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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:31 pm

ncflyer wrote:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned CLE yet, it's a strong and growing market for F9. I could see them poking the UA bear by entering IAH or LAX, heck maybe scrounge up a few weekly slots at LGA.


I agree that F9 re-adding CLE-LAX and CLE-IAH nonstop service might be possibilities if there is enough demand for additional nonstop service to LAX and IAH out of CLE.

I do not expect F9 to re-add CLE-LGA nonstop service unless F9 picks up extra slots at LGA as F9 already has plans to use its LGA slots on other routes. However, F9 adding CLE-EWR nonstop service might be a possibility with UA currently being the only airline serving EWR nonstop from CLE.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 8:58 pm

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What are the largest airports without service to DEN. I am guessing LEX SBN and FWA all are up there.


Here are the PDEW's of top domestic routes out of DEN without nonstop service out of DEN (not including recently dropped F9 nonstop routes out of DEN):
DEN-ROC - 71
DEN-PBI - 49
DEN-ILM - 33 (ILM is located in NC, which is not to be confused with ILG, which is located in DE)
DEN-AVP - 29
DEN-CHO - 29
DEN-CHA - 29
DEN-TLH - 26
DEN-ROA - 25
DEN-CAE - 24
DEN-LEX - 21
DEN-CRP - 21

F9 can probably make DEN-ROC nonstop service work (at least on a less-than-daily basis) as ROC has significantly more demand to DEN than most of the other domestic destinations that aren't currently served nonstop from DEN.

F9 re-adding DEN-PBI nonstop service on a less-than-daily basis might be a possibility with DEN-PBI being one of the top routes without any nonstop service out of DEN.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:46 pm

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^^Oh look, what I said happens actually happens. He/she drives for cheaper fares

im not driving for cheaper fares 'im driving because I dont want to fly on a rj
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:49 pm

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^^Oh look, what I said happens actually happens. He/she drives for cheaper fares


im not driving for cheaper fares 'im driving because I dont want to fly on a rj, and my companion doesn't really like flying she's scared crapless of take offs and landings, so the non stop works. I would be happy to pay delta fares, as I prefer legacy over LCC. your sarcasm is moot
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:52 pm

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Pretty soon, F9 will have to serve more than just IND in Indiana. Now, this doesn’t mean that F9 should ignore IND. Far from it - IND is a growth airport, especially given the growth in the Indianapolis area itself. You don’t see IND running ads in CVG, FWA, or SDF anymore (they did in the past) - the focus is now on meeting Indy’s rapid growth and that alone.

As for F9: FWA isn’t the only choice. They did try SBN before they became a ULCC, so that may be an option too. EVV has less G4 service than similar cities. And don’t forget the oddball airports on the dartboard - in Indiana, this means HUF, LAF, GYY, and such (the last one could also be a third Chicagoland airport, fourth if MKE is factored in, for F9).


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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:56 pm

727LOVER wrote:
Well, since we are playing this game, these two confuse the hell out of me:

Why serve PIE when you already serve TPA? 15-20 miles
Why serve PGD when you already serve RSW? 30 miles


IIRC F9 did serve PIE and TPA at the same time. I know their PIE service did not last long at all. I remember dropping a friend off at PIE on my way to work at TPA and saw they had service there and though WTH!
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:24 pm

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stlgph wrote:
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I could be wrong but I dont think we will be announcing service to AVL anytime soon. F9 is already at GSP and TYS. Not to mention anywhere that F9 would fly out of AVL, already has service on G4 and NK.


Your comment makes zero sense. Asheville is very much its own market.

But why announce in AVL when you can get those folks to drive to you with you low fares. It's only like an hourish drive


No BTV-RSW/LAS/RDU/Fll these are PWM routes, but BTV is kinda matching PWM situation. BTV-LAS/RSW would do well
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:38 pm

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CRW-PSP, RDU-TVC, OKC-ABQ, CMH-GEG, LEX-SRQ, FWA-GSP, MSN-MIA, ORF-MSY, AVL-GPT. Or something like that...

Prob the most realistic prediction so far.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:57 pm

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AVL is very expensive to fly in and out of, especially when the US3 mainly flies you on RJS, with a few exceptions like one 717 a day to ATL, (which I don't mind because they're ex AirTran birds) I think UA has a A320 to EWR and that's it for mainline on the US3.


UA ended mainline to EWR last winter when they started IAD-AVL. DL typically uses the 717 on ATL-AVL twice a day except during winter.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:32 pm

With ILG getting service, once again all 50 states will have a commercial airport.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:10 am

I'm hoping that they announce MDT-MIA. The Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area is the remaining piece of the Florida pie that isn't served from MDT. Plus, F9's recent buildup at MIA makes sense for that route too.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:40 am

Perhaps some EWR-based routes?
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:46 am

airtrantpa wrote:
stl07 wrote:
^^Oh look, what I said happens actually happens. He/she drives for cheaper fares


im not driving for cheaper fares 'im driving because I dont want to fly on a rj, and my companion doesn't really like flying she's scared crapless of take offs and landings, so the non stop works. I would be happy to pay delta fares, as I prefer legacy over LCC. your sarcasm is moot

That's funny because you just wrote that you drove for a lower fare in your previous post.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:47 am

stlgph wrote:
stl07 wrote:
stlgph wrote:

Why serve Providence when you serve Boston?
Why serve Hartford when you serve Providence?
Why serve West Palm when you serve Ft Lauderdale?
Why serve Ft Lauderdale when you serve Miami?
Why serve Sarasota when you serve Tampa?
Why serve Oakland when you serve San Francisco?

C'mon here people.......come.......on

Why serve STL when you serve BLV
Why serve CLT when you serve JQF
Why serve SEA when you serve Bellingham
Why serve PHX when you serve Mesa


Because your low fares stimulate demand for people to drive an hour or more out of their hometowns. Same thing here


Dude, you've now gone off the rails. Do you post just to be posting? Seriously....

Ok, then tell me why G4 hasn't also entered SEA, CLT, and STL. Those people shouldn't have to drive far out either.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:54 am

airtrantpa wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Well, since we are playing this game, these two confuse the hell out of me:

Why serve PIE when you already serve TPA? 15-20 miles
Why serve PGD when you already serve RSW? 30 miles


IIRC F9 did serve PIE and TPA at the same time. I know their PIE service did not last long at all. I remember dropping a friend off at PIE on my way to work at TPA and saw they had service there and though WTH!




Well yeah..that's what I'm asking...why in the world?
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:16 am

jdh823 wrote:
Perhaps some EWR-based routes?


Maybe some ORD-based routes as well. Seeing how F9 is expanding its ORD Hub/Focus City, there are a lot of possible routes for F9 to add. Hear me out on this:

ORD-SFO: Currently, there is no Low-Cost Service to SFO from ORD. And yes, I am aware that NK flies ORD-OAK.
ORD-ILG: F9 will most likely resume Chicago-Wilmington service since the cat's already out of the bag for ILG service.
ORD-SRQ: This could happen, since there is no Low-Cost Service to SRQ from ORD.
ORD-ATL: This NEEDS to come back. Seeing how F9 has added new ATL routes to EWR and TPA, it's possible for them to resume this route.

I've also noticed that 2 of F9's ORD routes, specifically ORD-TPA and ORD-MIA, have been changed to year round from seasonal.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:32 am

727LOVER wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Well, since we are playing this game, these two confuse the hell out of me:

Why serve PIE when you already serve TPA? 15-20 miles
Why serve PGD when you already serve RSW? 30 miles


IIRC F9 did serve PIE and TPA at the same time. I know their PIE service did not last long at all. I remember dropping a friend off at PIE on my way to work at TPA and saw they had service there and though WTH!




Well yeah..that's what I'm asking...why in the world?

When flying to the beaches of the Tampa area (Clearwater) you definitely have a convenience factor flying into PIE compared to TPA. PIE is much smaller which makes it easier to navigate (not that TPA is that challenging). You also get to avoid the Howard Frankland Bridge or the Courtney Campbell Causeway, both of which can get pretty congested during rush hour. So for a leisure airline like F9, it would seem that PIE would be preferred by some travelers. Obviously that did not work out as service by F9 to PIE was brief and eventually consolidated back to TPA.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:41 am

TYSflyer wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
airtrantpa wrote:

IIRC F9 did serve PIE and TPA at the same time. I know their PIE service did not last long at all. I remember dropping a friend off at PIE on my way to work at TPA and saw they had service there and though WTH!




Well yeah..that's what I'm asking...why in the world?

When flying to the beaches of the Tampa area (Clearwater) you definitely have a convenience factor flying into PIE compared to TPA. PIE is much smaller which makes it easier to navigate (not that TPA is that challenging). You also get to avoid the Howard Frankland Bridge or the Courtney Campbell Causeway, both of which can get pretty congested during rush hour. So for a leisure airline like F9, it would seem that PIE would be preferred by some travelers. Obviously that did not work out as service by F9 to PIE was brief and eventually consolidated back to TPA.


Another factor into F9's PIE test was caused by ground handling contract disputes.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:03 am

I confident that F9 will show either Charleston or Myrtle Beach some love. So many new people moving to both cities.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:05 am

727LOVER wrote:
Well, since we are playing this game, these two confuse the hell out of me:

Why serve PIE when you already serve TPA? 15-20 miles
Why serve PGD when you already serve RSW? 30 miles


Allegiant is the only airline to serve PDG and only Sunwing has limited service to PIE. So there is no one that services both PIE/TPA and PDG/RSW. The only way, I think that may ever make sense would be if

A. You have limited gate availability at the larger airport and feel that you could still make a decent profit out of the smaller airport there would have to be a couple of destinations to do this with. Also remember costs will be slightly lower due to lower airport costs
B. You notice a large portion of your flyers on a route live closer to the smaller airport and make a bigger profit due to lower costs.

The only issue for me as a passenger would be if I were flying to that airport and had to deal with higher rental car costs. If I was a local or being picked up by friends and family I'd actually prefer flying into the smaller airport.

Speaking of small airports, I think the addition of ILG is good news for TTN as it indicates they are willing to focus on smaller airports. Of course this would need to wait for the new terminal and a Mercer County Freeholder (county owns the airport) says they are pushing to break ground sometime this year. I'm hoping that the new terminal will be started soon so that it has a chance at being a PHL/EWR alternate for Neeleman's new airline ("Moxy"). The A220 gives the airline a big advantage as it can fly to places Frontier cannot with their 320 family (6006ft runway).
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:52 pm

Jerseyguy wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
Well, since we are playing this game, these two confuse the hell out of me:

Why serve PIE when you already serve TPA? 15-20 miles
Why serve PGD when you already serve RSW? 30 miles


Allegiant is the only airline to serve PDG and only Sunwing has limited service to PIE. So there is no one that services both PIE/TPA and PDG/RSW. The only way, I think that may ever make sense would be if

A. You have limited gate availability at the larger airport and feel that you could still make a decent profit out of the smaller airport there would have to be a couple of destinations to do this with. Also remember costs will be slightly lower due to lower airport costs
B. You notice a large portion of your flyers on a route live closer to the smaller airport and make a bigger profit due to lower costs.

The only issue for me as a passenger would be if I were flying to that airport and had to deal with higher rental car costs. If I was a local or being picked up by friends and family I'd actually prefer flying into the smaller airport.

Speaking of small airports, I think the addition of ILG is good news for TTN as it indicates they are willing to focus on smaller airports. Of course this would need to wait for the new terminal and a Mercer County Freeholder (county owns the airport) says they are pushing to break ground sometime this year. I'm hoping that the new terminal will be started soon so that it has a chance at being a PHL/EWR alternate for Neeleman's new airline ("Moxy"). The A220 gives the airline a big advantage as it can fly to places Frontier cannot with their 320 family (6006ft runway).


Well, F9 used to serve both PGD and RSW, and now G4 is entering Boston.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:43 pm

From what I have heard, there is supposed to be a bigger build-up at MIA. It will be F9s gateway to the Caribbean and Latin America. So there will probably be some MIA routes announced.

I would like to see some Canada routes announced beyond YYC.

Maybe they will finally throw a dart at DAB for DAB-EWR (joking but it is F9 so anything could happen with that dartboard of theirs).
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:49 pm

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From what I have heard, there is supposed to be a bigger build-up at MIA. It will be F9s gateway to the Caribbean and Latin America. So there will probably be some MIA routes announced.

I would like to see some Canada routes announced beyond YYC.


I guess I was going somewhere when I thought of LIR and SJO.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:49 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
jdh823 wrote:
Perhaps some EWR-based routes?


Maybe some ORD-based routes as well. Seeing how F9 is expanding its ORD Hub/Focus City, there are a lot of possible routes for F9 to add. Hear me out on this:

ORD-SFO: Currently, there is no Low-Cost Service to SFO from ORD. And yes, I am aware that NK flies ORD-OAK.
ORD-ILG: F9 will most likely resume Chicago-Wilmington service since the cat's already out of the bag for ILG service.
ORD-SRQ: This could happen, since there is no Low-Cost Service to SRQ from ORD.
ORD-ATL: This NEEDS to come back. Seeing how F9 has added new ATL routes to EWR and TPA, it's possible for them to resume this route.

I've also noticed that 2 of F9's ORD routes, specifically ORD-TPA and ORD-MIA, have been changed to year round from seasonal.


I would be surprised if we see much ORD expansion due to the limited gate situation that exists there for F9. Newark has already been announced to connect with ORD later this spring.

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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:55 pm

I'm hoping they already regret their decision to only fly BOS-RDU (5 airlines) instead of PVD (zero)
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:37 pm

Iggy500 wrote:
dabpit wrote:
From what I have heard, there is supposed to be a bigger build-up at MIA. It will be F9s gateway to the Caribbean and Latin America. So there will probably be some MIA routes announced.

I would like to see some Canada routes announced beyond YYC.


I guess I was going somewhere when I thought of LIR and SJO.


Well they have served both previously, good as time as any to return.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:26 pm

Well guys, tomorrow’s the day of the announcement. Will the new routes and cities be on the booking website before the actual announcement or after?
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:49 pm

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I'm hoping they already regret their decision to only fly BOS-RDU (5 airlines) instead of PVD (zero)


Me too, especially given load factor and yields were better in PVD.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:56 pm

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Well, F9 used to serve both PGD and RSW, and now G4 is entering Boston.


Yes, rumor has it that it was partly in retaliation for G4 starting at TTN. When G4 agreed to leave TTN, F9 left PDG.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:03 pm

I can't book anything in Texas and a place like ORD via DEN out of XNA. Makes me think we may see something added at XNA
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:11 pm

I'd like to see F9 challenge NK at DTW. It seems like NK's network structure has changed drastically since changing leadership in Network Planning. It would be interesting to see if F9 would be willing to take a stab at routes like EWR or BDL to DTW where there's enough O & D to fill a ULCC aircraft less than daily. Additionally, it would be interesting to see if F9 is willing to put themselves ahead of NK by adding routes like SRQ, MEM, or SAT to DTW.

Overall, I think RIC and ROC are 2 great markets for F9 (assuming everything is well concerning gate space or fees). One of my first routes that I analyzed was ROC-MCO and how a carrier could go in at 4x weekly. This seems to fit the bill for F9.
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:14 pm

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Iggy500 wrote:
Well, F9 used to serve both PGD and RSW, and now G4 is entering Boston.


Yes, rumor has it that it was partly in retaliation for G4 starting at TTN. When G4 agreed to leave TTN, F9 left PDG.


Are you implying that Frontier and Allegiant are engaging in illegal collusion?
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:23 pm

I hope SAT gets some kind of love with this announcement.
I hear they do fairly well here.
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:29 pm

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Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:30 pm

When at my physical therapy appointment, my therapist (who watches WPTA-DT2 21.2, the local NBC station, for their morning news) said that on their newscast that FWA is having an announcement tomorrow for a new airline, which makes my thoughts... well... accurate?

Needless to say, FWA now does their own ground handling in addition to DGS (DL/UA), Trego-Dugan (G4), and Envoy (AA). However, FWA’s Aero Center focuses on small operations and charters... this has a 2 to 6 flight per week F9 operation written all over it. We’ll see tomorrow.


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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:35 pm

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I hope SAT gets some kind of love with this announcement.
I hear they do fairly well here.


Not sure where you heard that, they cut over a dozen routes from SAT, and were down over 40% yoy from SAT in November
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:47 pm

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When at my physical therapy appointment, my therapist (who watches WPTA-DT2 21.2, the local NBC station, for their morning news) said that on their newscast that FWA is having an announcement tomorrow for a new airline, which makes my thoughts... well... accurate?

Needless to say, FWA now does their own ground handling in addition to DGS (DL/UA), Trego-Dugan (G4), and Envoy (AA). However, FWA’s Aero Center focuses on small operations and charters... this has a 2 to 6 flight per week F9 operation written all over it. We’ll see tomorrow.


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Who knows F9 seems to throw darts at a dartboard for routes. They could return to seasonal SBN-DEN even.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:56 pm

freakyrat wrote:
FWAERJ wrote:
When at my physical therapy appointment, my therapist (who watches WPTA-DT2 21.2, the local NBC station, for their morning news) said that on their newscast that FWA is having an announcement tomorrow for a new airline, which makes my thoughts... well... accurate?

Needless to say, FWA now does their own ground handling in addition to DGS (DL/UA), Trego-Dugan (G4), and Envoy (AA). However, FWA’s Aero Center focuses on small operations and charters... this has a 2 to 6 flight per week F9 operation written all over it. We’ll see tomorrow.


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Who knows F9 seems to throw darts at a dartboard for routes. They could return to seasonal SBN-DEN even.


And SBN, like FWA, has over a decade of ULCC experience with G4. The demographics and traffic flow may be different between the SBN and FWA metros - some parts of the South Bend metro have low income, as does Fort Wayne’s southeast side, but all income groups in both areas have embraced the leisure ULCC.

F9 would do well in SBN in addition to semi-confirmed FWA.


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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:56 pm

F9 has a decent number of routes out of MKE. Any inklings of changes there?
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:49 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Well, F9 used to serve both PGD and RSW, and now G4 is entering Boston.


Yes, rumor has it that it was partly in retaliation for G4 starting at TTN. When G4 agreed to leave TTN, F9 left PDG.


Are you implying that Frontier and Allegiant are engaging in illegal collusion?


I should rephrase that. When G4 announced it was leaving TTN a few days later F9 announced they were done at PDG, F9 retaliated against G4 for coming into their exclusive hub by coming into one of G4s. It was probably F9s plan all along to stay until G4 left. I'm sure the plan was thorougly vetted with their legal department.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:59 am

Iggy500 wrote:
Well guys, tomorrow’s the day of the announcement. Will the new routes and cities be on the booking website before the actual announcement or after?

Currently not bookable (no fares) but flyfrontier.com is showing flights from ILG

to Orlando (MCO) starting May 14
3X Weekly (Sun,Tues,Thur)

F9 1254 MCO 932AM ILG 1158AM A319
F9 1255 ILG 1238PM MCO 313PM A319

This is not a good schedule most people will not want to spend an extra night at a hotel and get up at 5-6am to go home.
Could they be getting subsidies from New Castle County (who owns ILG) or a SCASD grant??


Other destinations that seem likely nonstop based on the pull down menu are
Atlanta
Ft. Myers
Tampa

Chicago IS NOT on the pull down menu.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:47 am

Jerseyguy wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Other destinations that seem likely nonstop based on the pull down menu are
Atlanta
Ft. Myers
Tampa

Chicago IS NOT on the pull down menu.


Seems DEN is pretty likely too, if the pull down menu is accurate (though admittedly, seems like it never is). There’s options like JAC and BZN listed on there and those only connect via DEN currently
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:57 am

joeblow10 wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:
Iggy500 wrote:
Other destinations that seem likely nonstop based on the pull down menu are
Atlanta
Ft. Myers
Tampa

Chicago IS NOT on the pull down menu.


Seems DEN is pretty likely too, if the pull down menu is accurate (though admittedly, seems like it never is). There’s options like JAC and BZN listed on there and those only connect via DEN currently


DEN is now showing flights on the same days as MCO with a connection in MCO (long 5 hour connections), so its possible they will load the nonstop soon. Thats the one thing I am so disappointed in with TTN the runway isn't long enough to fly TTN-DEN (though there have been ferry flights DEN-TTN..I think there was a west coast like SAN-TTN ferry flights when they needed a spare to fly the days routes) but the NIMBYs will never let it happen.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:39 am

Miami is showing a ton of new drop down options. Now most are undoubtedly because of new connecting opportunities opening up, but some that stood out to me as maybe new or resuming markets are Burlington, Buffalo, Providence and Milwaukee, the latter three F9 has served in the past.
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:07 pm

ILG-MCO is now bookable.
 
RL757PVD
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:33 pm

I've found their drop down list to be rather unreliable... much like their service patterns...
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:41 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
I've found their drop down list to be rather unreliable... much like their service patterns...

Yeah there seems to be all sorts of cities on the drop down menu then no dates available?
I think MDT is one of the lowest cities service wise with just two weekly flights to MCO, PVD isn’t too far behind... back to your original statement.
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:55 pm

Is anyone seeing other new routes besides ILG?
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:01 pm

Can someone post what they find??
 
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Re: F9 Announcement Next Week

Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:04 pm

flymco753 wrote:
I'd like to see F9 challenge NK at DTW. It seems like NK's network structure has changed drastically since changing leadership in Network Planning. It would be interesting to see if F9 would be willing to take a stab at routes like EWR or BDL to DTW where there's enough O & D to fill a ULCC aircraft less than daily. Additionally, it would be interesting to see if F9 is willing to put themselves ahead of NK by adding routes like SRQ, MEM, or SAT to DTW.


If your goal was to outline formulas for burning money you have succeeded. DL and UA wouldn't allow F9 to get any traction to EWR, plus there's Spirit and AA to LGA. DTW-SAT volume is weak at 2x DL CR9 - and, IMHO, wouldn't be subject to much fare stimulation - no beaches, nor the Orlando concentration of theme parks. There's little demand DTW-MEM and it's hub-to-ex-hub for DL. (DTW-SRQ might have a prayer - Michigan has demand for cheap seats to Gulf Coast Florida.)

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