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China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:58 pm
by DY789
Good Afternoon all,

Not sure if this has been discussed (I have tried to find it!) but China Southern is pulling its Wuhan route from London Heathrow and moving it to London Gatwick.

Does this not seem odd? Keeping the other services at Heathrow and only moving one of them to Gatwick?

source: https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 7713761283

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:08 pm
by sulley
Perhaps it's being quarantined. ;)

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:13 pm
by DY789
Looking through the same source - it appears China Southern are scaling back at Heathrow a considerable amount:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 6193887232

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:14 pm
by AECM
DY789 wrote:
Good Afternoon all,

Not sure if this has been discussed (I have tried to find it!) but China Southern is pulling its Wuhan route from London Heathrow and moving it to London Gatwick.

Does this not seem odd? Keeping the other services at Heathrow and only moving one of them to Gatwick?

source: https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 7713761283


LHR slot related

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/288876/china-southern-revises-london-service-from-june-2020/?highlight=china%20southern

A388 PKX-LHR - 5 weekly is introduced

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:21 pm
by GCT64
DY789 wrote:
Looking through the same source - it appears China Southern are scaling back at Heathrow a considerable amount:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 6193887232


He completely missed the addition of PKX-LHR on A380, so "scaling up" would be the better description.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:14 pm
by Arion640
Will be great to see probably Heathrows last new A380 operator.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:19 am
by Thunderbolt500
According to news the city is the center of the new virus they are screening airports

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:19 am
by Thunderbolt500
According to news the city of Wuhan is the center of the new virus they are screening airports

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:23 am
by Toinou
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
According to news the city of Wuhan is the center of the new virus they are screening airports


By June, either this will be over or this will have spread enough to make the city of origin a minor concern.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:54 am
by Motorhussy
Toinou wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
According to news the city of Wuhan is the center of the new virus they are screening airports


By June, either this will be over or this will have spread enough to make the city of origin a minor concern.


Historically cities of origin for disease outbreaks have suffered considerably with regard to air travel. Just look at the impact of the last SARS outbreak…

https://marketrealist.com/2014/10/must-know-sars-impact-airline-industry/

I’d not be surprised to see a severe curtailing in traffic to/from Wuhan.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:19 am
by DY789
GCT64 wrote:
DY789 wrote:
Looking through the same source - it appears China Southern are scaling back at Heathrow a considerable amount:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/12 ... 6193887232


He completely missed the addition of PKX-LHR on A380, so "scaling up" would be the better description.


Will look forward to seeing the A380 at Heathrow!That is quite a start to the route - considering they don't serve Beijing at all currently!

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Thu Jan 23, 2020 7:31 am
by Toinou
Motorhussy wrote:
Toinou wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
According to news the city of Wuhan is the center of the new virus they are screening airports


By June, either this will be over or this will have spread enough to make the city of origin a minor concern.


Historically cities of origin for disease outbreaks have suffered considerably with regard to air travel. Just look at the impact of the last SARS outbreak…

https://marketrealist.com/2014/10/must-know-sars-impact-airline-industry/

I’d not be surprised to see a severe curtailing in traffic to/from Wuhan.


It is possible but not sure.
This article is hardly an evidence that the traffic in a precise city is impacted. The graphic shows the fall in traffic for "Asia-Pacific airlines" and "North American Airlines". I would some more precise data. It says too "According to the International Air Transport Association (or IATA) (...) it caused severe economic damage to China and Hong Kong’s economies." which could effectively affect demand for air travel. The graphic in the article shows a fall for about six months in Asia, so I stay on the idea that the impact on a flight starting in June will probably be limited.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:29 pm
by Thunderbolt500
Time will tell but if you closing off more this can effect the economy

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:30 pm
by Thunderbolt500
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Time will tell but if you closing off an area this can effect the economy

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:59 am
by continental004
Toinou wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
According to news the city of Wuhan is the center of the new virus they are screening airports


By June, either this will be over or this will have spread enough to make the city of origin a minor concern.


And now we know your second possibility has come to fruition.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 4:00 am
by continental004
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
Time will tell but if you closing off more this can effect the economy


The world got locked down and look what’s happened. Devastation.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:13 am
by jetwet1
Toinou wrote:
Thunderbolt500 wrote:
According to news the city of Wuhan is the center of the new virus they are screening airports


By June, either this will be over or this will have spread enough to make the city of origin a minor concern.


This may go down as the under statement of the decde.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 11:31 am
by CaliguyNYC
Did the British govt let flights from Wuhan and London continue through this crisis? If the flights were suspended, and I hope they were, when were they suspended. Reading this thread Today is actually fascinating.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 2:18 pm
by jghealey
CaliguyNYC wrote:
Did the British govt let flights from Wuhan and London continue through this crisis? If the flights were suspended, and I hope they were, when were they suspended. Reading this thread Today is actually fascinating.

They did, but all passengers were screened on arrival at Heathrow, in a special zone that they created. That was until China Southern stopped the route themselves though, when the airport in Wuhan was closed.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 5:24 pm
by c933103
CaliguyNYC wrote:
Did the British govt let flights from Wuhan and London continue through this crisis? If the flights were suspended, and I hope they were, when were they suspended. Reading this thread Today is actually fascinating.

Mere suspension of direct traffic to the ground zero did little. Italy suspended flights from China but their initial patients were still entering through other European countries. Hong Kong suspended the trains from Wuhan before lock down but in those few cases there were still some patients entering through transfer at other train stations in other Chinese cities. To deal with something like this you need to use visa policy and quarantine measure to stop also those who're making transfers instead of just cutting direct flights. For area with common visa policy they must act coherently to prevent spread through less strict point of entries into their area.

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 6:13 pm
by SueD
jghealey wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
Did the British govt let flights from Wuhan and London continue through this crisis? If the flights were suspended, and I hope they were, when were they suspended. Reading this thread Today is actually fascinating.

They did, but all passengers were screened on arrival at Heathrow, in a special zone that they created. That was until China Southern stopped the route themselves though, when the airport in Wuhan was closed.


The UK didn’t ban ANY flights however the Chinese authorities dis.

Cargo flights have been operating Wuhan to Heathrow for two weeks now

Re: China Southern: Wuhan to London Gatwick. June '20

Posted: Sun May 10, 2020 6:14 pm
by SueD
SueD wrote:
jghealey wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
Did the British govt let flights from Wuhan and London continue through this crisis? If the flights were suspended, and I hope they were, when were they suspended. Reading this thread Today is actually fascinating.

They did, but all passengers were screened on arrival at Heathrow, in a special zone that they created. That was until China Southern stopped the route themselves though, when the airport in Wuhan was closed.


The UK didn’t ban ANY flights however the Chinese authorities did a bit too late

Cargo flights have been operating Wuhan to Heathrow for two weeks now