singaporean and NATO air forces.

I wonder if Airbus will continue making CEOs for military purposes if they receive new orders or offer the NEO. It seems like all MRTTs start life as A332s at TLS before being converted to MRTTs by Airbus Military. I may be wrong, but is it not too difficult to convert an A338 to a MRTT?

All Korean and Singaporean MRTT's have been delivered. Only NATO and French left on order plus a possible follow up order from the UAE.
And all MRTT's are of course A330-200's, what else did you think. Built a refuling boom first and attach an aircraft to it later??

The A330-800 can be converted to an MRTT but that will require a whole new design. As opposed to the current A330-200. That has the same wing structure as the A340-200/300 and as MRTT it uses the number 1 & 4 engine mounting location and fuel lines for the refuelling pods.
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:18 pm

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The A330-800 can be converted to an MRTT but that will require a whole new design. As opposed to the current A330-200. That has the same wing structure as the A340-200/300 and as MRTT it uses the number 1 & 4 engine mounting location and fuel lines for the refuelling pods.

It makes me wonder if they will just maintain the capability to build A330-200s for this role rather than funding a new design for a pretty small production run. Boeing is maintaining a separate 737NG line to build P-8 Poseidon, but it's had its own line right from the start. As above we've seen the last A330CEO airliner off the line, so presumably Airbus has made some sort of decision on how to handle MRTT.
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:30 am

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
I agree with the statement that most likely the last passenger A330-200 has already been delivered.
There are 12 A330MRTT frames left to be build. But AFAIK the A330-200 isn't suitable for MRTT conversion, only tale boom is possible. AFAIK a more likely MRTT conversion is A340-200/-300 into A330MRTT.

The three A330-200F for MNG Airlines could still be delivered, as replacement for A300F. They already took one new build A330-200F from Airbus, but that was already back in 2012.

For the A330-300 MSN1951 for Aer Lingus is stated as the last delivered. I do agree this is likely to be the last build A330-300. But I expect several more deliveries.
I think CASC will also take several more A330CEO's. But I think Airbus and CASC are renegotiating these orders.
I'm not expecting more deliveries to HongKong Airlines, Airbus (Tarmac) is already storing 5 A330-300 for HK Airlines and one for HK Leasing. Most likely other airlines will take these planes at a large discount, or they will be converted into freighters.

So to be produced are: 12x A330-200MRTT, 2x A330-743 Beluga XL and a small possibility for 3x A330-200F . All other CEO frames are in outfitting stage, or stowed.
Could we get confirmation at Airbus 2019 full year earnings release (planned for 13 February)?
Indeed closing the A330CEO with ~1460 deliveries is very nice.


Correct me if I am wrong, but there is still an undelivered A330-203 with Airbus, Currently registered F-WWCB, MSN871, originally built for USAF's KC-45A Programme, but became NTU, Does anyone know what is it being used for and if Airbus will sell it to a potential MRTT customer?
 
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Re: Airbus A330 Delivery/Production Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:51 am

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UA947 wrote:
The A330-800 can be converted to an MRTT but that will require a whole new design. As opposed to the current A330-200. That has the same wing structure as the A340-200/300 and as MRTT it uses the number 1 & 4 engine mounting location and fuel lines for the refuelling pods.

It makes me wonder if they will just maintain the capability to build A330-200s for this role rather than funding a new design for a pretty small production run. Boeing is maintaining a separate 737NG line to build P-8 Poseidon, but it's had its own line right from the start. As above we've seen the last A330CEO airliner off the line, so presumably Airbus has made some sort of decision on how to handle MRTT.

Bear in mind that the A330 MRTT does not necessarily need new build frames. MRTTs can be easily converted from old civil frames - the RAAF has been doing it with ex-Qantas frames for their fleet of MRTTs.

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