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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:10 am

Air New Zealand is cancelling their route to Seoul from 08 March to 30 June. I wonder how many other airlines will cancel routes to South Korea in the next 7 days...
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:26 am

Kilopond wrote:
Not totally off-topic but very closely related: Austria has halted cross-border railway traffic with Italy.

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-austr ... a-52493063


Romania will put in quarantine passengers coming from Northern Italy. So this will start having an effect in intra-European traffic.

https://www.romaniajournal.ro/society-p ... n-romania/
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:51 am

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Air New Zealand is cancelling their route to Seoul from 08 March to 30 June. I wonder how many other airlines will cancel routes to South Korea in the next 7 days...


I would expect that South Korea is about to take a big hit as ICN bound bookings will cancel. NZ-s move is just a start.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:53 am

I wonder if airlines will start canceling flights into Milan as a result of the spike there. Or perhaps the reaction would be different to that of non Western-European counties.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:15 am

Maybe it is a little off topic and full of speculation, but situations in Japan are more serious than South Korea. The central government of Japan seems that they care more about their Olympics and are reluctant to take measures against the domestic transimission of the virus.Hopefully not, but it is likely we will read more bad news in Japan...
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:30 am

The hysteria surrounding this outbreak will slow down aircraft deliveries significantly in the second half of this year.
Perhaps the effect will go well into 2021.

With record high delivery rate for all aircraft excepted the 737 MAX, one must accept the fact the whole thing could look like a train wreck in the first half of 2021.

Someone rational would almost say the outbreak is a "blessing in disguise" for Boeing and 737 MAX when air travel may go down significantly in the first half of 2020.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:09 am

https://www.dawn.com/news/1536333/pia-s ... irus-scare

"PIA suspends flights to Beijing till March 15 due to coronavirus scare
RAWALPINDI: The Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) has decided to suspend its flights to Beijing till March 15 because of novel coronavirus that has left nearly 2,500 people dead in China.
The national flag carrier operates its Islamabad-Beijing-Tokyo flight twice a week.
PIA spokesman Abdullah Hafeez told Dawn that the airline had decided to suspend its flights due to coronavirus, adding that the operation would be resumed keeping the situation in view.
Earlier, Pakistan had suspended its flight operation to and from China on Jan 30 for three days."

Pakistan had kept flights to China operational during the last couple of months in support of the chinese government ,but it seems brotherhood also has a limit.
It seems the spate of cases around the world has frightened them into action.
Whether they evacuate their 2000 odd students from the petri dish that is wuhan remains to be seen. Till now they haven't evacuated one Pakistani, while India Bangladesh, Maldives, Nepal,Sri Lanka, basically all neighbors have evacuated their citizens.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:17 am

With Air New Zealand suspending flights to ICN, I guess it’s only a matter of days, maybe hours, before other carriers do the same. Flight suspensions to Japan could be next as well.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:46 am

reply1984 wrote:
Maybe it is a little off topic and full of speculation, but situations in Japan are more serious than South Korea. The central government of Japan seems that they care more about their Olympics and are reluctant to take measures against the domestic transimission of the virus.Hopefully not, but it is likely we will read more bad news in Japan...

Well Korean government care more about appeasing Xi Jinping of PR China and very reluctant to take measures to reduce influx of coronavirus so I'd say Korea is in no less serious situation than Japan is.
Btw Koreans started to get rejected from about a dozen countries - that is not the case with Japan.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 8:52 am

asuflyer wrote:
Israel has refused entry to non-Israeli pax on KE957. The pax were sent back to ICN after two South Koreans in Israel were found to have coronavirus. The pax who were due to return on KE958 will be repatriated on charter flights.

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https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/South ... ars-618419


One thing of note is Israel only issued refusal to enter after KE957 had departed. So it must have come as a big surprise for the people onboard. Probably the fact that more than a dozen people on pilgrimage to Jerusalem were tested corona positive after returning to Korea had direct effect on this. (The fact was revealed when KE957 was in flight to TLV)
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:01 am

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Romania will put in quarantine passengers coming from Northern Italy. So this will start having an effect in intra-European traffic.


Looking at MXP and LIN international traffic, it seems like the UK, Spain, France and Germany are the ones with the highest pax volume.

If EU countries start quarantining pax from Italian flights, are we expecting high volume intra-EU cancellations?
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:05 am

downtown273 wrote:
SCQ83 wrote:
Romania will put in quarantine passengers coming from Northern Italy. So this will start having an effect in intra-European traffic.


Looking at MXP and LIN international traffic, it seems like the UK, Spain, France and Germany are the ones with the highest pax volume.

If EU countries start quarantining pax from Italian flights, are we expecting high volume intra-EU cancellations?


If they will really start canceling flights to Italy (and to any other countries as soon as the cases will increase in other countries) it means the death of European airlines.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:11 am

Taiwan's CDC just ordered 14-day quarantine for all travelers origin from S. Korea, effective from 2/25/20.
Korean Airlines (B748x1 & 739x1 daily), Asiana Airlines (A380x1 & A333 x1 daily), China Airlines, EVA Airways, and LCCs (Jin Air, Air Busan, Jeju Air, T'way, and Tiger Taiwan) will soon reduce flights.
It seems that Thai Airways might suspend its 5th freedom BKK-TPE-ICN route soon.
CX's 5th freedom TPE-ICN flight was suspended already.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:21 am

VV wrote:
The hysteria surrounding this outbreak will slow down aircraft deliveries significantly in the second half of this year.
Perhaps the effect will go well into 2021.

With record high delivery rate for all aircraft excepted the 737 MAX, one must accept the fact the whole thing could look like a train wreck in the first half of 2021.

Someone rational would almost say the outbreak is a "blessing in disguise" for Boeing and 737 MAX when air travel may go down significantly in the first half of 2020.


Is it though? A blessing in disguise for the customers who ordered the Max, yes, - they are getting compensation from Boeing and also not paying $ for capacity they don't need. In fact some of those customer might reconsider their earlier order for the max. At the very least the grounding gives them room to rejig or postpone their order until the market condition improves. i.e. look at what QF did with their 787 order
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:27 am

VV wrote:
Someone rational would almost say the outbreak is a "blessing in disguise" for Boeing and 737 MAX when air travel may go down significantly in the first half of 2020.


How is it a blessing when Boeing still has to pay penalties for being late with delivery. Airlines might be happy that they will not get a plane they have no need for because of corona and still get paid for late delivery. I see zero upside for Boeing in this.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:30 am

Strato2 wrote:
VV wrote:
Someone rational would almost say the outbreak is a "blessing in disguise" for Boeing and 737 MAX when air travel may go down significantly in the first half of 2020.


How is it a blessing when Boeing still has to pay penalties for being late with delivery. Airlines might be happy that they will not get a plane they have no need for because of corona and still get paid for late delivery. I see zero upside for Boeing in this.

The only possibility I could see is Boeing not having to compensate airlines as much since Boeing could argue that the carriers, especially the Chinese carriers, wouldn’t be flying anyway.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:45 am

Did anyone mentioned here that Bamboo canceled every one of their Korean flights???
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:14 am

Airbus, Boeing, GE and others are about to see a big chunk of their supply chain closed once Italy and Japan will go in shutdown.

At the beginning of the thread i was wondering why Air France stock was climbing 5% despite closures of China routes. Well today it's down 9%, cancelling of that temporary gain.
I don't understand at all that the stock markets didn t see this coming.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:22 am

Looks like more travel bans might be coming up and industry supplies will dry up. So more industries and countries will be affected. There lies some tough summer season ahead for the airlines. Business travel might wait for corona to calm down before returning.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:33 am

Antaras wrote:
Did anyone mentioned here that Bamboo canceled every one of their Korean flights???


That would be 1 daily return flight cancelled (DAD-ICN and CXR-ICN fly on alternate days).

"Every one of their Korean Flights" suggested there was more than a daily flight, which there wasn't. HAN is scheduled, at this stage, to start in June or July to ICN, and this was not covered by the announcement.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:38 am

Strato2 wrote:
VV wrote:
Someone rational would almost say the outbreak is a "blessing in disguise" for Boeing and 737 MAX when air travel may go down significantly in the first half of 2020.


How is it a blessing when Boeing still has to pay penalties for being late with delivery. Airlines might be happy that they will not get a plane they have no need for because of corona and still get paid for late delivery. I see zero upside for Boeing in this.


It could even free up some earlier slots on Airbus models, if airlines are postponing Airbus deliveries due to a longer lasting Corona impact.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:53 pm

A little bit off-topic but Hong Kong joins the ranks of banning visitors from South Korea:

And they raised travelling alert to "Red", the second highest one: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/202 ... 400639.htm
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:56 pm

SQ announced a new round of flight reduction. This will result in a 7.1% decrease in the scheduled capacity (measured in available seat-kilometres) from February to end-May 2020. https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg/m ... d=iz3bp6o4
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:27 pm

It is really sad to see how we Italians are so good complaining and insulting ourself in our few "domestic" websites, ruled by about 20 "genius feeling" members (for example in looooong digressions about the meaning of wingtips or making fun of others), and in the many international, important websites are incapable to share infos and comments...
The real, sad news of these days is that Italy is the third country in the world for Covid-19 infected (220 people) with 5 dead!
Italy is at third place after China and South Korea!
Lombardia, Liguria, Emilia Romagna, Piemonte, Trentino Alto Adige, Veneto, Friuli Venezia Giulia regions are quarantined, the situation is really bad and the number of infected is growing hour per hour.
Even in my hospital in Rome there are 3 infected and many more are waiting for the result of the buffer.
About civil aviation, an Alitalia airplane with 300 passengers on board departed Rome FCO yesterday evening and landed at Mauritius today morning, has been blocked at the airport because of 70 passengers coming from the regions where the virus is more present.
They can decide to be quarantined at Port Louis or to go back to Italy.
40 of them have already decided to give up the holiday retunring to Italy.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:28 pm

Given that South Korea has basically locked down daegu, I wonder how much longer before koreasn air and asiana start to cut back their flights to North America and Europe.

Same with north America to Japan flights.

If we keep going at this pace, the tatl summer flights are going to get trimmed back too.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:44 pm

Alitalia airplane "quarantined" at Mauritius airport is flight AZ 772.
Italian foreign ministry is following the situation giving help to Italian passengers at Port Louis.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:44 pm

London Stock Exchange, 1330 Feb 24

Easyjet -15%
IAG -8%
TUI -8%
Wizz Air -10%
Looks like investors see COVID-19 as a major threat to airline profitability.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:49 pm

The good news for Alitalia is that when this is over, they will be the only airline left in the world.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:15 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
VV wrote:
The hysteria surrounding this outbreak will slow down aircraft deliveries significantly in the second half of this year.
Perhaps the effect will go well into 2021.

With record high delivery rate for all aircraft excepted the 737 MAX, one must accept the fact the whole thing could look like a train wreck in the first half of 2021.

Someone rational would almost say the outbreak is a "blessing in disguise" for Boeing and 737 MAX when air travel may go down significantly in the first half of 2020.


It will only cause early 757 and 767 retirements due to the EIS year of those types. No impacts to other types, as even a 30 year old A320 is worth several times more than a 2010 built 763.


Apparently not. viewtopic.php?t=1440991
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:18 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
The good news for Alitalia is that when this is over, they will be the only airline left in the world.


There's always Air India :duck: :duck: :duck:

reply1984 wrote:
SQ announced a new round of flight reduction. This will result in a 7.1% decrease in the scheduled capacity (measured in available seat-kilometres) from February to end-May 2020. https://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/sg/m ... d=iz3bp6o4


Seems like most of the cuts are in May...I guess it's preemptive base on current bookings?

Meanwhile, the cuts keep coming for South Korea:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-24feb20/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-21feb20/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-21feb20/

I seriously wonder whether those South Korean LCCs, or even KE/OZ, will survive.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:26 pm

berari wrote:
I wonder if airlines will start canceling flights into Milan as a result of the spike there. Or perhaps the reaction would be different to that of non Western-European counties.


It gets to two central questions:

Should other countries have faith in the comprehensiveness of Italian quarantine? (That was Japan's huge fail with the cruise ship.)

Should other countries have faith in the case/fatality/dispersion information made public?

Italy has a lot of foreign visitors, if not as many as France and Spain.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:58 pm

As this happens it is obvious that the WHO, national organisations comparable to the FAA and CDC have not performed as they should. Surely there needs to be standard procedures for cancelling flights, arranging repatriation flights, establishing self-isolations, quarantines. People subject to these things need to be assured that their important needs will be taken care of, and probably they should be getting 'unemployment' insurances so they could meet critical financial needs. The later would effectively help stave off a recession.

ps - The US CDC and FAA have performed fairly well. The cruise ship people should have been evacuated earlier, but I understand Japan was slow to approve flights. Assuming the world gets this under control, there needs to be a general agreement on dealing with potential epidemics and the role of aviation - avoiding spread of disease, repatriation of those sick, and those exposed.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:15 pm

Got a family trip on 13 March to DXB on EK to visit my expat sister and her family, so clearly I'm watching this closely.

In any case, my heart goes out to those directly and indirectly affected.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:23 pm

No bans announced, but Vietnamese carriers are reportedly canceling their SKorean services... The number of flights between Korea and Vietnam will be reduced by 80%, worsening the fact that Vietnam's number of int'l flights has been reduced by 40%.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:42 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
As this happens it is obvious that the WHO, national organisations comparable to the FAA and CDC have not performed as they should. Surely there needs to be standard procedures for cancelling flights, arranging repatriation flights, establishing self-isolations, quarantines. People subject to these things need to be assured that their important needs will be taken care of, and probably they should be getting 'unemployment' insurances so they could meet critical financial needs. The later would effectively help stave off a recession.

ps - The US CDC and FAA have performed fairly well. The cruise ship people should have been evacuated earlier, but I understand Japan was slow to approve flights. Assuming the world gets this under control, there needs to be a general agreement on dealing with potential epidemics and the role of aviation - avoiding spread of disease, repatriation of those sick, and those exposed.


Agree that CDC and FAA, as well as similar ministers and organizations from other countries, reacted well with the epidemic (except China mainland at the start, but now ok).
However, WHO is doing shiet. The most meaningful thing that WHO did is renaming the epidemic to Covid-19 and the virus to SARS-CoV-2.
Still waiting for a WHO-level action (nah I don't need some more talk or criticism from WHO), especially assisting countries on handling flights connect with JP, KR, and CN mainland.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:53 pm

Oman Air has suspended flights to Iran, after 2 pax arrived in Muscat with Coronavirus symptoms.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKCN20I1LL
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:41 pm

IATA has forecast that the impact of Coronavirus is total global lost revenue of $29.3 billion (5% lower passenger revenues compared to what IATA forecast in December) and represent a 4.7% hit to global demand. In December, IATA forecast global RPK growth of 4.1%, so this loss would more than eliminate expected growth this year, resulting in a 0.6% global contraction in passenger demand for 2020.
https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-02-20-01/
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:43 pm

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No bans announced, but Vietnamese carriers are reportedly canceling their SKorean services... The number of flights between Korea and Vietnam will be reduced by 80%, worsening the fact that Vietnam's number of int'l flights has been reduced by 40%.

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And it's not great news for Tourism sector in Vietnam either. Between Mainland China (~32%) and South Korea (~24%) that's 56% of all visitors to Vietnam (2019 statistic). Throw in Japan (~5.3%) and Taiwan (~5.2%) you're talking about losing 2/3 of annual tourists/visitors to Vietnam.

Aviation-wise, this will affect DAD and CXR a lot more than HAN and SGN. DAD in particular usually sees at least 15 flights daily just from ICN, and I just can't see anybody flying that route at least for a month.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:12 pm

This is going to get a lot worse. Now it's not just China - China, Iran, Italy and South Korea have large uncontained outbreaks. Who knows where this will end.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:25 pm

gunnerman wrote:
IATA has forecast that the impact of Coronavirus is total global lost revenue of $29.3 billion (5% lower passenger revenues compared to what IATA forecast in December) and represent a 4.7% hit to global demand. In December, IATA forecast global RPK growth of 4.1%, so this loss would more than eliminate expected growth this year, resulting in a 0.6% global contraction in passenger demand for 2020.
https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-02-20-01/


4 days ago is old news. With COVID19 paralysing Italy, we could see things that 1 month were unthinkable (e.g. stopping US-Italy flights?).
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:03 pm

KU has suspended MXP and BKK. While BKK may be a surprise to some there is speculation that the government there may not be accurately reporting the number of cases.

https://www.kuna.net.kw/ArticleDetails. ... anguage=en
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:06 pm

Bahrain bans flights to/from both Dubai International and Sharjah International Airports for 48 hours. Bahrain’s latest confirmed Corona Virus case flew in from Iran via Dubai.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:07 pm

Some of us have suggested an early and temporary suspension of all flights, globally.
It would have been so much cheaper, easier and less disruptive than what is about to happen next.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:16 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Antaras wrote:
No bans announced, but Vietnamese carriers are reportedly canceling their SKorean services... The number of flights between Korea and Vietnam will be reduced by 80%, worsening the fact that Vietnam's number of int'l flights has been reduced by 40%.

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And it's not great news for Tourism sector in Vietnam either. Between Mainland China (~32%) and South Korea (~24%) that's 56% of all visitors to Vietnam (2019 statistic). Throw in Japan (~5.3%) and Taiwan (~5.2%) you're talking about losing 2/3 of annual tourists/visitors to Vietnam.

Aviation-wise, this will affect DAD and CXR a lot more than HAN and SGN. DAD in particular usually sees at least 15 flights daily just from ICN, and I just can't see anybody flying that route at least for a month.

Aside from that, I would bet you that tourism from Western countries is down too. I cancelled my trip there in march.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:28 pm

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Some of us have suggested an early and temporary suspension of all flights, globally.
It would have been so much cheaper, easier and less disruptive than what is about to happen next.


To whom did you suggest this?
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:28 pm

So, knowing many avoid non-av around here a PSA for those with stakes in the airline industry:

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2020/02/13/ ... ronavirus/

Airport authorities have the most control over this, but everyone has an opportunity to improve hygiene somewhere. Airports should install hand sanitizer stations, post reminders for travelers to wash their hands, increase surface disinfection, even go the extra mile and where plumbing is available install sinks with hand soap in non bathroom locations to encourage travelers to wash their hands.

Airline employees, just take any opportunity to improve hand hygiene and be thorough about surface disinfection.

The more travel associated infection is reduced, the better the outcome for the airline industry. You don't want people to be afraid of travel, so do everything you can to calm fears.
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:40 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
This is going to get a lot worse. Now it's not just China - China, Iran, Italy and South Korea have large uncontained outbreaks. Who knows where this will end.


I saw reports this weekend that people are avoiding movie theatres and Chinese restaurants in the U.S.
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:16 am

scbriml wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
Some of us have suggested an early and temporary suspension of all flights, globally.
It would have been so much cheaper, easier and less disruptive than what is about to happen next.


To whom did you suggest this?



It was suggested here, in this thread.

I believe that's what he's refering.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:38 am

5:50 pm: United Airlines withdraws 2020 forecast on coronavirus uncertainty

United Airlines withdrew its full-year 2020 forecast citing the impact of the outbreak and said it was seeing a roughly 100% decline in near-term demand to China. As a result of the outbreak, the company said it has suspended flights between the United States and Beijing, Chengdu, Shanghai and Hong Kong through April 24. “Due to the heightened uncertainty surrounding this outbreak, its duration, its impact on overall demand for air travel and the possibility the outbreak spreads to other regions, the Company is withdrawing all full-year 2020 guidance issued on January 21, 2020,” United said in a regulatory filing. —Reuters


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/24/coronav ... dates.html
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:22 am

I think we need to put an end of flights to japan and s Korea until we can get this under control

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