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New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:48 pm

New seat renderings for Delta’s upcoming A321neo arrivals.

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https://paxex.aero/2020/01/delta-air-lines-new-first-class-seat-a321neo-fleet/

Looks like more privacy as well as support for resting your head for a nap. Only small critique I’ve seen is it might be tricky to talk to your seat mate if you were traveling with someone! I think they look futuristic.

What do you all think of them? Any thoughts if they’ll be added to other fleets? Would they even fit on an A220 size aircraft, for example?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:53 pm

Not a fan of the head rest area. I get what they are trying to do. But it just doesnt do it for me. Not to mention it is blocking the window.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:53 pm

Nice screens as well
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 5:56 pm

Hard to tell from the pictures, but those seats appear to have significantly less "cushion" than the older types (which has been a trend on many carriers for years). It looks like there's another divider between the seats, I wonder if that folds down or extends.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:04 pm

Definitely futuristic. Not sure I like it, though. The headrest looks like it would be really annoying if I were flying with someone or wanted to look out the window, both of which I do often. But those PTVs look great.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:09 pm

Interesting, look. I think I'd like the headrest/privacy. Leg room looks REALLY tight for domestic F.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:09 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
What do you all think of them


Looks like a great flagship product on their new narrow body. Wish more airlines had a product like that.

One day I hope they call it what it is, business class.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:09 pm

Nice looking seats overall...a few points: I foresee those white "wings" on the aisles being scuffed up over time by boarding pax on their way to the back. A positive about those same white "wings" is the ability to leverage your weight on them if you are at the window and need to get in/out of the seat to use the lav. Usually pax will use the seat in front of them (peeve of mine) but this gives you some other way, perhaps...maybe not.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:23 pm

Kind of annoying if it covers your window, but overall a nice domestic F cabin.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:24 pm

I wonder if the back is fixed at the angle if fully reclined and the actual seat can move from upright to reclined. That could solve part of the issue of talking to your travel partner. Presumably this is in F only?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:29 pm

It looks like everyone still gets one unobstructed window.

RDUDDJI wrote:
Hard to tell from the pictures, but those seats appear to have significantly less "cushion" than the older types (which has been a trend on many carriers for years). It looks like there's another divider between the seats, I wonder if that folds down or extends.

That was my first though as well. Obviously, actually sitting in them will be the ultimate test, but at first glance they appear a bit hard and uncomfortable.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:30 pm

Why is it Western World airlines have such somber, dull, drab, and boring interior color schemes upon their seats.

It is always so refreshing to see some foreign carriers incorporate deep rich reds and teals and other colors and such in their aircraft interiors, especially outside of the US.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:34 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Why is it Western World airlines have such somber, dull, drab, and boring interior color schemes upon their seats.

It is always so refreshing to see some foreign carriers incorporate deep rich reds and teals and other colors and such in their aircraft interiors, especially outside of the US.


Because Americans think those foreign carrier color schemes look somewhere between juvenile and ridiculous. Domestic F seats are occupied by people willing to spend a little money, not prospective riders of the Little Tikes Cozy Coupe.

https://www.littletikes.com/item/612060 ... ion/1.html

The color teal does not belong on an American (the nationality, not the airline) airplane unless you're taking your hooker girlfriend to Las Vegas to celebrate your impending divorce.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:39 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Why is it Western World airlines have such somber, dull, drab, and boring interior color schemes upon their seats.

It is always so refreshing to see some foreign carriers incorporate deep rich reds and teals and other colors and such in their aircraft interiors, especially outside of the US.


Honestly, the most pleasant cabins I have been in were the SAS A340, Singapore A350 and Swiss 777. They all featured variations of brown and dark grey colours. Those colours must have some sort of relaxing effect on the passengers.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:46 pm

Sightseer wrote:
Definitely futuristic. Not sure I like it, though. The headrest looks like it would be really annoying if I were flying with someone or wanted to look out the window, both of which I do often. But those PTVs look great.



Yessss!!! Finally no need for small talk with my neighbor!

In all seriousness, I do like it
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:48 pm

RDUDDJI wrote:
Hard to tell from the pictures, but those seats appear to have significantly less "cushion" than the older types (which has been a trend on many carriers for years). It looks like there's another divider between the seats, I wonder if that folds down or extends.


The cushions may be thinner, but that might not mean much. My last DL trip in F was on a new 739ER, and the seat was still rock hard even though it looked really cushy. I was excited to get upgraded on that redeye, but it didn't quite meet my expectations--it was still a sleepless night. I like the wings on the new seats. I can't sleep without something to lean my head against, and I can never get comfortable or keep a pillow in place with the current seats.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:00 pm

Strange that the IFE screen display is backwards but the “Sky” magazine is shown the correct way around. CGI? If that’s a marketing slide then it’s poor to have mistakes like that.

The brown pyramid thing between the seats looks like it could have a divider that moves forward in the slot at the middle of it. Would be great if so. But normally when there is any kind of divider like that it usually stands slightly proud of the slot when retracted so maybe it doesn’t do that.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:02 pm

Hard to evaluate comfort of the seats but the pitch looks awful!

At first look, I thought this was Delta Comfort+ at best.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:20 pm

Reading the link that was included on OP the seats will incorporate Memory foam, I know Alaska has done that as well with their Ricardo seats in Main Cabin on their Airbus fleet. Of course we have to remember this is just a rendering, and the final product is subject to change, but it does look nice imo.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:28 pm

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Alaska has done that as well with their Ricardo seats in Main Cabin on their Airbus fleet.

Ricardo seats... Thanks for the chuckle. ;-)
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:40 pm

Compare this cabin to the Oasis cabin being installed on AA’s A321 fleet. About as clear a difference as you can possibly illustrate between management styles/ideas.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 7:57 pm

I think these seats will help delta increase upgrades from economy as when you as an economy passenger walk by the seat's wings it gives it an international business class like effect which should entice passengers to upgrade at least on their next trip.

I don't understand why they dont put foot rests on domestic first class but do on international premium economy? I hate not having a foot rest available on a red eye as that helps get in a more comfortable sleeping position.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:02 pm

smflyer wrote:
I don't understand why they dont put foot rests on domestic first class but do on international premium economy? I hate not having a foot rest available on a red eye as that helps get in a more comfortable sleeping position.


Has delta said which flight lengths the a321neo is used for? They have lie flats in some 757s, so is this a domestic configuration/would you ever spend more time in this seat vs a premium select intercontinental?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:05 pm

rrbsztk wrote:
smflyer wrote:
I don't understand why they dont put foot rests on domestic first class but do on international premium economy? I hate not having a foot rest available on a red eye as that helps get in a more comfortable sleeping position.


Has delta said which flight lengths the a321neo is used for? They have lie flats in some 757s, so is this a domestic configuration/would you ever spend more time in this seat vs a premium select intercontinental?


I wouldn't think you'd spend more time on this seat than an premium select seat, but I was just saying it would be a nice feature to have especially on a coast-coast red eye that isn't served by DL's flatbed aircraft.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:46 pm

About time we heard about Delta's NEOs, they've remained relatively silent about them since their order. Anyone know when we should expect to see these enter service?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:50 pm

itripreport wrote:
About time we heard about Delta's NEOs, they've remained relatively silent about them since their order. Anyone know when we should expect to see these enter service?


Delivery slated for Q4 2020 I believe, and EIS Q1 2021.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:58 pm

Not a huge improvement in comfort in my book. The floor attachments are still in the way and the seat armrests look just as hard as they are in Delta One. Also a lot of plastic to mess up with ballpoint pens and bag scuffs. There also seems to be a sacrifice in width. The magazine holders will get all kinds of crud in them. When will we see a truly innovative product in Domestic First that really looks relaxing and comforting? I just don't see the value add here.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:01 pm

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FedexL1011 wrote:
Alaska has done that as well with their Ricardo seats in Main Cabin on their Airbus fleet.

Ricardo seats... Thanks for the chuckle. ;-)


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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:03 pm

Ptvs look great. I hope they reverse the trend and put in more cushioning.

Anyone else think that looks clostrophobic with the seats so close? Interesting idea I am just not sure how it will feel in a window seat? I appreciate that they are trying but look so close
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:14 pm

LHUSA wrote:
Interesting, look. I think I'd like the headrest/privacy. Leg room looks REALLY tight for domestic F.


I was looking at that and wondering if it was really F. Looks pretty low end when it comes to leg room. Domestically the 767 was pretty bad too. Nothing like paying for F and getting a seat in your knees when the person in front of you reclines. If this is as bad as it looks, I will probably avoid the A321neo.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:31 pm

Are the head dividers removable or retractable?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:32 pm

OA412 wrote:
It looks like everyone still gets one unobstructed window.

RDUDDJI wrote:
Hard to tell from the pictures, but those seats appear to have significantly less "cushion" than the older types (which has been a trend on many carriers for years). It looks like there's another divider between the seats, I wonder if that folds down or extends.

That was my first though as well. Obviously, actually sitting in them will be the ultimate test, but at first glance they appear a bit hard and uncomfortable.


Yes but, depending on your seat location, the unobstructed window could be up near the seat in front making it difficult to look outside at all. Plus, I'd like having two windows for taking photos.

Looks like it would be easy to trip over the magazine rack if climbing out from the window seat. Wonder how wide the underseat storage space is. With all of these first and biz seats becoming cocoons with limited width and storage, there are times I'd rather have a coach row all to myself.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:00 pm

I really like them. Delta has made it very clear they are standardizing seat pitch so I am sure it has the same pitch as the CEO and 739. It also appears this is based on the same seat that AS just implemented in their first class which is actually one of the best domestic American first class seats in my opinion. It appears thin but actually feels better than it looks. It appears they designed it to not really block windows.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:01 pm

cschleic wrote:
OA412 wrote:
It looks like everyone still gets one unobstructed window.

RDUDDJI wrote:
Hard to tell from the pictures, but those seats appear to have significantly less "cushion" than the older types (which has been a trend on many carriers for years). It looks like there's another divider between the seats, I wonder if that folds down or extends.

That was my first though as well. Obviously, actually sitting in them will be the ultimate test, but at first glance they appear a bit hard and uncomfortable.


Yes but, depending on your seat location, the unobstructed window could be up near the seat in front making it difficult to look outside at all. Plus, I'd like having two windows for taking photos.

Looks like it would be easy to trip over the magazine rack if climbing out from the window seat. Wonder how wide the underseat storage space is. With all of these first and biz seats becoming cocoons with limited width and storage, there are times I'd rather have a coach row all to myself.


It appears it has extra storage. Looks like it has a laptop storage and the new first class seats have water bottle other storage so I would imagine these would as well. Did delta release these or were they leaked?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:32 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Why is it Western World airlines have such somber, dull, drab, and boring interior color schemes upon their seats.



The color teal does not belong on an American (the nationality, not the airline) airplane unless you're taking your hooker girlfriend to Las Vegas to celebrate your impending divorce.


Really? Air NZ used it for decades and it was never looked at like that. And for that matter didn't Alaska?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:16 pm

The pitch looks tight.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:31 pm

It’s the same pitch as their other domestic first class folks. I think it’s just the one angle. It’s weird that delta hasn’t put an official statement out or more details.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:14 am

This appears to be SEAT rendering, not CABIN rendering, so I am implying this to be examples of the seats themselves and not the distance between them, etc..(?) With that said, I like the seats. Unique U.S. business seat!
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:49 am

GSPSPOT wrote:
FedexL1011 wrote:
Alaska has done that as well with their Ricardo seats in Main Cabin on their Airbus fleet.

Ricardo seats... Thanks for the chuckle. ;-)


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Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:43 am

LawAndOrder wrote:
It’s the same pitch as their other domestic first class folks. I think it’s just the one angle. It’s weird that delta hasn’t put an official statement out or more details.


The current pitch is tight, tighter than almost every other US operator except AA’s Oasis.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:25 am

sxf24 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
It’s the same pitch as their other domestic first class folks. I think it’s just the one angle. It’s weird that delta hasn’t put an official statement out or more details.


The current pitch is tight, tighter than almost every other US operator except AA’s Oasis.


It does look tight. I would've assumed there would be a footrest but there isn't enough room for it. They look cool though.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:52 am

Leg room looks tight, as with all fixed shell sheets, the lack of back recline increases the actual leg room. The cabin looks great. I like the individual feel.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:34 am

zeke wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
What do you all think of them


Looks like a great flagship product on their new narrow body. Wish more airlines had a product like that.

One day I hope they call it what it is, business class.


Look at Euro Business Class and then tell me this should be called Business Class LOL. Light miles ahead of the European Business Class offering.
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:43 am

Wonder what passenger weight / size limits will apply?
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 3:48 am

I'll take a wait and see approach to this, but to me this seems like maybe the "privacy" craze has jumped the shark. From blocking window views to being couple-unfriendly, I'm likely not going to be a fan. This could be a domestic F seat that I actively avoid.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:01 am

Listen do y’all think delta didn’t do seat shows. Have their most loyal customers, influencers to come sit in the seats ahead of the final design. I’m sure they have done their research and it appears their demo has asked for privacy, increased storage but with the same width as before.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:47 am

sxf24 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
It’s the same pitch as their other domestic first class folks. I think it’s just the one angle. It’s weird that delta hasn’t put an official statement out or more details.


The current pitch is tight, tighter than almost every other US operator except AA’s Oasis.

Nearly every first class current seat pitch Delta has is tighter than AA’s Oasis seat pitch. Oasis is spacious compared to current Delta.

Oasis: 37”

Delta:
A319: 35-37”
A320: 36”
A321: 37”
B73G: 35-37”
B738:36-38”
B739: 35-37”
B752: 35-37”
Let’s hope Delta adds some more legroom to their new seat.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:54 am

The design looks great and the added privacy and storage is a great enhancement. Yes, they look tight, but domestic F on all the refurbished DL aircraft is already very, very tight.

As far as color palette, the Cozy Coupe and teal/hooker/divorce references are so over the top, and I totally disagree! I think the U.S. carriers could do so much more with color, either through the hard or soft product. The Posen uniforms (once they get the fabric issues worked out) add a great splash of color, and I think that Posen designed them to go with the neutral background. But especially for carriers with neutral uniforms, I think more innovative design choices would make the product feel much more premium.
 
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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:06 am

JAMBOJET wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
LawAndOrder wrote:
It’s the same pitch as their other domestic first class folks. I think it’s just the one angle. It’s weird that delta hasn’t put an official statement out or more details.


The current pitch is tight, tighter than almost every other US operator except AA’s Oasis.

Nearly every first class current seat pitch Delta has is tighter than AA’s Oasis seat pitch. Oasis is spacious compared to current Delta.

Oasis: 37”

Delta:
A319: 35-37”
A320: 36”
A321: 37”
B73G: 35-37”
B738:36-38”
B739: 35-37”
B752: 35-37”
Let’s hope Delta adds some more legroom to their new seat.


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Re: New Delta First Class Seats - A321neo

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:12 am

they would be nicer if the head bolster's werent so big. They look really nice though, a nice little upgrade from their current domestic F seats.

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