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BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:32 am

Delivered 11 Nov 1995, retired 14 Jan 2020. BA's first delivered 777, G-ZZZC.

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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:37 am

Being discussed here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1438045
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:39 am

So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:43 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.

Also not true - they retired (sold) ZZZE and ZZZD back in 2002.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:18 am

Noshow wrote:


Written off does not equal retirement, in no way did BA have a choice in whether it would fly again.

KFTG wrote:
Also not true - they retired (sold) ZZZE and ZZZD back in 2002.


Both of which went to serve with other airlines. Again, that's not retirement.

ZZZC perfectly fits the bill for the first retirement, as it is being withdrawn every intention to part out and scrap it.
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:17 pm

They had to retire one from the fleet and from service because it was damaged beyond repair. AFAIK it was stored for some time before being broken up.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:23 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.


That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?
 
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BAeRJ100 wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Also not true - they retired (sold) ZZZE and ZZZD back in 2002.


Both of which went to serve with other airlines. Again, that's not retirement.

ZZZC perfectly fits the bill for the first retirement, as it is being withdrawn every intention to part out and scrap it.

That is still retirement from BA. BA does what it thinks will get them the most money with the aircraft. If an airline offered BA enough money for ZZZC with the intention of operating it than BA will gladly sell the plane to them if it determined that the sale will net them more money than the scrapper will.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:46 pm

Retiring end of line B777s while still having new ones on order.
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:57 pm

Kno wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.


That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?


It's a non-ER so would have been on the shortest transatlantic routes, BOS/JFK and eastern Canada, as well as routes to northern Africa and Tel Aviv, could easily have done a lot of 4 hour sectors.

BA run 777s to and from MAD for cargo too, it may have been doing a lot of these runs later in its life.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:10 pm

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It's a non-ER so would have been on the shortest transatlantic routes, BOS/JFK and eastern Canada, as well as routes to northern Africa and Tel Aviv, could easily have done a lot of 4 hour sectors.


Indeed. Between Jan. 8 & 12, it has flown four roundtrips between LHR and ABV, which is under 4800 and 6 hours one-way.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 9:58 pm

The 777 "A" market frames that BA has flown / is flying made it as far as DXB, DOH, BAH.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:46 pm

alancostello wrote:
Kno wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.


That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?


It's a non-ER so would have been on the shortest transatlantic routes, BOS/JFK and eastern Canada, as well as routes to northern Africa and Tel Aviv, could easily have done a lot of 4 hour sectors.

BA run 777s to and from MAD for cargo too, it may have been doing a lot of these runs later in its life.

That average is way out. The amount of BOS/EWRs alone would drag the figure up, they were almost daily to EWR, and VERY rare to MAD. MCT/DOH/AUH were the other very common ones, all of which are over five hours and nearly six.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:23 pm

skipness1E wrote:
alancostello wrote:
Kno wrote:

That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?


It's a non-ER so would have been on the shortest transatlantic routes, BOS/JFK and eastern Canada, as well as routes to northern Africa and Tel Aviv, could easily have done a lot of 4 hour sectors.

BA run 777s to and from MAD for cargo too, it may have been doing a lot of these runs later in its life.

That average is way out. The amount of BOS/EWRs alone would drag the figure up, they were almost daily to EWR, and VERY rare to MAD. MCT/DOH/AUH were the other very common ones, all of which are over five hours and nearly six.

Even allowing for all those LHR-CDG flights for crew familiarisation upon delivery that does seem a very low figure.
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:33 pm

In the gallery for this aircraft, there are pictures of it at YYZ, JFK, PHL, BOS, MAD, CDG, TLV, IAD, BWI, EWR, DXB. Just based on these pictures, dIstancewise, IAD is the farthest from LHR.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:23 am

These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

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Re: BA retires first 777

Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:05 am

krisyyz wrote:
These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

KrisYYZ


Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:08 am

The 777As have spent almost all of their time flying Gulf sectors with double-drops like LHR-DXB-MCT when the 777s first arrived, LHR-BAH-DOH, LHR-AUH-MCT and some Riyadh and Jeddah flying where the slightly larger F cabin always came in handy. The short intra-Gulf tag sectors which those three aeroplanes have been doing for years will have dragged down the average hours:cycles ratio and so I'm not at all surprised it's 4h51. A third of sectors at an average of 50 minutes flying and two thirds at an average of 7 hours equals 4h58.
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:24 am

:cry:

Makes me sad to see 777's from the Seattle Music Era go. They were Boeing's first modern aircraft.
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Re: BA retires first 777

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:11 am

Kno wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.


That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?

The 777A models were originally conceived as high density medium range airplanes. They spend a lot of time on middle east flights at BA, and the occasional East Coast US. I do agree that it is still a little shorter than I would have thought
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:13 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

KrisYYZ


Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 am

skipness1E wrote:
Retiring end of line B777s while still having new ones on order.
There's not enough new stuff in my world !

TBH This is no different than airlines replacing 742s with 744s (or 744s with 748s in the case of literally one airline)
 
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speedbird52 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Retiring end of line B777s while still having new ones on order.
There's not enough new stuff in my world !

TBH This is no different than airlines replacing 742s with 744s (or 744s with 748s in the case of literally one airline)


Big difference between a 742 and 744 though. All the -200/-300 series 777's are very similar.

It's like taking a 1982 767-200 and comparing it with a last off the line 2012 767-300ER, they're about 90% identical. Same with a 1988 A320 vs. 2018 A320 CEO etc...
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:23 am

1989worstyear wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Retiring end of line B777s while still having new ones on order.
There's not enough new stuff in my world !

TBH This is no different than airlines replacing 742s with 744s (or 744s with 748s in the case of literally one airline)


Big difference between a 742 and 744 though. All the -200/-300 series 777's are very similar.

Correct but the bulk of new order 777s for BA are 779s. They only have 4 77Ws on order and I think they will all be leased. (Correct me if I am wrong because I would love to catch them at KPAE if they aren't)
 
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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:26 am

speedbird52 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
TBH This is no different than airlines replacing 742s with 744s (or 744s with 748s in the case of literally one airline)


Big difference between a 742 and 744 though. All the -200/-300 series 777's are very similar.

Correct but the bulk of new order 777s for BA are 779s. They only have 4 77Ws on order and I think they will all be leased. (Correct me if I am wrong because I would love to catch them at KPAE if they aren't)


Oops.. forgot about the -9's :oops: . I think you're right.
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Re: BA retires first 777

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:26 am

speedbird52 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

KrisYYZ


Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s


G-RAES was registered in tribute to the Royal Aeronautical Society I believe, I used to be a member and there was quite a bit a fanfare when the aircraft was registered.

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Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:33 am

AstanaMagic wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s


G-RAES was registered in tribute to the Royal Aeronautical Society I believe, I used to be a member and there was quite a bit a fanfare when the aircraft was registered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aer ... al_Society

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speedbird52 wrote:
AstanaMagic wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s


G-RAES was registered in tribute to the Royal Aeronautical Society I believe, I used to be a member and there was quite a bit a fanfare when the aircraft was registered.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Aer ... al_Society

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speedbird52 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Retiring end of line B777s while still having new ones on order.
There's not enough new stuff in my world !

TBH This is no different than airlines replacing 742s with 744s (or 744s with 748s in the case of literally one airline)


It's also removing what are effectively oddballs in BA's large 777 fleet, even though their limited range versus the 77E's made them ideal for the shorter 777 sectors BA operate, and in return are getting larger aircraft and a more versatile 777 fleet.
 
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1989worstyear wrote:
:cry:

Makes me sad to see 777's from the Seattle Music Era go. They were Boeing's first modern aircraft.


I still remember the first ones (along with UA and CX) taking part in flight tests during recess in 4th grade when they'd fly over my elementary school on their way to BFI. Hard to believe the was almost 26 years ago now. Not a bad run for those birds!
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:40 pm

This has to be one of the first 777s to hit 100,000 hours.
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:39 pm

Kno wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.


That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?


For much of their careers BA's "A" model 777s worked on Middle-East routes which had very short tags e.g. LHR-BAH-DOH or LHR-AUH-MCT. Those short tags will have dramatically reduced the average sector time.
 
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Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:02 am

speedbird52 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

KrisYYZ


Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s[/quote

Singapore & EL-AL too, probably more. I was always led to believe it was the most popular engine on the B772.
 
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Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:24 am

Tedd wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s[/quote

Singapore & EL-AL too, probably more. I was always led to believe it was the most popular engine on the B772.

I read somewhere that for pre-77W/77L 777 models RR has just shy of half of the market (49% something) so definitely the most popular one.

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Tedd wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s[/quote

Singapore & EL-AL too, probably more. I was always led to believe it was the most popular engine on the B772.

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I remember going to the 777 rollout ceremony back in 1994, this makes me feel old :old:
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skipness1E wrote:
Tedd wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:

Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg? As for the Rolls, I believe AA DL Cathay ANZ, and Kenya Airways all use RR engines. Cathay have a couple 773As still using them I think, but the 772ERs and 772As are gone. EK Also had some RR 773s[/quote

Singapore & EL-AL too, probably more. I was always led to believe it was the most popular engine on the B772.

Read up.
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Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:50 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

KrisYYZ


Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?


Only BA and DL chose RR Trent 895 version on their 77E. No RR-powered 773 were delivered with 895 version.
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Does anyone know the story behind why G-RAES has such an out of place reg?


It’s a nod to the Royal Aeronautical Society (RAeS).
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Auchmithie wrote:
Kno wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
So it's a double first. The first 777 they decide to retire (aside from damaged frames) that happens to be the first they received. "It has flown for 20,663 cycles. In this time it has flown for an amazing 100,311 hours." That's an average of 4h51 per flight.


That sounds abnormally short, I would have thought the flights their 777s fly average between 6-8 hours?


For much of their careers BA's "A" model 777s worked on Middle-East routes which had very short tags e.g. LHR-BAH-DOH or LHR-AUH-MCT. Those short tags will have dramatically reduced the average sector time.


They flew a lot of NYLON too, so sectors around 6-7 hours there.
 
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The 777As have spent almost all of their time flying Gulf sectors with double-drops like LHR-DXB-MCT when the 777s first arrived, LHR-BAH-DOH, LHR-AUH-MCT and some Riyadh and Jeddah flying where the slightly larger F cabin always came in handy. The short intra-Gulf tag sectors which those three aeroplanes have been doing for years will have dragged down the average hours:cycles ratio and so I'm not at all surprised it's 4h51. A third of sectors at an average of 50 minutes flying and two thirds at an average of 7 hours equals 4h58.

This is spot on — the As had a monopoly for years on the LHR AUH MCT with the 50 minute tag on, plus the occasional ferry to Cardiff for heavy maintenance. Not sure the As did much Gatwick flying but a 777 ferries once a week (I think Sunday night) between LGW and LHR and when flown at 10pm with no holding or much in the way of speed restriction it can be a sub 20 minute hop. Taking off from the 27s heading for Cardiff could be a 20 minute sector also.
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One of the first, if not the first, BA 777 routes was CAI. The 'ZZZ' 777As were certainly on the Cairo run in January '96. I can't remember how long that went on for, but it would have brought down the sector time average.
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Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:00 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
One of the first, if not the first, BA 777 routes was CAI. The 'ZZZ' 777As were certainly on the Cairo run in January '96. I can't remember how long that went on for, but it would have brought down the sector time average.
BA Engineering has a close relationship with the RAeS. Waterside, the BA HQ, is regularly used to host RAeS presentations.

Initial and subsequent shakedown route for the early 777 deliveries was LHR-CDG-LHR.

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Re: BA retires first 777

Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:11 pm

Not sure the As did much Gatwick flying but a 777 ferries once a week (I think Sunday night) between LGW and LHR and when flown at 10pm with no holding or much in the way of speed restriction it can be a sub 20 minute hop.


I can't think I've ever seen a BA 777A model aircraft at Gatwick. They would be limited even on Gatwick-Bermuda due to the additional fuel you had to take for a diversion ex BDA if needed, if my memory serves me rightly.

Always remember flying on ZZZD back in the day when BA had just taken delivery of it. The seat-back IFE was a major step forward versus the 767-300ERs which didn't have it, back in those days. How times have changed!
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Mon Jan 20, 2020 9:46 pm

The G-ZZZs have never been based at Gatwick, in fact I don't think G-ZZZC ever went to Gatwick, nor the previously retired G-ZZZD & G-ZZZE. G-ZZZA & G-ZZZB have been to Gatwick but rarely only on diverts etc.

The first British Airways 777 ever to land on UK soil was N77779 which became G-ZZZA. It arrived on 20 April 1995 in the morning for some PR with British Airways before leaving that evening back to Seattle. It was parked at BA maintenance, I remember they parked a 737 next to it as at the time a big thing was made of the GE90 being the same diameter as a 737 fuselage. Later the 777 was towed to Terminal 4. G-ZZZC was the first 777 delivered to Heathrow on 12/11/95 and flew Heathrow to Paris rotations as has already been mentioned. Delivery was delayed due to certification of the GE90 which BA was the launch customer.

Of course it was entirely a coincidence that two days before N77779's visit to Heathrow on 18 April 1995 N771UA visited which was the first 777 to visit Heathrow. It was parked by Uniteds hanger and office complex south of T4.

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Re: BA retires first 777

Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:02 pm

[threeid][/threeid]
vorellanaj wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
krisyyz wrote:
These ZZZ frames are the ones with GE90-77B engines?

KrisYYZ


Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?


Only BA and DL chose RR Trent 895 version on their 77E. No RR-powered 773 were delivered with 895 version.

That’s not correct EL-AL are 895-17s also.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Mon Jan 20, 2020 10:24 pm

RB211trent wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
vorellanaj wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

Close - 76B engines. Then G-VIIA to -O (plus - RAES) have 85B engines, and the rest of the -VIIx frames are 90B engines. Afterward, with the YMM units, BA went to the RR Trent 895-17. Did any other carrier opt for the Trent 895?


Only BA and DL chose RR Trent 895 version on their 77E. No RR-powered 773 were delivered with 895 version.

That’s not correct EL-AL are 895-17s also.

Air New Zealand's 777-200ER's are Trent 895 powered too.
 
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Re: BA retires first 777

Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:15 am

Crosswind wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
One of the first, if not the first, BA 777 routes was CAI. The 'ZZZ' 777As were certainly on the Cairo run in January '96. I can't remember how long that went on for, but it would have brought down the sector time average.

Initial and subsequent shakedown route for the early 777 deliveries was LHR-CDG-LHR.

Best Regards
CROSSWIND

Yes, I know that when they were first delivered BA put the 777 on LHR-CDG for crew familiarisation and hour building.
My point was that soon after the first delivery in November '95 the 'ZZZ' 777As were serving CAI. I did not see CAI mentioned in an earlier post (apologies if I missed it).
So, for clarity:
One of the first, if not the first, regular BA 777 routes was CAI. The 'ZZZ' 777As were certainly on the Cairo run in January '96. I can't remember how long that went on for, but it would have brought down the sector time average.
Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
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Re: BA retires first 777

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:14 am

I would like to see the first BA 777 preserved in a museum.

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