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DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:10 pm

On the trademark infringement (or at least reuse) front:

So the captain on my DL A220 flight this morning, on the PA, just welcomed us aboard "Delta's new A220 Whisperjet."

Haven't heard that trademark used since my last Eastern 727 flight half a lifetime ago. Wondering if that's standard among the A220 crews, whether it's what DL is calling these things, or whether my guy was just improvising.

Beautiful day. 90 percent of my compatriots have the shades on these nice big windows pulled down. Sigh.

Anyway, thought this was interesting given the Flagship drama.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:18 pm

The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:33 pm

wjcandee wrote:

Beautiful day. 90 percent of my compatriots have the shades on these nice big windows pulled down. Sigh.
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Ugh, my DL hop from LGA-IAH was the same yesterday morning. I was the only one in the cabin with my window open. I was that guy, I guess.

I’ve seen the term whisperjet thrown around in headlines about the complaints about the taxiing noise from Zurich residents. With how frequently it gets used I have to think the trademark is expired or null.

Gotta say, it was my first time on one of these birds, and there is nothing whisper about it when taxiing. That whining sound is quite offputting. I actually understand where the Zurich residents are coming from now. Once we started the takeoff roll, it was quiet as a mouse though.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:34 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:39 pm

afcjets wrote:
Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


:lol:
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm

afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


:old: long before EA came up with the 'whisperliner' gimmick, there even was a beautiful "whispering giant".... I bet even few fewer are going to remember that!
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:06 pm

Being based in DFW, I fly these all the time - yes the whine is noticeable, but once the throttle is pushed forward, that baby is probably the most quiet in the fleet, especially in front of the wing. I've measured the decibels with my apple watch, and I think it was like at 72 db at take off thrust, the A320 in comparison, with the buzz saw sound, was over 80db in first class. Only thing close to it that I've flown domestically is the newest CRJ-900 which is very quiet up front.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:15 pm

Maybe Shirley Q Liquor was on board?
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:39 pm

afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


DL hired very few, maybe tens maybe single digits, EA pilots and every one is either retired or very senior, not flying the A220.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:45 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


DL hired very few, maybe tens maybe single digits, EA pilots and every one is either retired or very senior, not flying the A220.

You never know. At the aitline I work at, one of the ground school instructors retired from the 320 (not entirely sure, may have been the 747 but he's a ground school guy now for the Bus), and one 737 ground school instructor retired from the 737 (that one I know for sure, he told us his retirement flight story).
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:02 pm

1) whisperjet as a trademark for air travel is no longer registered

2) I doubt even if it existed that the mark’s owner would go after an individual using it not in connection with systematically selling air travel.

But, still, damn Delta. They’re so good at being original, I don’t understand the copying.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:27 pm

It really is a quiet aircraft on take off. Watching it depart from LGA, you barely hear anything as it lifts off the ground compared to anything else departing. But that humpback whale call it makes as it taxis to the runway is a different story...
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:28 pm

afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


The owner of the trademark, if there is one. A little unfamiliar with the basics of U.S. trademark law and torts, are we? Patent and trademark trolls buy up obscure stuff all the time, just waiting for the day to sue somebody.
Last edited by MIflyer12 on Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:31 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:30 pm

afcjets wrote:
It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.

oldannyboy wrote:
:old: long before EA came up with the 'whisperliner' gimmick, there even was a beautiful "whispering giant".... I bet even few fewer are going to remember that!

Very few indeed.
I'll see your Bristol Britannia, and raise you a Bristol Beaufighter aka "Whispering Death". :twisted:

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Thx wikipedia (again)
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:31 pm

LX015 wrote:
It really is a quiet aircraft on take off. Watching it depart from LGA, you barely hear anything as it lifts off the ground compared to anything else departing. But that humpback whale call it makes as it taxis to the runway is a different story...


Ohhh, I for one love the humpback lament.... it reminds me of the Vulcan growl!
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:33 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
afcjets wrote:
It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.

oldannyboy wrote:
:old: long before EA came up with the 'whisperliner' gimmick, there even was a beautiful "whispering giant".... I bet even few fewer are going to remember that!

Very few indeed.
I'll see your Bristol Britannia, and raise you a Bristol Beaufighter aka "Whispering Death". :twisted:

Image
Thx wikipedia (again)



;) ;) ;) well done there mate!!! Someone who REALLY knows what we are talking about here :wave: :wave:
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:40 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Very few indeed.
I'll see your Bristol Britannia, and raise you a Bristol Beaufighter aka "Whispering Death". :twisted:



I'd hope it would be bigger news if the captain welcomed everyone onboard delta's newest aircraft, the Airbus "whispering death" a220.

Would certainly wake up a few people on those early morning flights. Great way to make sure a gate is free on your arrival too, after a couple passes.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:47 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


The owner of the trademark, if there is one. A little unfamiliar with the basics of U.S. trademark law and torts, are we? Patent and trademark trolls buy up obscure stuff all the time, just waiting for the day to sue somebody.

This is incorrect, as there isn't really a concept of a trademark troll the way there is a patent troll. You can't just buy up a trademark an assert against someone. If you do not use the trademark in commerce (as in, sell something with that as the brand), you lose the mark. So, someone can claim to have bought "whisperjet," but since they're not flying around using "whisperjet" to sell anything, the trademark is dead.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:09 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Wondering if that's standard among the A220 crews, whether it's what DL is calling these things, or whether my guy was just improvising.


It is not standard. DL doesn't call it that. As you suggested, your CA was improvising.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:33 pm

fanoftristars wrote:
Only thing close to it that I've flown domestically is the newest CRJ-900 which is very quiet up front.


Except for that very annoying fan on the center pedestal lmao. turn that off and the CRJ700/00 becomes the cloak jet
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:36 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


:old: long before EA came up with the 'whisperliner' gimmick, there even was a beautiful "whispering giant".... I bet even few fewer are going to remember that!



Ah yes, the mighty CL44
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:37 pm

How annoying. There’s a lot of them that love to talk on the PA. They will even get on in the middle of the night on red eye flights and make a 60 second long announcement about the weather conditions, forecast, taxi time, approach etc of the destination.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:38 pm

stlgph wrote:
Maybe Shirley Q Liquor was on board?


"How You Durrrrin?"

"And the rest of yo crew .. LaKeesha, Tamika, Kyreesha, Malika, Shafonda and Miss Jasmine ... " LOL!
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:54 pm

I seem to recall the BAe 146 was marketed as the Whipserjet.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:54 pm

D L X wrote:
1) whisperjet as a trademark for air travel is no longer registered

2) I doubt even if it existed that the mark’s owner would go after an individual using it not in connection with systematically selling air travel.

But, still, damn Delta. They’re so good at being original, I don’t understand the copying.


So one pilot says it and now Delta is copying?
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:03 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
How annoying. There’s a lot of them that love to talk on the PA. They will even get on in the middle of the night on red eye flights and make a 60 second long announcement about the weather conditions, forecast, taxi time, approach etc of the destination.

I don't mind a bit of chatter on a daytime flight, especially if they are pointing out points on the route (Grand Canyon) or weather is impacting the destination.

It can get excessive though. I had an AS pilot on SFO-IAD two weeks ago that was giving us an update 30 minutes about many miles we had left in route to IAD. At first it was quite interesting (we are now passing over the Sierra Nevadas just at our cruising altitude, those on the left will get a good view of XYZ, those on the right will get a good view of PDQ) but as the flight progressed it became quite annoying to be disturbed every 30 minutes (Currently over Sioux Falls with 1050 miles to go, then roughly the same thing 30 minutes later).
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:22 pm

I'm sure it was a pilot joke. Just laugh it off and forget about it.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:22 pm

BravoOne wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:
afcjets wrote:


It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


:old: long before EA came up with the 'whisperliner' gimmick, there even was a beautiful "whispering giant".... I bet even few fewer are going to remember that!



Ah yes, the mighty CL44


Ah, err, yeah, kind of... But not quite. :wave:
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:24 pm

stlgph wrote:
Maybe Shirley Q Liquor was on board?


Are you a Michael Berry fan? He's a Texas treasure.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:36 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


DL hired very few, maybe tens maybe single digits, EA pilots and every one is either retired or very senior, not flying the A220.


NW hired quite a few.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:47 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
oldannyboy wrote:

:old: long before EA came up with the 'whisperliner' gimmick, there even was a beautiful "whispering giant".... I bet even few fewer are going to remember that!



Ah yes, the mighty CL44


Ah, err, yeah, kind of... But not quite. :wave:


Well I don't think I get your drift? Maybe the Britannia was first but the CL44 was the first one I knew of and at least I flew it briefly/
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:50 pm

The only two loud things about the a220 are the hydraulics (particularly on landing) and the spool up.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:58 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
D L X wrote:
1) whisperjet as a trademark for air travel is no longer registered

2) I doubt even if it existed that the mark’s owner would go after an individual using it not in connection with systematically selling air travel.

But, still, damn Delta. They’re so good at being original, I don’t understand the copying.


So one pilot says it and now Delta is copying?

I said what I said.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:02 pm

ukoverlander wrote:
I seem to recall the BAe 146 was marketed as the Whisperjet.


Apparently George Michael was going to buy one for touring and call it the 'Careless Whisperjet'...
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:08 pm

JannEejit wrote:
ukoverlander wrote:
I seem to recall the BAe 146 was marketed as the Whisperjet.


Apparently George Michael was going to buy one for touring and call it the 'Careless Whisperjet'...


They should make pills for this......
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:09 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Haven't heard that trademark used since my last Eastern 727 flight half a lifetime ago.


"Whisperjet" and "727" - words that don't belong together! :rotfl:
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:13 pm

D L X wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
D L X wrote:
1) whisperjet as a trademark for air travel is no longer registered

2) I doubt even if it existed that the mark’s owner would go after an individual using it not in connection with systematically selling air travel.

But, still, damn Delta. They’re so good at being original, I don’t understand the copying.


So one pilot says it and now Delta is copying?

I said what I said.


My quote wasn't about your bold line, but do you.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:17 pm

I flew on an AirTran 717 several years ago....during the Captain's welcoming announcement, he said "Welcome aboard our all metal whisperliner". Definitely a throwback from earlier years. I spoke to him after the flight, he was ex Eastern, but has since retired from Southwest. I didn't mention to him that "whisperliners" were wide bodies (at Eastern), the narrow body, like the 717 would have been known as a "whisperjet".

I remember flying on the whiperjets as a teenager, those DC-9's, and 727's were far from "whisperjets"!
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:57 pm

Those living under the flight path of the CSeries/A220 would strongly disagree. It howls louder than any other plane, which I love!
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:16 pm

fanoftristars wrote:
Being based in DFW, I fly these all the time - yes the whine is noticeable, but once the throttle is pushed forward, that baby is probably the most quiet in the fleet, especially in front of the wing. I've measured the decibels with my apple watch, and I think it was like at 72 db at take off thrust, the A320 in comparison, with the buzz saw sound, was over 80db in first class. Only thing close to it that I've flown domestically is the newest CRJ-900 which is very quiet up front.


I've been back in the cabin on a WN B737-Max8 MDW-DAL and it is very quiet even on takeoff.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:19 pm

afcjets wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.



It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


I would think any former Eastern pilot would be long past their mandatory retirement age.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:29 pm

Prost wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
afcjets wrote:


It's likely a former Eastern pilot just reminiscing. Who is going to deliver the cease and desist, you? Very few people will care or remember.


DL hired very few, maybe tens maybe single digits, EA pilots and every one is either retired or very senior, not flying the A220.


NW hired quite a few.


Yes, quite a few, all retired now. They hired a lot of 70-72 and 79-80 EAL hires, that’s a minimum of 40 years ago. EAL died almost 31 years ago. Sorry, we’re mostly retired or very senior wide body captains, 60+
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:31 pm

It’s a Canabus. As a Delta pilot it’s all we call it. The Canabus..... we could ....say Canabus wisperjet! Maybe Wisper Canabus... great plane and love riding in it.
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:40 pm

reltney wrote:
It’s a Canabus. As a Delta pilot it’s all we call it. The Canabus..... we could ....say Canabus wisperjet! Maybe Wisper Canabus... great plane and love riding in it.


I personally prefer Orcabus :D
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:59 pm

After the Republic - Hughes Airwest merger I bid into LAS base as a DC-9 FO and after a couple of months I noticed a fairly high number of Captains wore a hearing aid in their left ear. I asked and was told their hearing loss was from the "Whistle Pig" flying (F-27.)
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:10 pm

fanoftristars wrote:
Being based in DFW, I fly these all the time - yes the whine is noticeable, but once the throttle is pushed forward, that baby is probably the most quiet in the fleet, especially in front of the wing. I've measured the decibels with my apple watch, and I think it was like at 72 db at take off thrust, the A320 in comparison, with the buzz saw sound, was over 80db in first class. Only thing close to it that I've flown domestically is the newest CRJ-900 which is very quiet up front.


Speaking of which, do you know why the PWs make the “whale pod” noise?
 
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Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:10 pm

The then-CEO (now Chairman) of Porter Airlines in Toronto, Robert Deluce, regularly used the term "Whisperjet" starting back in 2013 to describe the CS100/A220-100 when he ordered it for use at Toronto Island Airport (YTZ). Jet-powered aircraft have been administratively banned from operating at YTZ for years, ostensibly on noise grounds. He has thus far been unsuccessful in having the jet ban lifted.
 
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Re: DL A220 "Whisperjet"?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:39 am

ukoverlander wrote:
I seem to recall the BAe 146 was marketed as the Whipserjet.

Indeed it was. The Queen is purported to have described her jet in these terms. The word was picked up by BAE, to promote the model as a good neighbour, including for use at LCY.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:07 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
The Eastern Whisperjet trademark may have fallen into disuse and now be open for general use. It may not - in which a Cease and Desist demand will soon be delivered to Delta, and a pilot sent for training.


Given they have to be renewed every 10 years, and you can show you’ve actually used it, there’s nothing to demand.

Anyway...

https://trademarks.justia.com/723/59/wh ... 59164.html
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:27 am

Maybe DL will refer to it as the Flagship Whisperjet.

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