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DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:39 am

DL 159 diverted to FAI according to Twitter. An A350. Replacement aircraft en route. Passengers say engine issue. Any details?
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:22 am

As someone who lived in Fairbanks for 5 years, not a great time of the year to divert there from a passenger standpoint. Its going to be cold.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:04 am

bmartino99 wrote:
As someone who lived in Fairbanks for 5 years, not a great time of the year to divert there from a passenger standpoint. Its going to be cold.

Need heat to live in the state in winter
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:42 am

Thunderbolt500 wrote:
bmartino99 wrote:
As someone who lived in Fairbanks for 5 years, not a great time of the year to divert there from a passenger standpoint. Its going to be cold.

Need heat to live in the state in winter


Could they have diverted to Grand Cayman to take advantage of the warmer weather?
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:26 am

Just have been pretty bad if they took FAI over ANC
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:41 am

32andBelow wrote:
Just have been pretty bad if they took FAI over ANC

Yeah looking at the destinations on Wikipedia, the only international flights during this time of year is cargo. Even during the summer its Frankfurt and the Yukon in Canada. So I guess they are either on the plane if heat is available or in a small area of the terminal with barriers and local police??
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:56 am

32andBelow wrote:
Just have been pretty bad if they took FAI over ANC


Probably the filed EDTO alternate. It’s not the closest airport when they diverted.
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:30 am

Currently -14F in FAI. Hopefully, they won't have to do an engine change.
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:31 am

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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:39 pm

Anybody got a chart of mechanical diversions by carrier/type/aircraft age? I suspect the rate of incidence is pretty low but it would be interesting to see how age plays a role - if it does.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:58 pm

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KDTW/PAFA

Looks like it turned while it was roughly above Banks Island, Canada. I'm curious if there are other possible diversion points that were closer, and if they chose FAI because of existing DL personnel there...which implies that the issue wasn't too serious.
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:19 pm

NWAESC wrote:
Currently -14F in FAI. Hopefully, they won't have to do an engine change.


That actually sounds quite warm for January in Fairbanks.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:49 pm

Haha. True, but I was imagining ATL-based AMTs working it when I wrote that.
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 1:55 pm

Media coverage

" It cannot be officially verified but KTVF is hearing over police scanners that engine 2 is currently out."

https://www.webcenter11.com/content/new ... 80741.html
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:10 pm

NWAESC wrote:
Currently -14F in FAI. Hopefully, they won't have to do an engine change.


Friends did an engine change in a C-5 at Eielson AFB one winter—8 days which, being outdoors in the -30F weather for four hours a day, wasn’t too bad.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:17 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
Currently -14F in FAI. Hopefully, they won't have to do an engine change.


Friends did an engine change in a C-5 at Eielson AFB one winter—8 days which, being outdoors in the -30F weather for four hours a day, wasn’t too bad.


LX did one in February '17 with an outside temperature of -30°C in Iqaluit. So not ideal but definitely doable.

Source: https://www.thelocal.ch/20170208/engineers-battle-to-fix-swiss-plane-stranded-in-icy-northern-canada
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:33 pm

Currently about 6 hours of daylight each day. https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/fairbanks
Better work quick! :cold:
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:37 pm

What happened to the rescue flight? Looks like the FAI-ICN leg was cancelled. Are people being re-routed to SEA?
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:39 pm

Still running, just delayed a bit further due to crew rest.
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:45 pm

DL159 had to return to DTW on 1/22/2019 for medical reasons, almost one year back. Just off by one day.
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:10 pm

Just cleared security at FAI. Bit of a zoo between normal traffic to ANC/SEA plus the ICN diversion.

There are two DL A350’s here, the broken plane on the ramp and the rescue plane parked at gate 6 (the international gate at FAI for anybody keeping track). DL staff here seems to be taking care of everybody, although I wouldn’t be surprised if reinforcements were sent up from ANC or SEA since normally FAI only sees the A220 from DL this time of year.

Passengers spent the night in a local hotel.

All in all not a huge deal. Normally ANC gets these diversions, but FAI gets a few from time to time and this was one of those times. FAI sees JL widebody traffic throughout the winter for aurora borealis charters, plus scheduled DE flights in summer, so it’s not like nobody knows what to do with a widebody here.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:33 pm

As Chugach says, both A350's are still here, not sure when the FAI-ICN flight will actually leave, but I can see the runway from my office window, so I'll try to update you all. The first A350 (the one that diverted) had some engine issues and I've heard they found some oil leaking, not sure what the actual issues was though. Our mechanics went and checked it out last night.

As for the weather, right now is the warmest we've had in about 4 weeks. It's -10F this morning, we had -42F a week or two ago, and it's been hovering around -30F since before Christmas.

As for diverting here as opposed to ANC, we actually get a decent amount of widebody service for how small the town is. The runway is 11,800 feet long. There are some cargo flights, and in the winter there are 1-2 charter flights from Asia per week (especially in February/March), I've seen JAL 787s, China Airlines A330s, ANA 777s, as well as military charters, anything from Sun Country 737s to Omni 777s and Atlas 747s, etc. There's also a couple hospitals in Fairbanks in case of medical issues.

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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:10 pm

Interesting article about engine swaps due to cold. https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight ... st-engine/
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:14 pm

NWAESC wrote:
Still running, just delayed a bit further due to crew rest.


What are the logistical reasons for not bringing spare crew on the rescue plane?
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:15 pm

luv2cattlecall wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
Still running, just delayed a bit further due to crew rest.


What are the logistical reasons for not bringing spare crew on the rescue plane?


DHs still counts as on Duty......wouldn’t do any good.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:58 pm

Jerseyguy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Just have been pretty bad if they took FAI over ANC

Yeah looking at the destinations on Wikipedia, the only international flights during this time of year is cargo. Even during the summer its Frankfurt and the Yukon in Canada. So I guess they are either on the plane if heat is available or in a small area of the terminal with barriers and local police??



If the flight is going to ICN they would not have a security issue as the passengers were leaving the US for South Korea.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:09 pm

N503DN (the replacement A350) just took off from FAI bound for ICN at 11:03am local Alaska time, operating as DL159A.
N508DN (the original A350 which diverted) is still sitting on the ramp, they have a flight plan filed as DL9959 back to DTW at 1:10pm but we shall see if that really happens or not.

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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:05 pm

NWAESC wrote:
Currently -14F in FAI. Hopefully, they won't have to do an engine change.

Could be worse. Not like ICN is a warm city.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:28 pm

So, ANOTHER wide body diversion for DL... definitely a rough start to 2020. First the 772 and now the 350...
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 22, 2020 11:32 pm

TWA902fly wrote:
N503DN (the replacement A350) just took off from FAI bound for ICN at 11:03am local Alaska time, operating as DL159A.
N508DN (the original A350 which diverted) is still sitting on the ramp, they have a flight plan filed as DL9959 back to DTW at 1:10pm but we shall see if that really happens or not.

'902
Any updated regarding the flight plan?
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:14 am

usflyguy wrote:
So, ANOTHER wide body diversion for DL... definitely a rough start to 2020. First the 772 and now the 350...


Two 777's (one at LAX, one on LAS-CDG). Plus two 767's (one at POS/SJU, one at MAD). And now an A350.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:18 am

AECM wrote:
TWA902fly wrote:
N503DN (the replacement A350) just took off from FAI bound for ICN at 11:03am local Alaska time, operating as DL159A.
N508DN (the original A350 which diverted) is still sitting on the ramp, they have a flight plan filed as DL9959 back to DTW at 1:10pm but we shall see if that really happens or not.

'902
Any updated regarding the flight plan?


It's now filed for a 5:15pm local time departure, again not sure if that'll really happen or if they just keep pushing it back.

It's still sitting there, with the engine cowling open.

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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 12:50 am

IPFreely wrote:
usflyguy wrote:
So, ANOTHER wide body diversion for DL... definitely a rough start to 2020. First the 772 and now the 350...


Two 777's (one at LAX, one on LAS-CDG). Plus two 767's (one at POS/SJU, one at MAD). And now an A350.


Wasn't there also a 77L stuck in JNB?
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:00 am

luv2cattlecall wrote:
IPFreely wrote:
usflyguy wrote:
So, ANOTHER wide body diversion for DL... definitely a rough start to 2020. First the 772 and now the 350...


Two 777's (one at LAX, one on LAS-CDG). Plus two 767's (one at POS/SJU, one at MAD). And now an A350.


Wasn't there also a 77L stuck in JNB?


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N860DA(LAX-PVG) [email protected] 1/14-?? (estimated to do LAX-HND 1/24)
N508DN(DTW-ICN) [email protected] 1/21-??
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:18 am

Jerseyguy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Just have been pretty bad if they took FAI over ANC

Yeah looking at the destinations on Wikipedia, the only international flights during this time of year is cargo. Even during the summer its Frankfurt and the Yukon in Canada. So I guess they are either on the plane if heat is available or in a small area of the terminal with barriers and local police??


Why would they need police? The flight departed from DTW and the US doesn't have exit controls on immigration, so everyone would have been legally allowed to go anywhere they wanted. Just take them off the plane and take them to a hotel.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:26 am

Western727 wrote:
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL159/history/20200121/1727Z/KDTW/PAFA

Looks like it turned while it was roughly above Banks Island, Canada. I'm curious if there are other possible diversion points that were closer, and if they chose FAI because of existing DL personnel there...which implies that the issue wasn't too serious.


YXY is the only Canadian airport in that part of Canada that can handle a 350. Not much point going there (doubles the customs clearing) when FAI is in the neighbourhood and equally capable.
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Thu Jan 23, 2020 6:27 am

The original broken down A350 departed FAI at 6:28pm local time and is on its way to MSP (as opposed to the originally planned DTW) as DL9959.

In other FAI news... .saw the Mitsubishi SpaceJet MRJ90 doing some cold weather testing today, that was a cool sight. A busy couple days by FAI standards :D

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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:36 pm

Flight Global has an interesting article related with this incident

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a350- ... 34.article
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:44 pm

Gonna have to require sippy cups for the pilots if they keep this up!
 
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Re: DL159 to ICN Diverted to FAI

Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:49 pm

AECM wrote:
Flight Global has an interesting article related with this incident

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/a350- ... 34.article


Wow. I wonder if it's possible to have both engines fail with a spill?

Either way there needs to be a rework of that area to protect against liquids.

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