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Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:40 pm

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For me it will be interesting to see if they pick up more Airbus single aisle or stick with the 737-800 coming from used sources (G-DRTZ and DRTM are due to join the fleet) and go with two fleets. This summer they will have 7 737-300s left (of various parentage) and 7 757-200s left and from what I'm hearing this may be the last summer for these two fleets leaving just A321 and 737-800 from summer 2021. Of the 737-800s however some are now in the early 20s (G-GDFD is the oldest at 22 and half years) and while its reasonable to assume they will get their moneys worth from them i expect the first will start to go around 27-28 years of age but unlike the 300s which came from mainly two sources the 800s are from all over the places so the hours and cycles must be far more mixed up compared to the 300s so that figure purely a guesstimate.

While all the above is incredibly unlikely, (they have 74 800s currently in operation (72+2 to come)) i cant help thinking there has been a serious consideration at Jet2 that would they take the plunge and possibly replace the 737-800s with used A320s and come an all Airbus operator. Thoughts?


I think their plan would have been to cherry pick some newer 738's that came available as the MAX came online, to replace the remaining 300's and older 800's when the time came. Obviously the issues with the MAX will have delayed this eventuality by a couple of years at least, and it also meant that getting the A321's that are not only new, but basically come with type rated crew as another poster mentioned was an opportunity they had to take. I think the experience of having the A321 on summer leases and getting a feel for it operationally will have helped sway their decision.

I still maintain as I initially stated though, I think if you were to ask Jet2 their fleet plans a couple of years ago it would have been to replace 300's and older 800's with newer 2nd hand 800's as the MAX came online with a small sub-fleet of A332's (whether it be the Air Tanker ones or whether they eventually get their own). The only real thing the 737-800 can't do that the 757 can is the NY Christmas trips. The A330 can do these and add capacity on the routes the 757 needed replacing on.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:36 pm

B757236GT wrote:
For me it will be interesting to see if they pick up more Airbus single aisle or stick with the 737-800 coming from used sources (G-DRTZ and DRTM are due to join the fleet) and go with two fleets. This summer they will have 7 737-300s left (of various parentage) and 7 757-200s left and from what I'm hearing this may be the last summer for these two fleets leaving just A321 and 737-800 from summer 2021. Of the 737-800s however some are now in the early 20s (G-GDFD is the oldest at 22 and half years) and while its reasonable to assume they will get their moneys worth from them i expect the first will start to go around 27-28 years of age but unlike the 300s which came from mainly two sources the 800s are from all over the places so the hours and cycles must be far more mixed up compared to the 300s so that figure purely a guesstimate.

While all the above is incredibly unlikely, (they have 74 800s currently in operation (72+2 to come)) i cant help thinking there has been a serious consideration at Jet2 that would they take the plunge and possibly replace the 737-800s with used A320s and come an all Airbus operator. Thoughts?


Wheres your rumour that the 757-200 is going by S21?
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:51 am

Nickd92 wrote:

Wheres your rumour that the 757-200 is going by S21?


A 757 flight crew member who is converting on to the A321. He claims they are speeding up the withdrawal plan as they have been able to pick up the A321s so they will be used together this summer to provide extra capacity and then run down with more A321s added to the fleet. Five of the 757s were scheduled for withdrawal within the next 18months anyway so it kind of makes sense as i cant see the point running just 4 757s and 7 a321s when it seems clear that the 321 is the way forward now for Jet2.
I assume the NYC runs will now be done with an A330 from winter 2021. While i would suggest of course this just a rumour i have no reason to doubt it as it does seem believable. I suppose only time will tell but i think it is clear that the 757 will be on the way out soon so get yer cameras out as with the TUI 757s also going the 757 in pax configuration will be a rare thing!

I admit i am playing devils advocate when i talk about the A320 as i agree i suspect they will be 737-800 and A321 and as pointed it out its not like its any different at the moment but the aviation world is a queer thing and if i know one thing, the only certainty is nothing is certain!
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:45 pm

B757236GT wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

Wheres your rumour that the 757-200 is going by S21?


A 757 flight crew member who is converting on to the A321. He claims they are speeding up the withdrawal plan as they have been able to pick up the A321s so they will be used together this summer to provide extra capacity and then run down with more A321s added to the fleet. Five of the 757s were scheduled for withdrawal within the next 18months anyway so it kind of makes sense as i cant see the point running just 4 757s and 7 a321s when it seems clear that the 321 is the way forward now for Jet2.
I assume the NYC runs will now be done with an A330 from winter 2021. While i would suggest of course this just a rumour i have no reason to doubt it as it does seem believable. I suppose only time will tell but i think it is clear that the 757 will be on the way out soon so get yer cameras out as with the TUI 757s also going the 757 in pax configuration will be a rare thing!

I admit i am playing devils advocate when i talk about the A320 as i agree i suspect they will be 737-800 and A321 and as pointed it out its not like its any different at the moment but the aviation world is a queer thing and if i know one thing, the only certainty is nothing is certain!


And there is the downfall of your source. He claims.

I've read and been told by reliable sources the B757 will be around until 2024. They've recently upgraded all the B757 into glass cockpit displays, they've also invested into equipment into most of them. GLSAD, GLSAH and GLSAG maybe going but the rest have had a-lot of money spent on them which makes me believe they'll be around till 2024. PM is a very astute business man who would not chuck a-lot of money at most of the fleet to dispose of them within the next 12 months.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:12 pm

Nickd92 wrote:

I've read and been told by reliable sources the B757 will be around until 2024. They've recently upgraded all the B757 into glass cockpit displays, they've also invested into equipment into most of them. GLSAD, GLSAH and GLSAG maybe going but the rest have had a-lot of money spent on them which makes me believe they'll be around till 2024. PM is a very astute business man who would not chuck a-lot of money at most of the fleet to dispose of them within the next 12 months.


The 757 has been glass cockpit since day one though.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:17 pm

Although i love the A321s, i am wondering how come they didn't opt for 739ER with 215pax, which would have provided them with commonality along the 738s..Are the 739s so rare to find?
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:19 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

I've read and been told by reliable sources the B757 will be around until 2024. They've recently upgraded all the B757 into glass cockpit displays, they've also invested into equipment into most of them. GLSAD, GLSAH and GLSAG maybe going but the rest have had a-lot of money spent on them which makes me believe they'll be around till 2024. PM is a very astute business man who would not chuck a-lot of money at most of the fleet to dispose of them within the next 12 months.


The 757 has been glass cockpit since day one though.


They’ve added newer bigger screens to replace some backup analog instruments along with the CRT screens, I’ve been in G-LSAA’s cockpit.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:13 pm

Nickd92 wrote:

And there is the downfall of your source. He claims.

I've read and been told by reliable sources the B757 will be around until 2024. They've recently upgraded all the B757 into glass cockpit displays, they've also invested into equipment into most of them. GLSAD, GLSAH and GLSAG maybe going but the rest have had a-lot of money spent on them which makes me believe they'll be around till 2024. PM is a very astute business man who would not chuck a-lot of money at most of the fleet to dispose of them within the next 12 months.


As i said anything is possible. When i see him again i will put this to him and see what he says. I personally love the 757 hence my username so i'd be more than happy to see them going till 2024 and i have to say i was a tad disappointed when he said that as Ive been following the remaining fleets with a view to taking a few in as there is nothing like that buzzsaw sound on takeoff. I have to say too for me i wonder if they would be better off as a 737-800 airline with A330s for bigger capacity where needed as i think compared to the 757 the A321 is probably not as big a difference. Having said that as pensioned former Airbus employee i suppose i should really be saying "Buy Airbus!"

Do you have any info on the 737-300s as they have my bogey 737 in their fleet G-GDFN which was G-EZYH. It followed me everywhere when it was with Easyjet and i even had it with Air Baltic and Sky Europe too but Ive never been on it in Jet2 services so I'm tempted to just get a ride on it just to say i flew it with every airline its been with. Odd enough G-EZTH is my bogey A320. It would seem Hotel, Easyjet and me go together.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:53 pm

Not replying to anyone in particular, but picking up on some questions raised. I highly doubt we would see Jet2 switch to becoming an all Airbus operator within the next 10 years, they have invested in their 737-800's along with a bunch of fresh factory build frames. The Dart group also own a number of the B738's which are leased to Jet2 so as a type the B738 is pretty much hard wired in.

However, their fleet size is now big enough to have a B73x and a A32x fleet working side by side. 737's for the bread and butter routes and 321's for the short-haul that warrants the capacity uplift, and 330's for the routes that require an even bigger uplift in capacity.

Perhaps in 10 years plus Jet2 might be in a position to bargain between Airbus and Boeing for a single type to replace their fleet but their strategy has worked thus far with a small subfleet of B757's so why not with a small subfleet of Airbus A32x's (the A330s are piloted by AirTanker pilots)

Will the 330's be flying to Florida, Caribbean and Mexico.... possibly as the gap in the market is there but why use a A330 doing x2 long-haul sectors in 24hours where it could be doing x4 sectors and potentially earning more revenue.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:25 am

I’m flying to TFS for my first holiday of the year in July so I’m hoping they’ll have an A321 on the flight, as much as I love the 757 I’ve still never flown on a A320 family plane.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Sat Feb 01, 2020 10:59 am

B757236GT wrote:
Nickd92 wrote:

Wheres your rumour that the 757-200 is going by S21?


I suppose only time will tell but i think it is clear that the 757 will be on the way out soon so get yer cameras out as with the TUI 757s also going the 757 in pax configuration will be a rare thing!


TUI’s 75s will be around a while longer, with the MAX groundings their leases have been extended. There’s even two that were sent for freighter conversion that will be brought back into the fleet.
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:22 am

Jethros has added that ex Condor plane D-ATCD (the one with the "I love Sentido" Livery) has been registered as G-HLYF. It has flown to BOH from Shannon for a repaint
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:30 am

Jet2 do not seem worried about commonalty . It's more about right size and price . They got a great deal on the 800s and the 300s cost very little . This has worked well as they don't seem to utilise their fleet as much as other airlines. A lot of the flying is in the middle of the day which is great for pax and as long as your aircraft crew costs are cheap it works .

I wonder though with the max issue whether leasing in aircraft at higher rates is going to drive up their cost base. Over expansion could be a bit dangerous if they are not carefull.
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:42 pm

f4f3a wrote:
Jet2 do not seem worried about commonalty . It's more about right size and price . They got a great deal on the 800s and the 300s cost very little . This has worked well as they don't seem to utilise their fleet as much as other airlines. A lot of the flying is in the middle of the day which is great for pax and as long as your aircraft crew costs are cheap it works .

I wonder though with the max issue whether leasing in aircraft at higher rates is going to drive up their cost base. Over expansion could be a bit dangerous if they are not carefull.


I think each aircraft does 4 flights a day, to and from a bucket and spade destination and then another later on in the day.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:06 pm

f4f3a wrote:
Jet2 do not seem worried about commonalty . It's more about right size and price . They got a great deal on the 800s and the 300s cost very little . This has worked well as they don't seem to utilise their fleet as much as other airlines. A lot of the flying is in the middle of the day which is great for pax and as long as your aircraft crew costs are cheap it works .

I wonder though with the max issue whether leasing in aircraft at higher rates is going to drive up their cost base. Over expansion could be a bit dangerous if they are not carefull.



They are very clever with their expansion.

A lot of it is done through a filter effect. A extra A332 at MAN where they know they can fill it, frees up a 757 and a 737-800, the 757 can be used to up-gauge a 737-800 route, freeing up a 2nd 737-800. These can then be used to up-gauge 737-300 routes or open new routes.

It is not a case of leasing in a lot of aircraft that they can't fill. It is being clever and precise with the aircraft your are getting in and where you use them
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:47 pm

AAMDanny wrote:
Not replying to anyone in particular, but picking up on some questions raised. I highly doubt we would see Jet2 switch to becoming an all Airbus operator within the next 10 years, they have invested in their 737-800's along with a bunch of fresh factory build frames. The Dart group also own a number of the B738's which are leased to Jet2 so as a type the B738 is pretty much hard wired in.

However, their fleet size is now big enough to have a B73x and a A32x fleet working side by side. 737's for the bread and butter routes and 321's for the short-haul that warrants the capacity uplift, and 330's for the routes that require an even bigger uplift in capacity.

Perhaps in 10 years plus Jet2 might be in a position to bargain between Airbus and Boeing for a single type to replace their fleet but their strategy has worked thus far with a small subfleet of B757's so why not with a small subfleet of Airbus A32x's (the A330s are piloted by AirTanker pilots)

Will the 330's be flying to Florida, Caribbean and Mexico.... possibly as the gap in the market is there but why use a A330 doing x2 long-haul sectors in 24hours where it could be doing x4 sectors and potentially earning more revenue.


Stranger things have happened just look at easyJet. I personally can see quite a number of A321's for Jet2, based at BHX MAN and STN operating high volume frequent routes in both the summer and winter seasons (mainly Canaries in winter) with them possibly based in LBA too (NEO if they went there) and further north (GLA to backfill the TC loss capacity). I think the max was looked at and getting very serious considerations however they've now suspend any further negations etc with Boeing until it is solved and probably been flying for a couple of years. I suspect the if Boeing was to reopen the 737-800 line, jet2 would be there without a doubt to get a considerable amount of discounted brand new airframes to allow growth from most bases.

Who's to say what's coming with Jet2? They keep on expanding. I foresee that 2021 will not be any new destinations, however new routes from existing bases, growth on routes etc will continue as the current trend. Therefore an order must be coming soon. They clearly have the demand now to fill the BRS/CWL markets as there final pin for UK coverage and the only way too do that is to have consistent deliveries of new aircraft for a set period of time.

Long haul is a matter of time imho.
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:01 pm

Nickd92 wrote:

Stranger things have happened just look at easyJet. I personally can see quite a number of A321's for Jet2, based at BHX MAN and STN operating high volume frequent routes in both the summer and winter seasons (mainly Canaries in winter) with them possibly based in LBA too (NEO if they went there) and further north (GLA to backfill the TC loss capacity). I think the max was looked at and getting very serious considerations however they've now suspend any further negations etc with Boeing until it is solved and probably been flying for a couple of years. I suspect the if Boeing was to reopen the 737-800 line, jet2 would be there without a doubt to get a considerable amount of discounted brand new airframes to allow growth from most bases.

Who's to say what's coming with Jet2? They keep on expanding. I foresee that 2021 will not be any new destinations, however new routes from existing bases, growth on routes etc will continue as the current trend. Therefore an order must be coming soon. They clearly have the demand now to fill the BRS/CWL markets as there final pin for UK coverage and the only way too do that is to have consistent deliveries of new aircraft for a set period of time.

Long haul is a matter of time imho.


As much as i would love to see them at Bristol i cant see them here. Its fortress orange now and although Thomas Cook and BMI regional have disappeared and Ryanair have trimmed their operations, which has released much needed stand space, Easyjet have responded by upgrading more flights to A320 and introducing the A321. I also cant see them at Cardiff as its not a big market and although BMI baby did OK but i cant see there is the demand to support a Jet2 operation especially now the bridge toll has gone.

Of course i could be wrong.....
 
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Re: Is Jet2 acquiring A321's?

Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:27 pm

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As much as i would love to see them at Bristol i cant see them here. Its fortress orange now and although Thomas Cook and BMI regional have disappeared and Ryanair have trimmed their operations, which has released much needed stand space, Easyjet have responded by upgrading more flights to A320 and introducing the A321. I also cant see them at Cardiff as its not a big market and although BMI baby did OK but i cant see there is the demand to support a Jet2 operation especially now the bridge toll has gone.

Of course i could be wrong.....


STN was a bigger fortress for Ryanair and look what happened. Space is limited and thats probably all thats the limiting factor along with no aircraft on order.
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:52 pm

I think Ryanair and Jet2 are far enough apart that they can work together. On the other hand i would class Easyjet as a level above Ryanair but not quite at Jet2s level which dilutes the difference somewhat hence why i think they would struggle against the big orange at Bristol. In terms of stand space Bristol could more than handle Jet2 if they wanted to come in but i have to say the airport has gone downhill badly in terms of its customer experience and i will now quite happily travel 100 miles to fly with Jet2 or even Tui, even though i live 3 miles away from Bristol airport as the crow flies.

As i said i'd love them to come as i tend to fly with them from Birmingham but i just cant see it happening. I would wonder if they would try Cardiff instead and see if they could get funding from the Welsh government and try what they did at Leeds/Bradford and see if it works in Cardiff.
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:01 pm

The first photos of the first full-liveried A321 are now out and I have to say it looks pretty good! I bet Jet2 are pleased they held off on a MAX order at this point. It will be interesting to see if they like the performance of their first in-house (aka non ACMI lease) Airbus narrowbody and if the neo could become a real competitor for any future orders. https://twitter.com/airportnewsMAN/status/1226939321665703936
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:27 pm

The red-silver livery is much more attractive
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:16 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
The first photos of the first full-liveried A321 are now out and I have to say it looks pretty good! I bet Jet2 are pleased they held off on a MAX order at this point. It will be interesting to see if they like the performance of their first in-house (aka non ACMI lease) Airbus narrowbody and if the neo could become a real competitor for any future orders. https://twitter.com/airportnewsMAN/status/1226939321665703936

Nice to finally see, though I wish they’d done it in the orange and silver livery, it looks better on the longer aircraft.

I wonder if they’ll use this for training flights etc now and possibly retrain some 757 pilots to work alongside the ex-TCX pilots?
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:18 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
The red-silver livery is much more attractive


Are they operating both liveries concurrently or are they transitioning from one to the other?
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:23 pm

I was hoping to be able to fly to TFS on a new A321 on 18th July but it looks like it will be a 737-800 from a seating plan, 33 rows but the wing root starts at row 9-10.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:07 pm

MCTSET wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
The red-silver livery is much more attractive


Are they operating both liveries concurrently or are they transitioning from one to the other?

Operating a mix of both. One for the flight only side and the other obviously for the holiday side. It does not have any effect of what scheme fly's where though.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:09 pm

MCTSET wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
The red-silver livery is much more attractive


Are they operating both liveries concurrently or are they transitioning from one to the other?


They’re operating both but the 7 ex TCX group planes will all be in holidays livery. The silver and red will be a Boeing only livery it seems. There was also talk of one of the 330’s getting full holidays livery but whether that will happen it remains to be seen
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:59 am

TheWorm123 wrote:
I was hoping to be able to fly to TFS on a new A321 on 18th July but it looks like it will be a 737-800 from a seating plan, 33 rows but the wing root starts at row 9-10.


I am totally confused - how many seats does have the A321 for Jet2?! And is Jet2 sub-leasing any other A321 this summer?!

I was thinking to fly to SKG this summer - but there are two seatmaps which look booth like an A321... :confused:
One seatmap with exits in rows 11/12 and 26/27 with total 39 rows and one with exits in row 9/10 and 24/25 with total 37 rows - any idea which of these is the Jet2 A321?!
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:34 am

debonair wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
I was hoping to be able to fly to TFS on a new A321 on 18th July but it looks like it will be a 737-800 from a seating plan, 33 rows but the wing root starts at row 9-10.


I am totally confused - how many seats does have the A321 for Jet2?! And is Jet2 sub-leasing any other A321 this summer?!

I was thinking to fly to SKG this summer - but there are two seatmaps which look booth like an A321... :confused:
One seatmap with exits in rows 11/12 and 26/27 with total 39 rows and one with exits in row 9/10 and 24/25 with total 37 rows - any idea which of these is the Jet2 A321?!


Planespotters.net is showing Jet2 due to have 13 A321s 'delivered', with one already in the fleet. These 13 are a mix of 'normal' leases on former Thomas Cook A321s and seasonal/ACMI leases (aka where the frame is only with the airline over the peak season, from an airline like SmartLynx).

The former Thomas Cook A321s should all 220 seats I believe, though I'm not sure if Jet2 will end up re-configuring. Looking at online seat maps, the former Thomas Cook planes have exit rows on 11 and 26, with 37 full rows and 2 extra seats on a 38th row opposite one of the toilets. Just to confuse matters, Thomas Cook's A321s weren't all the same as they had a mix of frames from different past owners, orders and lessors. Contrary to some of the other messages not all of the A321s for Jet2 are coming from Thomas Cook, there's some ex Niki, AirBerlin and Condor planes in there too.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:43 pm

debonair wrote:
TheWorm123 wrote:
I was hoping to be able to fly to TFS on a new A321 on 18th July but it looks like it will be a 737-800 from a seating plan, 33 rows but the wing root starts at row 9-10.


I am totally confused - how many seats does have the A321 for Jet2?! And is Jet2 sub-leasing any other A321 this summer?!

I was thinking to fly to SKG this summer - but there are two seatmaps which look booth like an A321... :confused:
One seatmap with exits in rows 11/12 and 26/27 with total 39 rows and one with exits in row 9/10 and 24/25 with total 37 rows - any idea which of these is the Jet2 A321?!

The seating plan I used was from SeatingGuru but it may have been a leased A321, I thought the layout would be a standard Jet2 layout as they do like to install their own seats on leased planes. That seatmap showed 33 rows the same as the 737-800 which of course can’t be right, I made my deduction based upon where the wing starts on the Jet2 website seat plan and SeatingGuru but only the 737 matched.

But to confuse me even more I can’t see them using a 737-800 to TFS (one of the most popular destinations from MAN) in mid summer when demand is high enough to see even A330’s on the route :hissyfit:.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:13 pm

738 has 33 rows (33x6=198 198-6(no row 13)-3(no 1DEF)=189 seats.
321’s will have 39 rows with 220 seats, except for the Titan ones at STN which will have 37 rows with 218 seats.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:25 am

BasilFawlty wrote:
738 has 33 rows (33x6=198 198-6(no row 13)-3(no 1DEF)=189 seats.
321’s will have 39 rows with 220 seats, except for the Titan ones at STN which will have 37 rows with 218 seats.

Thanks for the info, looks like I’m going on a 737 then which will be a first.
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:53 am

Wallsendmag wrote:
MCTSET wrote:
Also what is jet2 latest livery the grey and red one or the blue and white? Much prefer the red and grey.

Both are current, new additions to the fleet are painted in one or the other. Each one represents a different branch of the company (DART Group).
Red & Grey = Jet2.com (airline)
White & Blue = Jet2 Holidays (Tour Operator & package holiday provider)

Technically the White & Blue would be "the latest" as Jet2 holidays didn't arrive until 2007. But then that would depend on which tweaks to the made to the 'original' 2002 Jet2.com red&grey scheme you'd consider a "new livery" too.
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:28 pm

OE-IDP (ex G-TDCP) is at LCQ/KLCQ in Florida for repaint according to Jethros.
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:55 am

G-HLYF is painted. I like it, shame we won’t get to see one in the Red/Silver Jet2.Com livery.


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Sat Feb 15, 2020 2:08 pm

valefan16 wrote:
Jet2 are outstanding, we mostly book with them now if going on a European holiday. Some old jets but even the 733s look immaculate inside and out. Must have some great engineering staff as they are well looked after.

321s should serve them well and I wonder if they will soon start to look at longer haul markets now TCX are gone such as Mexico and Florida.

Customer service is immense and decent options from Northern and Central UK airports.

Likewise. I flew Edinburgh-Pula on a 738 with them last summer and it's one of the best airline experiences I've had, both for customer service and the condition and upkeep of the aircraft.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:32 am

Any ideas when G-HYLF is going into revenue service? Or are they going to be training 757 pilots etc.
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:03 pm

All A321’s have now have G regs:
G-HLYA
G-HLYB
G-HLYC
G-HLYD
G-HLYE
G-HLYF
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:18 pm

They could have done with them yesterday. I'm out in Tenerife at the moment and i counted 22 of their fleet at TFS yesterday afternoon. In fact it was pretty much park wherever there is a space there yesterday as at one point there were 52 A/C on the ground around 3pm which is by the far the busiest i have ever seen. Obviously all extras i would assume are to cover the weekend flights as they also cancelled all ops on Monday which was weird as everyone else operated as normal. Any idea which ones are which as i can only find reference to the first three. Being G-TCDD, G-TCDP and D-ATCE of Condor. I know two are ex Monarch Cook. Also anyone know of the significance of HLY for the registrations?
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:34 pm

B757236GT wrote:
They could have done with them yesterday. I'm out in Tenerife at the moment and i counted 22 of their fleet at TFS yesterday afternoon. In fact it was pretty much park wherever there is a space there yesterday as at one point there were 52 A/C on the ground around 3pm which is by the far the busiest i have ever seen. Obviously all extras i would assume are to cover the weekend flights as they also cancelled all ops on Monday which was weird as everyone else operated as normal. Any idea which ones are which as i can only find reference to the first three. Being G-TCDD, G-TCDP and D-ATCE of Condor. I know two are ex Monarch Cook. Also anyone know of the significance of HLY for the registrations?


I think the "HLY" stands for HoLidaYs as in their package holiday brand Jet2Holidays. If you look closely at the other registrations Jet2 have used over the years (CEL, GDF, JZ, LS), they all mean something.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:43 pm

B757236GT wrote:
They could have done with them yesterday. I'm out in Tenerife at the moment and i counted 22 of their fleet at TFS yesterday afternoon. In fact it was pretty much park wherever there is a space there yesterday as at one point there were 52 A/C on the ground around 3pm which is by the far the busiest i have ever seen. Obviously all extras i would assume are to cover the weekend flights as they also cancelled all ops on Monday which was weird as everyone else operated as normal. Any idea which ones are which as i can only find reference to the first three. Being G-TCDD, G-TCDP and D-ATCE of Condor. I know two are ex Monarch Cook. Also anyone know of the significance of HLY for the registrations?

HLY = Holiday

just like the JZH batch of 737s are JZH = J2H = Jet2Holidays.

The original G-CEL* 733 fleet were Channel Express Limited

It's a something and nothing practice. Just as bit of fun.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:58 pm

I really don’t like their dual livery strategy. It’s messy and one is much nicer than the other. Maybe if they had only a handful in the holiday scheme it would be ok, but when they seem to be running at least 50/50 it gets confusing. The red and grey is a stunning livery and if the 757 is anything to go by would look fantastic on the 321. The holidays livery is a lot less striking despite the bright colour explosion on the tail, has awkward title placement and is a carbon copy of allegiant.
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:53 pm

a320fan wrote:
I really don’t like their dual livery strategy. It’s messy and one is much nicer than the other. Maybe if they had only a handful in the holiday scheme it would be ok, but when they seem to be running at least 50/50 it gets confusing. The red and grey is a stunning livery and if the 757 is anything to go by would look fantastic on the 321. The holidays livery is a lot less striking despite the bright colour explosion on the tail, has awkward title placement and is a carbon copy of allegiant.


That's because Jet2 just carried on using it after they borrowed a few Allegiant 757s!
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 3:12 pm

The 757 will outlive us all! D'you hear? ALL of us ....ha ha ha..(disappears laughing maniacally..) lol
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:47 pm

B757236GT wrote:
They could have done with them yesterday. I'm out in Tenerife at the moment and i counted 22 of their fleet at TFS yesterday afternoon. In fact it was pretty much park wherever there is a space there yesterday as at one point there were 52 A/C on the ground around 3pm which is by the far the busiest i have ever seen. Obviously all extras i would assume are to cover the weekend flights as they also cancelled all ops on Monday which was weird as everyone else operated as normal. Any idea which ones are which as i can only find reference to the first three. Being G-TCDD, G-TCDP and D-ATCE of Condor. I know two are ex Monarch Cook. Also anyone know of the significance of HLY for the registrations?


All the ex monarch cook ones are going to JetBlue. All the Jet2 ones are ex TCX group, 5 ex UK and 2 ex DE
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:57 am

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All the ex monarch cook ones are going to JetBlue. All the Jet2 ones are ex TCX group, 5 ex UK and 2 ex DE


Indeed i stand corrected. I thought initially they were taking on two of them. Looking at Jethros it looks like they will be operating 15 A321s this year. 7 owned and 8 chartered in. Titan are starting with 4 A321s however looks like one of the Titan 757s is being replaced with a Hifly A321 during the middle of the summer. Also according to Jethros one of the A321 is now at MAN so i assume its visible somewhere but no photos in the database yet from what i can find.
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:27 am

B757236GT wrote:
azz767 wrote:

All the ex monarch cook ones are going to JetBlue. All the Jet2 ones are ex TCX group, 5 ex UK and 2 ex DE


Indeed i stand corrected. I thought initially they were taking on two of them. Looking at Jethros it looks like they will be operating 15 A321s this year. 7 owned and 8 chartered in. Titan are starting with 4 A321s however looks like one of the Titan 757s is being replaced with a Hifly A321 during the middle of the summer. Also according to Jethros one of the A321 is now at MAN so i assume its visible somewhere but no photos in the database yet from what i can find.



Literally scroll up the thread about 10 posts and you'll see a photo of it. Alternatively visit https://www.tasmanchester.com/ 4th picture down is a picture of it just after it landed at MAN
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:28 am

B757236GT wrote:
azz767 wrote:

All the ex monarch cook ones are going to JetBlue. All the Jet2 ones are ex TCX group, 5 ex UK and 2 ex DE


Indeed i stand corrected. I thought initially they were taking on two of them. Looking at Jethros it looks like they will be operating 15 A321s this year. 7 owned and 8 chartered in. Titan are starting with 4 A321s however looks like one of the Titan 757s is being replaced with a Hifly A321 during the middle of the summer. Also according to Jethros one of the A321 is now at MAN so i assume its visible somewhere but no photos in the database yet from what i can find.


G-HLYF was the first painted and is landed at MAN:

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Jet2-Ho ... SL/5886761

First bird painted might mean it’s being to train flight attendants or ground crews before entering revenue service. There is zero doubt it definitely will be in service before Summer though.
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:03 pm

Ah right i searched for Jet2 and its under Jet2 holidays on the search. Must make a note of that!
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:53 pm

a320fan wrote:
I really don’t like their dual livery strategy. It’s messy and one is much nicer than the other. Maybe if they had only a handful in the holiday scheme it would be ok, but when they seem to be running at least 50/50 it gets confusing. The red and grey is a stunning livery and if the 757 is anything to go by would look fantastic on the 321. The holidays livery is a lot less striking despite the bright colour explosion on the tail, has awkward title placement and is a carbon copy of allegiant.


Who is it messy for? Aviation enthusiasts?

It's not confusing in the airline - i have yet, apart from one year, to see aircrafts flying around with wrong coloured nose cones, engine cowlings, tails, winglets on board. They always have the correct livery on board in spite of any replacements etc.

It's near allegiant but not the full carbon copy.
 
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Re: Updated: Jet2 acquiring A321's

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:19 pm

Airbus A321 -211 6056 G-HLYB Jet2 ferried 20-21mar20 LCQ-BGR-SNN, old G-reg on lease from Air Transat ex G-TCDE

Boeing 737 ‑377(QC) 23662 1316 G-CELY Jet2 ferried 23mar20 LBA-EGBP, for part-out & scrap ex N662DG

Boeing 757 -236 24397 221 G-LSAD Jet2 ferried 23mar20 BHX-EGBP, for part-out & scrap ex SX-BLW

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