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SoCalFlyer
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:16 pm

unusualattitude wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Reduced to 15 flights a day. OAK is closing. Vegas and SMF reduced. No planned flight hour cuts for pilots or inflight at this time. But inflight has a about 180ish people based there. That’s a lot for 15 flights.


Yes but they also have all of the LAX non mint flying that they staff as well.



LGB inflight do not operate MINT flights. Because the entire inflight crew stays together from the East coast. Only JFK/BOS Inflight operate MINT planes. The pilots do fly them, however.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:22 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
unusualattitude wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Reduced to 15 flights a day. OAK is closing. Vegas and SMF reduced. No planned flight hour cuts for pilots or inflight at this time. But inflight has a about 180ish people based there. That’s a lot for 15 flights.


Yes but they also have all of the LAX non mint flying that they staff as well.



LGB inflight do not operate MINT flights. Because the entire inflight crew stays together from the East coast. Only JFK/BOS Inflight operate MINT planes. The pilots do fly them, however.


I did say NON mint in my post. There are non mint markets like BUF and MCO that could be staffed with LGB inflight.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:25 pm

unusualattitude wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
unusualattitude wrote:

Yes but they also have all of the LAX non mint flying that they staff as well.



LGB inflight do not operate MINT flights. Because the entire inflight crew stays together from the East coast. Only JFK/BOS Inflight operate MINT planes. The pilots do fly them, however.


I did say NON mint in my post. There are non mint markets like BUF and MCO that could be staffed with LGB inflight.



True but its 2 flights a day. Still way overstaffed for that demand.
 
wnflyguy
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:33 pm

LGB-SMF,SJC and OAK no longer bookable starting April 29 2020.

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SoCalFlyer
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:34 pm

unusualattitude wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
unusualattitude wrote:

Yes but they also have all of the LAX non mint flying that they staff as well.



LGB inflight do not operate MINT flights. Because the entire inflight crew stays together from the East coast. Only JFK/BOS Inflight operate MINT planes. The pilots do fly them, however.


I did say NON mint in my post. There are non mint markets like BUF and MCO that could be staffed with LGB inflight.



Those are only 2 flights. Still far too many crew members. I think they’ll wait for attrition or voluntary transfers, but I’m not sure.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:35 pm

25 ground positions at LGB cut. Sad day.


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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:37 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
LGB-SMF,SJC and OAK no longer bookable starting April 29 2020.

Flyguy


That’s still just 6 daily flights. Still one more flight to cut to bring daily frequencies down from 22 to 15.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm

If they do indeed get more gates at LAX in the future MSC, wouldn't be surprised to see them leave LGB (maybe shift a few to SNA).
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:41 pm

gregn21 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
LGB-SMF,SJC and OAK no longer bookable starting April 29 2020.

Flyguy


That’s still just 6 daily flights. Still one more flight to cut to bring daily frequencies down from 22 to 15.


Las loses a flight.

Can we confirm oak is getting cut completely?
 
wnflyguy
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:42 pm

gregn21 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
LGB-SMF,SJC and OAK no longer bookable starting April 29 2020.

Flyguy


That’s still just 6 daily flights. Still one more flight to cut to bring daily frequencies down from 22 to 15.

LGB-LAS dropping to 4>3 a day. Also.

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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:44 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
If they do indeed get more gates at LAX in the future MSC, wouldn't be surprised to see them leave LGB (maybe shift a few to SNA).


Business friendly Long Beach drops another turd in their own backyard.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:50 pm

tphuang wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
wnflyguy wrote:
LGB-SMF,SJC and OAK no longer bookable starting April 29 2020.

Flyguy


That’s still just 6 daily flights. Still one more flight to cut to bring daily frequencies down from 22 to 15.


Las loses a flight.

Can we confirm oak is getting cut completely?


I think so. I don't see it loaded onto jetblue.com from May onward.(either from LGB or JFK).

I think LGB-SJC also got canned (finally).
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:52 pm

Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:53 pm

jetbluefan1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
gregn21 wrote:

That’s still just 6 daily flights. Still one more flight to cut to bring daily frequencies down from 22 to 15.


Las loses a flight.

Can we confirm oak is getting cut completely?


I think so. I don't see it loaded onto jetblue.com from May onward.(either from LGB or JFK).

I think LGB-SJC also got canned (finally).


Isn’t WN flying SJC-LGB 4x?
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:07 pm

Leaving OAK entirely? They just announced increased frequency to BOS a few weeks ago.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:07 pm

AirFiero wrote:
jetbluefan1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

Las loses a flight.

Can we confirm oak is getting cut completely?


I think so. I don't see it loaded onto jetblue.com from May onward.(either from LGB or JFK).

I think LGB-SJC also got canned (finally).


Isn’t WN flying SJC-LGB 4x?

Yes, numbers were bad before wn started and got even worse with wn presence.

Oak short haul numbers were better, but sjc transcons especially out of boston were much better. So oak gets axed.

I presume we will see the following two things:
Bad q1 numbers
Further expansion at Boston to counter aa moves.

Lgb is just the easiest part of JetBlue network to cut when things are not going well.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:17 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:20 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


Citizens are always free to approach a city. In fact, why don't they take their grievances to Long Beach city hall right now and picket the entrance.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:20 pm

ucdtim17 wrote:
Leaving OAK entirely? They just announced increased frequency to BOS a few weeks ago.


I think it's 1x daily summer...
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:22 pm

catiii wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

Pilots get paid Per the hour. If they have less flights they get paid less
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:24 pm

catiii wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

If you are cutting the number of flights, but keeping the same number of pilots, something has to give no matter what you say. Either flight hours or number of pilots.

I suspect JetBlue is waiting for attrition or voluntary leave.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:25 pm

Great new for Southwest which is looking for more slots. Believe it was Andrew Watterson the chief revenue officer that tweeted a few weeks back they wanted to grow LGB as slots become available.
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:29 pm

32andBelow wrote:
catiii wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

Pilots get paid Per the hour. If they have less flights they get paid less


You just made my point. They're keeping the same number of hours in the base. You think LGB pilots only fly to and from LGB?
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:32 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
JoseSalazar wrote:
Should have held on and made it just a 220 base, with a small 321 crew base at LAX. Would have been a lot lower CASM and easier to break even/make money/preserve market share, and probably a lot better for the NIMBYs, as those things are way quieter than A320CEOs.


For a NIMBY, it's not the noise level of the plane - it's the reality that there is a plane (at a time of day that disagrees with them). They may not acknowledge quieter as better. And they certainly don't want more ops.

I know it’s not you but crazy idea for a NIMBY, don’t live close to an airport nearly 100 years old.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:34 pm

You guys act like an airline has never had a crew base at a small outstation before. There are plenty of non-MINT trips they can build off of LGB-LAS/SLC/AUS and all the non-mint LAX routes. The easy way is to take routes like BOS-LAS that are presumably currently running with a BOS crew and instead make it an LGB crew bridged over LAS.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:36 pm

janders wrote:
Great new for Southwest which is looking for more slots. Believe it was Andrew Watterson the chief revenue officer that tweeted a few weeks back they wanted to grow LGB as slots become available.



Bad news for the consumer. WN’s fares are nowhere what they used to be in their glory days and usually a bit higher than legacy carriers on many routes when I’m booking business travel for my team. To pay those prices without a guaranteed seat and cattle herding boarding process is a joke.

I do hope B6 spreads the loss over a swath of other So-Cal airports. They usually have not only the best price, but the best offering of any carrier.

Good luck to WN with low hanging fruit, poor yields, a crappy city government, and neo-fascist NIMBY zombies.
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SoCalFlyer
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:37 pm

drdisque wrote:
You guys act like an airline has never had a crew base at a small outstation before. There are plenty of non-MINT trips they can build off of LGB-LAS/SLC/AUS and all the non-mint LAX routes. The easy way is to take routes like BOS-LAS that are presumably currently running with a BOS crew and instead make it an LGB crew bridged over LAS.



I don’t think anyone is saying that. But, I’ve never heard of a small outstation that has 15 departures with 181 FA’s. I’m not sure how many pilots there are.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:38 pm

catiii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
catiii wrote:

What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

Pilots get paid Per the hour. If they have less flights they get paid less


You just made my point. They're keeping the same number of hours in the base. You think LGB pilots only fly to and from LGB?

What tends to happen when an airline wants to reduce a base without paying relocation is they create a bunch of really crappy trips out of that base and suddenly attrition really picks up
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:46 pm

I'm sad to hear the cuts. I love flying from LGB. This is 7 fewer reasons to do so.

I hope growth at LAX happens.
Winter is coming.
 
32andBelow
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:48 pm

catiii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
catiii wrote:

What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

Pilots get paid Per the hour. If they have less flights they get paid less


You just made my point. They're keeping the same number of hours in the base. You think LGB pilots only fly to and from LGB?

They’d be home less and probably less reserve lines for the guys who likes those.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:53 pm

Revelation wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Image

Damn, that seems ominous...


How is that Ominous. We get notices of the same look at work on a regular basis. It's just a notice.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:54 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours.


The cut in flight hours is somewhat smaller than it might appear. The seven cut frequencies are all in short-haul markets, and the total flight hours for those seven daily round-trips are roughly equivalent to two daily round-trips from LGB or LAX to the East Coast. So, as others have posited, simply running LAX-MCO and LAX-BUF with LGB crews would be enough to make up for the lost flights. On the minus side, I'd guess LGB crews will end up with fewer nights at home unless they weren't operating the short hauls as out-and-back trips.

11C wrote:
Business friendly Long Beach drops another turd in their own backyard.


How do you figure? LGB will still have more service than it did in 2015.
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:57 pm

Death by a 1000 cuts. Wish B6 would simply admit defeat and move on.

And yes, should be good for SWA. They will be able to grow their SoCal presence further and help alleviate growth restrictions they face at SNA and LAX.
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:01 pm

B6 is closing the following:

BOS to OAK 1X daily summer only 4/28
JFK to OAK 1X daily 4/28
LGB to OAK 2X daily 4/28

BOS to HAV Sat Only 4/25
FLL to BGI 1X daily 4/27
FLL to STI 4-7X weekly 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
LGB to SJC 2X daily 4/28
MCO to HAV 1X daily 4/28
MCO to PAP 1X daily 4/28

FLY
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:02 pm

I hope UA makes an attempt for a few slots. Would be good to continue investing in California. Rumor is that OAK will open this summer to DEN and LAX, would like to see LGB to DEN and SFO as well.
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:04 pm

flyiguy wrote:
B6 is closing the following:

BOS to OAK 1X daily summer only 4/28
JFK to OAK 1X daily 4/28
LGB to OAK 2X daily 4/28

BOS to HAV Sat Only 4/25
FLL to BGI 1X daily 4/27
FLL to STI 4-7X weekly 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
MCO to HAV 1X daily 4/28
MCO to PAP 1X daily 4/28

FLY


Has there been any mention on where they are redeploying these planes? They tend to announce new routes/frequencies when announcing reductions
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:09 pm

Seems like airlines that fly to SNA do fine with curfews and slots. But ok. Love the lack of logic on here.
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:10 pm

transportgeek wrote:
flyiguy wrote:
B6 is closing the following:

BOS to OAK 1X daily summer only 4/28
JFK to OAK 1X daily 4/28
LGB to OAK 2X daily 4/28

BOS to HAV Sat Only 4/25
FLL to BGI 1X daily 4/27
FLL to STI 4-7X weekly 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
MCO to HAV 1X daily 4/28
MCO to PAP 1X daily 4/28

FLY


Has there been any mention on where they are redeploying these planes? They tend to announce new routes/frequencies when announcing reductions


JFK-GUA 1Daily
JFK-BNA 2Daily
JFK-BZN 3X-7X Weekly (Seasonal)
BOS-BZN 2X Weekly (Seasonal)

Seasonal frequency additions to FLL-PVD, JFK-BGI/LAS/MBJ, MCO-CUN/MBJ/RIC
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:13 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Death by a 1000 cuts. Wish B6 would simply admit defeat and move on.

And yes, should be good for SWA. They will be able to grow their SoCal presence further and help alleviate growth restrictions they face at SNA and LAX.

There is no reason to cut routes that make money. I think they are waiting for more LAX gates.

But eventually, I think LGB will be down to just JFK/BOS.
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:13 pm

transportgeek wrote:
flyiguy wrote:
B6 is closing the following:

BOS to OAK 1X daily summer only 4/28
JFK to OAK 1X daily 4/28
LGB to OAK 2X daily 4/28

BOS to HAV Sat Only 4/25
FLL to BGI 1X daily 4/27
FLL to STI 4-7X weekly 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
LGB to SMF 2X daily 4/28
MCO to HAV 1X daily 4/28
MCO to PAP 1X daily 4/28

FLY


Has there been any mention on where they are redeploying these planes? They tend to announce new routes/frequencies when announcing reductions


GUA, BZN and BNA were added
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/ ... 005761/en/

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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:21 pm

Any other rumored growth in response to this at LAX, SAN, BUR, or ONT?
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:30 pm

wnflyguy wrote:
LGB-SMF,SJC and OAK no longer bookable starting April 29 2020.

Flyguy


Cue WN's application for the slots in 3,2,1...
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:34 pm

tphuang wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Death by a 1000 cuts. Wish B6 would simply admit defeat and move on.

And yes, should be good for SWA. They will be able to grow their SoCal presence further and help alleviate growth restrictions they face at SNA and LAX.

There is no reason to cut routes that make money. I think they are waiting for more LAX gates.

But eventually, I think LGB will be down to just JFK/BOS.


The cycle is so predictable though. Sure, the remaining flights make money currently. But soon costs will go up as LGB’s fixed expenses are spread over 7 fewer flights. And more competition will arrive as WN starts flying 3-4x daily LAS for example. Whatever loyalty is left out west will continue to shrink as well.

Really the only good argument I see for not ripping the bandaid off is that they don’t want to overload BOS with too much capacity all at once.
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:36 pm

Jet Blue may have tried to do at Long Beach what they couldn't do at LAX But just the same they could diversify in So Cal and go to ONT, BUR,SNA,SAN and LAX until they can consolidate at one particular airport where they're seeing good revenue returns They're not the first to fail at LGB and they probably won't be the last,
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:41 pm

Polot wrote:
catiii wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

If you are cutting the number of flights, but keeping the same number of pilots, something has to give no matter what you say. Either flight hours or number of pilots.

I suspect JetBlue is waiting for attrition or voluntary leave.


Wrong!!! Just because LGB reduces flying doesn't mean there will be a reduction in flight hours for anyone in the base. During trip construction, the company can simply use LGB crews in other areas to cover flying from another base and then fly them back to LGB on the last day of the trip. As a west cost based pilot I have often flown to the east coast to fly in and out of NYC for a few days to cover NYC flying only to be flown back west on the last day. This happens often to cover seasonal changes in flying or for operational needs.
 
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:44 pm

They did increase service at BUR recently, with BUR BOS and another JFK.
 
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:50 pm

Polot wrote:
catiii wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
Q&A style happening now. People are pissed. The pilots are going off. The elephant in the room is the huge loss with flight hours. People are asking why don’t we approach the city again, but every knows that’s a lost cause.


What huge loss? Hours in base stay the same.

If you are cutting the number of flights, but keeping the same number of pilots, something has to give no matter what you say. Either flight hours or number of pilots.

I suspect JetBlue is waiting for attrition or voluntary leave.

It's not like Pilots are easy to come by. go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com and look at the airline profiles of the 4 largest majors and see how many pilots they're going to replace over the next 5 years then tell us HOW B6 is going to get rid of Pilots. What they need? Is a better Plan by Management. and maybe a western central Hub to feed flights into the west coast B6 is a shake and Bake kind of company. They don't want to really build a network, they just seem to want to go Poof! and expect a network I mean how long did it take WN to become what we know today?
 
catiii
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:57 pm

SoCalFlyer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
You guys act like an airline has never had a crew base at a small outstation before. There are plenty of non-MINT trips they can build off of LGB-LAS/SLC/AUS and all the non-mint LAX routes. The easy way is to take routes like BOS-LAS that are presumably currently running with a BOS crew and instead make it an LGB crew bridged over LAS.



I don’t think anyone is saying that. But, I’ve never heard of a small outstation that has 15 departures with 181 FA’s. I’m not sure how many pilots there are.


DL in PDX comes to mind.
 
cynlb
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Re: Updated: Jetblue trims LGB further

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:17 pm

Here's an article in the LB Post to recap-
https://lbpost.com/news/jetblue-cancels ... -Ru-TTW1Ew
 
drdisque
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Re: Jetblue senior leadership meeting at LGB

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:19 pm

catiii wrote:
SoCalFlyer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
You guys act like an airline has never had a crew base at a small outstation before. There are plenty of non-MINT trips they can build off of LGB-LAS/SLC/AUS and all the non-mint LAX routes. The easy way is to take routes like BOS-LAS that are presumably currently running with a BOS crew and instead make it an LGB crew bridged over LAS.



I don’t think anyone is saying that. But, I’ve never heard of a small outstation that has 15 departures with 181 FA’s. I’m not sure how many pilots there are.


DL in PDX comes to mind.


In the winter schedule DL has 20.5 mainline departures (AMS is less than daily). 2.5 of those (NRT, 1x ATL, and AMS) are on the 767-300. Obviously flying there increases in the summer.

So DL's crew needs at PDX are higher than B6's will be in LGB, but not by a ton.

I was thinking more along the lines of Republic's IND, SDF, and CMH bases and Trans States & GoJet's STL base
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