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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:01 pm

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Did Delta cancel any flights to China or business as usual?

Technically yes. They're reducing service frequency, but not outright cancelling routes. For now.

https://news.delta.com/delta-temporaril ... -customers
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:02 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Did Delta cancel any flights to China or business as usual?


Last I seen, they are limiting flights only to Beijing and Shanghai !

I don't understand, if this nasty virus is spreading across the China why risk crew, American nationals and ROW people by continuing flights???? I know some people might start bashing this by stating business, shares, profits etc but is it worth a risk??
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:13 pm

EgyptAir have announced the suspension of flights to China including Hangzhou (from 01FEB), Beijing (from 04FEB) and Guangzhou (from 04FEB). Hong Kong flights will continue to operate.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:13 pm

theaviator380 wrote:
Last I seen, they are limiting flights only to Beijing and Shanghai !

I don't understand, if this nasty virus is spreading across the China why risk crew, American nationals and ROW people by continuing flights???? I know some people might start bashing this by stating business, shares, profits etc but is it worth a risk??
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Technically yes. They're reducing service frequency, but not outright cancelling routes. For now.

https://news.delta.com/delta-temporaril ... -customers


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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:27 pm

My friend is supposed to go back to Beijing where she lives, on Saturday. She was booked on Swiss through Zurich but as the flight has been cancelled Swiss said she could fly 'Lufthansa' which was actually a CA codeshare. My friend is unsure what to do as she is returning to work!
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:28 pm

I learnt, flight carrying British nationals from Wuhan is supposed to land in Brize Norton, Oxford which is RAF base and then pax to be transported to former NHS staff accommodation in North West of England.

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2020-0 ... on-return/

Fingers crossed ! hope no positive cases.

I don't know whether one like to fly on the plane with suspected people for over period of 12-13 hours or rather stay locked in the house in Wuhan...tricky.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:34 pm

I haven't seen anyone talk about it, but is anything being done to sanitize aircraft potentially carrying infected passengers? Surely, simply spraying a can of Lysol in the cabin isn't going to resolve this. It made me think since Kalitta Air was used to bring US passengers back and ANA is being used in Japan.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:48 pm

As of today
AMS <-> PVG - KL894/896 - Reduced service from 11 to 7 flights/week
AMS <-> HGH - KL882 - Suspended
AMS <-> PEK - KL898 - Unchanged
AMS <-> CTU - KL892 - Suspended
AMS <-> XMN - KL884 - Suspended
AMS <-> HKG - KL888 - Unchanged

Source: https://news.klm.com/update-corona-virus-2-ii/
 
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:58 pm

MrBren wrote:


Yes and no statement from KLM. They are being a follower and trying to be forced into stop flying. I’m sure KL will announce full interruption of AMS-China within 48hrs.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:06 pm

In my opinion, the proper response would be to close all borders to outbound travel from China immediately for 2 weeks and start to work lists and try to isolate travellers from Wuhan and quarantine them wherever they are, even if at cost of local governments worldwide.
The more time is wasted, the less control there is, the more panic there will be.

What's a 2 week partial grounding of China versus the prospects of a months/years-long global pandemic where the worldwide fleet will be grounded with the unnecessary death of tens of millions of our weaker elderly people and young babies?
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:10 pm

I fully expect flight cancellations to last until early summer. As with the SARS outbreak, it will probably take about 6 months to run its course.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:21 pm

airbuster wrote:
MrBren wrote:


Yes and no statement from KLM. They are being a follower and trying to be forced into stop flying. I’m sure KL will announce full interruption of AMS-China within 48hrs.

I certainly hope so, my partner is crew and not jumping for joy to fly to China. She has to go to Taipei soon but is sort if apprehensive.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:36 pm

Flanker7 wrote:
airbuster wrote:
MrBren wrote:


Yes and no statement from KLM. They are being a follower and trying to be forced into stop flying. I’m sure KL will announce full interruption of AMS-China within 48hrs.

I certainly hope so, my partner is crew and not jumping for joy to fly to China. She has to go to Taipei soon but is sort if apprehensive.


And she’s very right to be reluctant to go. Don’t take this lightly. If the company won’t take it seriously she can.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:41 pm

airbuster wrote:
MrBren wrote:


Yes and no statement from KLM. They are being a follower and trying to be forced into stop flying. I’m sure KL will announce full interruption of AMS-China within 48hrs.

KLM has made multiple statements that they are monitoring the situation but for now will continue flying to China. They are reducing flights to China because a drop in demand, not because it's too risky. Panic doesn't help anyone, I'm glad they keep a cool head.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 3:57 pm

What will happen if crew members of aircraft flying to China start catching this virus? Will there be legal recourse based on employer negligence? I'm in UK where the law requires employers to ensure safe working conditions. No doubt there are exceptions eg firefighters by definition (unintended fire is dangerous) are required to work in an unsafe environment. However, unlike my example, cabin crew and pilots do not need to be exposed to disease in order to do their jobs.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:00 pm

art wrote:
What will happen if crew members of aircraft flying to China start catching this virus? Will there be legal recourse based on employer negligence? I'm in UK where the law requires employers to ensure safe working conditions. No doubt there are exceptions eg firefighters by definition (unintended fire is dangerous) are required to work in a safe environment. However, unlike my example, cabin crew and pilots do not need to be exposed to disease in order to do their jobs.


True points, but they're exposed to various illnesses all the time. Here in the US, the airlines that fly to China have allowed those crew members with compromised immune systems to opt out of working such trips without penalty/discipline.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:11 pm

KLM will stop all flights to China on Monday so their customers have a chance to return. Much better than leaving your customers stranded in China like other European carriers did imo.

https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/5509773 ... r-china-op (Dutch)
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:30 pm

So, it's still basically just the Chinese carriers that are pretty much not changing anything yet re service to other countries?
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:33 pm

Virgin Atlantic, LOT Polish, S7 Airlines, Aeroflot
They are the only ones that have not announced or canceled or suspended routes to China from Europe
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:44 pm

cjg225 wrote:
So, it's still basically just the Chinese carriers that are pretty much not changing anything yet re service to other countries?


Looks like it and it is about time imo to collectively ban them landing in other countries.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:51 pm

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
Virgin Atlantic, LOT Polish, S7 Airlines, Aeroflot
They are the only ones that have not announced or canceled or suspended routes to China from Europe


https://www.ibtimes.com/coronavirus-upd ... ad-2912653

Russia did partially close their Chinese border, though, and IMHO it's a matter of time before SU and S7 canned their mainland China flights.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:51 pm

UA835 is currently en route ORD-PVG with 777-200 N225UA. Looking at the seat map, it appears they only have 55 aboard, including 14 in Polaris and 1 in premium economy.

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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:08 pm

El Al suspended its flights to China for a period of two months.

http://www.ynetnews.com/article/S1F7IMgzL

Furthermore according Israeli minister of health, they decided to suspend all incoming flights from China to Israel. (link in Hebrew only for now)

http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5669399,00.html

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Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:19 pm

Viper911 wrote:
...according Israeli minister of health, they decided to suspend all incoming flight from China to Israel. (link in Hebrew only for now)


To be absolutely safe, this is what is needed, isn't it? Nobody cares who flies to China, providing they don't bring any passengers back!
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:23 pm

United trims its China flying further through March 28.

Basically they will go from 12 daily flights to 4.

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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:32 pm

art wrote:
Viper911 wrote:
...according Israeli minister of health, they decided to suspend all incoming flight from China to Israel. (link in Hebrew only for now)


To be absolutely safe, this is what is needed, isn't it? Nobody cares who flies to China, providing they don't bring any passengers back!


To some extent, but even if they ban all flights incoming from China to Israel, travellers that been to China recently still can arrive through connecting flights.

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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:42 pm

I see Virgin still haven't suspended their flights to PVG. Typical Branson...
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:44 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
As of today
AMS <-> PVG - KL894/896 - Reduced service from 11 to 7 flights/week
AMS <-> HGH - KL882 - Suspended
AMS <-> PEK - KL898 - Unchanged
AMS <-> CTU - KL892 - Suspended
AMS <-> XMN - KL884 - Suspended
AMS <-> HKG - KL888 - Unchanged

Source: https://news.klm.com/update-corona-virus-2-ii/


New update from the KL front: All outbound flights to mainland China as listed above will be suspended after the upcoming weekend.

Source: https://news.klm.com/klm-suspends-flights-to-china/
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:29 pm

Is this correct that China Southern is still flying from Wuhan directly out to international destinations?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN ... /ZHHH/KSFO
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:32 pm

Boeing727 wrote:
Is this correct that China Southern is still flying from Wuhan directly out to international destinations?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN ... /ZHHH/KSFO


No, CZ659 normally operates as CAN-WUH-SFO. For now, they are skipping WUH and flying CAN direct to SFO. Both CAN-WUH and WUH-SFO legs of the flight are both CZ659.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:43 pm

Is Ethiopian still operating all flights?
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:30 pm

GRJGeorge wrote:
Is Ethiopian still operating all flights?


They posted a tweet saying that they are still operating a full schedule and are monitoring the latest data and information coming out of China.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:36 pm

Is cargo being affected too ? A friend received an e-mail from Fed Ex the other day saying his package from China was being held back. And I note a couple of eBay purchased items of my own are still in Hong Kong when typically they'd be in the UK by now.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:57 pm

Boeing727 wrote:
Is this correct that China Southern is still flying from Wuhan directly out to international destinations?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN ... /ZHHH/KSFO


https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 9#23b27785

Tracking inside PRC is not 100% as-is. But if you look at the FR24 data you can clearly see it took off from CAN and never touched WUH.

(Prepare for yet another similar post in a few days...unless US suspend all flights to/from mainland PRC, that is).
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:00 pm

JannEejit wrote:
Is cargo being affected too ? A friend received an e-mail from Fed Ex the other day saying his package from China was being held back. And I note a couple of eBay purchased items of my own are still in Hong Kong when typically they'd be in the UK by now.

Yes. The integrators are stopping service in specific areas right now.

Haven't heard about service cuts in HKG yet, but definitely on the mainland in certain areas.
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:08 pm

a36001 wrote:
When will a ban be placed on Chinese carriers from landing in foreign countries until this is resolved? What is the point of airlines ceasing flights INTO China if Chinese airlines are still flying OUT of China?


You are raising a valid point something that a lot of people and perhaps governments around the world are overlooking.

Just from reading this thread we have heard from many carriers reducing service or canceling service to China but we haven't heard of a single Chinese carrier at the very least reducing service.

I think once the temporary cancellations and service reductions go into place I think then a lot of attention would be placed on Chinese carriers. Take for instance here in Chicago the new media is/was all over UA's decision to suspend all Chicago flights to/from China, they claimed (I'm paraphrasing) it is the right thing to do cutting off nonstop service. However the same news media seems to have forgotten that Chicago still has multiple nonstop flight to/from China on Chinese carriers. Hopefully the Chicago's Department of Public Health which stated on the air they have been screening people coming in on UA flights hopefully they don't forget about the Chinese carriers once the spot light is no longer on UA. I'm sure it is the same in many cities across the world they are focusing on their own airline while (seemingly) turning a blind eye to the Chinese carriers. They also need to be forced into temporarily reducing and/or canceling service.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:23 pm

Assuming this lasts for a few months (and is limited to just China), how will the US3 handle the extra crew members who would have manned those flights? Do they bump down lower seniority pilots? Is there enough slack in the system that no one will be temporarily laid off?
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    I think there is TREMENDOUS pressure by the Chinese gov't on Chinese airlines to NOT reduce any service between China and the rest of the world as part of its "face-saving" needs for its int'l deception. Local health officials were terrified to bring this to the attention of Beijing for fear of being fired or reprimanded or losing social status, as that is the authoritarian culture that is in China and now worse than earlier presidents. So for an int'l airline to stop services, that CEO could well be kicked out of the airline. This why governments around the world--US, EU, elsewhere have to ban the arrival of Chinese carriers for the moment, because there is no other way.
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:50 pm

    The evacuation flight from Wuhan with mainly British citizens will be on Spanish airline Wamos Air on a Boeing 747-400 reg EC-KXN. The Airplane had been stationed in HAN.
    Apart from the 150 or so British citizens, there are 22 Spanish citizens and a few other, mainly Nordic countries that will also be on board.
    The 747 will fly to Brize Norton Air base in Southern England before continuing to Torrejón air base in Madrid. Some of the European passengers are expected to be quarantined together with the Spanish citizens in one ward of a military hospital in Madrid.
    The British citizens will have to be transported by road from Brize Norton to The Wirral in Northern England.
     
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    CNBC reporting ALPA is suing AA to get a restraining order to stop US-China flights for AA flights
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    I am surprised we haven't seen an all-out closure of flights to/from the US-China, yet.
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:29 pm

    musman9853 wrote:
    CNBC reporting ALPA is suing AA to get a restraining order to stop US-China flights for AA flights


    APA, Not ALPA. Different union.
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:31 pm

    77722LR wrote:
    I am surprised we haven't seen an all-out closure of flights to/from the US-China, yet.


    That makes the most public health sense. But just think of what continued air service will do to the American public in terms of fear and unease---perfect distraction for Trump on the impeachment trial. This may well be part of US gov't thinking.
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:37 pm

    greenair727 wrote:
    ^That makes the most public health sense. But just think of what continued air service will do to the American public in terms of fear and unease---perfect distraction for Trump on the impeachment trial. This may well be part of US gov't thinking.


    I don't think this is a conspiracy.

    However, it does fit the "AA Management is incompetent" narrative.
    "PPRuNe will no longer allow discussions regarding Etihad Airlines, its employees, executives, agents, or other representatives. Such threads will be deleted." - ME3 thug airlines suing anyone who brings negative information public..
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:38 pm

    ^I was actually referring to the US-China flights for ALL airlines.
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:39 pm

    AA pilots file suit.

    ABEguy wrote:
    https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/01/30/allied-pilots-association-files-suit-to-stop-american-airlines-flights-to-china/amp/
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:45 pm

    MohawkWeekend wrote:
    Assuming this lasts for a few months (and is limited to just China), how will the US3 handle the extra crew members who would have manned those flights? Do they bump down lower seniority pilots? Is there enough slack in the system that no one will be temporarily laid off?

    Its generally not worth it to start retraining people for an incident that only lasts a few months, except for not upgrading people onto widebodies and maybe a few people not getting captain slots all your going to see is either more Europe flying or more flight crew sitting reserve
     
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    Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:51 pm

    Meanwhile first 2 confirmed cases in Italy from Chinese paxes arrived couple of days ago. Today Italy closed arrivals from China arrivals. Of course too late as usual.

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