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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Thu Sep 24, 2020 12:22 pm

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Emirates announced DXB-BCN-MEX will resume on Dec 1, 2020.

Best Regards,


No.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-24sep20/

Dubai – Barcelona – Mexico City Service cancelled in NW20 (Previous plan: service resumes 01DEC20)
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 8:38 am

Emirates has removed the following cities from the GDS and will not resume for the NW2020/21 season:

Dallas DFW, Edinburgh, London STN , Mexico City, Newcastle, St. Petersburg, San Francisco and Tokyo Haneda.

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-24sep20/
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:47 pm

sorry if discussed but what is the latest on Orlando?? I see they are running a cargo flight 3 x a week from Columbus Ohio and on to Dubai via MCO Orlando, but what is the latest on passenger service?
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:57 pm

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sorry if discussed but what is the latest on Orlando?? I see they are running a cargo flight 3 x a week from Columbus Ohio and on to Dubai via MCO Orlando, but what is the latest on passenger service?


Last I checked it’s suspended until June.
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:16 pm

Ishrion wrote:
crownvic wrote:
sorry if discussed but what is the latest on Orlando?? I see they are running a cargo flight 3 x a week from Columbus Ohio and on to Dubai via MCO Orlando, but what is the latest on passenger service?


Last I checked it’s suspended until June.


That’s disappointing, but thank you for the quick response.
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:49 am

Any update on the 777x re-negotiations, usually we would've heard something by now...
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:33 pm

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Any update on the 777x re-negotiations, usually we would've heard something by now...


Some say the ek going to cancel the 350 again.
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 4:43 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Any update on the 777x re-negotiations, usually we would've heard something by now...


Some say the ek going to cancel the 350 again.

Hmm. I find that hard to believe. Why would they cancel?
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:18 pm

Opus99 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Any update on the 777x re-negotiations, usually we would've heard something by now...


Some say the ek going to cancel the 350 again.

Hmm. I find that hard to believe. Why would they cancel?


Too many jets ordered.

And with 787-9, it's bit smaller than A3509 so a better fit next to young 777W and arrivals of the new 777X.

Makes the perfect sense. Covids killed the need for 350
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:50 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

Some say the ek going to cancel the 350 again.

Hmm. I find that hard to believe. Why would they cancel?


Too many jets ordered.

And with 787-9, it's bit smaller than A3509 so a better fit next to young 777W and arrivals of the new 777X.

Makes the perfect sense. Covids killed the need for 350


Or maybe they want to convert them to the A330NEO which can be delivered quicker?

If not, what will happen to the A380 deposits?
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:14 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

Some say the ek going to cancel the 350 again.

Hmm. I find that hard to believe. Why would they cancel?


Too many jets ordered.

And with 787-9, it's bit smaller than A3509 so a better fit next to young 777W and arrivals of the new 777X.

Makes the perfect sense. Covids killed the need for 350

That makes sense
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:07 pm

Ishrion wrote:
crownvic wrote:
sorry if discussed but what is the latest on Orlando?? I see they are running a cargo flight 3 x a week from Columbus Ohio and on to Dubai via MCO Orlando, but what is the latest on passenger service?


Last I checked it’s suspended until June.


Can’t imagine it even resumes then.

I bet when Emirates returns to Florida in a year or two or three, it consolidates at Miami.
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:22 pm

xwb777 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Hmm. I find that hard to believe. Why would they cancel?


Too many jets ordered.

And with 787-9, it's bit smaller than A3509 so a better fit next to young 777W and arrivals of the new 777X.

Makes the perfect sense. Covids killed the need for 350


Or maybe they want to convert them to the A330NEO which can be delivered quicker?

If not, what will happen to the A380 deposits?


Ek not want 330neo because the 7879 is better and efficiency. The 380 deposits - well, as we know, ek wants to cancel five of last 8 frames, so any the money with airbus will be offsets here.

I think this is what's will happen.
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:54 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

Too many jets ordered.

And with 787-9, it's bit smaller than A3509 so a better fit next to young 777W and arrivals of the new 777X.

Makes the perfect sense. Covids killed the need for 350


Or maybe they want to convert them to the A330NEO which can be delivered quicker?

If not, what will happen to the A380 deposits?


Ek not want 330neo because the 7879 is better and efficiency. The 380 deposits - well, as we know, ek wants to cancel five of last 8 frames, so any the money with airbus will be offsets here.

I think this is what's will happen.

Is this coming from sources within Emirates?
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:11 pm

That's more my speculations. One thing I can says from certain is no 330neo. That's why the ek swapped some 777X to 7879 jets - it seems like a logical outcome.
 
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Sun Sep 27, 2020 10:31 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
crownvic wrote:
sorry if discussed but what is the latest on Orlando?? I see they are running a cargo flight 3 x a week from Columbus Ohio and on to Dubai via MCO Orlando, but what is the latest on passenger service?


Last I checked it’s suspended until June.


Can’t imagine it even resumes then.

I bet when Emirates returns to Florida in a year or two or three, it consolidates at Miami.


I’d say that’s a good bet.
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:17 am

So about that A380 that they retired a few months back, have there been any updates on that? Is it gonna be scrapped too?
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:58 am

Emirates annouces cargo flights to Guadalajara, Mexico. The flights will be operated on Mondays and Fridays using a B777F

Source: https://www.skycargo.com/media-centre/e ... ra-mexico/
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:58 pm

I requested a few days ago a refund of our family of 4's nonrefundable Y tickets on IAH-DXB set for US Thanksgiving week to visit my expat sister and her family. The rationale I used: the unwanted date change on the outbound flight after IAH was reduced from daily to 3x/week, reducing our weeklong stay there by 1 day. And that was on top of the flight getting downgauged twice, from 380 > 77W > 77L.

Now I'm starting to wonder if the IAH flights (EK211/212) will get cut for the month of November.
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:10 pm

Western727 wrote:
I requested a few days ago a refund of our family of 4's nonrefundable Y tickets on IAH-DXB set for US Thanksgiving week to visit my expat sister and her family. The rationale I used: the unwanted date change on the outbound flight after IAH was reduced from daily to 3x/week, reducing our weeklong stay there by 1 day. And that was on top of the flight getting downgauged twice, from 380 > 77W > 77L.

Now I'm starting to wonder if the IAH flights (EK211/212) will get cut for the month of November.


Getting dropped from the 77W to the 77L isn't bad.

All the 77Ls have new seats in Y and J. With the 77W it's a mixed bag, there's always a chance of getting an older frame with a worn out interior.
 
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Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:56 pm

EK7777 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
I requested a few days ago a refund of our family of 4's nonrefundable Y tickets on IAH-DXB set for US Thanksgiving week to visit my expat sister and her family. The rationale I used: the unwanted date change on the outbound flight after IAH was reduced from daily to 3x/week, reducing our weeklong stay there by 1 day. And that was on top of the flight getting downgauged twice, from 380 > 77W > 77L.

Now I'm starting to wonder if the IAH flights (EK211/212) will get cut for the month of November.


Getting dropped from the 77W to the 77L isn't bad.

All the 77Ls have new seats in Y and J. With the 77W it's a mixed bag, there's always a chance of getting an older frame with a worn out interior.


Good to know, thank you, EK7777! We're set on still going to the Emirates, though since purchasing the tickets for the original travel date of March 2020 we've started to warm up to flying to DXB via LHR on BA so that we don't have to drive the 3 hours one way to IAH. As I'm sure you know, the drive would be welcome on the way out, but quite unwelcome on the way back. ;)
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Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:33 pm

I learned from my expat sister (from the USA) who lives with her family in the Emirates...that her husband's (white collar) workplace has been constantly losing expat worker after expat worker for two reasons: 1) big pay cuts making regional travel no longer affordable, and 2) Covid, of course.

She explained that the Emirati luster has faded considerably in the last few months since the aforementioned regional trips are no longer possible; the natives routinely look down on anyone who's not an Emirati (e.g., an Emirati recently cut in front of my sister who was first in line at a veterinarian's office...and nobody dared to speak up). As she explained, these nuisances were tolerable during a time when her family made highly-rewarding regional trips to Jordan, Egypt, India, Europe, etc. However, with the big pay cut and the quarantine (with which the Emiratis have done an impressive job, keeping numbers very low), being treated as second class citizens is getting old...very quickly, being compounded by the loss of friends who have given up and moved back to their home countries.

I get the sense that Covid is going to continue to have significant impact on the Emirates as a whole. I wonder what things will look like there post-Covid as opposed to other countries.
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:26 pm

Any news or updates on Emirates A359 order cancellation rumor?
 
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 10:24 am

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FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
EY and EK will merge. UAE with it's population of 9.2million it's insane that it has 2 airlines the size of EY and EK..... and then so close to Qatar... They are vanity projects



Merger unlikely.
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:31 am

Retaliation wrote:
Sokes wrote:
FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
EY and EK will merge. UAE with it's population of 9.2million it's insane that it has 2 airlines the size of EY and EK..... and then so close to Qatar... They are vanity projects



Merger unlikely.


Exactly. Not happening. If there is any time to do it it is now. And not a whisper. So if it's not happening now it will never ever happen.
 
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Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:01 pm

Avgeek21 wrote:
Retaliation wrote:
Sokes wrote:



Merger unlikely.


Exactly. Not happening. If there is any time to do it it is now. And not a whisper. So if it's not happening now it will never ever happen.


In a sensible world, you'd have one airport for the Emirates of Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Sharjah (perhaps DWC) and then have high speed rail links to each of the cities. But, because of the way the UAE works as a very decentralised country and the way the leaders rule with the attitude of "keeping up with the Joneses" against each other, then its unlikely to change any time in the near future. Then again, if someone had said at the start of this year that direct passenger flights would be announced between TLV and DXB later in the year, people would have been calling the men in white coats.

Perhaps it might be too much to make a direct comparison, but if the Etihad Rail network gets fully built out and is successful, it could perhaps encourage more cooperation between the different emirates when it comes to infrastructure, especially given the post Covid-19 world we live in now. Given everything that has happened in 2020, who knows what's around the corner...
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 1:16 pm

xwb777 wrote:
Any news or updates on Emirates A359 order cancellation rumor?


No, as there was no actual rumor to begin with. The poster who speculated it said it was just his speculation, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:17 pm

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xwb777 wrote:
Any news or updates on Emirates A359 order cancellation rumor?


No, as there was no actual rumor to begin with. The poster who speculated it said it was just his speculation, nothing more, nothing less.


Thank you for the clarification.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:06 pm

EK used to be larger than QR at SIN. EK is now down to just 5 weekly flights out of SIN while QR will soon be 2 daily at SIN (they were 3 daily at SIN). Any idea why QR is a lot more aggressive now in SIN when SIN used to be a major city in the EK network. I understand there was BNE/MEL transit in the past but QR even during COVID is doing double daily for SIN without onwards connection from SIN while EK is doing just 5 weekly? It seems like QR is taking this chance to gain a competitive edge and foothold in many cities while EK has reinstated its network much less aggressively.
 
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Fri Oct 09, 2020 6:59 pm

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EK used to be larger than QR at SIN. EK is now down to just 5 weekly flights out of SIN while QR will soon be 2 daily at SIN (they were 3 daily at SIN). Any idea why QR is a lot more aggressive now in SIN when SIN used to be a major city in the EK network. I understand there was BNE/MEL transit in the past but QR even during COVID is doing double daily for SIN without onwards connection from SIN while EK is doing just 5 weekly? It seems like QR is taking this chance to gain a competitive edge and foothold in many cities while EK has reinstated its network much less aggressively.


Just because metal shows up doesn’t mean it covers the cost, let alone make a profit. QR must also fly a bit cheaper with their A359/787’s vs EK’s 77W’s.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:03 am

Any updates on that A380 that EK retired a few months ago?
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:02 am

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Any updates on that A380 that EK retired a few months ago?


It is Still parked at DXB.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 12:15 pm

Emirates B777-300ER, A6-EBE, has left the fleet and departed Dubai to Ciudad Real Airport CQM on 06/10/2020 wearing a new registration, OE-ILS, to join GE Capital Aviation Services.

-EBE is a 15 years old aircraft.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 3:13 pm

will this also be used as feedstock for the cargo conversion?

xwb777 wrote:
Emirates B777-300ER, A6-EBE, has left the fleet and departed Dubai to Ciudad Real Airport CQM on 06/10/2020 wearing a new registration, OE-ILS, to join GE Capital Aviation Services.

-EBE is a 15 years old aircraft.
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:32 pm

Emirates A380 showers and bar are back

https://onemileatatime.com/emirates-bri ... rrzVkDuBn0
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 3:47 pm

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Emirates A380 showers and bar are back

https://onemileatatime.com/emirates-bri ... rrzVkDuBn0


With Etihad's A380s out of service indefinitely and with the possibility of them never flying again, could this mean that when Emirates does retire the A380 (probably by the 2030s in the best case scenario) we'll never again have inflight showers in planes? As far as I know, no future 777X operator plans to include inflight showers despite it being possible?
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:54 am

Emirates A380 updated Network as of 13/10/2020.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-13oct20/
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 9:59 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Emirates A380 showers and bar are back

https://onemileatatime.com/emirates-bri ... rrzVkDuBn0


With Etihad's A380s out of service indefinitely and with the possibility of them never flying again, could this mean that when Emirates does retire the A380 (probably by the 2030s in the best case scenario) we'll never again have inflight showers in planes? As far as I know, no future 777X operator plans to include inflight showers despite it being possible?

You'll always have that option in private jets :stirthepot:

But on a serious note I don't believe so - airlines will need all the real estate to make money.

The showers on EK A380 from my understanding is really just utilising some dead-end space.

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Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:38 am

Sir Tim Clark is optimisitc that the demand will return sooner rather than later.

The premium Economy Class which has been fitted on the newer A380s will be rolled out and launched next year. The premium economy cabin (56 seats) will be located at the front of the lower deck.

Link: https://www.executivetraveller.com/phot ... seat-1.jpg
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:43 pm

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Sir Tim Clark is optimisitc that the demand will return sooner rather than later.

The premium Economy Class which has been fitted on the newer A380s will be rolled out and launched next year. The premium economy cabin (56 seats) will be located at the front of the lower deck.

Link: https://www.executivetraveller.com/phot ... seat-1.jpg

I think a simpler explanation is STC could not convince Airbus to defer the remaining A380s and has no choice but to try to make it work.
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:48 pm

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I think a simpler explanation is STC could not convince Airbus to defer the remaining A380s and has no choice but to try to make it work.


Discussions on-going still. Emirates wants to cancel five. I think they will get their way
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:18 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
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I think a simpler explanation is STC could not convince Airbus to defer the remaining A380s and has no choice but to try to make it work.

Discussions on-going still. Emirates wants to cancel five. I think they will get their way

Wow, that would be a truly ignoble way to end the program. I have a hard time seeing that happen. Both Airbus and EK would lose face. Do we have any hints of that happening, such as A380s being flown from TLS to storage rather than XFW for outfitting?
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:57 pm

Revelation wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Revelation wrote:
I think a simpler explanation is STC could not convince Airbus to defer the remaining A380s and has no choice but to try to make it work.

Discussions on-going still. Emirates wants to cancel five. I think they will get their way

Wow, that would be a truly ignoble way to end the program. I have a hard time seeing that happen. Both Airbus and EK would lose face. Do we have any hints of that happening, such as A380s being flown from TLS to storage rather than XFW for outfitting?


I also have a (very) hard time seeing that happen !
EK has 8 outstanding orders which are all build already. 3 are parked in TLS and 5 are already in XFW ( 4 fully painted )
If, ( big if ) EK could find a way out it would for sure not cheap for them
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:38 am

oldJoe wrote:
Revelation wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Discussions on-going still. Emirates wants to cancel five. I think they will get their way

Wow, that would be a truly ignoble way to end the program. I have a hard time seeing that happen. Both Airbus and EK would lose face. Do we have any hints of that happening, such as A380s being flown from TLS to storage rather than XFW for outfitting?


I also have a (very) hard time seeing that happen !
EK has 8 outstanding orders which are all build already. 3 are parked in TLS and 5 are already in XFW ( 4 fully painted )
If, ( big if ) EK could find a way out it would for sure not cheap for them


This was reported in May 2020 by the Bloomberg news agency.

They are reputable and have no reasons to fabricate such news. 90pc of EK a380 grounded anyway, so makes sense they want to cancel. They already want out of the 350s as well.
 
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Fri Oct 16, 2020 9:57 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
oldJoe wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Wow, that would be a truly ignoble way to end the program. I have a hard time seeing that happen. Both Airbus and EK would lose face. Do we have any hints of that happening, such as A380s being flown from TLS to storage rather than XFW for outfitting?


I also have a (very) hard time seeing that happen !
EK has 8 outstanding orders which are all build already. 3 are parked in TLS and 5 are already in XFW ( 4 fully painted )
If, ( big if ) EK could find a way out it would for sure not cheap for them


This was reported in May 2020 by the Bloomberg news agency.

They are reputable and have no reasons to fabricate such news. 90pc of EK a380 grounded anyway, so makes sense they want to cancel. They already want out of the 350s as well.


No one doubts that EK wanted out of some of those final planes, but unfortunately getting your way is sometimes easier said than done. Airbus has no incentive to easily let EK out of the A380 contract- these are the final frames of an aircraft Airbus struggled to sell pre-pandemic, let alone now. Airbus does not want them parked undelivered and have to spend resources to try and get someone to eventually take them which could take years (Airbus already had enough fun with that song and dance several years ago with some NTU A345s). They want to wash themselves completely clean of the A380 program and have the only attention to it be continuing aftermarket support.

Since these are the final A380 frames, and part of a readjustment of EK’s earlier larger A380 order, EK does not have a favorable cancellation clause in the contract. We know this because there has been talk about EK wanting to get out of them since this past Spring and it is currently Fall wIth no changes to the A380 order.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 11:25 am

Polot wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
oldJoe wrote:

I also have a (very) hard time seeing that happen !
EK has 8 outstanding orders which are all build already. 3 are parked in TLS and 5 are already in XFW ( 4 fully painted )
If, ( big if ) EK could find a way out it would for sure not cheap for them


This was reported in May 2020 by the Bloomberg news agency.

They are reputable and have no reasons to fabricate such news. 90pc of EK a380 grounded anyway, so makes sense they want to cancel. They already want out of the 350s as well.


No one doubts that EK wanted out of some of those final planes, but unfortunately getting your way is sometimes easier said than done. Airbus has no incentive to easily let EK out of the A380 contract- these are the final frames of an aircraft Airbus struggled to sell pre-pandemic, let alone now. Airbus does not want them parked undelivered and have to spend resources to try and get someone to eventually take them which could take years (Airbus already had enough fun with that song and dance several years ago with some NTU A345s). They want to wash themselves completely clean of the A380 program and have the only attention to it be continuing aftermarket support.

Since these are the final A380 frames, and part of a readjustment of EK’s earlier larger A380 order, EK does not have a favorable cancellation clause in the contract. We know this because there has been talk about EK wanting to get out of them since this past Spring and it is currently Fall wIth no changes to the A380 order.


Assuming that EK does end up not taking up these frames and given that the secondary market for A380s is virtually non-existent, how likely is it that any untaken A380s would be scrapped?
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:09 pm

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Since these are the final A380 frames, and part of a readjustment of EK’s earlier larger A380 order, EK does not have a favorable cancellation clause in the contract. We know this because there has been talk about EK wanting to get out of them since this past Spring and it is currently Fall wIth no changes to the A380 order.


Yes, into fall and not a single delivery either - so what the does that tells you?

Says discusson ongoing because EK doesn't want them any mores. Also, contract tied to A350, which EK also wants out off, too much capacity, so somethings will have to give.
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:12 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Polot wrote:

Since these are the final A380 frames, and part of a readjustment of EK’s earlier larger A380 order, EK does not have a favorable cancellation clause in the contract. We know this because there has been talk about EK wanting to get out of them since this past Spring and it is currently Fall wIth no changes to the A380 order.


Yes, into fall and not a single delivery either - so what the does that tells you?

Says discusson ongoing because EK doesn't want them any mores. Also, contract tied to A350, which EK also wants out off, too much capacity, so somethings will have to give.

What if Airbus has forced Emirates to take them but pay later? A move by Airbus to clear the space from any parked or undelivered A380s.


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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:25 pm

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FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Polot wrote:

Since these are the final A380 frames, and part of a readjustment of EK’s earlier larger A380 order, EK does not have a favorable cancellation clause in the contract. We know this because there has been talk about EK wanting to get out of them since this past Spring and it is currently Fall wIth no changes to the A380 order.


Yes, into fall and not a single delivery either - so what the does that tells you?

Says discusson ongoing because EK doesn't want them any mores. Also, contract tied to A350, which EK also wants out off, too much capacity, so somethings will have to give.

What if Airbus has forced Emirates to take them but pay later? A move by Airbus to clear the space from any parked or undelivered A380s.


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I'm doubt it.

To date for 2020, nil A380 deliveries record by the Airbus group.

EK hasn't taken any. Force is strong words - can EK capitulate!!?? I don't thinking so. In current climate of the covids, cheaper tp pay penalty and cancel orders I think
 
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Re: Emirates Network & Fleet discussion 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:53 pm

EK has more than 200 planes, only widebodies, and they won't need half of them befor 2024/2025. They also have another 200 widebodies on order with delivery begining in 2022/2023 they absolutely won't need ...

EK want / need to cancel / delay everything but concidering they have already change their minds to much and to often, neither Airbus nor Boeing who face their own crisis now will let EK go easely.
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