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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:13 pm

Whitehouse is considering banning all Chinese flights to USA

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1222293945734127618?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:16 pm

Perhaps the USA was holding off on restricting flights until it repatriated its citizens from Wuhan.

AP Report:

"NEW: Plane carrying U.S. citizens from virus-hit Wuhan has taken off, en-route to the U.S. - AP"

Anyone see it on flight aware yet?
 
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:25 pm

alaskan9974 wrote:


Must be a very strange atmosphere onboard will pallets of seating and no windows. Where in California is it bound?
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:30 pm

hic787 wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:


Must be a very strange atmosphere onboard will pallets of seating and no windows. Where in California is it bound?

The Wuhan flight this morning according to FlightAware went to SFO, officials have stated this flight has a refueling stop in Anchorage and then onto Ontario, CA.

I am unsure why it did not go direct to California?
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:39 pm

Possible Japanese Evacuation flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/ANA1952/23ae6e9a
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:40 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
What are they US3 gonna do with all the cancelled USA-China flights aircraft? Dump capacity onto USA-Europe??


American needs it for Europe, Oceania, and Latin/South America. Plus, great coverage for the MAX groundings.


Can you lose less by flying a widebody as a substitute for a narrow body than not flying at all? You have to pay the pilots and cabin crew and finance anyway so if you fly 150 pax 1000 miles on a WB, can that be cheaper than leaving the aircraft on the ground?

On a different tack, I wonder if freighters from outside China could fly in with a relief crew, load up and fly out again, avoiding any contact with ground crew. That does assume airports are open and freight can get to the airport.
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:49 pm

alaskan9974 wrote:
Possible Japanese Evacuation flight

https://www.flightradar24.com/ANA1952/23ae6e9a

Confirmed;

A Japanese government-chartered private plane has arrived at #Haneda airport, carrying some 200 Japanese residents from #Wuhan, China., in response to the outbreak of pneumonia caused by a new type of coronavirus. -AP
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:10 am

alaskan9974 wrote:
hic787 wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:


Must be a very strange atmosphere onboard will pallets of seating and no windows. Where in California is it bound?

The Wuhan flight this morning according to FlightAware went to SFO, officials have stated this flight has a refueling stop in Anchorage and then onto Ontario, CA.

I am unsure why it did not go direct to California?


Again, and I REPEAT AGAIN, there is NO flight from Wuhan that went to SFO, period.

CZ659 took off from CAN and landed in SFO, never touching WUH!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cz659

For the umpteenth time, stop spreading BS!
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:35 am

He asked me what measures airlines such as Air France, KLM, Lufthansa, Aeroflot will take that are very strong in China, the loads factor must be on the ground with the jumbos that operate
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Re: United announces China capacity reductions

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:56 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
I know what UA has publicly stated but behind the scenes here at Willis Tower they are talking about a possible FULL suspension of all UA flights to China and Hong Kong till March if the situation continues to get worse.

UA is continuing to work with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and should the situation warrant UA is exploring options to cancel ALL flights to China and Hong Kong till March.

This is not accurate.


Perhaps Scarebus34 you haven't been paying close enough attention here is a news article that came out this evening January 28, 2020.


The Trump administration is reportedly considering a temporary ban on all flights from China to the U.S. in response the fast-spreading coronavirus outbreak.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-we ... =home-page

United is coming up with a contingency plan should the federal government take action. To not have a plan in place would mean UA could potentially strand over 100 crew members in China and Hong Kong and valuable aircraft wouldn't be able to return to the U.S. until the ban was lifted if the government instituted a temporary ban. To not have a plan in place when you know it is a option is ridiculous. UA as well ad DL and AA have to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:21 am

Spoke with my doctor friend who advises the Govt and the TSA. He said all doctors are in 100% in agreement that all travel to and from China should be halted immediately. He said any delay is on the govt to work out logistics and give time for assets a chance to get out. There of course is politics at play etc, etc. Overall everyone was in agreement it sounds like. He admitted all of this response was "way late". Anyone who has worked with the CCP or has first hand experience knows the govt figures are not accurate and big mistakes have been made along the way.

I believe it to be a real mistake for posters to compare this to seasonal flu's. Those suggesting this have no idea the severity of this and what may be in store not just for China but for the rest of the world. The fallout from this may have drastic and wide ranging affects on many areas of are life beyond aviation. Stay safe everyone, god speed....
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:58 am

Johns Hopkins has modeled the outbreak and published their findings at https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov-model/

They believe that as of 26 Jan 2019-nCoV (Wuhan virus) infections in mainland China numbered about 20,000.

Additionally, by looking at complete flight paths, including stopovers, they suggest that the following US airports be considered for enhanced screening and security: Seattle, Washington-Dulles, Newark, Detroit, Boston, Houston, Las Vegas, Dallas Fort Worth and Honolulu.

Finally, the link below also contains graphics for (1) the estimate of imported cases of 2019-nCoV by country, and (2) the 50 airports worldwide most at risk from arriving travelers. Both graphics are as of 26 January. A list of the 50 airports is on Page 5 of this pdf: https://systems.jhu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Gardner-JHU_nCoV-Modeling-Report_Jan-26.pdf

For those interested, Johns Hopkins also publishes a reasonably up-to-date dashboard for the virus at https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

(edited to add the list of 50 airports]
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:03 am

The suggested mortality rate of 3% discussed earlier in the thread seems to be incorrect.
As of yesterday Jan 28th there were 106 confirmed deaths against 4769 confirm cases.
However, if we consider the fact that of those 106 deaths most may have been among those confirmed infections a week earlier on Jan 21th, when 440 cases were confirmed, the death rate may be as high as 25% and we'd be looking at Ebola levels.
That is perhaps excessive, but the death toll and number of infections are rising exponentially, with the death toll so far following the infection rate with a 10 day gap. There isn't enough data yet but better be safe now than sorry later.

Closing China off and containing it in other locations may be the drastic and necessary solution.
Ie everyone everywhere staying home for a month may be the quick pain solution with the smallest impact on the loss of life and economy, including airlines worldwide.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:07 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:
hic787 wrote:

Must be a very strange atmosphere onboard will pallets of seating and no windows. Where in California is it bound?

The Wuhan flight this morning according to FlightAware went to SFO, officials have stated this flight has a refueling stop in Anchorage and then onto Ontario, CA.

I am unsure why it did not go direct to California?


Again, and I REPEAT AGAIN, there is NO flight from Wuhan that went to SFO, period.

CZ659 took off from CAN and landed in SFO, never touching WUH!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cz659

For the umpteenth time, stop spreading BS!


If you clicked the link, it's the Connie 74, not what you're talking about. He prob missed the part you said about CZ659.. Realx.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:13 am

sasd209 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:
The Wuhan flight this morning according to FlightAware went to SFO, officials have stated this flight has a refueling stop in Anchorage and then onto Ontario, CA.

I am unsure why it did not go direct to California?


Again, and I REPEAT AGAIN, there is NO flight from Wuhan that went to SFO, period.

CZ659 took off from CAN and landed in SFO, never touching WUH!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cz659

For the umpteenth time, stop spreading BS!


If you clicked the link, it's the Connie 74, not what you're talking about. He prob missed the part you said about CZ659.. Realx.


It is not that hard to check the flight path of CZ659 is all I am saying...

But yes, the Connie 747 flight would be the US govt charter. Makes sense that it goes to ONT instead of larger airports like LAX also.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:15 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:
hic787 wrote:

Must be a very strange atmosphere onboard will pallets of seating and no windows. Where in California is it bound?

The Wuhan flight this morning according to FlightAware went to SFO, officials have stated this flight has a refueling stop in Anchorage and then onto Ontario, CA.

I am unsure why it did not go direct to California?


Again, and I REPEAT AGAIN, there is NO flight from Wuhan that went to SFO, period.

CZ659 took off from CAN and landed in SFO, never touching WUH!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cz659

For the umpteenth time, stop spreading BS!

Wasn't there a Kalitta Air 744F freighter?
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:25 am

c933103 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:
The Wuhan flight this morning according to FlightAware went to SFO, officials have stated this flight has a refueling stop in Anchorage and then onto Ontario, CA.

I am unsure why it did not go direct to California?


Again, and I REPEAT AGAIN, there is NO flight from Wuhan that went to SFO, period.

CZ659 took off from CAN and landed in SFO, never touching WUH!

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/cz659

For the umpteenth time, stop spreading BS!

Wasn't there a Kalitta Air 744F freighter?


The Kalitta Air (Refer to as "Connie" which is its callsign) 744 is the one that will be landing in ONT after a fuel stop at ANC.

That is the one and only US govt charter flight out of WUH AFAIK.

There is many confusion about CZ659 as flightaware and also FR24 listed it as a flight from WUH to SFO (which is what it normally is). In reality, that flight had been operating non-stop from CAN instead of going CAN-WUH-SFO ever since WUH closed. Same goes for CZ's CAN-WUH-FCO (operating the past week as non-stop CAN-FCO instead).
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:38 am

http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/202001/1 ... e237.shtml

China's National Heath Commission now gives a daily update of the coronavirus figures on its website. Below is the latest info of mainland China during 0-24 o'clock Jan 28 yesterday. An escalating situation indeed now :crackup:

截至1月28日24时新型冠状病毒感染的肺炎疫情最新情况

发布时间: 2020-01-29 来源: 卫生应急办公室

1月28日0-24时,31个省(区、市)报告新增确诊病例1459例,新增重症病例263例,新增死亡病例26例(湖北省25例、河南省1例),新增治愈出院病例43例,新增疑似病例3248例(包括西藏1例)。
  截至1月28日24时,国家卫生健康委收到31个省(区、市)累计报告确诊病例5974例,现有重症病例1239例,累计死亡病例132例,累计治愈出院103例。现有疑似病例9239例。
  目前累计追踪到密切接触者65537人,当日解除医学观察1604人,现有59990人正在接受医学观察。
  累计收到港澳台地区通报确诊病例:香港特别行政区8例,澳门特别行政区7例,台湾地区8例。



New confirmed cases: 1459
New severe cases: 263
New death cases: 26 (Hubei Province: 25; Henan Province: 1)
New cured cases discharged from hospital: 43
New suspected cases: 3248 (including 1 in Tibet)

Accumulative figures for mainland China by 24 o'clock Jan 28 yesterday:
Confirmed cases: 5974
Severe cases: 1239
Death cases: 132
Cured cases discharged from hospital: 103
Suspected cases: 9239
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:45 am

Discharged to death rate is the one to pay attention to.

The number of infected doesn’t matter, if the total discharged so far is 103 and a death rate is 132.

That means those infected will either be discharged/recover, or the alternative.
 
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Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:30 am

Interesting to see that Kalitta is operating a evacuation flight of American's out of the quarantine city of Wuhan China. News footage shows what was obviously the interior of a cargo aircraft outfitted with passenger seating.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CKS ... /ZHHH/PANC
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:43 am

British Airways is suspending PKX and PVG

https://paxex.aero/2020/01/british-airw ... paign=3824
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:45 am

Dozens of routes operated by Korean carriers to China are suspended

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-28jan20/
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:52 am

My post is my ideas and my opinions only, I do not represent the ideas or opinions of anyone else or company.
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:00 am

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It didn't. It originated in CAN but had the same flight number as the CAN-WUH-SFO flight.

Look at the flight path. It went nowhere near WUH.
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:01 am

Don't Kalitta only operate 744 freighters?
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:14 am

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Don't Kalitta only operate 744 freighters?


K4 has pallets with seats and oxygen systems on them and they have gotten numerous exemptions from the FAA to operate on behalf of the State Department for passenger flights.
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:18 am

Ishrion wrote:
usflyguy wrote:


It didn't. It originated in CAN but had the same flight number as the CAN-WUH-SFO flight.

Look at the flight path. It went nowhere near WUH.


The flight was originally CAN-WUH-SFO. It was changed to CAN-SFO direct. Probably the original schedule was still in Flightaware's database.
319/20/21 332/33 342/43/45 359/51 388 707 717 732/36/3G/38/39 74R/42/43/44/4E/48 757 762/63 772/7L/73/7W 788/89 D10 M80 135/40/45 175/90 DH1/4 CRJ/R7 L10
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:19 am

Seems crazy. Why do this? Why not use Omni or Atlas or any flag carrier? Flight attendants? Safety exit doors? Stupid.

The geniuses at the State Department succeed in producing a flight filled with actual self loading freight. To what end? Cant make it too luxurious? Again...stupid.

I do get the idea about others being afraid to fly in that aircraft, but reality is that the frame can be disinfected and put back in service.
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:28 am

speedbird52 wrote:
Don't Kalitta only operate 744 freighters?


No, they also operate the 767 and 777 as well.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:39 am

babastud wrote:
Spoke with my doctor friend who advises the Govt and the TSA. He said all doctors are in 100% in agreement that all travel to and from China should be halted immediately. He said any delay is on the govt to work out logistics and give time for assets a chance to get out. There of course is politics at play etc, etc. Overall everyone was in agreement it sounds like. He admitted all of this response was "way late". Anyone who has worked with the CCP or has first hand experience knows the govt figures are not accurate and big mistakes have been made along the way.

I believe it to be a real mistake for posters to compare this to seasonal flu's. Those suggesting this have no idea the severity of this and what may be in store not just for China but for the rest of the world. The fallout from this may have drastic and wide ranging affects on many areas of are life beyond aviation. Stay safe everyone, god speed....


Posters comparing this to the flu are in serious need of a reality check. The opinion itself is irresponsible, so I don’t imagine they’d make the best decisions if they were sick. I’ve read some unbelievably ignorant comments since the outbreak began. People will always underestimate nature’s creative ways in reducing the population.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:39 am

alaskan9974 wrote:
Perhaps the USA was holding off on restricting flights until it repatriated its citizens from Wuhan.

AP Report:

"NEW: Plane carrying U.S. citizens from virus-hit Wuhan has taken off, en-route to the U.S. - AP"

Anyone see it on flight aware yet?

i don't think so. A special evacuation flight like this would have been granted a separate exception anyways if there had been a total flight ban. I think the ban hasn't been in place till now because the severity of the problem was unknown and how contagious the virus was. They have to balance those aspects along with wide ranging economic impacts which is why the delay although one may question why wasn't it done earlier. Now that the gravity of the situation is known and getting scarier by the minute i think more countries will follow suit and shutdown flights to/from China. There were flight shutdowns during SARS. This seems to be turning out worse than SARS and i won't be surprised as more and more countries shut down flights to/from China. I think we are in unchartered territory here and have not witnessed a fast moving epidemic on a global scale (SARS having been surpassed in terms of infected people) https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... 67c633e317
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:56 am

wjcandee wrote:
Seems crazy. Why do this? Why not use Omni or Atlas or any flag carrier? Flight attendants? Safety exit doors? Stupid.

The geniuses at the State Department succeed in producing a flight filled with actual self loading freight. To what end? Cant make it too luxurious? Again...stupid.

I do get the idea about others being afraid to fly in that aircraft, but reality is that the frame can be disinfected and put back in service.

Its much easier to sanitize a plane without interior fitting and sanitize the interior fittings separately, plus they probably had some cargo they wanted to move in that flight and the US government has a strong relationship with Katilla as a company which is a big deal in fast-moving situations like this
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:12 am

747megatop wrote:
alaskan9974 wrote:
Perhaps the USA was holding off on restricting flights until it repatriated its citizens from Wuhan.

AP Report:

"NEW: Plane carrying U.S. citizens from virus-hit Wuhan has taken off, en-route to the U.S. - AP"

Anyone see it on flight aware yet?

i don't think so. A special evacuation flight like this would have been granted a separate exception anyways if there had been a total flight ban. I think the ban hasn't been in place till now because the severity of the problem was unknown and how contagious the virus was. They have to balance those aspects along with wide ranging economic impacts which is why the delay although one may question why wasn't it done earlier. Now that the gravity of the situation is known and getting scarier by the minute i think more countries will follow suit and shutdown flights to/from China. There were flight shutdowns during SARS. This seems to be turning out worse than SARS and i won't be surprised as more and more countries shut down flights to/from China. I think we are in unchartered territory here and have not witnessed a fast moving epidemic on a global scale (SARS having been surpassed in terms of infected people) https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... 67c633e317


I would have to agree with your assessment. This is a pandemic in the making.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:17 am

ethernal wrote:
Kikko19 wrote:
Zoedyn wrote:
http://news.sina.com.cn/c/2020-01-27/doc-iihnzahk6566599.shtml

The Chinese report says on the night of Jan 26, a Thai AirAsia flight #FD428 got all the 178 ppl (including 6 crew members) aboard quarantined upon landing in Guiyang City after two pax (a 44-year-old man and a 7-year-old girl) were found in fever with one of them having made a recent trip to Wuhan, an emergency that made local Party boss, governor and other officials rush to deal with in all seriousness.

We'll find out whether there's any cases on that flight when local authorities release the test results :eyepopping:

Still considering Wuhan the only risky area. Soon there will be more.


Unfortunately there has to be prioritization. All of China is being viewed as a hotspot at this point, but Wuhan is still the epicenter. 90%+ of known people with coronavirus are either currently in or have been in Wuhan. If you're trying to minimize spread, prioritizing on that is the logical thing to do. If everyone with a cough that flew in the APAC region in the past three weeks was quarantined, there wouldn't be enough people and equipment to manage.

This stuff is hard. Balancing public health risk versus completely paralyzing entire economies (not to mention individual rights and freedoms, although holistically East Asia has a different cultural perspective on individual vs. collective rights than say the US or EU) is never easy. So far I think most countries have struck the right balance between the two. There are meaningful precautions being taken without spreading hysteria. As the risk environment changes, so too do I expect the response to be.

It is entirely possible if in 5-7 days the virus continues its exponential rise that pretty much all flights between countries within and to/from the APAC region are suspended. But now is not the time for that based on available information.


Agree, but to stop the virus from spreading there's only one way. Stand still. Food should be distributed along with basic services. Travelling is just producing more damages. With no spread we could be out of the situation in a month or two. Allowing to travel will prolong and spread the misery worldwide.
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:32 am

wjcandee wrote:
Seems crazy. Why do this? Why not use Omni or Atlas or any flag carrier? Flight attendants? Safety exit doors? Stupid.

The geniuses at the State Department succeed in producing a flight filled with actual self loading freight. To what end? Cant make it too luxurious? Again...stupid.

I do get the idea about others being afraid to fly in that aircraft, but reality is that the frame can be disinfected and put back in service.


Are you kidding me? those pallet seating units are positively lavish compared with any normal pax Y experience. Huge room - which means safer in any evacuation scenario than normal pax cattle cars passed off as safe.
Nothing stupid about Kalitta or the State Dept - perfectly rational and sensible.

I'm sure Kalitta can get onsite faster and afford the down time for the aircraft afterwards - something no "flag carrier" wants to do.
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:06 am

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Are you kidding me? those pallet seating units are positively lavish compared with any normal pax Y experience. Huge room - which means safer in any evacuation scenario than normal pax cattle cars passed off as safe.
Nothing stupid about Kalitta or the State Dept - perfectly rational and sensible.
I'm sure Kalitta can get onsite faster and afford the down time for the aircraft afterwards - something no "flag carrier" wants to do.


Nobody said Kalitta was stupid -- if I were they, I would happily take the $$$. Especially when they are parking 747s. They're an absolutely-excellent operator, and they'll do a good job. My beef is with how the State Department has turned a simple charter flight into an extraordinary undertaking.

Kalitta can get onsite faster than Omni or Atlas if the latter have the spare pax aircraft? Particularly given that there was multiple days' notice and it involved a pallet-seating refit for the Kalitta aircraft? That doesn't sound too likely.

The major US carriers are in a slow season, where they paint aircraft and run them through maintenance at a higher volume than other times. They could find a spare and use it and disinfect it without a major disruption. Omni might not have a spare, although they usually do -- and usually guarantee a fast callout. Atlas has the aircraft, but maybe not the crew to staff it given that they are hemorrhaging pilots. But one crew on a special mission? That would seem to be a possibility.

As to safety -- all the exits work? Have slides? Kalitta doesn't have flight attendants (whereas Atlas and Omni do), so I guess they have some kind of arrangement to "rent" them?

And "lavish" must be in the eye of the beholder. To me, it's still a self-loading-freight flight. Catering? IFE?
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:16 am

FYI, for those who doesn't have membership access, the aircraft is N705CK, B747-4B5F.
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:24 am

wjcandee wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
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Are you kidding me? those pallet seating units are positively lavish compared with any normal pax Y experience. Huge room - which means safer in any evacuation scenario than normal pax cattle cars passed off as safe.
Nothing stupid about Kalitta or the State Dept - perfectly rational and sensible.
I'm sure Kalitta can get onsite faster and afford the down time for the aircraft afterwards - something no "flag carrier" wants to do.


Nobody said Kalitta was stupid -- if I were they, I would happily take the $$$. Especially when they are parking 747s. They're an absolutely-excellent operator, and they'll do a good job. My beef is with how the State Department has turned a simple charter flight into an extraordinary undertaking.

Kalitta can get onsite faster than Omni or Atlas if the latter have the spare pax aircraft? Particularly given that there was multiple days' notice and it involved a pallet-seating refit for the Kalitta aircraft? That doesn't sound too likely.

The major US carriers are in a slow season, where they paint aircraft and run them through maintenance at a higher volume than other times. They could find a spare and use it and disinfect it without a major disruption. Omni might not have a spare, although they usually do -- and usually guarantee a fast callout. Atlas has the aircraft, but maybe not the crew to staff it given that they are hemorrhaging pilots. But one crew on a special mission? That would seem to be a possibility.

As to safety -- all the exits work? Have slides? Kalitta doesn't have flight attendants (whereas Atlas and Omni do), so I guess they have some kind of arrangement to "rent" them?

And "lavish" must be in the eye of the beholder. To me, it's still a self-loading-freight flight. Catering? IFE?

Anything with an interior would be a lot harder to properly disinfect it then a cargo aircraft with passenger seating inserts possibly days longer if they want to do a proper disinfectant job versus a cargo aircraft with a very bare bones interior that can probably be machine washed.
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:33 am

wjcandee wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
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Are you kidding me? those pallet seating units are positively lavish compared with any normal pax Y experience. Huge room - which means safer in any evacuation scenario than normal pax cattle cars passed off as safe.
Nothing stupid about Kalitta or the State Dept - perfectly rational and sensible.
I'm sure Kalitta can get onsite faster and afford the down time for the aircraft afterwards - something no "flag carrier" wants to do.


Nobody said Kalitta was stupid -- if I were they, I would happily take the $$$. Especially when they are parking 747s. They're an absolutely-excellent operator, and they'll do a good job. My beef is with how the State Department has turned a simple charter flight into an extraordinary undertaking.


Write your Congressperson.
Its an evacuation flight from a militarily quarantined city undergoing a developing pandemic in a regime-led country on the other side of the world with whom the US has a very dicey relationship with. I hardly call it a "simple charter flight".
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:58 am

BA has just announced it is halting the booking of direct flights to PEK and PVG...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.expr ... han-Ch/amp
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:58 am

Planes in ANC now.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:13 am

http://news.ifeng.com/c/7tcznLZRGAO

Another 2 pax from Hubei Province onboard Flight #TR188 from Singapore to Hangzhou on Jan 24 are confirmed to be infected with the coronavirus today Jan 29, adding up to a total of 4 confirmed cases among the 335 pax on that flight, of whom 116 are from Wuhan, the epidemic epicenter.

The rest of the pax currently are all in quarantine for medical observation :camera:

Blow are a couple of graphs delineating the epidemic trends in mainland China as of Jan 28
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Graphs via Sina.com
Data source: China National Health Commission

Notes:
:point: Vertical refers to no. of cases, horizontal progression of date.
:point: Red indicates confirmed cases; purple suspected; yellow cured; dark death
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:25 am

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
BA has just announced it is halting the booking of direct flights to PEK and PVG...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.expr ... han-Ch/amp


It’s not just stopping bookings, it’s suspending services.
 
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Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:44 am

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
BA has just announced it is halting the booking of direct flights to PEK and PVG...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.expr ... han-Ch/amp


Saw that this morning, no surprises after the government advised all but essential travel last night.
I was actually due on BA169 to PVG this Saturday, after seeing the US government advise against travel yesterday knew it would only be a matter of time, so changed yesterday.

Any news on virgin?! They still fly to PVG from the UK also


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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:48 am

32andBelow wrote:
Planes in ANC now.


Being diverted to March AFB.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/01 ... vacuation/

Personally I think it was stupid and careless to let that plane land and people deplane at a public airport. I am glad someone came to their senses. They should be quarantined for a long time.
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:54 am

NIKV69 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Planes in ANC now.


Being diverted to March AFB.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/01 ... vacuation/

Personally I think it was stupid and careless to let that plane land and people deplane at a public airport. I am glad someone came to their senses. They should be quarantined for a long time.
its not diverted. It’s on the ground at PANC confirmed. It’s next leg is destined for KRIV now.
 
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Re: Kalitta operating Wuhan evacuation flight

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:56 am

DiamondFlyer wrote:
speedbird52 wrote:
Don't Kalitta only operate 744 freighters?


No, they also operate the 767 and 777 as well.

Correct but this particular flight was on a 744. Also, they do not operate 777s AFAIK and their 767 is also a freighter. They do have PAX 727s and DC9s I think
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:00 am

I suspect now that BA has ceased flights to/from Shanghai and Beijing, Virgin will likely suspend Shanghai at some point today.

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