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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:07 pm

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Alitalia stopped all flights to/from China.
This morning the last five flights from China arrived at Milan Malpensa (two Air China flights from Beijing and Shanghai) and the last three at Rome Leonardo Da Vinci (Air China A330 from Hanghzou, Hainan Airlines A330 from Chongqing, China Southern B787 from Guanghzou).
In the afternoon the last flight from Italy left for China with a load of tourist going back to their country.
Italian Government announced a National Emergency after the first two SARS infected in Italy, Rome, two Chinese tourists staying in an hotel in the city centre. They arrived on January 23rd at MIlan Malpensa and then continued to Rome, The two tourists have been hospitalized while many other tourists of the hotel have not been checked because left it during the night.
In the meanwhile the two Chinese tourists on board of Costa Smeralda ship are negative and the 6.000 people on board in quarantine at Civitavecchia port can restart to breathe.
Now there is the problem of the many Chinese tourists here in Italy to repatriate; on February 2nd a military flight should depart for China for the repatriating of the Italian citizens that want to leave the country.

Having a really hard time finding articles on this, could you link me to some ( Italian language stuff is no issue) ? Is the military flight a charted aircraft or is it an aircraft from Air force stock?

It should be a civil aircraft (charter flight) operated by Ministry of Defence with, on board, military personnel.
The people on board will be quarantined in a military base, maybe Cecchignola.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:09 pm

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Was playing around, found this Korean Air flight (747) headed from WUH to GMP in Seoul. KE9884 flight no.

https://www.flightradar24.com/KAL9884/23b76d4d


And the rescue flight was packed also...

https://simpleflying.com/korean-air-747-rescue-flight/

18 showing some symptoms of contacting nCoV.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:03 pm

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KirkSeattle wrote:
Was playing around, found this Korean Air flight (747) headed from WUH to GMP in Seoul. KE9884 flight no.

https://www.flightradar24.com/KAL9884/23b76d4d


And the rescue flight was packed also...

https://simpleflying.com/korean-air-747-rescue-flight/

18 showing some symptoms of contacting nCoV.


that is a very high number of pax, though geographically that makes sense, 18 is also unnaturally high at 5% of pax, have any other rescue flights encountered this level? I suppose it's possible it spread on board the aircraft if it was very full. Still, seems far more organised than any british effort.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:07 pm

I assume if the airline cancels a flight they must refund all passengers.

Keeping a daily flight is a great way to avoid having to refund. If the passengers do not turn up and the aircraft departs half empty the airline still gets the profit from all of the ticket sales.

The travel insurance companies will then take the hit.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:24 pm

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I assume if the airline cancels a flight they must refund all passengers.


They do under U.S. DOT requirements. I can't speak to other national law.

I had suspected that U.S.-arriving flights would be directed to a small number of airports but I didn't hazard a guess of seven:

Starting on Feb. 2, incoming U.S.-bound flights from China will be directed to seven airports: John F. Kennedy International, Chicago’s O’Hare International, San Francisco International, Seattle–Tacoma International, Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International, Los Angeles International, and Honolulu’s Official Daniel K. Inouye International airports.

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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:34 pm

I would assume with the US banning any non US citizens (and their families) from entering the US if they have traveled to China in the past 14 days most, if not all, Chinese carriers will be suspending service.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:15 am

The Homeland Security deputy secretary, who is a member of the White House task force on the coronavirus, said incoming flights from China will be limited to just seven airports — SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, SEA, ATL & HNL— beginning Sunday.

With the US3 suspending of all their China flights starting next week, I suspect this means that Chinese carriers will be allowed to continue service but only to these airports where health officials from the CDC will be on hand to give very thorough exams to each passenger.

The trump administration said that certain foreign nationals deemed to pose a risk of transmitting the disease will temporarily be denied entry to the U.S., some returning American citizens potentially at risk will be quarantined, and anyone that has been to the Hubei province — home of Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus — within the last 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine.

I certainly feel like this this could last well into the summer and we might not see resumption of flights to China by the US3 and other foreign carriers until then. Time will tell


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/white-h ... rnoon.html
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:19 am

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I assume if the airline cancels a flight they must refund all passengers.

Keeping a daily flight is a great way to avoid having to refund. If the passengers do not turn up and the aircraft departs half empty the airline still gets the profit from all of the ticket sales.

The travel insurance companies will then take the hit.


That, or rebook them according to EU law. But I've seen several airlines that keep flying but has announced that they will allow all passengers to cancel their tickets and get their money back, regardless of booking class and ticket flexibility.
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:52 am

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The Homeland Security deputy secretary, who is a member of the White House task force on the coronavirus, said incoming flights from China will be limited to just seven airports — SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, SEA, ATL & HNL— beginning Sunday.

With the US3 suspending of all their China flights starting next week, I suspect this means that Chinese carriers will be allowed to continue service but only to these airports where health officials from the CDC will be on hand to give very thorough exams to each passenger.

The trump administration said that certain foreign nationals deemed to pose a risk of transmitting the disease will temporarily be denied entry to the U.S., some returning American citizens potentially at risk will be quarantined, and anyone that has been to the Hubei province — home of Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus — within the last 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine.

I certainly feel like this this could last well into the summer and we might not see resumption of flights to China by the US3 and other foreign carriers until then. Time will tell


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/white-h ... rnoon.html


I assume that means HU PEK/PVG-BOS will be cancelled?
I wonder if this will be death knell for Hainan. Their financial situation wasn't great to begin with and now this...
 
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Did Jordan have their own Wuhan repatriation flight?

Sat Feb 01, 2020 12:53 am

I found this on FlightAware a few minutes ago.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/RJA ... /ZHHH/OJAI
does anybody have information?
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:18 am

Qantas will have a 747 leave SYD on Sunday for HKG, it will then position to WUH to evacuate Australians from there it will fly to DRW, scheduled to arrive 230 on Monday, from there they will be transferred to smaller aircraft and sent to XCH

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/qa ... spartanntp
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:20 am

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The Homeland Security deputy secretary, who is a member of the White House task force on the coronavirus, said incoming flights from China will be limited to just seven airports — SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, SEA, ATL & HNL— beginning Sunday.

With the US3 suspending of all their China flights starting next week, I suspect this means that Chinese carriers will be allowed to continue service but only to these airports where health officials from the CDC will be on hand to give very thorough exams to each passenger.

The trump administration said that certain foreign nationals deemed to pose a risk of transmitting the disease will temporarily be denied entry to the U.S., some returning American citizens potentially at risk will be quarantined, and anyone that has been to the Hubei province — home of Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus — within the last 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine.

I certainly feel like this this could last well into the summer and we might not see resumption of flights to China by the US3 and other foreign carriers until then. Time will tell


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/white-h ... rnoon.html


Unless I’m forgetting something, Delta was the only one flying between Atlanta and China, right? Which means after the suspension there’s no more China flights?
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 1:53 am

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I found this on FlightAware a few minutes ago.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/RJA ... /ZHHH/OJAI
does anybody have information?


Rescue flight getting students out.

https://en.royanews.tv/news/19883/2020-01-31
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 2:09 am

piedmontf284000 wrote:
The Homeland Security deputy secretary, who is a member of the White House task force on the coronavirus, said incoming flights from China will be limited to just seven airports — SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, SEA, ATL & HNL— beginning Sunday.

With the US3 suspending of all their China flights starting next week, I suspect this means that Chinese carriers will be allowed to continue service but only to these airports where health officials from the CDC will be on hand to give very thorough exams to each passenger.

The trump administration said that certain foreign nationals deemed to pose a risk of transmitting the disease will temporarily be denied entry to the U.S., some returning American citizens potentially at risk will be quarantined, and anyone that has been to the Hubei province — home of Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus — within the last 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine.

I certainly feel like this this could last well into the summer and we might not see resumption of flights to China by the US3 and other foreign carriers until then. Time will tell


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/white-h ... rnoon.html


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Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:54 am

Qantas suspends all flights to China

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/ ... 64385?s=20
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:00 am

Qantas Press Release on China service suspensions

Flights suspended from 9 Feb to 29 Mar 20, subject to review
Last service of QF107/108 SYD-PEK finishes on 9 Feb instead of 23 Feb
HKG flights remain as scheduled

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -services/
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:11 am

More info on the QF 747 rescue mission into WUH

Scheduled to depart SYD on Sunday 2 Feb 20 at 1230 as QF6031
Operated by VH-OEF
Arrives in HKG at 1900
Position to WUH and arrive at 2330
Will depart WUH 230 Monday 3 Feb 20 as QF6032
Arrive at DRW at 1000
On arrival into DRW it is understood that 2 RAAF C-17's will be meeting the 747 on the tarmac for passenger transfer
C-17's will then position to XCH

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/pas ... er-sunday/
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:54 am

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/02/air-new-zealand-to-suspend-service-to-shanghai.html

NZ is now to suspend PVG-AKL until 29 March 2020, originally planned to reduce to 4x weekly (normally daily).
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:02 am

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https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/02/air-new-zealand-to-suspend-service-to-shanghai.html

NZ is now to suspend PVG-AKL until 29 March 2020, originally planned to reduce to 4x weekly (normally daily).


What is interesting in both the NZ and QF announcements, both carries have also cited crew logistics as well, since both carriers fly the same equipment to China and Singapore, it would make rostering difficult for the any crew sent to China as they would not be allowed into SIN for 14 days

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:09 am

Vietnam Airlines and Jetstar Pacific started suspending flights to mainland and Macau from Feb 4th, after Feb 6th there will be no flight between Vietnam and Chinese territories (except HK and TW)

Meanwhile, Vietjet is suspending all flights connecting Vietnam with mainland from today, as 2 days ago there were 3 infected victims flying on a regional flight (HAN-TNA). All airframes used for China mainland services from the last 3-4 weeks will be grounded and cleaned, and the crew who served mainland service from that time will be also quarantined for a dozen of days.

It looks like Vietnam is closing the air connection with CN mainland, and at this moment there are 6 cases in Vietnam (4 Vietnamese).

As a Vietnamese, I feel so bad for the country when Vietnam is geographically next to China; and the gov can't close the border due to some stupid political reasons.
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:40 am

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piedmontf284000 wrote:
The Homeland Security deputy secretary, who is a member of the White House task force on the coronavirus, said incoming flights from China will be limited to just seven airports — SFO, LAX, ORD, JFK, SEA, ATL & HNL— beginning Sunday.

With the US3 suspending of all their China flights starting next week, I suspect this means that Chinese carriers will be allowed to continue service but only to these airports where health officials from the CDC will be on hand to give very thorough exams to each passenger.

The trump administration said that certain foreign nationals deemed to pose a risk of transmitting the disease will temporarily be denied entry to the U.S., some returning American citizens potentially at risk will be quarantined, and anyone that has been to the Hubei province — home of Wuhan, the epicenter of the virus — within the last 14 days will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine.

I certainly feel like this this could last well into the summer and we might not see resumption of flights to China by the US3 and other foreign carriers until then. Time will tell


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/31/white-h ... rnoon.html


Unless I’m forgetting something, Delta was the only one flying between Atlanta and China, right? Which means after the suspension there’s no more China flights?


The CDC is located in Atlanta. I think that officials might be keeping that airport open should they need to send infected persons directly there.
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:44 am

What about United’s remaining PVG/PEK-EWR and PEK-IAD flights? Are those still going to operate between now and their announced suspension dates and stop in LAX/SFO for CDC and immigration clearance? Or are those being cancelled as well?
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 6:23 am

Looks like its just a matter of time before Chinese airlines pull their services to Australia

The Australian government is no longer permitting Chinese Tourists in Australia, meanwhile Australian citizens are allowed to return but must self isolate for 14 days

https://twitter.com/jenbechwati/status/ ... 89728?s=20
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:20 am

Vietnam bans all flights to Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan until 1 May 20

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Have to wonder where this leaves Starlux, only began commercial ops on 23 Jan 20, initial routes being Macau, Da Nang and Penang, Macau has already been reduced from 3 to 1 daily, now Da Nang is cancelled until May at the earliest which only leaves Penang

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Sat Feb 01, 2020 8:48 am

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Have to wonder where this leaves Starlux, only began commercial ops on 23 Jan 20, initial routes being Macau, Da Nang and Penang, Macau has already been reduced from 3 to 1 daily, now Da Nang is cancelled until May at the earliest which only leaves Penang

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 01120?s=20


Damn... that really sucks. Was hoping they’d do well, but things are looking terrible.

Even on their inaugural flights a bunch of people were wearing masks so it got captured in their inaugural celebration video.
 
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Jetstar Asia cancels all mainland China flights through to 31 Mar 20

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zkncj wrote:
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/02/air-new-zealand-to-suspend-service-to-shanghai.html

NZ is now to suspend PVG-AKL until 29 March 2020, originally planned to reduce to 4x weekly (normally daily).


What is interesting in both the NZ and QF announcements, both carries have also cited crew logistics as well, since both carriers fly the same equipment to China and Singapore, it would make rostering difficult for the any crew sent to China as they would not be allowed into SIN for 14 days

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 41440?s=20


The US is also talking about restricting foreigners entry to the US with recent travel to China. So that would likely to have an effect on NZ 787 cabin crew, which operate in ORD, IAH, HNL.
 
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Sat Feb 01, 2020 9:09 am

Cathay Pacific now offering to waive fees for those wanting to rebook or reroute flights

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 56000?s=20
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I am concerned that airlines such as Emirates, Qatar Airways and Etihad that are strong in China, do not suspend or reduce their flights to China
Many of their flights are connections can expand the virus further, they should take action now, it is not appropriate to fly to China
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Qatar to suspend all China flights from 3 Feb 20

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Vietnam bans all flights to Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan until 1 May 20

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Vietnam has now reversed the ban on flights to Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 39456?s=20
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Interior pics of the Kalitta 747 here https://samchui.com/2020/01/31/us-evacu ... jRut2hKhaQ


Looks like the upperdeck cargo area. I assume they share the same lavs the pilots use? If so, will the waste be classified as HAZMAT and will the aircraft also need to be thoroughly disinfected once the evac is done?
 
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Vietnam bans all flights to Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan until 1 May 20

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Vietnam has now reversed the ban on flights to Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 39456?s=20


It was a bit silly banning flights to Taiwan as even though there might be territorial claims to it, it is essentially a completely different country with only a few cases of the virus being reported.
 
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Cathay Dragon cancel flights from HKG to HAK, SYX, NGB, WNZ and HGH for 2 and 3 Feb 20

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 12162?s=20
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Etihad should suspend all China services until May 1.
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American has cancelled services to HKG from LAX and DFW for the next few days

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Royal Jordanian has conducted a complete sterilization and disinfection to the 788 at AMM after completing rescue flight to WUH

https://twitter.com/HofmannAviation/sta ... 45504?s=20
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Don't want to sound overly negative, but how long will it take to bankrupt the first airlines after China flights and income are stopped? Leases and staff have to be paid. Won't this change the airline world and affect aircraft manufacturers too?
 
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33 students from Wuhan arrived back in Sri Lanka today morning on a special charter operated by UL.

https://www.newsfirst.lk/2020/02/01/air ... sri-lanka/

https://www.newsfirst.lk/2020/02/01/sri ... -to-wuhan/

Second link has a photo from the flight deck.
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Royal Jordanian has conducted a complete sterilization and disinfection to the 788 at AMM after completing rescue flight to WUH

https://twitter.com/HofmannAviation/sta ... 45504?s=20


Thank you for sharing this info. I was thinking airlines may have to park few days for virus to die down from cabin surfaces.
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Don't want to sound overly negative, but how long will it take to bankrupt the first airlines after China flights and income are stopped? Leases and staff have to be paid. Won't this change the airline world and affect aircraft manufacturers too?


The impact of this is going to last for some time, even after airlines start flying back into China we will see the impact last for a lot longer. Qantas CEO said a few days ago it will be its going to be survival of the fittest. No doubt we will see some airlines fall over from this. You would think new startups Starlux and Bamboo may struggle. This Coronavirus outbreak may be the final nail in the coffin for Hong Kong Airlines, cant really see them survive this. Chinese airlines are obviously the most vulnerable. No doubt we are going to see aircraft orders either deferred or cancelled. Its going to be a struggle for some airlines however its too early to tell what will happen

https://fortune.com/2020/01/30/qantas-c ... d-flights/
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Vietnam bans all flights to Mainland China, Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan until 1 May 20

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https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 05249?s=20


Vietnam has now reversed the ban on flights to Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 39456?s=20


It was a bit silly banning flights to Taiwan as even though there might be territorial claims to it, it is essentially a completely different country with only a few cases of the virus being reported.


// Bit of political, but the only explanation for Vietnam's decision

Vietnam has never recognised Taiwan as an independent country. Vietnam may have some 'small' problems with the PRC gov if Vietnam do that. And if Taiwan is a part of China PR, why TW is not banned when the Vietnamese gov told that to 'ban all the flight to Chinese territories ?'

However, only 'ban flights to the mainland' is much more reasonable (at least with the Taiwanese people) and save the business of the Cathay family, EVA, China AL and Starlux, as well as the Vietnamese carriers who are operating flights to Macau, Taiwan and Hong Kong.


// Non-political and also a bit of non-aviation here

In fact in Vietnam we don't often differentiate between Taiwanese and [mainland] Chinese. When ever a Vietnamese heard an Asian speak Chinese, that person is Chinese. As a result, when Vietnamese believe 'The Chineses spread the viruses', Taiwaneses is included, and when Vietnameses want to minimize the number of Chineses in Vietnam, again, Taiwanese is Chinese. That a sad story that I see in Vietnam and I found no way to change it :(

Anyway, congrat JX that they can continue their DAD route :D
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Don't want to sound overly negative, but how long will it take to bankrupt the first airlines after China flights and income are stopped? Leases and staff have to be paid. Won't this change the airline world and affect aircraft manufacturers too?


The impact of this is going to last for some time, even after airlines start flying back into China we will see the impact last for a lot longer. Qantas CEO said a few days ago it will be its going to be survival of the fittest. No doubt we will see some airlines fall over from this. You would think new startups Starlux and Bamboo may struggle. This Coronavirus outbreak may be the final nail in the coffin for Hong Kong Airlines, cant really see them survive this. Chinese airlines are obviously the most vulnerable. No doubt we are going to see aircraft orders either deferred or cancelled. Its going to be a struggle for some airlines however its too early to tell what will happen

https://fortune.com/2020/01/30/qantas-c ... d-flights/


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Sat Feb 01, 2020 3:01 pm

qf789 wrote:
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Don't want to sound overly negative, but how long will it take to bankrupt the first airlines after China flights and income are stopped? Leases and staff have to be paid. Won't this change the airline world and affect aircraft manufacturers too?


The impact of this is going to last for some time, even after airlines start flying back into China we will see the impact last for a lot longer. Qantas CEO said a few days ago it will be its going to be survival of the fittest. No doubt we will see some airlines fall over from this. You would think new startups Starlux and Bamboo may struggle. This Coronavirus outbreak may be the final nail in the coffin for Hong Kong Airlines, cant really see them survive this. Chinese airlines are obviously the most vulnerable. No doubt we are going to see aircraft orders either deferred or cancelled. Its going to be a struggle for some airlines however its too early to tell what will happen

https://fortune.com/2020/01/30/qantas-c ... d-flights/


I think it would make sense for goverments to recognise the intensity of problems this unexpected misfortune is having on airlines and in the interest of the world economy offer financal support to airlines (free money/loans at preferential rates) to protect the world and its airline system by compensating airlines for not flying to or in China. If it was OK for the UK government to double national debt from about 40% of GDP to about 80% of GDP to save UK banks 2008 onwards, I think it will be OK for governments to protect the air transport industry at a tiny fraction of that cost.
 
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Antaras wrote:
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qf789 wrote:

Vietnam has now reversed the ban on flights to Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 39456?s=20


It was a bit silly banning flights to Taiwan as even though there might be territorial claims to it, it is essentially a completely different country with only a few cases of the virus being reported.


// Bit of political, but the only explanation for Vietnam's decision

Vietnam has never recognised Taiwan as an independent country. Vietnam may have some 'small' problems with the PRC gov if Vietnam do that. And if Taiwan is a part of China PR, why TW is not banned when the Vietnamese gov told that to 'ban all the flight to Chinese territories ?'

However, only 'ban flights to the mainland' is much more reasonable (at least with the Taiwanese people) and save the business of the Cathay family, EVA, China AL and Starlux, as well as the Vietnamese carriers who are operating flights to Macau, Taiwan and Hong Kong.


// Non-political and also a bit of non-aviation here

In fact in Vietnam we don't often differentiate between Taiwanese and [mainland] Chinese. When ever a Vietnamese heard an Asian speak Chinese, that person is Chinese. As a result, when Vietnamese believe 'The Chineses spread the viruses', Taiwaneses is included, and when Vietnameses want to minimize the number of Chineses in Vietnam, again, Taiwanese is Chinese. That a sad story that I see in Vietnam and I found no way to change it :(

Anyway, congrat JX that they can continue their DAD route :D


It was actually quite messy anyway...

VJ976, for example, was turned back 20 mins away from HKG and divert to DAD, only to eventually "clear" to fly to HKG later in the evening.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 6#23b85b09 (The initial flight)
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... 7#23b93eb2 (The current flight)
 
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HiFly A380 on the way to WUH from HAN

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 68256?s=21
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Following guidance from HHS, Delta is suspending all flights to China effective immediately and will operate the last flights from the US to China today with flights operating back from China tomorrow. This has been move up a week ahead of schedule and flights are suspended thru April 30 at the earliest.
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Someone on here replied Corona was the media’s “flavor of the day.” I actually like that comment. However even if it “is or is not,” I feel we can expect 3-6 months of disruption to normal air travel surrounding China and much of Asian continent at a minimum with this illness as it is now, if we observe the history of SARS. In any illness threat, recognition and containment is key.

Yes I know Eurasian continent but I think one grasps my semantics. Will be interesting to see the IATA and IOTA, data after all is said and done.
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