LCDFlight wrote:Sorry I posted this message in the wrong thread before.
Kuwait does not really have business flying widebodies. It would be logical IMO to focus on A320 and A321 aircraft. They can access LHR and PEK (for example) using that type of fleet. Widebodies require a magnitude of traffic that Kuwait does not have. There is nothing wrong with being a wealthy, small principality, so it is best served with a smaller airline operation.
cedarjet wrote:Antarius wrote:strfyr51 wrote:So? Exactly what lesson would that be? If those hubs were such a great loss? then other carriers would have been on them like hot cakes! United De-hubbed CLE many years ago S-CO had it as their Hub, But they Merged with UA and the Hub became a Moot point in favor of ORD, STL was TWA's Hub before the merger with American.
American didn't keep the hub as it didn't for into their plans. If those Hubs were all That? Then JBLU, WN, AS F9 or NK might have swooped in there and made a killing. BUT? They didn't and probably won't. Why? Because they need a deep pocket major to prime the pump in passengers so they might go in and try to skim some of the cream.
But they're NOT going in to make the investment themselves... Are they?
You managed to completely twist my point into the exact opposite of what I was saying.
The message is that connecting hubs with little O&D traffic like CLE and STL are not sustainable. KWI is basically a CLE, trying to build a giant connecting hub there will fail, especially with EK nearby and QR seemingly with unlimited pockets.
KU aren’t trying to build a connecting hub. They’ll accept transit passengers as a subsidy but the airline is not run for commercial gain, its to safely fly people in and out of Kuwait for business etc, and to provide a retirement home for ex military officers and minor princes who are too dumb or venal to be trusted with a gig at the offices of the sovereign wealth fund. Anyone who thinks they’re trying to compete with Emirates is out of their mind.
cedarjet wrote:ewt340 wrote:B777LRF wrote:The purpose of KU never was, and never will be, making a profit. It's a political animal created to secure lines of communication which is 100% under the control of the ruling family. It's also a vehicle for employment of well-connected, and sometimes not so well-connected, locals. Also used to maintain international relations via the purchase of high-value items, such as aircraft, simulators and engines. And, last but not least, like it's brethren airline on a small island to its south, utilised by staff as a fantastic generator of wasta.
Kuwait is swimming on an ocean of oil and gas, and their sovereign wealth fund is so flush with cash it's almost ridiculous. Money, as they say, is not an object.
Well at some point, losing such amount of money for every single aircraft they owned would be to much for them.
I guess the only thing they could do is to use more efficient smaller aircraft to minimize the lost and increase load factor.
You need to reread the post you’re replying to. The national airline losing a few mill is a rounding error for Kuwait.
Skyguy wrote:Kuwaiti's are quite loyal to their local airline and do patronize them and they also have strong demand from those countries where they have a lot of migrant labor traveling.
airway1 wrote:The issue is the staff numbers, discounts given to certain industries and to staff for travel (even for families of staff). Ive been on flights where most passengers on premium are flying free which is crazy. KU has a great terminal it flies from, newer planes and a loyal following.
juliuswong wrote:Spiderguy252 wrote:Doesn't matter - they have a couple of oil wells to back up their dumb decisions.
Refreshing their fleet from the battered A300/A310s this decade wasn't a bad call.
I notice 3 x A320s in a hybrid Kuwait - Allegiant livery. What are those about? As things stand, I might end up on one of those on my upcoming DEL-KWI-DEL run - the product will surely be inferior than on KU's owned A320s?
Allegiant for some reason rejected the lease for some ex-SV A320. Thereafter went to Kuwait Airways. 9K-ALE, 9K-ALF and 9K-ALG.
deltatrav wrote:I suppose even the A330-8neo could do even JFK, but unlikely to be used given its small premium cabin
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