LAXintl wrote:

Singapore government being proactive to help its aviation sector. Today they announced a 6-month S$112m package to assist.

> Reduced aircraft landing and parking charges
> Assistance for ground handling companies
> Rental rebates for shops and cargo facilities.
> 15 percent property tax rebate

https://www.todayonline.com/singapore/b ... amid-covid
https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ ... de-through

MohawkWeekend wrote:

I might have missed it but have any US carriers formally stated that over all bookings are holding steady or declining? Not just to Asia but system wide.

scbriml wrote:

N212R wrote:

No one wants to talk about the two 747's used to bring back US citizens from the ill-fated cruise ship in Japan?

Sure. What do you want to say about them?

Aptivaboy wrote:

Sorry if this has already been posted; I looked and didn't see it. Apologies if I missed it. Fox News is reporting that a couple with the virus flew on Delta and Hawaiian to and within Hawaii, specifically HNL and OGG.

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/couple-c ... n-airlines

No idea if they were already infected at the time the flew on these planes and visited The Islands. I wonder if this will change how Hawaiian airports are doing business? As of last week, Hawaiian travel blogs and sites were reporting no special screening for visitors from Asia, whereas at least LAX was doing random screenings. Any ideas or thoughts?

Thanks,

Bob

Texas77 wrote:

scbriml wrote:

N212R wrote:

No one wants to talk about the two 747's used to bring back US citizens from the ill-fated cruise ship in Japan?

Sure. What do you want to say about them?

I was actually wondering what planes/airlines they used, came here to find the details, and nothing. Someone have the details?

and the genius editors at fox news think they flew to Japan on a 738. typical American "journalists" not bothering to actually do any research at all. well, other than posting some tweets they read, which seems to qualify as actual news coverage nowadays...

Aptivaboy wrote:

and the genius editors at fox news think they flew to Japan on a 738. typical American "journalists" not bothering to actually do any research at all. well, other than posting some tweets they read, which seems to qualify as actual news coverage nowadays...

Actually, at no point did they say that the couple flew on a 738. Fox News offered stock photos of a Delta 737 to illustrate Delta Airlines, and of a Hawaiian A330 to illustrate Hawaiian Airlines, nothing more. Given that most flyers don't know what kind f a plane they're on but can identify the airline from its colors and livery, that makes sense. The photo captions even state, "istock," to make the point that these are stock photos, not photos of the actual aircraft in question.

Not trying to pick a fight, but it seems that you're perhaps taking the photos too literally, and not, "in the spirit," as they are meant to be.

Have a great day, everyone. Back to teaching these juniors now that lunch has ended. Did I mention they're... Unmotivated????? Please pray for me!

Texas77 wrote:

Aptivaboy wrote:

and the genius editors at fox news think they flew to Japan on a 738. typical American "journalists" not bothering to actually do any research at all. well, other than posting some tweets they read, which seems to qualify as actual news coverage nowadays...

Actually, at no point did they say that the couple flew on a 738. Fox News offered stock photos of a Delta 737 to illustrate Delta Airlines, and of a Hawaiian A330 to illustrate Hawaiian Airlines, nothing more. Given that most flyers don't know what kind f a plane they're on but can identify the airline from its colors and livery, that makes sense. The photo captions even state, "istock," to make the point that these are stock photos, not photos of the actual aircraft in question.

Not trying to pick a fight, but it seems that you're perhaps taking the photos too literally, and not, "in the spirit," as they are meant to be.

Have a great day, everyone. Back to teaching these juniors now that lunch has ended. Did I mention they're... Unmotivated????? Please pray for me!

WIederling wrote:

lightsaber wrote:

As someone on the "vendor side" of aviation, this is a definitive black swan situation. It will, in my opinion, take over a year for growth to require more aircraft.

What do you propose?
Fly anyway?
Spread the virus even faster for a "better epidemic" ?
I suppose some crafty person or other could get rich with selling protection.

Ziyulu wrote:

US carriers use 757s to Europe. How much further can Japan be from Hawaii?

acomp wrote:

Ziyulu wrote:

US carriers use 757s to Europe. How much further can Japan be from Hawaii?

Not sure Delta ever operated 757 scheduled service between HNL and Japan.
Maybe some charter flight?
They have ferried 757 to Japan for Intra-Japan & Japan-Micronesia services.

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in last 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is onboard this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in the preceding 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is on board of this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

Kno wrote:

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in the preceding 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is on board of this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

I’m guessing a lot of this might be connecting traffic to asian destinations less affected by the virus.

For example, back in December I bought a ticket on Air China from jfk-pek-hnd round trip for barely over $500 for a vacation at the end of March.

It looks like I’ll have to cancel that trip - frankly I’m not so worried about getting the virus, I’m more worried about getting detained and quarantined or some new precaution occurring during the trip that prevents me from returning home.

theaviator380 wrote:

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in last 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is onboard this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

If you see around that plane, there are 3 more planes, PVG-YYZ, PVG-JFK both China Eastern as well as PVG-YUL (Air China)

Surprising isn't it ?

Kno wrote:

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in the preceding 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is on board of this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

I’m guessing a lot of this might be connecting traffic to asian destinations less affected by the virus.

For example, back in December I bought a ticket on Air China from jfk-pek-hnd round trip for barely over $500 for a vacation at the end of March.

It looks like I’ll have to cancel that trip - frankly I’m not so worried about getting the virus, I’m more worried about getting detained and quarantined or some new precaution occurring during the trip that prevents me from returning home.

workhorse wrote:

Kno wrote:

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in the preceding 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is on board of this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

I’m guessing a lot of this might be connecting traffic to asian destinations less affected by the virus.

For example, back in December I bought a ticket on Air China from jfk-pek-hnd round trip for barely over $500 for a vacation at the end of March.

It looks like I’ll have to cancel that trip - frankly I’m not so worried about getting the virus, I’m more worried about getting detained and quarantined or some new precaution occurring during the trip that prevents me from returning home.

Connecting TO: maybe. But connecting FROM? In my understanding, if you flew HND-PEK-JFK, you HAVE been on Chinese soil, so in principle you will be turned away / put in quarantaine / jailed / executed (joke) upon your arrival to JFK.

So the question remains: who is on board of B-2045 currently heading to JFK?

For Americans who traveled there in the past 14 days, the US Department of Homeland Security said there are a total of 11 designated airports -- including John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport -- where travelers can enter the United States.
Those airports, the government said, have more resources to conduct enhanced screening procedures.
If passengers are screened and show no symptoms they will be re-booked to their final destination and asked to "self-quarantine" inside their home, DHS says

theaviator380 wrote:

Kno wrote:

workhorse wrote:

Curious.

There is an Air China 77W flying right now from PEK to JFK:

https://www.flightradar24.com/CCA981/23e97660

Since all foreign citizens who have been to China in the preceding 14 days have been reportedly banned from entering the US, who is on board of this plane? Only US citizens? And the crew? Are they allowed to disembark or do they have to fly both crews there and back?

I’m guessing a lot of this might be connecting traffic to asian destinations less affected by the virus.

For example, back in December I bought a ticket on Air China from jfk-pek-hnd round trip for barely over $500 for a vacation at the end of March.

It looks like I’ll have to cancel that trip - frankly I’m not so worried about getting the virus, I’m more worried about getting detained and quarantined or some new precaution occurring during the trip that prevents me from returning home.

How safe trip could be if someone has to visit US from EU in late March? would there be big risk of catching this nasty bug?

Waterbomber2 wrote:

workhorse wrote:

So the question remains: who is on board of B-2045 currently heading to JFK?

Americans including Chinese Americans who have family in China and are coming back + cargo + empty seats.

For Americans who traveled there in the past 14 days, the US Department of Homeland Security said there are a total of 11 designated airports -- including John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport -- where travelers can enter the United States.
Those airports, the government said, have more resources to conduct enhanced screening procedures.
If passengers are screened and show no symptoms they will be re-booked to their final destination and asked to "self-quarantine" inside their home, DHS says

Source: cnn

workhorse wrote:

Waterbomber2 wrote:

workhorse wrote:

So the question remains: who is on board of B-2045 currently heading to JFK?

Americans including Chinese Americans who have family in China and are coming back + cargo + empty seats.

For Americans who traveled there in the past 14 days, the US Department of Homeland Security said there are a total of 11 designated airports -- including John F. Kennedy International Airport, Los Angeles International Airport and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport -- where travelers can enter the United States.
Those airports, the government said, have more resources to conduct enhanced screening procedures.
If passengers are screened and show no symptoms they will be re-booked to their final destination and asked to "self-quarantine" inside their home, DHS says

Source: cnn

I see. Missed that bit of info. Thanks.

So, what about the crew? Can they get out of the airplane?

TC957 wrote:

I'm surprised the Kalitta 747's didn't use Yokota AFB for these evac flights instead of HND.

zakuivcustom wrote:

workhorse wrote:

Waterbomber2 wrote:

Americans including Chinese Americans who have family in China and are coming back + cargo + empty seats.


Source: cnn

I see. Missed that bit of info. Thanks.

So, what about the crew? Can they get out of the airplane?

Air crews are exempted.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... ronavirus/

Sec. 2(a): "Section 1 of this proclamation shall not apply to:"
Sec. 2(a)(vii): "any alien traveling as a nonimmigrant under section 101(a)(15)(C) or (D) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(15)(C) or (D), as a crewmember or any alien otherwise traveling to the United States as air or sea crew;"

VRHNM wrote:

Hong Kong Airlines have begun the process to sack around 400 employees, including 150-180 flight attendants (regardless of if they have chosen the option to take no pay leave).
400 employees account to approximately 10% of the company's workforce.

Source: https://inews.hket.com/article/2568669/ ... UpXx-s0wiw (Cantonese only)

acomp wrote:

Some Chinese news sites reported that HX's parent company Hainan Airlines might be taken over by government-owned airlines (Air China, China Eastern, and China Southern).
If so, it could spell the end of Hong Kong Airlines.

VRHNM wrote:

Rumour has it that CX crew operating these flights have not been required to self-quarantine for 14 days afterwards and have been rostered on other CX flights.

Waterbomber2 wrote:

Several Korean carriers are on the brink, pushed by the Novel Corona Virus crisis.

All of Asiana Airlines executives offer to resign amid low profit on coronavirus spread
Struggling Asiana Airlines declares emergency mode

Korean full-service carrier Asiana Airlines said Tuesday that all executives, including the CEO, have offered to resign to improve the company’s financial health, which has been severely hurt by the latest outbreak of the coronavirus that has cut into aviation services.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200218000829

JayinKitsap wrote:

In a strange twist, the airlines with MAX planes may be thankful, as Boeing is paying for the loss of use with the grounding. All of the other planes on the ground it is a cost to the airlines.

This is how extra flights come from Amsterdam to:

Los Angeles. Every Saturday between 2 and 20 May, performed by a Boeing 777-200ER.
San Francisco. Every Thursday between April 30 and May 28, performed by a Boeing 787-9.
Salt Lake City. Every Tuesday between April 28 and May 26, performed by a Boeing 787-9.
Boston. Every Tuesday between March 31 and April 28, performed by an Airbus A330-300.
Las Vegas. Wednesday 20 and 27 May, performed by a Boeing 787-9.
New York JFK. On Sunday 29 March, between 5 April and 3 May, and between 10 and 31 May. Performed by a Boeing 787-9 and a 777-200ER.
Edmonton. On Tuesday between 5 and 26 May, performed by an A330-200.
Toronto. On Thursdays between 2 and 28 April, performed by a Boeing 777-200ER.
Curacao. On Wednesday between 1 and 22 April, and on Wednesday and Friday between 29 April and 15 May. Carried out by an A330-200.
Bogota and Cartagena. On Monday between April 27 and May 25, performed by a Boeing 787-9.
Mumbai. On Saturdays between 4 and 25 April, between 2 and 6 May, and between 23 and 30 May. Performed by different types.
Bangalore. On Sundays between 3 and 17 May, and on Fridays between 22 and 31 May. Performed by a mix of 787-9 and 777-200ER.

From 10 March, KLM will change the type of aircraft deployed to Hong Kong from a Boeing 777-200ER to a Boeing 787-9. The latter has slightly less capacity. In addition, the aircraft types will in any case be changed in March to the following destinations:

Lagos (LOS)
Accra (ACC
Kigali (KGL) / Entebbe (EBB)
San José (SJO) / Liberia (LIR)
Las Vegas (LAS)
Calgary (YYC)
Minneapolis (MSP)
Atlanta (ATL)
Montreal (YUL)
Vancouver (YVR)
Rio de Janeiro (GIG)
Aruba (AUA) / Bonaire (BON)
Taipei (TPE) / Manila (MNL)

Waterbomber2 wrote:

Several Korean carriers are on the brink, pushed by the Novel Corona Virus crisis.

All of Asiana Airlines executives offer to resign amid low profit on coronavirus spread
Struggling Asiana Airlines declares emergency mode

Korean full-service carrier Asiana Airlines said Tuesday that all executives, including the CEO, have offered to resign to improve the company’s financial health, which has been severely hurt by the latest outbreak of the coronavirus that has cut into aviation services.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200218000829

ZazuPIT wrote:

Waterbomber2 wrote:

Several Korean carriers are on the brink, pushed by the Novel Corona Virus crisis.

All of Asiana Airlines executives offer to resign amid low profit on coronavirus spread
Struggling Asiana Airlines declares emergency mode

Korean full-service carrier Asiana Airlines said Tuesday that all executives, including the CEO, have offered to resign to improve the company’s financial health, which has been severely hurt by the latest outbreak of the coronavirus that has cut into aviation services.

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20200218000829

WaPo is reporting that South Korea is seeing a spike of new cases, including at least one death. Seems to be in and around Daegu. I would expect some knock-on effect to the carriers flying there, and more if the virus spreads in that nation.

ZazuPIT wrote:

WaPo is reporting that South Korea is seeing a spike of new cases, including at least one death. Seems to be in and around Daegu. I would expect some knock-on effect to the carriers flying there, and more if the virus spreads in that nation.

greenair727 wrote:

^very well could be. Is South Korea requiring 14-day isolation for all persons who had been in China? If not, and airlines are still flying there, we'll see more and more cases. There are now over 100 confirmed cases in S Korea.

lightsaber wrote:

My work already requires VP signature for flights transferring in Singapore. Double VP signatures for transfer through China or Hong Kong. If this breaks out, Japan and South Korea will be added. Daegu is Seoul adjacent... Not that far from ICN...