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Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:21 pm

Gotta bite back after AA expands at BOS

https://news.delta.com/delta-bolsters-m ... ship-latam

MIA-MCO 5x daily E-175
MIA-RDU 2x daily E-175
MIA-SLC 1x daily 737-800
MIA-TPA 5x daily E-175
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:22 pm

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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:24 pm

No surprises here. MIA-ATL/DTW/MSP/LGA all each get bumped up by one daily flight, as well.

I suspect resuming LAX and adding SEA are next.

I also bet we will see Bogota come back sooner than later, and possibly operated by Delta instead of LATAM, and I bet Delta applies for JetBlue’s two vacated HAV slots to double up MIAHAV to 4x daily.

Oh, and AA will bring back MIASLC this summer. Don’t see AA letting DL have it to itself.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:27 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
No surprises here. MIA-ATL/DTW/MSP/LGA all each get bumped up by one daily flight, as well.

I suspect resuming LAX and adding SEA are next.


How about MIA-BOS? I would think it has to be somewhere within this strategy as well at some point. I think 2x daily 319s would serve the market well.

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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:29 pm

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MAH4546 wrote:
No surprises here. MIA-ATL/DTW/MSP/LGA all each get bumped up by one daily flight, as well.

I suspect resuming LAX and adding SEA are next.


How about MIA-BOS? I would think it has to be somewhere within this strategy as well at some point. I think 2x daily 319s would serve the market well.

Jeremy


Delta flies MIABOS already, 2x daily (1x 320/1x 321).
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:29 pm

In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:33 pm

How are they really going to feed the MCO/TPA flights? Local traffic?
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:36 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
How are they really going to feed the MCO/TPA flights? Local traffic?


These routes (especially if FLL/PBI are included) see quite substantial O&D volume already. There is a lot of southbound traffic to capture, in theory.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:36 pm

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How are they really going to feed the MCO/TPA flights? Local traffic?


Local traffic sure, but Orlando is a huge feeder market for Latin America, Tampa less so but still important. Also, Europe feed - Air Europa, Alitalia, Air France (to PAP and PTP on top of Paris), Virgin Atlantic, KLM, Aeroflot all fly to Miami.

And cheap fares undoubtedly to stimulate demand and build market share. Not unlike what Delta has done in Seattle, Los Angeles, Boston and Raleigh.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:38 pm

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In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.


DL flew TPA-MIA a few years ago (Pre-VS JV) to feed their MIA-LHR flight using CRJs. That entire enterprise collapsed. Will be interesting to see if this context is substantially different enough to be sustainable. Too soon to say, IMO. DL has several strengths here, and the economy is much stronger.
 
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:39 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
No surprises here. MIA-ATL/DTW/MSP/LGA all each get bumped up by one daily flight, as well.

I suspect resuming LAX and adding SEA are next.


I agree that DL re-adding MIA-LAX nonstop service and DL adding MIA-SEA nonstop service are possibilities with DL having hubs at both LAX and SEA.

While DL still serves CVG nonstop from FLL in the MIA/FLL market, DL re-adding MIA-CVG nonstop service is also possibility since (a) DL previously served CVG nonstop from MIA back when DL had a hub at CVG and (b) DL still serves some non-DL hub destinations nonstop from CVG.
 
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:40 pm

Delta also flew MCO-MIA a few years ago on the MD-88 when MIA-LHR was operating.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:44 pm

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Delta also flew MCO-MIA a few years ago on the MD-88 when MIA-LHR was operating.


It was while MCOGRU was operating.

Delta operated MIAMCO for a very long time, and FLLMCO, up until around 2002/2003.

It was then relaunched along with MIATPA and MIAJAX in 2008 or so alongside MIALHR. It outlasted MIALHR (and JAX and TPA) but not by much.

Then not long after Delta entered MCOGRU, Delta added a single daily MD80 to Orlando times purely to connect to GRU. It ended around when GRU did, IIRC.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:47 pm

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Delta also flew MCO-MIA a few years ago on the MD-88 when MIA-LHR was operating.


And then gave up on that route. Interesting adds. DL definitely has AA in it's cross hairs at MIA. I'm assuming the JV with Latam will drive some of the traffic to TPA and MCO. I do MIA/TPA a lot to see family and most of it seems connecting to points south of MIA.
 
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:52 pm

Didn't DL have MIA-MCO in the past using E-135's?
 
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:58 pm

I would have to imagine that AA will retaliate out of RDU, but maybe this is Delta testing the waters since the 737 Max is going to impact where and how AA responds.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:04 pm

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In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.


I'm not optimistic but I'll take the over on that, thinking 2x TPA-MIA might survive.

DL is certainly moving quickly to try for a return on its $2.25 Billion. These adds, the LATAM JFK terminal move... https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/l ... 84.article
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:08 pm

MIA-MCO/TPA 5x daily is intriguing. Will be interesting to see if DL intends to turn MIA into a focus city or mini-hub.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:11 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.


I'm not optimistic but I'll take the over on that, thinking 2x TPA-MIA might survive.

DL is certainly moving quickly to try for a return on its $2.25 Billion. These adds, the LATAM JFK terminal move... https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/l ... 84.article


MIATPA market demands frequency. They can’t compete with 2x daily.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:11 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.


I'm not optimistic but I'll take the over on that, thinking 2x TPA-MIA might survive.

DL is certainly moving quickly to try for a return on its $2.25 Billion. These adds, the LATAM JFK terminal move... https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/l ... 84.article


I agree. But a.net consistently underestimates the strength of DL in TPA, which has consistently generated more revenue than certain “focus cities” that people love to discuss at length.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:13 pm

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Didn't DL have MIA-MCO in the past using E-135's?


At some point some of the Florida flying was operated by Freedom Airlines (a subsidiary of Mesa)

In fact in 2005 it appears Delta had 3 DL Connection partners flying out of MCO, Freedom, Comair, and Chautauqua - Freedom and Chautauqua flew ERJ's.

My guess of why Freedom ended up getting sent down south was that their operation was a mess. DL had hired them to backfill the loss ACA in JFK but their operation was terrible. More Comair was brought to JFK to shore up the operation there and F8 was sent down to the less strategically important MCO as DL was still locked into a contract with them (which they were trying to get out of arguing that F8's lousy operational stats put them in breach).

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Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Don't know how to count on (very thin) southern traffic to feed these MCO/TPA is going to work. South America is pretty weak right now, the economy is doing bad down there presently. Local traffic doubt is worth all the trouble when you can keep your car for a 3.5+ hour drive. vs the stress and the cost of flying locally.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:00 pm

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In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.

You think there is going to be a recession by then? I don't see how these adds will be so costly that they can't sustain them as long as the core hubs are doing well. They lose way more money than this at Seattle.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:09 pm

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Don't know how to count on (very thin) southern traffic to feed these MCO/TPA is going to work. South America is pretty weak right now, the economy is doing bad down there presently. Local traffic doubt is worth all the trouble when you can keep your car for a 3.5+ hour drive. vs the stress and the cost of flying locally.

Traffic from these cities to points South is not “very thin.” What are you talking about? Orlando is the third largest U.S.-South America local market. And select LATAM is weak but not the continent as a whole. Ecuador, Peru and Colombia are strong right now for example, and even a weak Argentina is being countered by spur in U.S. POS demand.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:10 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
No surprises here. MIA-ATL/DTW/MSP/LGA all each get bumped up by one daily flight, as well.

I suspect resuming LAX and adding SEA are next.


How about MIA-BOS? I would think it has to be somewhere within this strategy as well at some point. I think 2x daily 319s would serve the market well.

Jeremy


Delta flies MIABOS already, 2x daily (1x 320/1x 321).


Wow, I can’t believe I missed that. Thank you.

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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:14 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.


I'm not optimistic but I'll take the over on that, thinking 2x TPA-MIA might survive.

DL is certainly moving quickly to try for a return on its $2.25 Billion. These adds, the LATAM JFK terminal move... https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/l ... 84.article


MIATPA market demands frequency. They can’t compete with 2x daily.


Maybe, but I don't think they'll compete too hard for TPA-MIA O&D. Got any PDEWs from TPA to LATAM's non-stop MIA destinations? IMHO, that's the prize. Matching AA for frequency (5X - on 1/20/20, anyway) is an interesting start.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:17 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Don't know how to count on (very thin) southern traffic to feed these MCO/TPA is going to work. South America is pretty weak right now, the economy is doing bad down there presently. Local traffic doubt is worth all the trouble when you can keep your car for a 3.5+ hour drive. vs the stress and the cost of flying locally.

Traffic from these cities to points South is not “very thin.” What are you talking about? Orlando is the third largest U.S.-South America local market. And select LATAM is weak but not the continent as a whole. Ecuador, Peru and Colombia are strong right now for example, and even a weak Argentina is being countered by spur in U.S. POS demand.


Well NK has a good network down south from MCO nonstop... they are up against that too. Lets see.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:21 pm

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In 18 months, of these additions, only MIASLC and MIAMCO will remain, and MIAMCO will be down to 2X daily.

You think there is going to be a recession by then? I don't see how these adds will be so costly that they can't sustain them as long as the core hubs are doing well. They lose way more money than this at Seattle.


No, I think AA will run them off those routes but SLC stays just because DL has mass on that end, with 2X MCO staying to feed the flights to Brazil from MIA; those Brazilians love them some Disney.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:32 pm

So far this AA-DL tit-for-tat in BOS and MIA, Republic is the big winner! Lol.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:01 pm

Looks like the link was taken down from Delta's website?
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:11 pm

Hoping Delta connects more large outstations to MIA as they continue to bolster operations there. IND and CMH in particular.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:12 pm

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Hoping Delta connects more large outstations to MIA as they continue to bolster operations there.


I had previously mentioned DL re-adding CVG-MIA nonstop service as DL had previously served MIA nonstop from CVG back when DL had a hub at CVG.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:15 pm

Link in OP is wrong, should be. https://news.delta.com/delta-bolsters-miami-network-support-industry-leading-partnership-latam

Adds are to support LATAM codeshare when it goes live in summer 2020, they aren't going anywhere. AS fanboys shouldn't be concerned.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:26 pm

Everyone is also forgetting that Virgin Trains will be extended from W Palm Beach up to Orlando by 2022 as well. The last few times DL tried MCO-MIA,
the loads were terrible and I doubt many local people seriously consider flying unless they can get NK level fares.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:36 pm

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Everyone is also forgetting that Virgin Trains will be extended from W Palm Beach up to Orlando by 2022 as well. The last few times DL tried MCO-MIA,
the loads were terrible and I doubt many local people seriously consider flying unless they can get NK level fares.


The difference this time is that DL has a lot more connecting options to offer via MIA. You wouldn't see DL making these adds if the LATAM deal didn't happen...
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:14 pm

What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:21 pm

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Didn't DL have MIA-MCO in the past using E-135's?


I know as late as 2011 they had Comair CRJ 200’s on the route.
 
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Didn't DL have MIA-MCO in the past using E-135's?


I know as late as 2011 they had Comair CRJ 200’s on the route.
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Didn't DL have MIA-MCO in the past using E-135's?


I know as late as 2011 they had Comair CRJ 200’s on the route.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pm

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What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?


I'm not 100% convinced LATAM will fly their own metal to ATL. To me, it makes sense to have LATAM continue to serve the top destinations for Latin American travelers (MIA, JFK, LAX, MCO, etc.) and to have DL continue to serve the biggest Latin American markets from ATL, focusing on U.S. point-of-sale traffic and connections.

If there's some crossover, I could see DL potentially taking over BOS-GRU from LATAM, allowing LATAM to open up a new market (maybe a resumption of LIM-IAD?). I could also see DL serving a few of the nearer-in Latin American markets from MIA, such as BOG or UIO with A320/737/757 equipment.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:33 pm

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What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?


I'm not 100% convinced LATAM will fly their own metal to ATL. To me, it makes sense to have LATAM continue to serve the top destinations for Latin American travelers (MIA, JFK, LAX, MCO, etc.) and to have DL continue to serve the biggest Latin American markets from ATL, focusing on U.S. point-of-sale traffic and connections.

If there's some crossover, I could see DL potentially taking over BOS-GRU from LATAM, allowing LATAM to open up a new market (maybe a resumption of LIM-IAD?). I could also see DL serving a few of the nearer-in Latin American markets from MIA, such as BOG or UIO with A320/737/757 equipment.


Sadly this is probably what is going to happen but if Delta is brave I hope they do crossover with long haul planes. Why is it that Atlantic partners can fly to ATL but not Latam ? Air France, KLM and Virgin Atlantic grace ATL skies.
 
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:55 pm

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What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?


LATAM never flew to Dallas. Why would they start Atlanta? They won't.
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Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:57 pm

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jfk777 wrote:
What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?


I'm not 100% convinced LATAM will fly their own metal to ATL. To me, it makes sense to have LATAM continue to serve the top destinations for Latin American travelers (MIA, JFK, LAX, MCO, etc.) and to have DL continue to serve the biggest Latin American markets from ATL, focusing on U.S. point-of-sale traffic and connections.

If there's some crossover, I could see DL potentially taking over BOS-GRU from LATAM, allowing LATAM to open up a new market (maybe a resumption of LIM-IAD?). I could also see DL serving a few of the nearer-in Latin American markets from MIA, such as BOG or UIO with A320/737/757 equipment.


Sadly this is probably what is going to happen but if Delta is brave I hope they do crossover with long haul planes. Why is it that Atlantic partners can fly to ATL but not Latam ? Air France, KLM and Virgin Atlantic grace ATL skies.


I suspect there are more European businesses with interests in ATL and the South than there are South American businesses with investments there (i.e. decent European point-of-sale traffic). However, it's a good point that AF and KL offer lots of capacity to ATL, much more than is probably representative of the point-of-sale balance. So it's certainly possible that we'll see a LATAM flight or two to ATL. I'd think adding a second daily LIM-ATL or GRU-ATL frequency on LATAM metal would be the way that would happen, if it were to happen.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:09 pm

Woohoo, more bloodbaths. What's curious to me though is the flight times. What's with all the northbound redeye 3/4/5 hour connections in MIA? To me the flight times make little sense. This isn't going to end well.
 
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:17 pm

jfk777 wrote:
What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?


Give it time, of course they will fly to Atlanta. It makes sense to start with Miami first.
 
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:23 pm

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wedgetail737 wrote:
Didn't DL have MIA-MCO in the past using E-135's?


I know as late as 2011 they had Comair CRJ 200’s on the route.


Much later than that and with mainline. DL actually restarted MIA-MCO back in 2014-2015 on a daily M88 and cancelled it less than 2 years ago. Interesting how they're bringing it back now.

IIRC, MIA-SLC on DL was somewhat seasonal so *technically* they're not restarting that route. I could be thinking of FLL though. At the end of the day DL is always going to be strong in Florida but they've had several big fails out of Miami like LHR and LAX. I'm curious to see what they're doing here. Personally I'd love to see them build up MCO back into a hub again instead of going against AA in MIA.

flyCMH wrote:
Hoping Delta connects more large outstations to MIA as they continue to bolster operations there. IND and CMH in particular.


According to Wikipedia, MIA- CMH / IND / DCA are already operating as seasonal routes. It also says they serve HAV year round.

Off topic, but does anybody know offhand why AA discontinued seasonal MIA-BUF service? It always seems like there's a lack of service outside of BOS to New England out of MIA.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:31 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?


LATAM never flew to Dallas. Why would they start Atlanta? They won't.


Does TechOps do any work for LATAM? If so, we might see some limited amount of service (probably a single frequency to GRU, LIM, or SCL) just to cycle aircraft through. And I wouldn’t rule out something similarly limited if LATAM equipment makes more sense on a specific route or frequency. But it certainly won’t be much.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:34 pm

jfk777 wrote:
What flights will Latam have to Atlanta ? That's the news I want to know ? Most Latam traffic to MIA is O & D since Miami is the largest US destination from Latin America. News would be that Delta is flying A330's from MIA to GRU or EZE but that probably is not happening. This JV just seems to be that Latam is changing their US feeder from AA to Delta in Miami, Latam flying a traditional Delta route or Delta flying what would be a Latam route is the news I want. Could we get some of that from Santiago or Atlanta ?



I would think Latam will serve Atlanta eventually along side Delta flights. Why wouldn't the partnership take advantage and expound upon Latam's marketing, experience and know-how in drawing traffic into its system and onward into mainland U.S. via Atlanta? At the very least, the partnership calls for a least one symbolic Latam flight into Atlanta! Obviously they can put that passenger on a Delta flight (which maybe is Delta's plan) but I wonder if the South American traveler is more loyal to its hometown carrier!
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:35 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
Woohoo, more bloodbaths. What's curious to me though is the flight times. What's with all the northbound redeye 3/4/5 hour connections in MIA? To me the flight times make little sense. This isn't going to end well.


I thought you were pro competition?

LATAM has a daily northbound redeye arrival in the 9-10am range from FOR/REC on a 763, so those noon departures to TPA and MCO aren't for nothing. The earlier redeye arrivals from SCL, GRU, etc. connect better with the earlier TPA/MCO flights.
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:38 pm

N649DL wrote:
flyCMH wrote:
Hoping Delta connects more large outstations to MIA as they continue to bolster operations there. IND and CMH in particular.


According to Wikipedia, MIA- CMH / IND / DCA are already operating as seasonal routes. It also says they serve HAV year round.


They do but, at least for CMH, it's seasonal and Saturday-only. DL throwing a daily E175 on CMH-MIA would instantly one-up AA's service, which is still ERJ-only (in spite of CMH being an RP MX base).
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Re: Delta Announces MIA-MCO/RDU/SLC/TPA

Sat Jan 18, 2020 12:03 am

Looks like the battle is beginning. I think AA will defend their turf harder than they have been at JFK and BOS and it'll be a lot more difficult for DL. DL is well run but they aren't perfect and have made many forays only to retreat

It is a lot different with LATAM though. They have to do something, those flights need feed, and it will in turn feed the new adds

I'm not sure we'll see anywhere near a full focus city or hub. I suspect some stuff will shift to ATL and what can survive based off MIA O/D will stay.

Should be interesting! AA seems to have been fighting back at DL more lately. They need to, they've been showing a lot of weakness the past few years

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