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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:42 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
ATLANTA, GA - PR NEWSWIRE

"We thank the residents of Los Angeles for participating in our profit sharing event today where we gave away thousands of gallons of fuel.", said a Delta spokesperson. "We are thrilled to be a part of the Los Angeles community."


I hereby declare you winner of the internet for today!

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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:44 pm

If I were a parent of one of those kids I'd be suing the beep out of DL. Raining carcinogens on them...
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:47 pm

NiMar wrote:
If I were a parent of one of those kids I'd be suing the beep out of DL. Raining carcinogens on them...


We have to know the reason first. If it was a fire I would have done the same thing or just landed overweight. Depending on the fire.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:51 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
NiMar wrote:
If I were a parent of one of those kids I'd be suing the beep out of DL. Raining carcinogens on them...


We have to know the reason first. If it was a fire I would have done the same thing or just landed overweight. Depending on the fire.

I dunno.

Generally, if you break something, even if by accident, you are liable to the owners for what you broke. The reason why you broke it may have an effect on punitive damages to convince people not to do it again.

I’d say it’s too early to talk lawsuits, but this IS Los Angeles.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:52 pm

N212R wrote:
Delta PR will find a way to spin it though won't be easy with a bunch of burned kiddies. Helps to have friends in the Media. Delta legal will get the settlement signatures asap...back to business as usual.


The dramatics of some of the posts here.

Glad the plane managed to land safely.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:52 pm

n92r03 wrote:
Would Kansas City make it ok? C'mon people, let's be rational. Pretty sure the pilots did not think "cool, let's dump fuel when we don't need to and let's aim for a school". Some of you are such sensational alarmists, similar to the media these days.

The other day I spilled fuel on my hands, I was not happy as it smelled for a while. I did not call for a press conference or go to hospital. Good grief.



I don't get the impression that people are panicking or enraged, I think some people are genuinely curious about why fuel was dumped over buildings and schools when the ocean was about 15 miles away. Of course we're sure the captain has a rational explanation, but nothing wrong with wondering out loud.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:56 pm

alan3 wrote:
n92r03 wrote:
Would Kansas City make it ok? C'mon people, let's be rational. Pretty sure the pilots did not think "cool, let's dump fuel when we don't need to and let's aim for a school". Some of you are such sensational alarmists, similar to the media these days.

The other day I spilled fuel on my hands, I was not happy as it smelled for a while. I did not call for a press conference or go to hospital. Good grief.



I don't get the impression that people are panicking or enraged, I think some people are genuinely curious about why fuel was dumped over buildings and schools when the ocean was about 15 miles away. Of course we're sure the captain has a rational explanation, but nothing wrong with wondering out loud.


Curiosity is ok, though that explanation is relatively benign: if the aircraft needed to get on the ground ASAP, landing west was almost certainly the way to accomplish that. Loitering over the ocean waiting for ATC to clear traffic so they could land on a 6 or 7 almost certainly wasn’t.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:06 pm

Man those kids about to get paid.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:07 pm

ual763 wrote:
Sidenote: Must’ve been really darn low for the gasoline to not evaporate before hitting ground.
Actually, it was more a case of what's not there cannot evaporate there.
Jet fuel isn't gasoline, it's more closely related to kerosene.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:13 pm

Atlwarrior wrote:
Man those kids about to get paid.

I bet they get a free trip to Atlanta.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:20 pm

DL's taking a beating on social media right now. Don't think there's much worse DL could do (aside from crash) then harming children. I get it wasn't directly intentional, but don't mess with a scorned parent. Yikes!
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:28 pm

Kitesandtrains wrote:
ual763 wrote:
Sidenote: Must’ve been really darn low for the gasoline to not evaporate before hitting ground.
Actually, it was more a case of what's not there cannot evaporate there.
Jet fuel isn't gasoline, it's more closely related to kerosene.


Sorry, meant to just say gas. But, yes, Jet A is not gasoline.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:29 pm

This is just a cover up. No fuel was dumped, it was the chemicals. The chemtrail system failed and they needed ti fix it in order to have the correct amount on board when reaching the target.

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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:33 pm

Here's Avherald's report on the incident: https://www.avherald.com/h?article=4d1f4f9a&opt=0
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:34 pm

D L X wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
NiMar wrote:
If I were a parent of one of those kids I'd be suing the beep out of DL. Raining carcinogens on them...


We have to know the reason first. If it was a fire I would have done the same thing or just landed overweight. Depending on the fire.

I dunno.

Generally, if you break something, even if by accident, you are liable to the owners for what you broke. The reason why you broke it may have an effect on punitive damages to convince people not to do it again.

I’d say it’s too early to talk lawsuits, but this IS Los Angeles.

I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:36 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
D L X wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

We have to know the reason first. If it was a fire I would have done the same thing or just landed overweight. Depending on the fire.

I dunno.

Generally, if you break something, even if by accident, you are liable to the owners for what you broke. The reason why you broke it may have an effect on punitive damages to convince people not to do it again.

I’d say it’s too early to talk lawsuits, but this IS Los Angeles.

I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.


Well if AV Herald is correct and they did not request a fuel dump......
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:38 pm

NiMar wrote:
If I were a parent of one of those kids I'd be suing the beep out of DL. Raining carcinogens on them...


Kinda sets the tone of this thread doesn't it....

I dare say had you been on that plane you might have had a different opinion, but still sued DL for emotional distress.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:42 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
D L X wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

We have to know the reason first. If it was a fire I would have done the same thing or just landed overweight. Depending on the fire.

I dunno.

Generally, if you break something, even if by accident, you are liable to the owners for what you broke. The reason why you broke it may have an effect on punitive damages to convince people not to do it again.

I’d say it’s too early to talk lawsuits, but this IS Los Angeles.

I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.

City hall elevation is 120’. So hopefully no 12 story buildings there. Considering it’s one of the most densely populated cities in America, I think dumping at 2300’ was probably irresponsible and unprofessional.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:42 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
D L X wrote:
I dunno.

Generally, if you break something, even if by accident, you are liable to the owners for what you broke. The reason why you broke it may have an effect on punitive damages to convince people not to do it again.

I’d say it’s too early to talk lawsuits, but this IS Los Angeles.

I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.


Well if AV Herald is correct and they did not request a fuel dump......

I haven't see that but if thats true its definetely worse
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:44 pm

D L X wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
Man those kids about to get paid.

I bet they get a free trip to Atlanta.


You mean their parents will team together and sue the hell out of DL?
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:45 pm

Meh, the kids will walk it off ;-)

Out of LAX with an engine emergency issue you're kind of screwed either way as it's a city with an approach surrounded by densely populated suburbs, ocean, mountains and DTLA. I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Could it be that LAX Tower or ATC asked for it or something like that?
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:47 pm

D L X wrote:
Atlwarrior wrote:
Man those kids about to get paid.

I bet they get a free trip to Atlanta.


Ouch, the poor kids just got fuel dumped on them and now you want to punish them again!
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:47 pm

If the flight never got above 8,000 and some emergency caused them to immediately return to field, how the heck did the crew have time to ask for, get permission to, and execute a fuel dump? While simultaneously getting the aircraft ready for landing and handling whatever that emergency was? Fuel dumps are for situations where everything is stable but you want to avoid landing overweight during a diversion.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:48 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
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I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.


It was at 2375 ft. over Park Elementary, Cudahy CA. But there are several other schools and churches in its path. Not sure when they stopped dumping.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:49 pm

Lead story on ABC/NBC/CBS nightly news. It’s so juicy they can’t resist.

The first responders treated the children with soap and water.....

Regardless of the sensationalism there are legit questions about why they were doing a fuel dump at that location, school or not.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:50 pm

Just saw this on ABC evening news. It sounded like it was this terrible thing, 60+ emergency personnel showed up to treat the children, with soap and water. Poor children, they received a bath by a complete stranger.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:50 pm

The FAA will be investigating, according to their Twitter feed...

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https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1217213895066169345
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:50 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
D L X wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

We have to know the reason first. If it was a fire I would have done the same thing or just landed overweight. Depending on the fire.

I dunno.

Generally, if you break something, even if by accident, you are liable to the owners for what you broke. The reason why you broke it may have an effect on punitive damages to convince people not to do it again.

I’d say it’s too early to talk lawsuits, but this IS Los Angeles.

I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.

You are correct that harm is required.

But neither you nor I would be willing to stand 2000’ under a fuel dump. Fuel fumes are dangerous.

Headaches, nausea, memory loss, neurological delay...

I hope these kids don’t suffer these effects.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:51 pm

LittleFokker wrote:
If the flight never got above 8,000 and some emergency caused them to immediately return to field, how the heck did the crew have time to ask for, get permission to, and execute a fuel dump?

According to AVHerald, "The crew did not request fuel dump."
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:52 pm

So according to AVHerald they got the engine under control, did not request a fuel dump but merely requested to land... This should have been done over the ocean before landing.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:54 pm

N649DL wrote:
Meh, the kids will walk it off ;-)

Out of LAX with an engine emergency issue you're kind of screwed either way as it's a city with an approach surrounded by densely populated suburbs, ocean, mountains and DTLA. I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Could it be that LAX Tower or ATC asked for it or something like that?


How are you screwed over the ocean?
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:54 pm

boeing773er wrote:
Just saw this on ABC evening news. It sounded like it was this terrible thing, 60+ emergency personnel showed up to treat the children, with soap and water. Poor children, they received a bath by a complete stranger.


I'm sure the kids held their breath the whole time too. Lawyers are going to have a field day. Seems like an easy one to sway a jury. Surely DL is already figuring out what amount of money shuts this up.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:59 pm

flybucky wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
If the flight never got above 8,000 and some emergency caused them to immediately return to field, how the heck did the crew have time to ask for, get permission to, and execute a fuel dump?

According to AVHerald, "The crew did not request fuel dump."


I wonder how big of a violation that is and what sort of punishment the pilot could expect for executing an unauthorized fuel dump.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:03 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Meh, the kids will walk it off ;-)

Out of LAX with an engine emergency issue you're kind of screwed either way as it's a city with an approach surrounded by densely populated suburbs, ocean, mountains and DTLA. I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Could it be that LAX Tower or ATC asked for it or something like that?


How are you screwed over the ocean?


The aircraft can easily be ripped apart if it tries to ditch in the ocean. See US 1549 or that Ethiopian flight hijacked by terrorists. It depends on how dire the engine situation actually was.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:05 am

Not going to disagree with you, but the ET crash wasn't really a controlled ditching.....They were having a brawl in the cockpit.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:06 am

N649DL wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:
Meh, the kids will walk it off ;-)

Out of LAX with an engine emergency issue you're kind of screwed either way as it's a city with an approach surrounded by densely populated suburbs, ocean, mountains and DTLA. I'm sure there was a reason for it.

Could it be that LAX Tower or ATC asked for it or something like that?


How are you screwed over the ocean?


The aircraft can easily be ripped apart if it tries to ditch in the ocean. See US 1549 or that Ethiopian flight hijacked by terrorists. It depends on how dire the engine situation actually was.


Why would you ditch for an engine failure?
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:07 am

dstblj52 wrote:
I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.


I’ve worked many large oil spills in my career and exposure to gasoline and kerosene (like jet fuel) has been well litigated. There are several large speciality law firms in the US that are able to provide financial guidance to Delta’s legal group and attorneys representing the exposed. I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think anyone is due a windfall here (from what I’ve seen in the past). My biggest concern is what people inhaled. Jet fuel has benzene in it. I would be pretty upset if my family had jet fuel rain down on it.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:07 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

How are you screwed over the ocean?


The aircraft can easily be ripped apart if it tries to ditch in the ocean. See US 1549 or that Ethiopian flight hijacked by terrorists. It depends on how dire the engine situation actually was.


Why would you ditch for an engine failure?


US 1549 did. Well, rather a dual engine failure, but you get the point.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:12 am

GE90man wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
N649DL wrote:

The aircraft can easily be ripped apart if it tries to ditch in the ocean. See US 1549 or that Ethiopian flight hijacked by terrorists. It depends on how dire the engine situation actually was.


Why would you ditch for an engine failure?


US 1549 did. Well, rather a dual engine failure, but you get the point.


No I don’t get the point a single engine failure does not cause a ditch.........massive difference between a dual and single engine failure. One is catastrophic the other is a nucance
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:14 am

Oilman wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.


I’ve worked many large oil spills in my career and exposure to gasoline and kerosene (like jet fuel) has been well litigated. There are several large speciality law firms in the US that are able to provide financial guidance to Delta’s legal group and attorneys representing the exposed. I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think anyone is due a windfall here (from what I’ve seen in the past). My biggest concern is what people inhaled. Jet fuel has benzene in it. I would be pretty upset if my family had jet fuel rain down on it.

Good to know but if I had to guess delta wants this buried yesterday and if that can happen for say 50 million dollars its probably going to happen, because delta is very protective of their brand image and having it dragged through the mud by a crusading attorney not something they're going to want to have happen.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:24 am

dstblj52 wrote:
Oilman wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
I mean unless you're going to sue for phycological damage you're going to have a hard time showing damages, and so long as it was dropped 2000 feet above the tallest building on the path it was legal, so no regulatory fines.


I’ve worked many large oil spills in my career and exposure to gasoline and kerosene (like jet fuel) has been well litigated. There are several large speciality law firms in the US that are able to provide financial guidance to Delta’s legal group and attorneys representing the exposed. I’m not a lawyer, but I don’t think anyone is due a windfall here (from what I’ve seen in the past). My biggest concern is what people inhaled. Jet fuel has benzene in it. I would be pretty upset if my family had jet fuel rain down on it.

Good to know but if I had to guess delta wants this buried yesterday and if that can happen for say 50 million dollars its probably going to happen, because delta is very protective of their brand image and having it dragged through the mud by a crusading attorney not something they're going to want to have happen.


Fair point and I agree with you.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:25 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
I doubt the vapors touched unprotected skin are of any measurable quantity, assuming kids were playing outside in a short and t-shirt. The fumes might have scared them.


The kids were soaked per news reports. People on the ground said "it was raining fuel". This is not just people smelling some fumes and freaking out.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:29 am

Can Delta also receive an EPA fine for this since it appears as if it was not approved and/or justified?
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:30 am

DoctorVenkman wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
I doubt the vapors touched unprotected skin are of any measurable quantity, assuming kids were playing outside in a short and t-shirt. The fumes might have scared them.


The kids were soaked per news reports. People on the ground said "it was raining fuel". This is not just people smelling some fumes and freaking out.

News reports say a lot of things for clicks and ratings.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:30 am

The real question is whether DL89 dropped Prop 65 Warning leaflets before dumping fuel.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:31 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
Can Delta also receive an EPA fine for this since it appears as if it was not approved and/or justified?

Maybe, it wasn't approved but it might have been justified, and if they made a mayday call a lot of rules go out the window so it might be legal, that's all investigating it means.
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:32 am

dragon6172 wrote:
DoctorVenkman wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
I doubt the vapors touched unprotected skin are of any measurable quantity, assuming kids were playing outside in a short and t-shirt. The fumes might have scared them.


The kids were soaked per news reports. People on the ground said "it was raining fuel". This is not just people smelling some fumes and freaking out.

News reports say a lot of things for clicks and ratings.


Do you have any evidence that this was not the case? Or are you just baselessly defending Delta? The science posted upthread indicates that a large amount of fuel would not atomize given the low altitude it was dumped at. Unless you have any evidence to the contrary I am going to believe the news reports which are in line with our scientific understanding of how jet fuel behaves.
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:33 am

Fuel drops Keep Fallin' On My Head.........
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:36 am

DoctorVenkman wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
I doubt the vapors touched unprotected skin are of any measurable quantity, assuming kids were playing outside in a short and t-shirt. The fumes might have scared them.


The kids were soaked per news reports. People on the ground said "it was raining fuel". This is not just people smelling some fumes and freaking out.


You can listen to KTLA5 talking to first responders in the link I posted above.

I am still waiting for pax interview with Daily Mail. The usual "we thought we all going do die".
 
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Re: A DL 772, Flying LAX-PVG, Makes Emergency Landing And Dumps Fuel On School

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:39 am

DoctorVenkman wrote:
dragon6172 wrote:
DoctorVenkman wrote:

The kids were soaked per news reports. People on the ground said "it was raining fuel". This is not just people smelling some fumes and freaking out.

News reports say a lot of things for clicks and ratings.


Do you have any evidence that this was not the case? Or are you just baselessly defending Delta? The science posted upthread indicates that a large amount of fuel would not atomize given the low altitude it was dumped at. Unless you have any evidence to the contrary I am going to believe the news reports which are in line with our scientific understanding of how jet fuel behaves.


As per Los Angeles Times:

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-01-14/fuel-dumping-kids-jet-fuel-witness

“I saw an airplane and I thought smoke was coming out,” Miguel said. “Then when it got closer, I knew it was gas because a little bit fell on me.”

Miguel said fuel hit parts of his shirt and pants and that within an hour he had been sent home.

His mother, Ana, received a call about the events and rushed over to Park Avenue.

“Just a small amount landed on my son’s clothes and on his arms, but we washed him with soap and changed his clothes and he seems fine,” Ana Cervantes said.

When asked if she would destroy her son’s clothes as a precaution, Cervantes said such a measure was too drastic.
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