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LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:20 pm

Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:11 am

The aircraft is on the ground in MEX between morning arrival and evening departure?
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:40 am

Two Biggest economies and cities in Latin America, no surprise they can fill more than a 767.
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:30 am

dcajet wrote:
Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D


Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:36 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D


Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at www.rae.es.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:43 pm

tealnz wrote:
The aircraft is on the ground in MEX between morning arrival and evening departure?


Correct. Unlike AM, which turns around its 787s at GRU & EZE right away, LA has evening flights on both directions, presumably chasing the higher yielding traveler, who invariably always prefers overnight flights.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:17 pm

dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D


Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.



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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:14 pm

dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D


Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


Interesting it's never referred to as St Paul in English.

Anyhow, what's the freight demand like between the two Latin American mega-cities? Surely it's quite strong as choice of A359 over 789 would indicate.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:50 pm

tealnz wrote:
The aircraft is on the ground in MEX between morning arrival and evening departure?


Yes of course it stays on the ground just like Aero Mexico parks the on the ground at GRU all day - revenue and connections are what really matters . Timing is everything for a network carrier ...
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:54 pm

dcajet wrote:
tealnz wrote:
The aircraft is on the ground in MEX between morning arrival and evening departure?


Correct. Unlike AM, which turns around its 787s at GRU & EZE right away, LA has evening flights on both directions, presumably chasing the higher yielding traveler, who invariably always prefers overnight flights.


AM 787 spends 16 hours on the tarmac at GRU everyday ,,, possibly the greatest downtime of all airlines
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:05 pm

Galwayman wrote:
dcajet wrote:
tealnz wrote:
The aircraft is on the ground in MEX between morning arrival and evening departure?


Correct. Unlike AM, which turns around its 787s at GRU & EZE right away, LA has evening flights on both directions, presumably chasing the higher yielding traveler, who invariably always prefers overnight flights.


AM 787 spends 16 hours on the tarmac at GRU everyday ,,, possibly the greatest downtime of all airlines

Huh? AM has a flight that arrives at 10:15 pm that departs at 12:20 am the next day (that is 2 hours later) and another flight that arrives at GRU at 8:25 am and departs 2 hours later at 10:25 am.
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:26 pm

Well, in fact MEX-GRU arrives around 10PM and departs back 10AM which makes around 12hs on ground which is nothing odd.
UA, AA, DL, LH, LX among others do the same every day at GRU.
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:30 pm

dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D


Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


The working language on this website is English, so the name San Pablo is indeed incorrect...
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:28 pm

Nice addition to MEX, for sure the two largest markets in Latin America needed more capacity, will be also nice to see the performance of the A350 here, although the route is not that demanding, such as MEX-MUC were Lufthansa needed to turn back from the A350 to A340-600.

PS: I know the name discussion does not go with the original topic and I am not 100% sure of what I am going to say, but proper names should not have a language if the name of the city originally is Sao Paulo, there's no translation for this to Spanish nor English - I don't see people writing Good Winds ( :lol: ) if the city name is Buenos Aires.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:46 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Well, in fact MEX-GRU arrives around 10PM and departs back 10AM which makes around 12hs on ground which is nothing odd.
UA, AA, DL, LH, LX among others do the same every day at GRU.


Aeroméxico runs 2 flights to gru, AM 14 and AM 16 (not daily) and the turn around time is 2 hours
You probably checking 2 different flights as the same
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:28 pm

Motorhussy wrote:
Interesting it's never referred to as St Paul in English.


Well, each language has its rules and English tends to be the most adaptable language of them all. No wonder it has become the lingua franca of the world. In Spanish we still say Pekin for Beijing, and Kiev for Kyiv. And in German they still refer to Beijing as Peking. Frenchmen still say Pékin.

Pyrex wrote:

The working language on this website is English, so the name San Pablo is indeed incorrect...


You do have a valid point; of course the site is in English. But my point is that the poster was being rather pedantic. He/She understood exactly what was meant and that the info was copied from its original source, in Spanish. What was he/she trying to prove?

nickpo wrote:

PS: I know the name discussion does not go with the original topic and I am not 100% sure of what I am going to say, but proper names should not have a language if the name of the city originally is Sao Paulo, there's no translation for this to Spanish nor English - I don't see people writing Good Winds ( :lol: ) if the city name is Buenos Aires.


You raise an interesting point and I am not sure what dictates that Buenos Aires is Buenos Aires across all languages and so is Los Angeles (and not The Angels) and Cape Town is Ciudad del Cabo in Spanish, Cidade do Cabo in Portuguese, Kapstadt in German, Le Cap in French and Kaapstadt in Afrikaans.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:46 pm

nickpo wrote:
Nice addition to MEX, for sure the two largest markets in Latin America needed more capacity, will be also nice to see the performance of the A350 here, although the route is not that demanding, such as MEX-MUC were Lufthansa needed to turn back from the A350 to A340-600.

PS: I know the name discussion does not go with the original topic and I am not 100% sure of what I am going to say, but proper names should not have a language if the name of the city originally is Sao Paulo, there's no translation for this to Spanish nor English - I don't see people writing Good Winds ( :lol: ) if the city name is Buenos Aires.


It has always intrigued me how RAE or spanish speakers define how to name cities in spanish, for example:
Pittsburgh in spanish is Pittsburgh (no change),
but Hamburg in spanish is Hamburgo (add an "o").

On the other hand, Sao Paulo is only called San Pablo in Argentina, Uruguay and maybe some others but the least. But in the same southern cone, they don't translate other brazilian cities like Rio de Janeiro (Río de Enero), Porto Alegre (Puerto Alegre) or Belo Horizonte (Bello Horizonte).

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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:35 am

Coming back to main topic.

Does the increase in capacity have anything to do with a possible codeshare between Aeromexico and Latam? Do they have already a codeshare or are they planning to have one since Aeromexico is part of Delta's "mega airline adventure" which Latam recently joined?
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:45 am

nickpo wrote:
Coming back to main topic.

Does the increase in capacity have anything to do with a possible codeshare between Aeromexico and Latam? Do they have already a codeshare or are they planning to have one since Aeromexico is part of Delta's "mega airline adventure" which Latam recently joined?

You have a very good point. Way back when, AM and LA codeshared and had a mileage earning-accrual agreement even though they were in opposing alliances. In fact, for a while, LA operated out of AM's T2 @ MEX. Eventually they ended their relationship (and LA moved back to T1). If I am not mistaken, AM codeshares with Gol at the moment, but that will likely end very soon.

So... AM flies a combo of 788s and 789s to GRU from MEX for a total of 12(?) weekly services. And soon LA will fly seven A359s weeklies. I wonder if DL will somehow be tempted to cause AM and LA to cut some capacity once they become again codeshare and mileage accrual/redemption partners in order to maintain yields high. They may even want to pursue some form of immunized joint venture or joint operation for the Mexico-South America market. I hope Brazil and Mexico competition authorities keep an eye on these guys and act appropriately!

I think a codeshare and mileage agreement between the two could offer a lot of benefits for consumers, particularly in terms of award tickets, lounge access, more seamless connections, larger networks, etc. However, there is significant risk that fares between Mexico and Brasil, and Mexico and Chile could go up significantly (and capacity would be cut) without any cheaper nonstop options available.

As for the San Pablo discussion, Italian is the worst. Monaco means both Monaco and Munich. Stuttgart is Stoccarda. Paris is Parigi. Frankfurt is Francoforte. London is Londra. Hamburg is Amburgo. WTF??? Hahaha.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:49 am

EddieDude wrote:

As for the San Pablo discussion, Italian is the worst. Monaco means both Monaco and Munich. Stuttgart is Stoccarda. Paris is Parigi. Frankfurt is Francoforte. London is Londra. Hamburg is Amburgo. WTF??? Hahaha.


I was flying CSA not that long ago between Prague and Munich and it took me a few moments to match the gate with the destination until I realized Mnichov (Mijov) was Munich in Czech. But then the Czechs call its neighbor Austria as "Rakousko"....
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:09 pm

dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Currently flown daily with the 221-seat 767-300ER, effective May 9 to May 28, both the 767 and the A359 will fly the route and from May 29 onward, the 339/348-seat A350-900 takes over.

This is a significant increase in capacity, from 1,547 to 2,408 weekly seats.

JJ 8112 San Pablo (GRU) - Ciudad de México (MEX) 23:55 07:20 +1 D
JJ 8113 Ciudad de México (MEX) - San Pablo (GRU) 18:00 05:20 +1 D


Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


You WOULD have made a good point except for the slightly crucial detail that Brazil speaks Portuguese!!!

Better luck next time!
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:11 pm

jmscsc wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:

Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.



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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:47 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:

Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


You WOULD have made a good point except for the slightly crucial detail that Brazil speaks Portuguese!!!

Better luck next time!


Pretty sure he is referring to the language of Mexico (since he got the info from Mexican press), not of Brazil. I'm sure some users may not know that in Brazil they speak PT, but dcajet is definitely not one of those users.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:23 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:

Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


You WOULD have made a good point except for the slightly crucial detail that Brazil speaks Portuguese!!!

Better luck next time!


But in Mexico they speak Spanish... This is as much as Brazil as it is about Mexico.

I think we have beaten this horse to death... time to move on.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 4:26 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:

Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


You WOULD have made a good point except for the slightly crucial detail that Brazil speaks Portuguese!!!

Better luck next time!


Pretty sure he is referring to the language of Mexico (since he got the info from Mexican press), not of Brazil. I'm sure some users may not know that in Brazil they speak PT, but dcajet is definitely not one of those users.


Thanks. For the sake of clarity, the info about the schedules and seat counts came from Argentina. I am not very familiar with the Mexico press.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:28 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:

Good article but please - without being pedantic - it is SAO PAULO - not San Pablo. You might have got your source on the Mexican Press but it is worth checking before putting anything here...


Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


You WOULD have made a good point except for the slightly crucial detail that Brazil speaks Portuguese!!!

Better luck next time!


The Brazil portuguese is indeed very close to castillano or spanish. Most spanish speaking will understand porto braz but not portuguese spoken in portugal.
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Thu Jan 23, 2020 8:44 pm

olle wrote:
Most spanish speaking will understand porto braz but not portuguese spoken in portugal.

Says who? Portuguese people have a neutral accent. It is not hard at all for a Mexican or a Spaniard to understand when a Portuguese person speaks. As a Spanish speaker, if you are not fluent in Brazilian Portuguese, good luck understanding a carioca for example.
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:47 am

dcajet wrote:
Jomar777 wrote:
dcajet wrote:

Yes, you are being pedantic and rather not well informed as well; in the Spanish language, Sao Paulo is referred to as San Pablo: from Madrid to México and from Bogota to Buenos Aires. So check that. If you have any further doubts, please consult the Real Academia de la Lengua Española at http://www.rae.es.


You WOULD have made a good point except for the slightly crucial detail that Brazil speaks Portuguese!!!

Better luck next time!


But in Mexico they speak Spanish... This is as much as Brazil as it is about Mexico.

I think we have beaten this horse to death... time to move on.


Point taken. Source clarified and cultural lessons learned by all of us.

Sometimes a.net also teach us a lot about non-aviation issues which is great!
 
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Re: LATAM upgauges GRU-MEX to the A350-900

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:56 am

MEX is pretty slot constrained, could it be that they are increasing capacity in stead of frequency because of it? I am sure they have several waves in GRU so they could afford to have shorter rotations if they had another daily flight?

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