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Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:46 pm

Sorry if this has already been asked before I've tried searching but couldn't find a concrete answer. On a recent Jet2 flight I got chatting with the crew and they where saying that the company was acquiring some A321's from Thomas Cook. I know jet 2 leases some airbus aircraft but are these actually going to be owned and operated by Jet2 ?
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:50 pm

Yes they acquired 7 ex-Thomas Cook A321’s as 757 replacements and have been hiring pilots with A320 family type ratings, presumably a lot will be ex-Thomas Cook crew.

https://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet ... s/jet2.htm
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:11 pm

airboeingbus wrote:
Sorry if this has already been asked before I've tried searching but couldn't find a concrete answer. On a recent Jet2 flight I got chatting with the crew and they where saying that the company was acquiring some A321's from Thomas Cook. I know jet 2 leases some airbus aircraft but are these actually going to be owned and operated by Jet2 ?



Yes, Jet2 have already purchased the Airbuses(in the paint shop/hangar, of course), the first enters service in March. Training of Flight and Cabin crews has been underway for a while. They’ll all be painted in the Jet2Holidays livery, if you were interested.
This is in addition to the A321s on lease from Titan, Smartlynx and HiFly this summer.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:43 pm

a real mishmash (old) fleet is never a great idea in the longterm (737s, A330's, 757s A321s) Mmm. Suppose the cheap fire sale purchase from TCX assets will have been worth it. Would have liked to have seen an A321 in full silver original livery
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:39 pm

The 757s will going eventually along with the 737 classics that remain.

Jet2 are one to watch. What doesn’t work for others does for them.

A core mix of new and old 738s has given them the opportunity to expand into markets vacated by monarch and Thomas cook with the package holidays.

The A330s are long term lease to cover demand on jet2 European trunk routes. Again, it doesn’t work for others having wide body jets inter Europe, but it seems to for them

Watch this space. It’s an operation to keep a close eye on

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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:44 pm

Just curious about the age of Jet2'S 757 fleet. Do you think some could wind up as freighters or are they older higher cycle and hours aircraft?
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:57 pm

They work for a number of reasons. As an airline their service is exemplary. Their ageing second hand aircraft are in fantastic condition and are well looked after, and very rarely go wrong. And they have introduced the right new types at the right times, I.e 738’s to upgauge from the 733’s and to expand on secondary routes from core hubs. A321’s they have leased in over 2 or 3 summers to get used to the type before acquiring to replace 757’s and the ones acquired are younger sharkleted examples with a lot of life in them. A332’s to add capacity at MAN to release aircraft to other bases. As a tour operator, little things like picking up suitcases from the resort have made them stand out, helped by the reliability of their in house airline. They’ve also, maybe apart from the new vibe brand for their marketing as airline/tour operator spot on. They are a text book airline and will go from strength to strength
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:07 am

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They work for a number of reasons. As an airline their service is exemplary. Their ageing second hand aircraft are in fantastic condition and are well looked after, and very rarely go wrong. And they have introduced the right new types at the right times, I.e 738’s to upgauge from the 733’s and to expand on secondary routes from core hubs. A321’s they have leased in over 2 or 3 summers to get used to the type before acquiring to replace 757’s and the ones acquired are younger sharkleted examples with a lot of life in them. A332’s to add capacity at MAN to release aircraft to other bases. As a tour operator, little things like picking up suitcases from the resort have made them stand out, helped by the reliability of their in house airline. They’ve also, maybe apart from the new vibe brand for their marketing as airline/tour operator spot on. They are a text book airline and will go from strength to strength

Their customer service is excellent as well, I was able to visit the 757 cockpit on landing at the gate as well; one of the top things on my bucket list complete right there.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:32 am

by738 wrote:
a real mishmash (old) fleet is never a great idea in the longterm (737s, A330's, 757s A321s) Mmm. Suppose the cheap fire sale purchase from TCX assets will have been worth it. Would have liked to have seen an A321 in full silver original livery


It's my understanding that the A330s are all ACMI leases? Same with the babybus fleet until this year.

Jet2 wasn't massively enamoured with the build quality of the new 737s they got from Boeing, this this isn't that surprising.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:42 am

pdp wrote:
by738 wrote:
a real mishmash (old) fleet is never a great idea in the longterm (737s, A330's, 757s A321s) Mmm. Suppose the cheap fire sale purchase from TCX assets will have been worth it. Would have liked to have seen an A321 in full silver original livery


It's my understanding that the A330s are all ACMI leases? Same with the babybus fleet until this year.

Jet2 wasn't massively enamoured with the build quality of the new 737s they got from Boeing, this this isn't that surprising.

How so? Any sources?
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:12 am

pdp wrote:
by738 wrote:
a real mishmash (old) fleet is never a great idea in the longterm (737s, A330's, 757s A321s) Mmm. Suppose the cheap fire sale purchase from TCX assets will have been worth it. Would have liked to have seen an A321 in full silver original livery


It's my understanding that the A330s are all ACMI leases? Same with the babybus fleet until this year.

Jet2 wasn't massively enamoured with the build quality of the new 737s they got from Boeing, this this isn't that surprising.


The A330’s are leased from Air Tanker, but operate with Jet2 cabin crew.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:16 am

kabq737 wrote:
pdp wrote:
by738 wrote:
a real mishmash (old) fleet is never a great idea in the longterm (737s, A330's, 757s A321s) Mmm. Suppose the cheap fire sale purchase from TCX assets will have been worth it. Would have liked to have seen an A321 in full silver original livery


It's my understanding that the A330s are all ACMI leases? Same with the babybus fleet until this year.

Jet2 wasn't massively enamoured with the build quality of the new 737s they got from Boeing, this this isn't that surprising.

How so? Any sources?

I wouldn't be surprised as a lot of people here and elsewhere has reported the same thing - not just 737 but Boeing in general

Heck one of my captain friend complained that their first couple 787s are completely different from the latter ones when it comes to how they should handle it and all of these were only found out after delivery - although I know it's only one person complaining so it's really just a rumour

And let's face it - it's not Airbus's clean either - new planes are having so many furnishing quality issues as well. A result of rushing through delivery schedule IMO.

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Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:29 am

georgiabill

Average age 29.6 yrs per airfleets.

G-LSAG been at Kemble since November.

Both suggest that they will be scrapped.

Best get your pictures now.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:25 am

Jet2 are a great company. Have used them on a few occasions now, and have nothing but praise for them. All their package tours include 22kg baggage allowance, and return coach transfers to the hotel. These 2 items alone can add a significant amount to the holiday price if they aren't included with the holiday itself. Also, as someone else mentioned, they pick up your bags and take them to the airport for you (free of charge!). This is especially useful, for example, if you have to check out of your room by noon, but your flight doesn't depart until the evening/night. This means you can enjoy the last afternoon/evening of your holiday without having to drag your baggage around with you. Not all hotels/apartments offer left luggage facilities, and sometimes when they do, they aren't very secure.

Jet2 have really carved out a successful niche for themselves over the years.

As somebody else also said, their aircraft are in immaculate condition in my experience. My last flight with them was on an ancient 737-300, but the interior was in excellent shape. The only thing that gave away the age, was the overhead panels/call buttons etc.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Jet2 and the Dart Group really have their heads screwed on. They have played really well and are well respected with measured growth in established markets. Also operating older fleets to start with rather than ordering brand new or nearly new aircraft helped in the early days. Remember many of their 737s were between 15-20 years old when they got them and have served them very very well with most putting in another 10 years. It does look to me though that even though three of the 757s are less than 30 years old (G-LSAC, AN and AK) i can only really see AK going to be a freighter and possibly AN but it would be a gamble on these, those 757s are on a one way trip to scrap man. Having said that with DHL getting some of their 757s to over 35 years of age anythings possible. One thing i will say though that those A321s will probably be some of the best condition A321s when they come to withdrawal as anyone who has seen G-LSAG at Kemble will testify Jet2 really do look after their assets. Only thing that remains to be seen is whether they will pick up A320s to become an all Airbus airline. I would be very surprised, even though they have some of the last NGs that they aren't eyeing up some A320s. Only trouble is they would need a lot of them and i suspect they will be remain 737-800 and A321 for a good little while. But who knows!
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:20 pm

A modern day, larger, more nimble, more focussed, more professional, Dan-Air, and on the radar of a few for acquisition and removal.

An operator that can be truly described as a role model for small and large airlines in how to build customer and staff loyalty, and maintain and present a fleet (AI and AF please take a few lessons).
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:19 pm

kabq737 wrote:
pdp wrote:
by738 wrote:
a real mishmash (old) fleet is never a great idea in the longterm (737s, A330's, 757s A321s) Mmm. Suppose the cheap fire sale purchase from TCX assets will have been worth it. Would have liked to have seen an A321 in full silver original livery


It's my understanding that the A330s are all ACMI leases? Same with the babybus fleet until this year.

Jet2 wasn't massively enamoured with the build quality of the new 737s they got from Boeing, this this isn't that surprising.

How so? Any sources?


I have a friend within Jet2 who is more than familiar with their aircraft. Apparently the older 737s are solid bits of kit, but the newer ones...
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:54 pm

Where are they going to use all their A330s..They seem a lot for their network..I know they fly them to PMI and TFS in summer but apart from that where else would they be deployed?They can't have them sitting on ground most of the day..
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:33 pm

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Where are they going to use all their A330s..They seem a lot for their network..I know they fly them to PMI and TFS in summer but apart from that where else would they be deployed?They can't have them sitting on ground most of the day..


The summer will see them on the high demand routes where they can essentially combine 2 flights into one, Balearics, Canaries, Alicante, Turkey. In the winter, it’s much the same, Canaries/Turkey but with the addition of New York which keeps one airframe busy for most of the season.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:35 pm

Yup. So the next chapter of fleet acquisition begins. Okay 15 seats less than 757 but more economical and fuel efficient. And allows them now to expand, with this new fleet, into BHX (confirmed) and into STN eventually. And if they get some very new ones, or a fresh order with A321NEO they'll be out of LBA to provide additional uplift.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:43 pm

mattyfitzg wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Where are they going to use all their A330s..They seem a lot for their network..I know they fly them to PMI and TFS in summer but apart from that where else would they be deployed?They can't have them sitting on ground most of the day..


The summer will see them on the high demand routes where they can essentially combine 2 flights into one, Balearics, Canaries, Alicante, Turkey. In the winter, it’s much the same, Canaries/Turkey but with the addition of New York which keeps one airframe busy for most of the season.


Not just about combining flights but also about capacity. If that theory was correct you'd have two flights a day to PMI, on 2 A330 AM/PM with maybe the PMI aircraft operating into MAN on the quiet. Instead of provides additional capacity. ALC/FAO has not had this done either.
Jet2 are very good at having not only frequencies but also capacity.
MAN-PMI for example on day in summer has 1 A330, 2 757, 1 A321 and a B738. Similarly MAN TFS has a 757, A330 and A321 all on one day.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:15 pm

Nickd92 wrote:
Yup. So the next chapter of fleet acquisition begins. Okay 15 seats less than 757 but more economical and fuel efficient. And allows them now to expand, with this new fleet, into BHX (confirmed) and into STN eventually. And if they get some very new ones, or a fresh order with A321NEO they'll be out of LBA to provide additional uplift.


I doubt they’ll order brand new, the 737-800’s were deeply discounted end of line models. They’ll probably keep those now for another 30 years.

Ordering brand new A321s now would be more expensive than before because the size of the order book makes it a seller’s market, Airbus know they don’t have to discount as much as they normally would because they’re selling the only non-grounded narrowbodies.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:36 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Where are they going to use all their A330s..They seem a lot for their network..I know they fly them to PMI and TFS in summer but apart from that where else would they be deployed?They can't have them sitting on ground most of the day..

Definitely Turkey. PMI is a daily widebody and one aircraft can do a MAN-PMI-MAN then a Turkey trip afterwards.

LS has a number of routes they can deploy the A330 on. Alicante and Malaga are possible filler turns on top of a longer trip out.
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:38 pm

Jet2 an airline that keeps growing do you think we see them at LGW in the near future
give Easyjet a run for the money
 
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Jet2 and the Dart Group really have their heads screwed on. They have played really well and are well respected with measured growth in established markets. Also operating older fleets to start with rather than ordering brand new or nearly new aircraft helped in the early days. Remember many of their 737s were between 15-20 years old when they got them and have served them very very well with most putting in another 10 years. It does look to me though that even though three of the 757s are less than 30 years old (G-LSAC, AN and AK) i can only really see AK going to be a freighter and possibly AN but it would be a gamble on these, those 757s are on a one way trip to scrap man. Having said that with DHL getting some of their 757s to over 35 years of age anythings possible. One thing i will say though that those A321s will probably be some of the best condition A321s when they come to withdrawal as anyone who has seen G-LSAG at Kemble will testify Jet2 really do look after their assets. Only thing that remains to be seen is whether they will pick up A320s to become an all Airbus airline. I would be very surprised, even though they have some of the last NGs that they aren't eyeing up some A320s. Only trouble is they would need a lot of them and i suspect they will be remain 737-800 and A321 for a good little while. But who knows!

G-LSAD looks to be the next unlucky contestant to get a visit to Kemble.
Also upcoming is the withdrawal of G-CELY, the last of the Ansett batch of planes that pioneered the first expansion of Jet2.

Both are not planned to be flying this summer.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:21 am

Channex757 wrote:
B757236GT wrote:
Jet2 and the Dart Group really have their heads screwed on. They have played really well and are well respected with measured growth in established markets. Also operating older fleets to start with rather than ordering brand new or nearly new aircraft helped in the early days. Remember many of their 737s were between 15-20 years old when they got them and have served them very very well with most putting in another 10 years. It does look to me though that even though three of the 757s are less than 30 years old (G-LSAC, AN and AK) i can only really see AK going to be a freighter and possibly AN but it would be a gamble on these, those 757s are on a one way trip to scrap man. Having said that with DHL getting some of their 757s to over 35 years of age anythings possible. One thing i will say though that those A321s will probably be some of the best condition A321s when they come to withdrawal as anyone who has seen G-LSAG at Kemble will testify Jet2 really do look after their assets. Only thing that remains to be seen is whether they will pick up A320s to become an all Airbus airline. I would be very surprised, even though they have some of the last NGs that they aren't eyeing up some A320s. Only trouble is they would need a lot of them and i suspect they will be remain 737-800 and A321 for a good little while. But who knows!

G-LSAD looks to be the next unlucky contestant to get a visit to Kemble.
Also upcoming is the withdrawal of G-CELY, the last of the Ansett batch of planes that pioneered the first expansion of Jet2.

Both are not planned to be flying this summer.


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I have many happy memories dispatching "LY" on both passenger and cargo flights, I think the first aircraft I ever worked on that is older than I am.


I've mentioned it before but my one true love is LSAC. Flew that when it was that grubby grey. That one seems to have a distinct engine note and I can often hear it flying over here.
 
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tonyflyboi wrote:
Jet2 an airline that keeps growing do you think we see them at LGW in the near future
give Easyjet a run for the money


No, because LGW is slot controlled. Unless another airline goes under or voluntarily gives up slots, finding enough slots at the right times to make viable days of flying for several aircraft isn't possible. There are certainly slots available at some times of day but not enough of them to make basing multiple aircraft worthwhile. The two opportunities missed at Gatwick were Monarch (slots bought by BA) and Thomas Cook (slots bought by Easyjet). Instead Jet2 are rapidly building a strong position at STN, though often with wet-leased aircraft.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:19 pm

I am surprised they haven't (yet) expanded to TLV..Yes, i know the competition is fearsome, esp. in London.,but they have never been ones to shy away from it..Plus, regional connectivity to TLV from BHX,GLA,EDI,BFS etc is seriously lacking competition..They have a good solid product with a great brand name in the UK, so why not?
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:31 pm

In terms of expansion i can see only one place Jet2 could try and ive got be honest i think i'd have much more chance winning the jackpot on the lottery. This airport is BRS which at the moment has spare capacity with Thomas Cook and BMI regional gone and with Ryanair reducing ops it leaves just Easyjet as the main carrier. Obviously BHX is just up the road but then again they operate from EMA and that is alot closer than BRS is to BHX. The only trouble is it has become fortress orange now being one of the few basis to get A321s allocated. The other problem is BRS has a terrible rep locally at the moment so thats why its very unlikely but its the only place that has capacity.

In terms of the outgoing 757s i thought the three ex Chinese ones were going first. Certainly my contact at ASI mentioned three 757-21Bs which would fit. Not sure about LSAD which has i don't think ever really left Europe for its entire life starting with Air Europe Group, then JMC,Flying,Colours,Thomas cook.. Wasn't that the one that also carried Air Scotland titles while with Air Greece?
 
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SX-BLW is now G-LSAD

Curtesy of planespotters.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... et2/epg74e
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:13 pm

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I am surprised they haven't (yet) expanded to TLV..Yes, i know the competition is fearsome, esp. in London.,but they have never been ones to shy away from it..Plus, regional connectivity to TLV from BHX,GLA,EDI,BFS etc is seriously lacking competition..They have a good solid product with a great brand name in the UK, so why not?


They did fly MAN-TLV for a short while IIRC. It was about the Thomson used to do it too, but then Jet2 left either just before or just after EasyJet started MAN-TLV.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:23 pm

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I am surprised they haven't (yet) expanded to TLV..Yes, i know the competition is fearsome, esp. in London.,but they have never been ones to shy away from it..Plus, regional connectivity to TLV from BHX,GLA,EDI,BFS etc is seriously lacking competition..They have a good solid product with a great brand name in the UK, so why not?


They have served Tel Aviv from Manchester in the past , however its a rather difficult market in which to actually make money on.

From cities other than Manchester London and Birmingham the diaspora is pretty small (no disrespect) .

Right now for instance El-AL are once again struggling from Manchester (down to just a weekly flight for at least the next eight weeks !)

If Israel is in their sights I think they might well consider Ramon - caveat if they can get budget and reasonable quality accommodation to market (Not so easy) around Eilat
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:57 pm

Some one please explain to me Jet2 fleet strategy? I am getting the feeling from what I have read here is they prefer to purchase aircraft at a cheaper rate, be it through old age or end of line deals and keep it moving until the very last day. If so that is a really interesting strategy much different to the typical LCC method.

They also haven’t committed to a new type which may have been a blessing with the MAX situation and a curse with the NEO backlog, any idea what there plan is for the future?
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:18 pm

Also what is jet2 latest livery the grey and red one or the blue and white? Much prefer the red and grey.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:19 pm

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Also what is jet2 latest livery the grey and red one or the blue and white? Much prefer the red and grey.

Both basically


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Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:24 pm

MCTSET wrote:
Some one please explain to me Jet2 fleet strategy? I am getting the feeling from what I have read here is they prefer to purchase aircraft at a cheaper rate, be it through old age or end of line deals and keep it moving until the very last day. If so that is a really interesting strategy much different to the typical LCC method.

They also haven’t committed to a new type which may have been a blessing with the MAX situation and a curse with the NEO backlog, any idea what there plan is for the future?


They aren’t primarily a LCC /FLEXIBLE FARES carrier in the main.
Something closer to a tour operator with airline attached business with some excess sold to the villa / apartment owner market . Even their city destinations have a large leisure short break holiday bias and it seems to work for them.

Their own fleet has been built around the 737 from classic 733 ( some convertible for night freight from their original iteration) to now mainly the 738 a mix of used and cheap end of line new frames.

The 757 were bought for the longer Canary routes and high capacity Palma/Malaga and Alicante with Cyprus during the season . They have served well out of Manchester and Leeds however other than the ETOPS certified frames are now long in the tooth.

So what to replace the non ETOPS well right now the only viable option is the 321 imho.

As for the Air Tanker frames the TCX collapse and end of winter CONDOR lease has provided an opportunity for some extra capacity at very reasonable rates to grow Manchester and that’s for sure .

It certainly not that unusual, in the in house tour operator airline business and three core frame types ain’t that hard to manage (AIR TANKER do their own maintenance) and their engines are fly per hour I believe.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:02 pm

Surprised to see their A330's in a comfortable 2-4-2 seat configuration. Its generally been standard for high density 'Holiday' airlines to be configure 3-3-3 ie, Monarch, Dan Air, Trans Aer etc. At only 330'ish seats ... that's a loss of around 30 bums on seats!
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:31 pm

Andy33 wrote:
tonyflyboi wrote:
Jet2 an airline that keeps growing do you think we see them at LGW in the near future
give Easyjet a run for the money


No, because LGW is slot controlled. Unless another airline goes under or voluntarily gives up slots, finding enough slots at the right times to make viable days of flying for several aircraft isn't possible. There are certainly slots available at some times of day but not enough of them to make basing multiple aircraft worthwhile. The two opportunities missed at Gatwick were Monarch (slots bought by BA) and Thomas Cook (slots bought by Easyjet). Instead Jet2 are rapidly building a strong position at STN, though often with wet-leased aircraft.


11/15 aircraft based at STN this year will belong to Jet2. All will be Jet2 737-800. Like i've pointed out, considering the position of this base, growth and likability of the base within the head office i would not be surprised to see them put their own metal A321 into STN.

They use Titan only in STN and this year will see 4 A321 operating for them. This works for both Jet2 and Titan airways. Titan have worked for the airline for as long as i can remember - usually G-POWN at MAN until the STN base was set up. At that point they transferred A321 over to STN (Titan Base so easier to cover crew sickness, MX etc) and their relationship with Titan become deeper to the point they have 4 A321 operating out of STN.

This is also the same at MAN with Air Tanker who will see 3 A330-200 operating for the airline. This alongside a Hi-Fly A321. BHX sees 3 A321 from Smart Lynx. This is the good thing about Jet2. They lease in the extra capacity to ensure they've got it when they need it. It's then not required in off peak periods.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:35 pm

TheWorm123 wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:
Yup. So the next chapter of fleet acquisition begins. Okay 15 seats less than 757 but more economical and fuel efficient. And allows them now to expand, with this new fleet, into BHX (confirmed) and into STN eventually. And if they get some very new ones, or a fresh order with A321NEO they'll be out of LBA to provide additional uplift.


I doubt they’ll order brand new, the 737-800’s were deeply discounted end of line models. They’ll probably keep those now for another 30 years.

Ordering brand new A321s now would be more expensive than before because the size of the order book makes it a seller’s market, Airbus know they don’t have to discount as much as they normally would because they’re selling the only non-grounded narrowbodies.


True considering the current marker position with Boeing MAX. However i can still see an order for the A321NEO as it will allow them to have concrete growth pipeline into the company. The current way, of going out onto the mid life market for 737-800 and A321's, does not always deliver the concrete plan of "5 extra aircraft next year" if one of those sales falls through for a multitude of reasons. I foresee an order soon. And this rumour of long haul isn't going away neither.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:38 pm

flyjay123 wrote:
Surprised to see their A330's in a comfortable 2-4-2 seat configuration. Its generally been standard for high density 'Holiday' airlines to be configure 3-3-3 ie, Monarch, Dan Air, Trans Aer etc. At only 330'ish seats ... that's a loss of around 30 bums on seats!


Is the layout dictated by Jet 2 or Airtanker/RAF requirements though ?

Edited to add: I had a look on the Air Tanker site which says they offer the A330-200 in a standard cabin configuration of 291 seats in a 2-4-2 formation. They can also offer customer specific layouts but presumably the 'off the shelf' config offers the best leasing economies to the likes of Jet 2 ?

https://www.airtanker.co.uk/leasing/com ... igurations
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:22 pm

tonyflyboi wrote:
Jet2 an airline that keeps growing do you think we see them at LGW in the near future
give Easyjet a run for the money

If Norwegian fancy getting out of non-Scandinavian short/mid haul flying from LGW and need a buyer...…..just sayin'
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:46 pm

JannEejit wrote:
flyjay123 wrote:
Surprised to see their A330's in a comfortable 2-4-2 seat configuration. Its generally been standard for high density 'Holiday' airlines to be configure 3-3-3 ie, Monarch, Dan Air, Trans Aer etc. At only 330'ish seats ... that's a loss of around 30 bums on seats!


Is the layout dictated by Jet 2 or Airtanker/RAF requirements though ?

Edited to add: I had a look on the Air Tanker site which says they offer the A330-200 in a standard cabin configuration of 291 seats in a 2-4-2 formation. They can also offer customer specific layouts but presumably the 'off the shelf' config offers the best leasing economies to the likes of Jet 2 ?

https://www.airtanker.co.uk/leasing/com ... igurations


If Jet2 really wanted 3-3-3 the modifications required are fairly simple, it's usually a re-config of the oxygen mask systems, PSU lighting etc. However, the Tanker A330's have the type-1 door at the doors 3 area on their A330's, so there is a restriction on how many the aircraft can seat. If they was to have the larger type-A doors at the doors 3 area, I'm sure jet2 would have gone for 3-3-3.

From memory... the limit for the A330-200 with all type A doors 406 seats.
The variant with type 1 doors is 375.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:50 pm

Nickd92 wrote:
True considering the current marker position with Boeing MAX. However i can still see an order for the A321NEO as it will allow them to have concrete growth pipeline into the company. The current way, of going out onto the mid life market for 737-800 and A321's, does not always deliver the concrete plan of "5 extra aircraft next year" if one of those sales falls through for a multitude of reasons. I foresee an order soon. And this rumour of long haul isn't going away neither.


That’s a good point even if it is only a couple of A321N’s on order, before they used the A330 on New York flights they only used a 757 or two which is ETOPS compliant but with the retirement of the 757’s already underway (albeit slowly) they’ll soon lose their only owned ETOPS aircraft.

Jet2 seem to have a Delta type approach to fleet acquisition, buy planes that are a few years old but fly them until their 30+ years old with excellent maintenance.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:56 pm

Is there any indication of the curent status and/or location of the A321 aircraft that are due to arrive with LS within the next 4 days? Looking at FR24 data, it shows the old TCX registrations are currently either at LCA or SNN and looking at the CAA's G-INFO there is no record of the proposed new registration series for these A321's (presumably G-HLY(A) onwards)

Source: https://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/jet2.htm
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:12 pm

EthanMcLean wrote:
Is there any indication of the curent status and/or location of the A321 aircraft that are due to arrive with LS within the next 4 days? Looking at FR24 data, it shows the old TCX registrations are currently either at LCA or SNN and looking at the CAA's G-INFO there is no record of the proposed new registration series for these A321's (presumably G-HLY(A) onwards)

Source: https://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/jet2.htm

I’ve been checking every other day but there’s no updates for a while now, not even regs have started to appear on G-INFO yet.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:18 pm

Jet2 are outstanding, we mostly book with them now if going on a European holiday. Some old jets but even the 733s look immaculate inside and out. Must have some great engineering staff as they are well looked after.

321s should serve them well and I wonder if they will soon start to look at longer haul markets now TCX are gone such as Mexico and Florida.

Customer service is immense and decent options from Northern and Central UK airports.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:38 pm

For me it will be interesting to see if they pick up more Airbus single aisle or stick with the 737-800 coming from used sources (G-DRTZ and DRTM are due to join the fleet) and go with two fleets. This summer they will have 7 737-300s left (of various parentage) and 7 757-200s left and from what I'm hearing this may be the last summer for these two fleets leaving just A321 and 737-800 from summer 2021. Of the 737-800s however some are now in the early 20s (G-GDFD is the oldest at 22 and half years) and while its reasonable to assume they will get their moneys worth from them i expect the first will start to go around 27-28 years of age but unlike the 300s which came from mainly two sources the 800s are from all over the places so the hours and cycles must be far more mixed up compared to the 300s so that figure purely a guesstimate.

While all the above is incredibly unlikely, (they have 74 800s currently in operation (72+2 to come)) i cant help thinking there has been a serious consideration at Jet2 that would they take the plunge and possibly replace the 737-800s with used A320s and come an all Airbus operator. Thoughts?
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:35 pm

B757236GT wrote:
For me it will be interesting to see if they pick up more Airbus single aisle or stick with the 737-800 coming from used sources (G-DRTZ and DRTM are due to join the fleet) and go with two fleets. This summer they will have 7 737-300s left (of various parentage) and 7 757-200s left and from what I'm hearing this may be the last summer for these two fleets leaving just A321 and 737-800 from summer 2021. Of the 737-800s however some are now in the early 20s (G-GDFD is the oldest at 22 and half years) and while its reasonable to assume they will get their moneys worth from them i expect the first will start to go around 27-28 years of age but unlike the 300s which came from mainly two sources the 800s are from all over the places so the hours and cycles must be far more mixed up compared to the 300s so that figure purely a guesstimate.

While all the above is incredibly unlikely, (they have 74 800s currently in operation (72+2 to come)) i cant help thinking there has been a serious consideration at Jet2 that would they take the plunge and possibly replace the 737-800s with used A320s and come an all Airbus operator. Thoughts?

The commitment they’re showing to the 737-800 makes me doubt a move to all Airbus, especially because they bought a majority brand new.

The A321 is a matter of convenience, it’s the only real 757-200 replacement and by sheer coincidence TCX went bust meaning A321’s were suddenly available and a bunch of A320 rated pilots were left unemployed and ripe for the picking.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:34 pm

B757236GT wrote:
While all the above is incredibly unlikely, (they have 74 800s currently in operation (72+2 to come)) i cant help thinking there has been a serious consideration at Jet2 that would they take the plunge and possibly replace the 737-800s with used A320s and come an all Airbus operator. Thoughts?


Anything is possible, but I wonder what the advantage would be in replacing 75 relatively young and modern 737-800s with A321s of the same generation? Availability of cheap, good condition narrow bodies in substantial numbers in the A320/321 size is not great, so Jet2 wouldn't find too many bargains. Airbus can't make the A321 fast enough, so opportunistic replacement or renewal of the fleet seems unlikely. If Jet2 wanted the additional 30 seats on every single flight, were ordering ~100 NEO/MAX aircraft to renew the entire fleet or Boeing wanted a good-news MAX story, all bets might be off. In the medium-term, there is no reason that Jet2 cannot operate a two-type fleet of 738 & 321, or even "all Airbus" bases of A320/321/330, if they wanted to. The 737 and 757 works well for them now, there is no reason to suspect that the A321 wouldn't work in a similar way to the 757.

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