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F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:07 am

I have just heard from this Instagram User (https://www.instagram.com/p/B7w840th9ZD ... vxw1nxudea) that F9 is announcing new routes next week. Any thoughts on what the new routes could be?
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:11 am

Dartboard time everyone!
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:17 am

Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:30 am

I’ve heard from the Official F9 Thread that rumors are spreading about the fact that F9 is returning to ILG. Do you think F9 is returning to Delaware? Because I think it’s about time they do so.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:32 am

Iggy500 wrote:
I’ve heard from the Official F9 Thread that rumors are spreading about the fact that F9 is returning to ILG. Do you think F9 is returning to Delaware? Because I think it’s about time they do so.


https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/01 ... ew-castle/

Frontier is announcing flights from Wilmington, DE on Tuesday
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:34 am

Iggy500 wrote:
I’ve heard from the Official F9 Thread that rumors are spreading about the fact that F9 is returning to ILG. Do you think F9 is returning to Delaware? Because I think it’s about time they do so.


https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/01 ... ew-castle/

Frontier is announcing flights from Wilmington, DE on Tuesday[/quote]

Well, we’ve got one city down. But there has to be more than just ILG.

(Sorry if it looks like I was copying your comment down, just having trouble editing my post)
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:51 am

Iggy500 wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
I’ve heard from the Official F9 Thread that rumors are spreading about the fact that F9 is returning to ILG. Do you think F9 is returning to Delaware? Because I think it’s about time they do so.


https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/01 ... ew-castle/

Frontier is announcing flights from Wilmington, DE on Tuesday


Well, we’ve got one city down. But there has to be more than just ILG.

(Sorry if it looks like I was copying your comment down, just having trouble editing my post)[/quote]

I believe there was a rumor earlier about AVL announcing new service this coming week; F9 adding a couple of routes there wouldn't surprise me at all.

*Edit* Sorry about the quotes being messed up, I don't know how to fix that.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:55 am

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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:56 am

avtcle wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
I’ve heard from the Official F9 Thread that rumors are spreading about the fact that F9 is returning to ILG. Do you think F9 is returning to Delaware? Because I think it’s about time they do so.


https://delawarebusinessnow.com/2020/01 ... ew-castle/

Frontier is announcing flights from Wilmington, DE on Tuesday


Well, now we know the date of the announcement. Also, here’s my “wishlist”:

New Cities:
LIR
SJO
SXM
KIN

New Routes:
DEN-LIR
ORD-LIR
MIA-LIR
DEN-SJO
MIA-SJO
PHL-SXM
MIA-SXM
PHL-KIN
MIA-KIN
MIA-MBJ
ORD-MBJ
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:58 am

For BTV both denver and Orlando seem to have worked really well. Wonder if they would consider Miami or something in Florida. Even once a week to Vegas could work.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:03 am

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Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley

I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:12 am

randyh3253 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley

I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


If Allegiant flies out of GSP, TYS, and AVL, why can’t Frontier?

Could LAS work? Or even competing against Allegiant on DEN?
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:14 am

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Pretty soon, F9 will have to serve more than just IND in Indiana. Now, this doesn’t mean that F9 should ignore IND. Far from it - IND is a growth airport, especially given the growth in the Indianapolis area itself. You don’t see IND running ads in CVG, FWA, or SDF anymore (they did in the past) - the focus is now on meeting Indy’s rapid growth and that alone.

As for F9: FWA isn’t the only choice. They did try SBN before they became a ULCC, so that may be an option too. EVV has less G4 service than similar cities. And don’t forget the oddball airports on the dartboard - in Indiana, this means HUF, LAF, GYY, and such (the last one could also be a third Chicagoland airport, fourth if MKE is factored in, for F9).


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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:17 am

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Dartboard time everyone!

And of course, which old darts will they be pulling out of the board?
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:47 am

F9 might announce DEN-RIC nonstop service on Tuesday since DEN-RIC is one of the top domestic routes out of DEN that isn't currently served by F9.

I also had previously mentioned that RIC had more demand to DEN in Q3 2019 than a few markets that F9 recently pulled out of such as BHM, LFT, MOB/BFM, and TYR.

Here are the PDEW's of DEN-RIC/BHM/LFT/MOB/BFM/TYR in Q3 2019:
DEN-RIC - 132
DEN-BHM - 111
DEN-MOB/BFM - 45
DEN-LFT - 33
DEN-TYR - 21

DEN-RIC nonstop service on F9 is also more likely to stick than DEN-BHM, DEN-LFT, DEN-BFM, or DEN-TYR due to RIC already having more demand to DEN than BHM, LFT, BFM, or TYR did. F9 will also still be serving DEN nonstop from a few East Coast markets that are smaller than RIC in Summer 2020.

Here are the PDEW's of some other top routes out of DEN to destinations not currently served by F9:
DEN-AVL - 87
DEN-MAF - 71
DEN-ROC - 71
DEN-EUG - 62
DEN-RDM - 59
DEN-DRO - 56
DEN-MFR - 53
DEN-TVC - 51

F9 re-adding DEN-EUG nonstop service might be a possibility with DEN-EUG being one of the top routes not currently served by F9 and with F9 having re-entered other destinations that it previously pulled out of during the last 3 years.

F9 adding DEN-ROC nonstop service is also a possibility with ROC being one of the largest markets in the U.S. without any nonstop service to DEN on any airline and with DEN-ROC being one of the top routes without any nonstop service to DEN.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:07 am

Still holding out hope that F9 isn't truly cutting PVD down to just 3x weekly MCO flights once the winter flight schedule ends, and that the rest of summer flying will be loaded as part of some larger announcement like this. This may be the last chance to be proven right.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am

CRW-PSP, RDU-TVC, OKC-ABQ, CMH-GEG, LEX-SRQ, FWA-GSP, MSN-MIA, ORF-MSY, AVL-GPT. Or something like that...
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:26 am

My guess, a Chicago expansion with OMA included.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:27 am

jplatts wrote:
F9 might announce DEN-RIC nonstop service on Tuesday since DEN-RIC is one of the top domestic routes out of DEN that isn't currently served by F9.

I also had previously mentioned that RIC had more demand to DEN in Q3 2019 than a few markets that F9 recently pulled out of such as BHM, LFT, MOB/BFM, and TYR.

Here are the PDEW's of DEN-RIC/BHM/LFT/MOB/BFM/TYR in Q3 2019:
DEN-RIC - 132
DEN-BHM - 111
DEN-MOB/BFM - 45
DEN-LFT - 33
DEN-TYR - 21

DEN-RIC nonstop service on F9 is also more likely to stick than DEN-BHM, DEN-LFT, DEN-BFM, or DEN-TYR due to RIC already having more demand to DEN than BHM, LFT, BFM, or TYR did. F9 will also still be serving DEN nonstop from a few East Coast markets that are smaller than RIC in Summer 2020.

Here are the PDEW's of some other top routes out of DEN to destinations not currently served by F9:
DEN-AVL - 87
DEN-MAF - 71
DEN-ROC - 71
DEN-EUG - 62
DEN-RDM - 59
DEN-DRO - 56
DEN-MFR - 53
DEN-TVC - 51

F9 re-adding DEN-EUG nonstop service might be a possibility with DEN-EUG being one of the top routes not currently served by F9 and with F9 having re-entered other destinations that it previously pulled out of during the last 3 years.

F9 adding DEN-ROC nonstop service is also a possibility with ROC being one of the largest markets in the U.S. without any nonstop service to DEN on any airline and with DEN-ROC being one of the top routes without any nonstop service to DEN.


That TYR number makes me LOL everytime I see it. Why they ever thought that would work is beyond me.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:23 am

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Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley


You beat me to it. I would love to see F9 here. The airport director said new routes were going to be announced. I guess right last year about nk coning here, so let’s hope. I’m flying F9 to Vegas from clt, hopefully they’ll add AVL to points west
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:33 pm

Do you guys think F9 will continue to expand in Central America? I’m thinking cities like LIR, SJO, and PTY.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:38 pm

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Do you guys think F9 will continue to expand in Central America? I’m thinking cities like LIR, SJO, and PTY.


We see that from post #10. I think you're wildly optimistic for this round. LIR doesn't get much U.S. service outside of the obvious hubs, really; nor does PTY from the USA except by Copa.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 2:57 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Do you guys think F9 will continue to expand in Central America? I’m thinking cities like LIR, SJO, and PTY.


We see that from post #10. I think you're wildly optimistic for this round. LIR doesn't get much U.S. service outside of the obvious hubs, really; nor does PTY from the USA except by Copa.


I guess my optimism is a bit too much for you lol. Anyways, the reason I'm thinking these cities are a possibility is because F9 has served LIR in the past, and they just announced GUA and SAL, which were completely out of the blue (well, at least for me). So my guess is that F9 will expand in Central America somehow.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:13 pm

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joeblow10 wrote:
Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley


You beat me to it. I would love to see F9 here. The airport director said new routes were going to be announced. I guess right last year about nk coning here, so let’s hope. I’m flying F9 to Vegas from clt, hopefully they’ll add AVL to points west


I would imagine they’ll try DEN, at least during the summer, it seems to do very well for G4. LAS is probably out of the question, but I guess you never know. Florida of course seems like the obvious add as well
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:22 pm

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Ishrion wrote:
Dartboard time everyone!

And of course, which old darts will they be pulling out of the board?

Well ILG would be an old dart. It didn’t last long last time. With there build up at BWI recently, and PHL/TTN strongholds, I’ll be curiously watching this one. Look at MDT up the road they just came back in summer of 18 with three routes and now down to two weekly MCO flights with the new schedule extension.... anymore they just are not a reliable airline to count on, and it seems it doesn’t matter what size city it is. With the recent MIA announcement , how many routes will still be there next year...
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:24 pm

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airtrantpa wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley


You beat me to it. I would love to see F9 here. The airport director said new routes were going to be announced. I guess right last year about nk coning here, so let’s hope. I’m flying F9 to Vegas from clt, hopefully they’ll add AVL to points west


I would imagine they’ll try DEN, at least during the summer, it seems to do very well for G4. LAS is probably out of the question, but I guess you never know. Florida of course seems like the obvious add as well


AVL seems pretty likely for F9. Seeing how well they do with GSP and TYS, I wouldn't be surprised if this happens.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:16 pm

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joeblow10 wrote:
Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley

I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:30 pm

BTV RUMORS have been swirling with F9 for awhile
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:49 pm

Blueknows wrote:
BTV RUMORS have been swirling with F9 for awhile


You mean the BTV-MIA rumor?
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:18 pm

stlgph wrote:
randyh3253 wrote:
joeblow10 wrote:
Somebody posted in the AVL forum that they were planning on announcing next week - which seems right up F9’s alley

I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:37 pm

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stlgph wrote:
randyh3253 wrote:
I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


F9 isn’t WN.

WN gets significant business from people driving from cities as far as four hours away just so they can get the WN “experience”. Many feel that WN has a better product and will go out of their way to fly WN, and I know some here that prefer to fly WN IND-XYZ over AA/DL/G4/UA FWA-XYZ. As Herb Kelleher said, WN “is in the leakage business, not the small airport business”.

F9 and other ULCCs compete on price regardless of airport, not experience. And F9 has the most bare bones product in the sky. It just happens to be that F9 and G4 both have a balanced mix of 100+ large and small airports. For ULCC customers, fare is what matters, not experience, and if the competition is legacies, it really matters. The addition of local airports is a plus.

When G4 started IND, it didn’t hurt their FWA business, and it actually grew at FWA - I don’t think FWA-SRQ would have happened had G4’s IND presence made their FWA presence suffer. Ditto for F9 - they would be able to make FWA work without killing IND, AVL without killing TYS and GSP, and ILM without killing PHL or TTN.


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Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:20 pm

stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
randyh3253 wrote:
I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


Why serve Providence when you serve Boston?
Why serve Hartford when you serve Providence?
Why serve West Palm when you serve Ft Lauderdale?
Why serve Ft Lauderdale when you serve Miami?
Why serve Sarasota when you serve Tampa?
Why serve Oakland when you serve San Francisco?

C'mon here people.......come.......on
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 6:28 pm

stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
randyh3253 wrote:
I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


Unless F9 offers a unique destination, greater frequency, or dramatically lower fares than what G4 (and to a much lesser extent, NK) is offering at AVL, few ULCC passengers in Asheville are driving to GSP or especially TYS (which is two hours from Asheville). The only route that fits that description right now is GSP-LAS and to a lesser degree, DEN from TYS and GSP (since G4 only serves DEN seasonally from AVL).

That being said, I'm not sure where F9 would fit in the AVL market except to DEN and an unserved route like LAS.
 
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:12 pm

stlgph wrote:
stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:

Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


Why serve Providence when you serve Boston?
Why serve Hartford when you serve Providence?
Why serve West Palm when you serve Ft Lauderdale?
Why serve Ft Lauderdale when you serve Miami?
Why serve Sarasota when you serve Tampa?
Why serve Oakland when you serve San Francisco?

C'mon here people.......come.......on

Why serve STL when you serve BLV
Why serve CLT when you serve JQF
Why serve SEA when you serve Bellingham
Why serve PHX when you serve Mesa

Because your low fares stimulate demand for people to drive an hour or more out of their hometowns. Same thing here
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Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:13 pm

It is true that Frontier is an airline you cannot count on being committed to a community that does not use it. They seem to consistently not allow for any significant time for new routes to mature. It is either confirm the bookings or they will be gone before very long. In some cases they did not even start the routes due to minimal advance bookings.

SBN-DEN would seem to me to be worth another shot given the prior attempt. If they do MCO will likely be attached. I expect to see some east-west seasonal summer announcements. In December F9 announced a number of spring routes out of EWR. Perhaps will we see start and frequency information on those routes.

Also with MIA now coming on line as a hub for Frontier it would not surprise me to see a couple of new destinations from there. AA will surely match them, but hey F9 has been successful in PHL which is another AA hub.

Tuesday may be interesting.

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AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:

Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


Unless F9 offers a unique destination, greater frequency, or dramatically lower fares than what G4 (and to a much lesser extent, NK) is offering at AVL, few ULCC passengers in Asheville are driving to GSP or especially TYS (which is two hours from Asheville). The only route that fits that description right now is GSP-LAS and to a lesser degree, DEN from TYS and GSP (since G4 only serves DEN seasonally from AVL).

That being said, I'm not sure where F9 would fit in the AVL market except to DEN and an unserved route like LAS.


I hope they come and announce LAS, I have to drive to CLT to catch a non stop to LAS in march. the fare was 80 bucks each way. AVL is very expensive to fly in and out of, especially when the US3 mainly flies you on RJS, with a few exceptions like one 717 a day to ATL, (which I don't mind because they're ex AirTran birds) I think UA has a A320 to EWR and that's it for mainline on the US3. I was really hoping NK would have made TPA work because I rather fly to TPA than PIE even though I lived in Pinellas county, I prefer TPA.

I think DEN could work on F9 because G4's flight isn't daily, LAS could could work from what I understand the PDEW is there for a flight, but why G4 hasn't started the route is beyond me. so in other words I hope F9 comes to AVL
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:14 pm

^^Oh look, what I said happens actually happens. He/she drives for cheaper fares
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:17 pm

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Providence when you serve Boston?


PVD is more than 60 miles south of BOS, and there are also some travelers in Rhode Island who will avoid flying out of BOS whenever possible due to BOS being located more than 60 miles from PVD.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Hartford when you serve Providence?


BDL is obviously far enough from PVD, BOS, ALB, HPN, and LGA for F9 to serve BDL in addition to PVD, BOS, ALB, and LGA with PVD, BOS, ALB, HPN, and LGA all being more than 75 miles from Downtown Hartford.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve West Palm when you serve Ft Lauderdale?


It makes sense to fly out of PBI instead of FLL if you are coming from places such as West Palm Beach, Palm Beach Gardens, Jupiter, or Port St. Lucie as FLL is located 49 miles south of PBI. On the other hand, it probably makes sense to fly out of FLL from places in southern Palm Beach County such as Boca Raton or Mission Bay that are approximately equidistant from both FLL and PBI.

AA, DL, B6, and G4 are also able to maintain a significant presence at PBI with PBI being far enough from FLL and MIA.

In addition to PBI being far enough from FLL and MIA, there has also been population growth in Palm Beach County, Martin County, and St. Lucie County to support additional flights out of PBI.

F9 re-adding DEN-PBI nonstop service might be a possibility with PBI no longer having any nonstop service to DEN on any airline, with F9 having re-added other nonstop routes out of DEN in the last 3 years, with population growth in Palm Beach County and the Treasure Coast, and with PBI being far enough from FLL and MIA.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Ft Lauderdale when you serve Miami?


FL did serve both MIA and FLL prior to the WN-FL merger, but FL pulled out of MIA in 2012.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Sarasota when you serve Tampa?


While SRQ, TPA, and PIE are all close enough to Bradenton to be a viable option for those traveling to Bradenton, it does make sense for AA, DL, UA, B6, F9, and G4 to serve SRQ due to SRQ serving places south of SRQ, TPA, and PIE such as Sarasota, Siesta Key, and Venice.

G4 is able to make both PIE and SRQ work, even with SRQ's proximity to PIE and St. Petersburg.

FL also served both TPA and SRQ prior to the WN-FL merger, but FL pulled out of SRQ during the WN-FL merger.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Oakland when you serve San Francisco?


While F9 doesn't currently serve OAK, there are a few airlines serving both OAK and SFO in the San Francisco Bay Area, including AS, AA, DL, HA, and WN.

B6 currently serves both OAK and SFO, but will be pulling out of OAK on April 29th.

G4 and NK serve OAK but not SFO or SJC in the San Francisco Bay Area.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:25 pm

stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:
stl07 wrote:
But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


Why serve Providence when you serve Boston?
Why serve Hartford when you serve Providence?
Why serve West Palm when you serve Ft Lauderdale?
Why serve Ft Lauderdale when you serve Miami?
Why serve Sarasota when you serve Tampa?
Why serve Oakland when you serve San Francisco?

C'mon here people.......come.......on

Why serve STL when you serve BLV
Why serve CLT when you serve JQF
Why serve SEA when you serve Bellingham
Why serve PHX when you serve Mesa


Because your low fares stimulate demand for people to drive an hour or more out of their hometowns. Same thing here


Dude, you've now gone off the rails. Do you post just to be posting? Seriously....
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:28 pm

Oh and JPlatts - get on google maps. it's 59.3 miles from Boston to Providence airport.

Can't wait for your 40 page response to that telling me about how United could add service from Providence to Rapid City.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:52 pm

jplatts wrote:
stlgph wrote:
Why serve Providence when you serve Boston?


PVD is more than 60 miles south of BOS, and there are also some travelers in Rhode Island who will avoid flying out of BOS whenever possible due to BOS being located more than 60 miles from PVD.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Hartford when you serve Providence?


BDL is obviously far enough from PVD, BOS, ALB, HPN, and LGA for F9 to serve BDL in addition to PVD, BOS, ALB, and LGA with PVD, BOS, ALB, HPN, and LGA all being more than 75 miles from Downtown Hartford.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve West Palm when you serve Ft Lauderdale?


It makes sense to fly out of PBI instead of FLL if you are coming from places such as West Palm Beach, Palm Beach Gardens, Jupiter, or Port St. Lucie as FLL is located 49 miles south of PBI. On the other hand, it probably makes sense to fly out of FLL from places in southern Palm Beach County such as Boca Raton or Mission Bay that are approximately equidistant from both FLL and PBI.

AA, DL, B6, and G4 are also able to maintain a significant presence at PBI with PBI being far enough from FLL and MIA.

In addition to PBI being far enough from FLL and MIA, there has also been population growth in Palm Beach County, Martin County, and St. Lucie County to support additional flights out of PBI.

F9 re-adding DEN-PBI nonstop service might be a possibility with PBI no longer having any nonstop service to DEN on any airline, with F9 having re-added other nonstop routes out of DEN in the last 3 years, with population growth in Palm Beach County and the Treasure Coast, and with PBI being far enough from FLL and MIA.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Ft Lauderdale when you serve Miami?


FL did serve both MIA and FLL prior to the WN-FL merger, but FL pulled out of MIA in 2012.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Sarasota when you serve Tampa?


While SRQ, TPA, and PIE are all close enough to Bradenton to be a viable option for those traveling to Bradenton, it does make sense for AA, DL, UA, B6, F9, and G4 to serve SRQ due to SRQ serving places south of SRQ, TPA, and PIE such as Sarasota, Siesta Key, and Venice.

G4 is able to make both PIE and SRQ work, even with SRQ's proximity to PIE and St. Petersburg.

FL also served both TPA and SRQ prior to the WN-FL merger, but FL pulled out of SRQ during the WN-FL merger.

stlgph wrote:
Why serve Oakland when you serve San Francisco?


While F9 doesn't currently serve OAK, there are a few airlines serving both OAK and SFO in the San Francisco Bay Area, including AS, AA, DL, HA, and WN.

B6 currently serves both OAK and SFO, but will be pulling out of OAK on April 29th.

G4 and NK serve OAK but not SFO or SJC in the San Francisco Bay Area.


I agree with what you guys are trying to say. This is another good reason why F9 might have a shot at AVL. This also got me thinking: Maybe F9 could do LGB as well. Seeing how LGB and B6 aren’t getting along well, and the airport looking to add slots, this could be a possibility for F9. The airline has served LGB in the past, and if they return to LGB, they could compete with WN on some routes, like LGB-DEN. And like you guys said earlier, adding cities in huge areas like the S.F Bay, L.A, and the Miami Area can make gateways to places that you can reach from cities like SJC, PBI, SRQ, and LGB. Like how Silicon Valley is easier to get to from SJC, and how some South California beaches are easier to get to from LGB.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:55 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:

Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


Unless F9 offers a unique destination, greater frequency, or dramatically lower fares than what G4 (and to a much lesser extent, NK) is offering at AVL, few ULCC passengers in Asheville are driving to GSP or especially TYS (which is two hours from Asheville). The only route that fits that description right now is GSP-LAS and to a lesser degree, DEN from TYS and GSP (since G4 only serves DEN seasonally from AVL).

That being said, I'm not sure where F9 would fit in the AVL market except to DEN and an unserved route like LAS.

Does F9 still fly GSP-LAS? I think it was changed to seasonal and now I can only find it available by connections. I could be wrong though as I have not looked that hard.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:55 pm

Hoping DEN gets some love beyond routes like AVL and SBN. Can they attempt some Caribbean/Latin American destinations from DEN?
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 7:56 pm

I think we should be looking at medium to large cities that only currently have 3 or less of the 5 LCCs (SY, NK, F9, WN, and G4), along with small cities lacking LCCs entirely. Some of these include:

- RIC: currently has G4, WN, and NK, but only about 10% of airport’s total traffic.
- EYW: Does not have an LCC, period. I am unsure if they could make an A320 work into EYW, though. But if AA can make it work on an a319 on a 3 hour flight, then I’m sure that F9 can on a hop to, say, Orlando (similar time AirTran’s flight back in the day on a 737-700).
- DLH: A lot of recent expansion, so it seems like frontier’s type of market. They could use it to replicate what G4 has in St. Cloud.
- ASE: does not have an LCC
- LEX: only has G4
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:09 pm

In regards to AVL and F9, my personal opinion is it would impact their service at TYS and GSP somewhat. F9 has operated at TYS since 2011 (prior to transforming into an ULCC) and still just offers DEN and seasonal MCO with just a handful of flights a week. So I certainly would not say they have been incredibly successful here. I have flown them numerous times and have met countless people flying DEN-TYS heading to Asheville. I also know of many examples of people flying outbound G4 at TYS only to do return to AVL because the flight time/day better suits them at AVL. There is definitely some market overlap. The Asheville market is getting national attention from a tourism perspective, and we see that with regular adds in enilria’s thread. I suspect F9 will test this soon and potentially as early as next week if the rumors are true. We will then have to wait to see the impact on F9 service at neighboring airports.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:18 pm

TYSflyer wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

Unless F9 offers a unique destination, greater frequency, or dramatically lower fares than what G4 (and to a much lesser extent, NK) is offering at AVL, few ULCC passengers in Asheville are driving to GSP or especially TYS (which is two hours from Asheville). The only route that fits that description right now is GSP-LAS and to a lesser degree, DEN from TYS and GSP (since G4 only serves DEN seasonally from AVL).

That being said, I'm not sure where F9 would fit in the AVL market except to DEN and an unserved route like LAS.

Does F9 still fly GSP-LAS? I think it was changed to seasonal and now I can only find it available by connections. I could be wrong though as I have not looked that hard.


Yes, it was seasonal last summer. Perhaps it's not returning for this year.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:23 pm

I'm surprised no one has mentioned CLE yet, it's a strong and growing market for F9. I could see them poking the UA bear by entering IAH or LAX, heck maybe scrounge up a few weekly slots at LGA. Return to PDX? A summer vacation destination such as PWM?
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:24 pm

What are the largest airports without service to DEN. I am guessing LEX SBN and FWA all are up there.

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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:25 pm

Well, since we are playing this game, these two confuse the hell out of me:

Why serve PIE when you already serve TPA? 15-20 miles
Why serve PGD when you already serve RSW? 30 miles
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