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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:59 pm

The future fleet of SAA needs to be A350 and A330. They dropped MUC. So their destinations left are JFK (A350), IAD-ACC (A330), LHR (A330), FRA (A330), PER (A330), and HKG (A332). I have no idea if the HKG flight can be made with the A332 but if they get more A350's it should go to HKG due to the high Chinese investment in SA.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:02 pm

Sell their A343 and A346 for as much as they can. Then find a way to get A339 and A359?
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:20 pm

x1234 wrote:
The future fleet of SAA needs to be A350 and A330. They dropped MUC. So their destinations left are JFK (A350), IAD-ACC (A330), LHR (A330), FRA (A330), PER (A330), and HKG (A332). I have no idea if the HKG flight can be made with the A332 but if they get more A350's it should go to HKG due to the high Chinese investment in SA.


HKG is not operating at the moment, since November already, and keeps being postponed for resumption...not so sure it will resume...and CAN will probably not start as was planned.

GRU is still operating daily (A330)
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:07 pm

x1234 wrote:
The future fleet of SAA needs to be A350 and A330. They dropped MUC. So their destinations left are JFK (A350), IAD-ACC (A330), LHR (A330), FRA (A330), PER (A330), and HKG (A332). I have no idea if the HKG flight can be made with the A332 but if they get more A350's it should go to HKG due to the high Chinese investment in SA.


They dropped MUC?? Source please, I just did a dummy booking JNB-MUC Jun-Nov and its operated by an A332..

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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:45 pm

MUC continues to be served.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:17 pm

TriStar500 wrote:
MUC continues to be served.

Not according to my source, and if you try to book JNB-MUC on flysaa.com it is via FRA.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:59 pm

dampfnudel wrote:
andz wrote:
I was at Airways Park about an hour ago and they are holding a lunchtime prayer vigil in the atrium to pray for the airline's future.

They probably were praying for a foreign angel to bail them out.

A sad end to what was once one of the world's premier airlines...
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:40 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Iran could use these planes to replace more ancient ones they have.

They would have to buy them from a thrid party if SAA is to avoid US sanctions.

Anytime a thread comes up about an airline retiring any wide body type on a.net there’s always somebody who pipes up with “Iran could do with that”, I’ve got nothing politically against Iran but it’s getting boring.

well? It's actually True. Iran really Could use them. It depends on whether President Trump gets another term as Iran might want to change their tune to another US President and start acting right. I don't think the USA is actually worries about Iran but they make a LOT of noise and nobody cares to HEAR any of it in the USA. And? Since the USA carries a lot of clout? Nobody is going to slit their Wrists just to help them. Even the Saudi's can't stand them and that's saying something!!
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:47 am

andz wrote:
TriStar500 wrote:
MUC continues to be served.

Not according to my source, and if you try to book JNB-MUC on flysaa.com it is via FRA.



Not according to my LH profile. I am on that flight in July.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:00 am

TriStar500 wrote:
andz wrote:
TriStar500 wrote:
MUC continues to be served.

Not according to my source, and if you try to book JNB-MUC on flysaa.com it is via FRA.



Not according to my LH profile. I am on that flight in July.


For now it's only this week cancelled, scheduled to resume on Saturday...however this route stands a good chance to be chopped if hard decision are to be taken.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:43 pm

"O. R. Tambo International Airport is a hot and high airport. Situated almost 1,700 metres (5,500 feet) above mean sea level, the air is thin.[16] The thinner air is also the reason for the longer than usual runways."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O._R._Tam ... al_Airport

If an airline which operates mostly from a hot and high airport doesn't want the A340 any more, who should buy it?
Is the A340 really so bad for them, or did a politician have a wet dream?
Also, if the airline is about to go bankrupt, why would somebody lease new A350s to them?
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:58 pm

Sokes wrote:
If an airline which operates mostly from a hot and high airport doesn't want the A340 any more, who should buy it?
Is the A340 really so bad for them, or did a politician have a wet dream?
Also, if the airline is about to go bankrupt, why would somebody lease new A350s to them?


They ordered the A340s in March 2002 and the first was delivered in December 2002. This was an era where the B77L (eis 2006), B77W (eis 2004), B789 and A350 didn't exist or hadn't flown yet and the A332/3 was not the aircraft it is today. The current generation of twins had not been proven at hot and high airports. That simple.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:47 am

Had SAA ordered the B777-200ER,would it be worse, as good as the A332/333 or better?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:32 am

Sokes wrote:
Is the A340 really so bad for them, or did a politician have a wet dream?
Also, if the airline is about to go bankrupt, why would somebody lease new A350s to them?


A wet dream or a fat envelope?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:20 pm

mr02 wrote:
Had SAA ordered the B777-200ER,would it be worse, as good as the A332/333 or better?

SAA actually ordered 4 77Es (+ 3 options) in the mid 90s. Obviously the order was eventually cancelled and SAA ordered A340s.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:41 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Some African countries still use 707s to transport high ranking government officials. Could these executive jets be replaced by A340-300s?

Does the A340-600 burn less fuel than the 707?


...time perhaps for these countries to rethink their priorities and stop actually owning state jets AT ALL, and invest the money in development programmes to take care of their own people maybe??...
They can easily buy needed 'flight hours' off the shelf from any VIP operator when the need arises for a teeny tiny fraction of what having a state transport is costing them.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:50 pm

TheWorm123 wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Iran could use these planes to replace more ancient ones they have.

They would have to buy them from a thrid party if SAA is to avoid US sanctions.

Anytime a thread comes up about an airline retiring any wide body type on a.net there’s always somebody who pipes up with “Iran could do with that”, I’ve got nothing politically against Iran but it’s getting boring.


Well, they could. And I'm hoping they do. Beneficial for both parties. I'm hoping that they manage to find "some shady third party" who is able to quietly take care of all the necessary banking transaction paperwork in order for Iran to obtain more jets.
Nothing I love more than the poor people of a sanctioned country like Iran managing to obtain the much needed goods in the face of imposed sanctions.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:38 am

andz wrote:
You guys with your snarky comments about praying don't seem to realise that the average employee at SAA is totally helpless in the current situation and has no control over what is happening at the airline. This includes my wife who completed 41 years with SAA at the beginning of December. They are the victims of the years of mismanagement and corruption that has led to the current predicament. So they turn to the only thing that many of them rely on in times of crisis.

This financial disaster is not new either, when I was clearing out my late father's study I found a newspaper special report on SAA from right about the time that they introduced the first 747-400 and the headline was "Take-off for new plan to make airline pay its way" dated 25 October 1982.

On another note, the first A350 JNB-JFK departs this evening.


Very true. But it was a different situation then too. It was essential for national security reasons, and inability to overfly huge amounts of Africa
meant it bought all those 747SPs. Not to the same extent but in someways not to different to El Al. The risk of the country possibly
being cut off isn't really there now.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:08 pm

Polot wrote:
SAA actually ordered 4 77Es (+ 3 options) in the mid 90s. Obviously the order was eventually cancelled and SAA ordered A340s.


Not entirely correct. They did order four B77Es in 1995 (alongside an additional two B744s), but they were not cancelled in favor of A340s. The B77E deposits were cashed in and used in a bigger order of two additional B744s (two white tail Philippine Airlines aircraft) and the B738s in 1998. The A340s were only ordered in 2002, and were a replacement for the B747 classics (-200, -300 and SPs) and B767s.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:36 am

Why isn’t South African selling any of their A340-200s?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:05 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Why isn’t South African selling any of their A340-200s?


They don’t own any.

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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:06 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Sokes wrote:
Is the A340 really so bad for them, or did a politician have a wet dream?
Also, if the airline is about to go bankrupt, why would somebody lease new A350s to them?


A wet dream or a fat envelope?


Beautiful question. I withdraw my first question from the earlier post.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:44 am

blacksoviet wrote:
Why isn’t South African selling any of their A340-200s?


They retired them in 2011
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:53 pm

Williamsb747 wrote:
1. LHR-CPT. It is a route that relies heavily (not exclusively) on originating pax from London and nearby cities, VS can't even make it work.


As far as I remember I was working well enough. The issue they had was their aircraft was stuck in CPT for a day, they could get two roundtrips to the US in the same time as one roundtrip to CPT. That works much better.

SAA, on the other hand, doesn't have to park planes for the day. They're already throwing everything they have on the JNB-CPT route (among the busiest routes in the world).
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:43 pm

seat64k wrote:
As far as I remember I was working well enough. The issue they had was their aircraft was stuck in CPT for a day, they could get two roundtrips to the US in the same time as one roundtrip to CPT. That works much better.


I'm not sure how well it was working, although I'm not sure how well anything was working for VS.

seat64k wrote:
SAA, on the other hand, doesn't have to park planes for the day. They're already throwing everything they have on the JNB-CPT route (among the busiest routes in the world).


SAA had to park the plane at LHR for the day as well, with much higher parking fees than CPT FWIW.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:45 pm

I'll take an A343 if they've got one to spare. Still miss seeing them coming in at SEA everyday.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:00 pm

Venezuela could use some Carefully maintained A340, Russia could finance the purchase to circumvent the American sanctions.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:54 pm

ZS-SNH (A346) currently ferrying GRU-SBD (San Bernardino, Calif.). Arrives past midnight so unfortunate for any local spotters.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:36 am

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I'll take an A343 if they've got one to spare. Still miss seeing them coming in at SEA everyday.


Who operated A343 to SEA?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:52 am

DUSdude wrote:
TheZ wrote:
I'll take an A343 if they've got one to spare. Still miss seeing them coming in at SEA everyday.


Who operated A343 to SEA?


SAS did for a long time from CPH. AF, LH, and CI did at various times as well. Probably my favorite airplane that I've never had the chance to fly on.
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:07 am

evanb wrote:
seat64k wrote:
As far as I remember I was working well enough. The issue they had was their aircraft was stuck in CPT for a day, they could get two roundtrips to the US in the same time as one roundtrip to CPT. That works much better.


I'm not sure how well it was working, although I'm not sure how well anything was working for VS.

seat64k wrote:
SAA, on the other hand, doesn't have to park planes for the day. They're already throwing everything they have on the JNB-CPT route (among the busiest routes in the world).


SAA had to park the plane at LHR for the day as well, with much higher parking fees than CPT FWIW.


Two trips to the US was just more economically viable when compared to a single flight to CPT.

VS stated CPT was profitable "just weren’t profitable enough to keep"
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:31 am

If airlines are finding it difficult to offload A380s, who on earth will settle for these A340s?
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:15 am

I wasn't sure which thread to post this in, but here goes.

The business rescue practitioners of South African Airways SOC Ltd (the Practitioners), supported by the Departments of Public Enterprises (DPE) and National Treasury (NT), have been successful in obtaining the balance of the post commencement funding (PCF) required to meet the short term liquidity requirements of the airline for the period until the business rescue plan (the Plan) is published and adopted. This Plan is required in terms of Section 150 of the Companies Act and is the responsibility of the Practitioners.

The advancement of the funds comes on the back of the business rescue process which began on 5 December 2019, with the local commercial banks providing the initial PCF of R2 billion in addition to the existing exposures to SAA.

Discussions held with financial institutions have been fruitful with the Development Bank of Southern Africa offering to provide the next tranche of PCF, for a total amount of R3.5 billion, with an immediate draw-down of R2 billion. Furthermore, funding for the restructuring phase after the Plan is adopted is being considered by potential funders.

The restructuring of SAA will provide an opportunity to develop a sustainable, competitive and efficient airline with a strategic equity partner remaining the objective of government through this exercise and will result in the preservation of jobs wherever possible. SAA is a key strategic asset which needs to be positioned to provide reliable connectivity to markets within South Africa, the African continent as well as servicing selected international routes.

Stakeholders of the airline should now have comfort that the rescue process is on a significantly sounder footing, and that passengers and travel agencies and airline partners may continue to book air travel on SAA with confidence.
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:52 pm

andz wrote:
I wasn't sure which thread to post this in, but here goes.

The business rescue practitioners of South African Airways SOC Ltd (the Practitioners), supported by the Departments of Public Enterprises (DPE) and National Treasury (NT), have been successful in obtaining the balance of the post commencement funding (PCF) required to meet the short term liquidity requirements of the airline for the period until the business rescue plan (the Plan) is published and adopted. This Plan is required in terms of Section 150 of the Companies Act and is the responsibility of the Practitioners.

The advancement of the funds comes on the back of the business rescue process which began on 5 December 2019, with the local commercial banks providing the initial PCF of R2 billion in addition to the existing exposures to SAA.

Discussions held with financial institutions have been fruitful with the Development Bank of Southern Africa offering to provide the next tranche of PCF, for a total amount of R3.5 billion, with an immediate draw-down of R2 billion. Furthermore, funding for the restructuring phase after the Plan is adopted is being considered by potential funders.

The restructuring of SAA will provide an opportunity to develop a sustainable, competitive and efficient airline with a strategic equity partner remaining the objective of government through this exercise and will result in the preservation of jobs wherever possible. SAA is a key strategic asset which needs to be positioned to provide reliable connectivity to markets within South Africa, the African continent as well as servicing selected international routes.

Stakeholders of the airline should now have comfort that the rescue process is on a significantly sounder footing, and that passengers and travel agencies and airline partners may continue to book air travel on SAA with confidence.


Good news.

I think.

I took a leap of faith yesterday and booked WDH to the UK on SAA. (Actually, up on SAA and back on LH.) My travel agent assured me that the flights will happen. Though he was less confident about what kind of service I'd get in Business on the A330-300 JNB-LHR.

Let's just say I've previously had excellent and awful sitting in that cabin. Fingers crossed.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:54 pm

The local bank financing of 2bn Rand got them through to from 5th December to 19th January, so the DBSA 3.5bn will last until what, the end of March/mid April?

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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:57 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
If airlines are finding it difficult to offload A380s, who on earth will settle for these A340s?

Total non sequitur. :roll:
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:52 pm

PM wrote:
andz wrote:
I wasn't sure which thread to post this in, but here goes.

The business rescue practitioners of South African Airways SOC Ltd (the Practitioners), supported by the Departments of Public Enterprises (DPE) and National Treasury (NT), have been successful in obtaining the balance of the post commencement funding (PCF) required to meet the short term liquidity requirements of the airline for the period until the business rescue plan (the Plan) is published and adopted. This Plan is required in terms of Section 150 of the Companies Act and is the responsibility of the Practitioners.

The advancement of the funds comes on the back of the business rescue process which began on 5 December 2019, with the local commercial banks providing the initial PCF of R2 billion in addition to the existing exposures to SAA.

Discussions held with financial institutions have been fruitful with the Development Bank of Southern Africa offering to provide the next tranche of PCF, for a total amount of R3.5 billion, with an immediate draw-down of R2 billion. Furthermore, funding for the restructuring phase after the Plan is adopted is being considered by potential funders.

The restructuring of SAA will provide an opportunity to develop a sustainable, competitive and efficient airline with a strategic equity partner remaining the objective of government through this exercise and will result in the preservation of jobs wherever possible. SAA is a key strategic asset which needs to be positioned to provide reliable connectivity to markets within South Africa, the African continent as well as servicing selected international routes.

Stakeholders of the airline should now have comfort that the rescue process is on a significantly sounder footing, and that passengers and travel agencies and airline partners may continue to book air travel on SAA with confidence.


Good news.

I think.

I took a leap of faith yesterday and booked WDH to the UK on SAA. (Actually, up on SAA and back on LH.) My travel agent assured me that the flights will happen. Though he was less confident about what kind of service I'd get in Business on the A330-300 JNB-LHR.

Let's just say I've previously had excellent and awful sitting in that cabin. Fingers crossed.


Business Class on the A330-300 on the JNB - LHR is very good, you should have a very comfortable seat and good service and catering. It’s not Qatar standard, for sure, but then not much is. Hope you enjoy your flight!
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:00 pm

shankly wrote:
The local bank financing of 2bn Rand got them through to from 5th December to 19th January, so the DBSA 3.5bn will last until what, the end of March/mid April?

Dead parrot.


I’m confident SAA will get through this. They are doing all the right things now. Whatever the new SAA looks like it will be very different than what went before. My guess at this stage is that they will kill off their domestic operations and focus on regional flights with high yields and international flights that can be operated profitability. And perhaps introduce a new route or two, SA to India is near certain. SAA made a decent profit in 2011 even with inefficient aircraft and stupid routes. But then the looting and mismanagement started. I have confidence in the business rescue process and believe it is possible to turn SAA around. We’ve been through a lot in this country, we’ll get through this as well
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:19 pm

Spiderguy252 wrote:
If airlines are finding it difficult to offload A380s, who on earth will settle for these A340s?


The A340 is a different size of frame. Some of the SAA A340-300 are really young frames and if you would look, quite a few A340-300 are still in operation. Hy fly is flying 6 that are quite a bit older.

The A340-600 is quite a bit more difficult to unload. Only on hot and high it has an advantage over the 777-300ER, but perhaps somebody does need some cheap frames.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:06 pm

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Business Class on the A330-300 on the JNB - LHR is very good, you should have a very comfortable seat and good service and catering. It’s not Qatar standard, for sure, but then not much is. Hope you enjoy your flight!

Thank you. I have had excellent service on SAA in Business. But two years ago I took SA207 and SA208 to Dakar and back on a brand new A330-300 and service was lousy. We'll see.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:51 pm

Well usually I would have said Iran Air could have used these, but at the moment to even think about it is impossible.

I would have liked to see Cubana getting some "newer" aircrafts, but well they are in a worse position than SAA
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:08 pm

seat64k wrote:
Williamsb747 wrote:
1. LHR-CPT. It is a route that relies heavily (not exclusively) on originating pax from London and nearby cities, VS can't even make it work.


As far as I remember I was working well enough. The issue they had was their aircraft was stuck in CPT for a day, they could get two roundtrips to the US in the same time as one roundtrip to CPT. That works much better.

SAA, on the other hand, doesn't have to park planes for the day. They're already throwing everything they have on the JNB-CPT route (among the busiest routes in the world).


VS could try again using basically the same schedule KL uses on their AMS-CPT-AMS rotations; the aircraft departs Europe mid morning and turns around as a midnight redeye two hours after landing. Perhaps not as attractive for business travelers going to SA from London, but with a stronger transatlantic network, it would be better timed and more attractive for North American customers.
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:31 am

GSP psgr wrote:
seat64k wrote:
Williamsb747 wrote:
1. LHR-CPT. It is a route that relies heavily (not exclusively) on originating pax from London and nearby cities, VS can't even make it work.


As far as I remember I was working well enough. The issue they had was their aircraft was stuck in CPT for a day, they could get two roundtrips to the US in the same time as one roundtrip to CPT. That works much better.

SAA, on the other hand, doesn't have to park planes for the day. They're already throwing everything they have on the JNB-CPT route (among the busiest routes in the world).


VS could try again using basically the same schedule KL uses on their AMS-CPT-AMS rotations; the aircraft departs Europe mid morning and turns around as a midnight redeye two hours after landing. Perhaps not as attractive for business travelers going to SA from London, but with a stronger transatlantic network, it would be better timed and more attractive for North American customers.


The route is tourist heavy with very few business travellers especially this time of the year. VS stated that they want to re-open LHR-CPT but only when (if) LHR gets its third runway.

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seat64k
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:30 am

Chrisba320 wrote:
My guess at this stage is that they will kill off their domestic operations


Why do you think that? I would think that without their domestic ops, they're dead in the water.
 
lessredtape
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:33 am

European Aviation bought ten A345/6s from Etihad about 2 years ago. Must have got them for a song.

https://www.euroav.com/news/european-av ... 0-aircraft

Might have been used to filling in for B787s with that certain engine problem ?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:13 pm

SAA has cancelled 48 flights in February as another cost cutting measure.

Destinations include Durban, Cape Town, Accra, Washington DC and Nairobi.

https://ewn.co.za/2020/01/31/it-s-all-p ... ng-flights
After Monday and Tuesday even the calendar says WTF...
 
jimbo737
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:35 pm

They’ll have better luck opening a franchise of Akbar and Jeff’s Pork Chops to Go in Jerusalem .
 
DCA350
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:06 pm

andz wrote:
SAA has cancelled 48 flights in February as another cost cutting measure.

Destinations include Durban, Cape Town, Accra, Washington DC and Nairobi.

https://ewn.co.za/2020/01/31/it-s-all-p ... ng-flights


Wow I would have thought DC was profitable for them especially with the Accra stop.. Star Hub plus there's a large Ghanaian DC population that loved the direct flight.
 
WorldFlier
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:15 pm

andz wrote:
You guys with your snarky comments about praying don't seem to realise that the average employee at SAA is totally helpless in the current situation and has no control over what is happening at the airline. This includes my wife who completed 41 years with SAA at the beginning of December. They are the victims of the years of mismanagement and corruption that has led to the current predicament. So they turn to the only thing that many of them rely on in times of crisis.

This financial disaster is not new either, when I was clearing out my late father's study I found a newspaper special report on SAA from right about the time that they introduced the first 747-400 and the headline was "Take-off for new plan to make airline pay its way" dated 25 October 1982.

On another note, the first A350 JNB-JFK departs this evening.



I want to have sympathy, but how can Ethiopia who in the same 41 years as your wife managed to run their airline through revolutions and famine?
 
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Re: SAA trying to sell 9 A340s

Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:25 pm

Slash787 wrote:
Well usually I would have said Iran Air could have used these, but at the moment to even think about it is impossible.

I would have liked to see Cubana getting some "newer" aircrafts, but well they are in a worse position than SAA


I was waiting for the first person to say “Iran could use these”, nothing against Iran personally just bored of this same thing keeps getting posted on every similar thread :bigmouth:
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