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Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:18 pm

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CNBC reporting ALPA is suing AA to get a restraining order to stop US-China flights for AA flights


APA, Not ALPA. Different union.


Yep, got them mixed up. Sorry
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:35 pm

Chinese social media now has plenty of videos of decontamination of trains and planes after journeys, are any measures being taken by foreign carriers especially on the non-China end? Given the diagramming, especially with East Asian carriers who presumably use the A/C on further routes not going into China, is there any procedure or documentation anyone knows of that's in place to prevent spread on board aircraft?
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:40 pm

I saw the interior of this Kalitta 747-400 after it had been converted on TV. It looked very strange to see the insides of a cargo plane with the seats of a regular passenger airliner. I believe the TV report said that the first flight out on that plane carried 195 passengers. It was hard to tell from the TV pics but it looked as if the seats on the Kalitta plane are 3-4-3. Obviously, they wouldn't have the top deck of the 747 for passenger use in a freighter but I would think they could have gotten more than 195 on board (if indeed that figure is correct). It apparently wasn't because of a lack of passengers ready to fly since they said they had to turn people away until another flight because of lack of capacity.

https://cargofacts.com/allposts/logisti ... ation-ops/


Also, this pic of the FO on another flight (obviously not a 747) looks absolutely eerie, truly like something out of a science fiction movie:

https://www.adn.com/alaska-news/2020/01 ... anchorage/
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:45 pm

Tried to get a complete list of who is still flying out of China by checking the outgoing routes on fr24 and then punching the names of the airlines in to Google News. This is what I came up with:

Europe:

Aeroflot
Air France (suspended)
Austrian Airlines (suspended)
Azerbaijan Airlines (offering refunds, suspedning in February for economic reasons, like every year)
Azur Air (flights from china empty)
British Airways (suspended)
Finnair (reduced service)
Iberia (suspended)
IrAero
KLM (suspedning)
LOT
Lufthansa (suspended)
Neos (suspended)
Nordwind Airlines (suspended)
Pegas Fly (suspended)
Royal Flight
S7 Airlines
SAS (suspended)
SkyUp Airlines (suspending)
Swiss (suspended)
Turkish Airlines (reduced schedule)
Ukraine Int. Airlines (suspended)
Ural Airlines (reduced schedule)
Virgin Atlantic (suspended)
Yakutia Airlines (suspended)

Asia: (excl. mainland China)

Aero Mongolia
AirAsia (Wuhan only cancelled?)
AirAsia X
Air Astana (suspended)
Air Busan (reduced schedule)
Air India (suspended)
Air KBZ (suspended)
Air Koryo (either reduced schedule or suspended)
Air Macau (reduced schedule)
Air Seoul (suspended)
All Nippon Airways (only Wuhan suspended?)
Ariana Afghan Airlines
Asiana Airlines (reduced schedule)
Bangkok Airways
Batik Air (suspended)
Batik Air Malaysia
Cambodia Airways
Cambodia Angkor Air
Cathay Dragon (reduced schedule)
Cathay Pacific (reduced schedule)
Cebu Pacific (reduced schedule)
Citilink
China Airlines (reduced schedule)
Eastar Jet (reduced schedule)
El Al (suspended)
Emirates
Etihad Airways
EVA Air (reduced schedule)
Garuda Indonesia
Himalaya Airlines (suspended)
Hong Kong Airlines (reduced schedule)
Hong Kong Express (reduced schedule)
IndiGo (reduced schedule)
Iraqi Airways
Japan Airlines
JC Airlines (cancellations due to low loads)
Jeju Air (reduced schedule)
Jetstar Asia (reduced schedule)
Jetstar Pacific
Jin Air (reduced schedule)
Korean Air (reduced schedule)
Lanmei Airlines (only Wuhan suspended?)
Lao Airlines (reduced schedule)
Lion Air (suspended)
Mahan Air
Malaysia Airlines (catering suspended)
Maldivian (suspended)
Mandarin Airlines (catering suspended)
MIAT Mongolian Airlines
Myanmar National Airlines (suspended)
Myanmar Airways International (suspended)
NewGen Airways (no longer exists... persumung error on fr24s part)
NokAir
NokScoot
Oman Air
Pakistan International Airlines
PAL Express (suspended)
Peach
Philippine Airlines (reduced schedule)
Philippines AirAsia
Qatar Airways
Royal Brunei Airlines
Saudia
SCAT (suspended)
Scoot (reduced schedule)
SilkAir
Singapore Airlines (reduced schedule)
Sky Angkor Airlines
Somon Air
Spring Airlines Japan
SriLankan Airlines
Sriwijaya Air (only Wuhan suspended)
Tigerair Taiwan (catering suspended)
Thai AirAsia
Thai Airways (fumigating aircraft)
Thai Lion Air (reduced schedule)
Thai Smile (fumigating aircraft)
Turkmenistan Airlines
T'way Air (reduced schedule)
Vietnam Airlines (reduced schedule)
UNI Air (reduced schedule)
US-Bangla Airlines
Uzbekistan Airways

Mainland China:

9 Air (reduced schedule)
Air China (reduced schedule)
Air Guilin
Capital Airlines (reduced schedule)
Chengdu Airlines
China Eastern Airlines (reduced schedule)
China Express Airlines
China Southern Airlines
China United Airlines
China West Air
Chongqing Airlines
Donghai Airlines
GX Airlines
Hainan Airlines
Hebei Airlines
Juneyao Airlines (reduced schedule)
Longhao Airlines
Loong Air
Lucky Air
Okay Airways (reduced schedule)
Qingdao Airlines
Ruili Airlines
Shandong Airlines
Shanghai Airlines (reduced schedule)
Shenzhen Airlines (reduced schedule)
Sichuan Airlines (reduced schedule)
Spring Airlines (reduced schedule)
Suparna Airlines
Tianjin Airlines
Tibet Airlines
Urumqi Airlines
Xiamen Air (reduced schedule)

North America:

Air Canada (suspended)
American Airlines (reduced schedule)
Delta Air Lines (reduced schedule)
United Airlines (reduced schedule)

Africa:

Air Algerie
Air Madagascar (suspended)
Air Mauritius (suspended)
EgyptAir (suspended)
Ethiopian Airlines
Kenya Airways
Royal Air Maroc (suspended)
RwandAir

Oceania:

Air New Zealand
Qantas

Freight carriers:

AirBridgeCargo Airlines
Air Horizont
ASL Airlines Belgium
Cargolux (suspended wildlife transport)
Cargolux Italia
Silk Way Airlines
Silk Way West Airlines
Sky Gates Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Air Incheon
CAL Cargo Air Lines
Cardig Air
Hong Kong Air Cargo
Nippon Cargo Airlines
China Cargo Airlines
China Postal Airlines
SF Airlines
YTO Cargo Airlines
FedEx
Polar Air Cargo

Unlikely that this is actually 100% accurate, as some airlines might not have been reported on and some reports might be outdated; but I feel like it gives a more complete view of how many airlines are actually reducing their China flights.
The Chinese Airlines with reduced schedules are mainly due to the package tourism ban from the Chinese Government. Treat that part of the list with more than a grain of salt as that's the most likely underreported one.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:58 pm

TK suspends China flights, "Flights to Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai, and Xi'an will be halted until February 9th"
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:08 am

Mecannoman wrote:
Tried to get a complete list of who is still flying out of China by checking the outgoing routes on fr24 and then punching the names of the airlines in to Google News. This is what I came up with:

Europe:

Aeroflot
Air France (suspended)
Austrian Airlines (suspended)
Azerbaijan Airlines (offering refunds, suspedning in February for economic reasons, like every year)
Azur Air (flights from china empty)
British Airways (suspended)
Finnair (reduced service)
Iberia (suspended)
IrAero
KLM (suspedning)
LOT
Lufthansa (suspended)
Neos (suspended)
Nordwind Airlines (suspended)
Pegas Fly (suspended)
Royal Flight
S7 Airlines
SAS (suspended)
SkyUp Airlines (suspending)
Swiss (suspended)
Turkish Airlines (reduced schedule)
Ukraine Int. Airlines (suspended)
Ural Airlines (reduced schedule)
Virgin Atlantic (suspended)
Yakutia Airlines (suspended)

Asia: (excl. mainland China)

Aero Mongolia
AirAsia (Wuhan only cancelled?)
AirAsia X
Air Astana (suspended)
Air Busan (reduced schedule)
Air India (suspended)
Air KBZ (suspended)
Air Koryo (either reduced schedule or suspended)
Air Macau (reduced schedule)
Air Seoul (suspended)
All Nippon Airways (only Wuhan suspended?)
Ariana Afghan Airlines
Asiana Airlines (reduced schedule)
Bangkok Airways
Batik Air (suspended)
Batik Air Malaysia
Cambodia Airways
Cambodia Angkor Air
Cathay Dragon (reduced schedule)
Cathay Pacific (reduced schedule)
Cebu Pacific (reduced schedule)
Citilink
China Airlines (reduced schedule)
Eastar Jet (reduced schedule)
El Al (suspended)
Emirates
Etihad Airways
EVA Air (reduced schedule)
Garuda Indonesia
Himalaya Airlines (suspended)
Hong Kong Airlines (reduced schedule)
Hong Kong Express (reduced schedule)
IndiGo (reduced schedule)
Iraqi Airways
Japan Airlines
JC Airlines (cancellations due to low loads)
Jeju Air (reduced schedule)
Jetstar Asia (reduced schedule)
Jetstar Pacific
Jin Air (reduced schedule)
Korean Air (reduced schedule)
Lanmei Airlines (only Wuhan suspended?)
Lao Airlines (reduced schedule)
Lion Air (suspended)
Mahan Air
Malaysia Airlines (catering suspended)
Maldivian (suspended)
Mandarin Airlines (catering suspended)
MIAT Mongolian Airlines
Myanmar National Airlines (suspended)
Myanmar Airways International (suspended)
NewGen Airways (no longer exists... persumung error on fr24s part)
NokAir
NokScoot
Oman Air
Pakistan International Airlines
PAL Express (suspended)
Peach
Philippine Airlines (reduced schedule)
Philippines AirAsia
Qatar Airways
Royal Brunei Airlines
Saudia
SCAT (suspended)
Scoot (reduced schedule)
SilkAir
Singapore Airlines (reduced schedule)
Sky Angkor Airlines
Somon Air
Spring Airlines Japan
SriLankan Airlines
Sriwijaya Air (only Wuhan suspended)
Tigerair Taiwan (catering suspended)
Thai AirAsia
Thai Airways (fumigating aircraft)
Thai Lion Air (reduced schedule)
Thai Smile (fumigating aircraft)
Turkmenistan Airlines
T'way Air (reduced schedule)
Vietnam Airlines (reduced schedule)
UNI Air (reduced schedule)
US-Bangla Airlines
Uzbekistan Airways

Mainland China:

9 Air (reduced schedule)
Air China (reduced schedule)
Air Guilin
Capital Airlines (reduced schedule)
Chengdu Airlines
China Eastern Airlines (reduced schedule)
China Express Airlines
China Southern Airlines
China United Airlines
China West Air
Chongqing Airlines
Donghai Airlines
GX Airlines
Hainan Airlines
Hebei Airlines
Juneyao Airlines (reduced schedule)
Longhao Airlines
Loong Air
Lucky Air
Okay Airways (reduced schedule)
Qingdao Airlines
Ruili Airlines
Shandong Airlines
Shanghai Airlines (reduced schedule)
Shenzhen Airlines (reduced schedule)
Sichuan Airlines (reduced schedule)
Spring Airlines (reduced schedule)
Suparna Airlines
Tianjin Airlines
Tibet Airlines
Urumqi Airlines
Xiamen Air (reduced schedule)

North America:

Air Canada (suspended)
American Airlines (reduced schedule)
Delta Air Lines (reduced schedule)
United Airlines (reduced schedule)

Africa:

Air Algerie
Air Madagascar (suspended)
Air Mauritius (suspended)
EgyptAir (suspended)
Ethiopian Airlines
Kenya Airways
Royal Air Maroc (suspended)
RwandAir

Oceania:

Air New Zealand
Qantas

Freight carriers:

AirBridgeCargo Airlines
Air Horizont
ASL Airlines Belgium
Cargolux (suspended wildlife transport)
Cargolux Italia
Silk Way Airlines
Silk Way West Airlines
Sky Gates Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Air Incheon
CAL Cargo Air Lines
Cardig Air
Hong Kong Air Cargo
Nippon Cargo Airlines
China Cargo Airlines
China Postal Airlines
SF Airlines
YTO Cargo Airlines
FedEx
Polar Air Cargo

Unlikely that this is actually 100% accurate, as some airlines might not have been reported on and some reports might be outdated; but I feel like it gives a more complete view of how many airlines are actually reducing their China flights.
The Chinese Airlines with reduced schedules are mainly due to the package tourism ban from the Chinese Government. Treat that part of the list with more than a grain of salt as that's the most likely underreported one.


Thanks for your work.

Where's the guy arguing that all service to/from China would be shut down by the end of the day yesterday?

There are two ways to make that happen:

1. The Chinese order it - not impossible
2. Individual countries order their carriers to terminate flights (some have - it's hard to argue that all will do so in the near-term)

The WHO action is based in part on concern that some countries lack the capacity for quarantine and treatment if infected passengers travel from China to these nations. The U.S. , UK, and Australia show they can screen and quarantine in remote areas. When people figure out that, upon return from China they'll be greeted by screenings, not loved ones, they won't go and carriers will cancel flights due to lack of demand.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:21 am

Looks like China is only allowing industrialized western nations + Japan to evacuate its citizens, while denying neighboring less advanced countries the same access to pull their citizens out. It’s almost getting Middle Eastern in terms of attitude in treating Westerners differently than South or South East Asians.

https://www.deccanherald.com/national/c ... 99852.html
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:09 am

:old:

As a reminder, this thread is about AVIATION.

If you desire to share broader health, social or political views you can do so in the ongoing thread in the Non-Av section.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:44 am

The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from there, Chicago/Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:08 am

Air India comes in to the rescue, looks like they will be sending one of their 744s (VT-ESP) to conduct this rescue flight. The flight is on-air as flight number AI1348 and will have a stop in Delhi to collect medical equipment before continuing to Wuhan.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:23 am

https://weibo.com/1699540307/Is0Jd1ECn? ... 0443193387

Upon requests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs PRC, Xiamen Air is sending out 2 planes today Jan 31 to Bangkok and Kota Kinabalu to bring back home Wuhan pax who are stranded there, operated by B738s in extra flights each crewed with 9 cabin staffers plus 1 doctor and 1 nurse.

MF says the aircraft have been thoroughly disinfected with all necessary protective measures in place for the ppl on the mission :praise:
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:53 am

American Airlines' DFW/LAX-PEK/PVG are all cancelled tomorrow, Jan 31.

DFW-PEK/PVG seem to be removed from bookings for a week or so starting tomorrow.

LAX-PEK removed between Jan 31 and Feb 2 while LAX-PVG removed between Jan 31 and Feb 5 (Feb 1 available)
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:09 am

Zoedyn wrote:
https://weibo.com/1699540307/Is0Jd1ECn?from=page_1002061699540307_profile&wvr=6&mod=weibotime&type=comment#_rnd1580443193387

Upon requests of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs PRC, Xiamen Air is sending out 2 planes today Jan 31 to Bangkok and Kota Kinabalu to bring back home Wuhan pax who are stranded there, operated by B738s in extra flights each crewed with 9 cabin staffers plus 1 doctor and 1 nurse.

MF says the aircraft have been thoroughly disinfected with all necessary protective measures in place for the ppl on the mission :praise:


I take it those passengers would be way happier being "stranded" in Malaysia/Thailand than flying back to Wuhan.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:14 am

^Are you joking? Whether or not its a serious issue directly impacts whether or not scheduled, commercial service should be suspended or not.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:24 am

greenair727 wrote:
The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from there, Chicago/Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/


He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected

As for limiting domestic travel, I think that would next to impossible unless the CDC/WHO started screening every passenger that comes into a US Airport which would be a very daunting task.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:40 am

piedmontf284000 wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from there, Chicago/Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/


He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected

As for limiting domestic travel, I think that would next to impossible unless the CDC/WHO started screening every passenger that comes into a US Airport which would be a very daunting task.


Regarding, "He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected." I haven't seen a clear timeline. But I have seen this:

"Last week, health officials said the woman, who is in her 60s, reported feeling sick when she arrived home to Chicago from Wuhan on Jan. 13. CDC officials say the woman's husband immediately started experiencing symptoms of the virus and that the wife is doing OK." (https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... icials-say)

and that

"The city of Cleveland confirmed to 19 News that the husband traveled to Cleveland for one day on Jan. 14" (https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/)

Some have said, asymptomatic people can be contagious. Also some sources say, it takes 2-14 days incubation. If the latter one is true, then Cleveland may be okay if he wasn't a carrier until 15 Jan, and he left CLE on 14 Jan. At least lets hope so.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:44 am

Meanwhile Emirates is operating a full schedule, but not without adequate precautions. Hand sanitizer and paper face masks are being distributed to all crew members operating the China flights, though use of the face masks seems to be meant for the layover rather than onboard use.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:49 am

greenair727 wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from there, Chicago/Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/


He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected

As for limiting domestic travel, I think that would next to impossible unless the CDC/WHO started screening every passenger that comes into a US Airport which would be a very daunting task.


Regarding, "He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected." I haven't seen a clear timeline. But I have seen this:

"Last week, health officials said the woman, who is in her 60s, reported feeling sick when she arrived home to Chicago from Wuhan on Jan. 13. CDC officials say the woman's husband immediately started experiencing symptoms of the virus and that the wife is doing OK." (https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... icials-say)

and that

"The city of Cleveland confirmed to 19 News that the husband traveled to Cleveland for one day on Jan. 14" (https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/)

Some have said, asymptomatic people can be contagious. Also some sources say, it takes 2-14 days incubation. If the latter one is true, then Cleveland may be okay if he wasn't a carrier until 15 Jan, and he left CLE on 14 Jan. At least lets hope so.



"CDC officials believe the man got infected one or two days ago. He was in Cleveland for less than 24 hours about two weeks ago. Amato said she did not know what he was doing in Cleveland, or where he visited."

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/01/ ... eland.html
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 6:54 am

greenair727 wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:
greenair727 wrote:
The 6th confirmed US case of Coronavirus is the husband of infected woman who returned to Chicago from Wuhan. Apparently he was just in Cleveland. Did he fly to/from there, Chicago/Cleveland? Does the US--and other non-China countries--need to limit domestic travel as well?

"...Ohio Department of Health spokeswoman Melanie Amato confirmed to 19 News that the husband was recently in Cleveland, but he did not show coronavirus-like symptoms during his time in the city.....Amato could not immediately provide a timetable of his stay in Cleveland, and could not confirm whether or not he was contagious."

https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/


He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected

As for limiting domestic travel, I think that would next to impossible unless the CDC/WHO started screening every passenger that comes into a US Airport which would be a very daunting task.


Regarding, "He was in Cleveland two weeks before he was infected." I haven't seen a clear timeline. But I have seen this:

"Last week, health officials said the woman, who is in her 60s, reported feeling sick when she arrived home to Chicago from Wuhan on Jan. 13. CDC officials say the woman's husband immediately started experiencing symptoms of the virus and that the wife is doing OK." (https://www.news5cleveland.com/news/loc ... icials-say)

and that

"The city of Cleveland confirmed to 19 News that the husband traveled to Cleveland for one day on Jan. 14" (https://www.cleveland19.com/2020/01/31/ ... cleveland/)

Some have said, asymptomatic people can be contagious. Also some sources say, it takes 2-14 days incubation. If the latter one is true, then Cleveland may be okay if he wasn't a carrier until 15 Jan, and he left CLE on 14 Jan. At least lets hope so.


Highly unlikely that he was contagious during his trip to Cleveland so soon after exposure.

However, who knows how many people were exposed to them in Chicago and on the flight from Wuhan, how many more are walking around across the US that are going around unknowingly spreading around the infection, cases that will only be confirmed in a few weeks?

We've seen this in the past with Ebola, that was contained, but the level of exposure here is much higher with dozens of direct flights between ChIna and the U.S.

Heck I was in Chinatown in San Francisco 15 days ago and it was packed. I crossed thousands of people and must have crossed dozens of people who've been in Wuhan in the last month. I could probably survive but if I infected my old man, he would be toast.
I think that Italy's initiative of ending flights should be duplicated by the rest of the EU, the US, Japan, Canada, Africa and these nations should be sending in doctors and nurses to China to fight this thing.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:17 am

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=165721 ... FailFlag=1

Interesting piece for a glimpse of how a Chinese airport/Chinese tier-3 city are coping in fight against coronavirus domestically :tapedshut:

The Chinese article says Sanya Airport on the southern tip of China's Hainan Island is starting to reject entry of arriving pax of Hubei origin (Hubei is the central Chinese province with Wuhan as capital), as per the spirit of a recent emergency meeting chaired by a local deputy mayor of Sanya City.

The meeting called for airlines to boost their political commitments and social responsibility in coordination with Sanya City Government to prevent coronavirus spread, by resolutely persuading pax with ID initials as 42 from flying to SYX (Per Chinese residential ID regime, a Chinese person of Hubei origin has his/her ID card # coded with 42 as initials).

Moreover, whichever airline flies any 42-initialed pax to SYX must be held responsible to return them home straight.
Any airline that slackens in the above tasks and causes any inflow of coronavirus-infected pax in Sanya City shall be responsible for all the financial costs incurred for related quarantine.

For such requirements, airlines attending the meeting expressed desire to look at a "red-headlined" official document which they hoped would help them better explain away such inconvenience to pax.

But the deputy mayor replied there is no so-called "red-headlined" official document to such measures of Sanya City, nor would they roll out such "red-headlined" official document; the call issued by the Chinese State Council is THE official document.

So airlines are reported to be enforcing the measures as required by Sanya City Government now :o

JustSomeDood wrote:
I take it those passengers would be way happier being "stranded" in Malaysia/Thailand than flying back to Wuhan.

Reports say all this is done out of Wuhan pax's own accord, who will pay for a seat onboard, not free-ride :razz:
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:34 am

I see that the British government have chartered a Wamos 747 -400( EC -KXN) from Wuhan to Brize Norton (WUH to BZZ). ETA in BZZ, Friday 31st; at approx 13.00GMT.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:59 am

All these airlines that are suspending and reducing flights to China...do some of them have other options to re-deploy those aircraft and slots for other flights somewhere else on such short notice...temporary increases on some high demand seasonal routes?
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:11 am

I'm aware of the Brize flight but what's the Suparna 747 to London for?
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:21 am

Why American, French and British governments do not us US3, AF and BA airplanes for the charter flights from Wuhan?
Are the personnel of Kalita, Wamos, Hifly less valuable and not entitled to the same level of protection?
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:31 am

dabc wrote:
Why American, French and British governments do not us US3, AF and BA airplanes for the charter flights from Wuhan?
Are the personnel of Kalita, Wamos, Hifly less valuable and not entitled to the same level of protection?


The aircraft have to be disinfected after the flights. Wet-lease aircraft can spend more time on the ground between flights without causing disruption to any schedules.

If BA flew a 747 to Wuhan and back the delays caused by having an aircraft out of service would cause more problems.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:50 am

Olly2185 wrote:
dabc wrote:
Why American, French and British governments do not us US3, AF and BA airplanes for the charter flights from Wuhan?
Are the personnel of Kalita, Wamos, Hifly less valuable and not entitled to the same level of protection?


The aircraft have to be disinfected after the flights. Wet-lease aircraft can spend more time on the ground between flights without causing disruption to any schedules.

If BA flew a 747 to Wuhan and back the delays caused by having an aircraft out of service would cause more problems.


They wouldn't because the China cuts allow for a lot of slack in widebody capacity at the mentionned airlines.
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:51 am

Olly2185 wrote:
dabc wrote:
Why American, French and British governments do not us US3, AF and BA airplanes for the charter flights from Wuhan?
Are the personnel of Kalita, Wamos, Hifly less valuable and not entitled to the same level of protection?


The aircraft have to be disinfected after the flights. Wet-lease aircraft can spend more time on the ground between flights without causing disruption to any schedules.

If BA flew a 747 to Wuhan and back the delays caused by having an aircraft out of service would cause more problems.

still cancelling all flights to China should produce overcapacity and planes grounded could be used for repatriation (to remote islands of course)
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 9:53 am

Shanghai Airlines has announced suspension of the Chengdu-Budapest flight between 4 February and 28 March and the Xi’an-Budapest flight between 6 February and 26 March.
Operation of the Shanghai-Budapest flight is to continue according to schedule.
There is no mention yet on Hainan CKG-BUD or CA PEK-BUD flights yet.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:05 am

Jetstar flight from MEL held on the tarmac for 2 hours at HBA after a Chinese pax fell ill - currently being assessed in Hospital

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 679a351d3f

Flew in to Hobart from MEL this morning, strange to see the total absence of Chinese tour groups.....
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:39 am

The Wamos Air 747 will be landing in around two hours in England, is it reasonable to expect this aircraft to then have a deep clean before going back into service? And will crew be going with passengers to be quarantined for two weeks?
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:45 am

Germany plans to send one of their military Airbus A310s (economy class config) today to pick up "healthy" german and other EU citizens from Wuhan. After arriving in Germany passengers will be isolated for up to two weeks. However China has not permitted the flight yet as they prefer non military foreign aircraft for evacuation flights for lower profile.

Update: They are on their way now.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:14 am

Japan confirms that following 3 positive test out of 206 pax on the first evacuation flight, 2 have tested positive on the second flight with 210 pax.

It is unclear if these pax have spent time together in Wuhan.

www.nhk.or.jp
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:22 am

Noshow wrote:
Germany plans to send one of their military Airbus A310s (economy class config) today to pick up "healthy" german and other EU citizens from Wuhan. After arriving in Germany passengers will be isolated for up to two weeks. However China has not permitted the flight yet as they prefer non military foreign aircraft for evacuation flights for lower profile.

Update: They are on their way now.



Unfortunately healthy person can still be carrier if I am not wrong ! I read in news earlier, 2 Japanese people who were on ANA evacuation flight have been tested positive for the virus !

I think US UK EU and ROW leaders should think about banning all Chinese carriers landing in respective countries....

Wamos Air flight PLM8471 is over Oslo now...due to land in 1 hour ! I also learnt some local residents are not happy about the decision of bringing evacuees to Wirral, near Liverpool - North West England as they fear of spread of this virus.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:43 am

NHK reporting that Japan has made the decision to close its borders to persons with a recent travel history to the Hubei province and/or people holding a passport issued by a Hubei administration.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:49 am

Italian news agencies reporting that the Chinese couple that has tested positive has landed in Milan a week before testing positive and have visited several cities in Italy before being isolated in Rome.

There could be dozens if not hundreds of carriers that have yet to show symptoms across the EU as we speak.

If this is allowed to continue, it has the potential to destroy the entire aviation industry in Europe and other continents within months and it will take years to rebuild, akin to the Islandic volcano saga.
It will start with airlines, but could also wreck havoc at MRO's and OEM's.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:14 pm

Many countries are advising or banning their citizens from travel to/from China, banning all aircraft from China, including freight flights. It is already having affects on various companies as supply chains are being cut off. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN1ZT374
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:28 pm

Italy has banned all flights from China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. Cathay Pacific have suspended flights.

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 69536?s=20
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:37 pm

LOT is suspending flights to China.

https://fakty.interia.pl/raporty/raport ... Id,4300596

Also yesterday LOT had a scare at Warsaw airport where a flight attendant informed the captain that one passenger looks sick. The passenger was taken to a waiting ambulance, while the rest of the passengers had to wait in the airplane until all clear was given from the ambulance.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:47 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
Italy has banned all flights from China, Taiwan, Hong Kong and Macau. Cathay Pacific have suspended flights.

https://twitter.com/JournoDannyAero/sta ... 69536?s=20


Good on Italy, brave and practical decision, other countries should follow soon...cargo is alright but commercial flight ? nah !
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:48 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Italian news agencies reporting that the Chinese couple that has tested positive has landed in Milan a week before testing positive and have visited several cities in Italy before being isolated in Rome.

There could be dozens if not hundreds of carriers that have yet to show symptoms across the EU as we speak.

If this is allowed to continue, it has the potential to destroy the entire aviation industry in Europe and other continents within months and it will take years to rebuild, akin to the Islandic volcano saga.
It will start with airlines, but could also wreck havoc at MRO's and OEM's.

not only aviation, any logistics, any production could be affected. all, not considering the possible unrest of the populations if the virus won't be contained. who cares about aviation if life is on the plate? we could stop flying (and moving) if in 6 months the situation could be solved.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 12:51 pm

theaviator380 wrote:
Noshow wrote:
Germany plans to send one of their military Airbus A310s (economy class config) today to pick up "healthy" german and other EU citizens from Wuhan. After arriving in Germany passengers will be isolated for up to two weeks. However China has not permitted the flight yet as they prefer non military foreign aircraft for evacuation flights for lower profile.

Update: They are on their way now.



Unfortunately healthy person can still be carrier if I am not wrong ! I read in news earlier, 2 Japanese people who were on ANA evacuation flight have been tested positive for the virus !

I think US UK EU and ROW leaders should think about banning all Chinese carriers landing in respective countries....

Wamos Air flight PLM8471 is over Oslo now...due to land in 1 hour ! I also learnt some local residents are not happy about the decision of bringing evacuees to Wirral, near Liverpool - North West England as they fear of spread of this virus.
quarantine is good, but i fear the virus has already spilled over the containment borders (2 chinese positive in Italy were traveling from Milan visiting various places so anyone could be a carrier now, also an hotel worker has been quarantined as well, maybe he infected himself several people in rome).
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:09 pm

Singapore just issued ban on PRC passport holders or people have been to Mainland China in last 14 days to enter or transit in Singapore.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:16 pm

North Korea is to quarantine anyone that enters North Korea via Russia or China

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Freed/status/ ... 10400?s=20
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:32 pm

PLM8471 from Wuhan just touched down at BZZ this minute.
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:37 pm

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PLM8471 from Wuhan just touched down at BZZ this minute.


and we all hope none of them are positive or even carriers !!! :) fingers crossed.

you got to admit the courage and dedication of all crew including ground staff and all doctors and staff at the hospital !

May sound daft question but how are they managing stuff onward? I think food and drinks will be served on board on the bus as once they board on those buses at BZZ they will only step down at the hospital in Wirral? Also what kind of protective gear those pax will be wearing?
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:01 pm

Video of the Wamos 747 arriving at BZZ

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1223 ... 83456?s=20
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:05 pm

I believe that the non-UK pax are continuing on another leg to Madrid. I wonder what provisions have been made there. I hope it will not take long to deplane the Brits, refuel and take off again.
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:07 pm

Germany will send a military plane, I guess one of the „Luftwaffe“ Airbuses to Wuhan from Cologne today to evacuate around 190 Germans, but don’t know the reg. Nr or flying times. Just read it at Tagesschau.de
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:21 pm

Gingersnap wrote:
PLM8471 from Wuhan just touched down at BZZ this minute.


Inbound, the flight passed over Birkenhead and the Wirral, within 5 miles of their intended quarantine destination at Arrowe Park.
A pity they could not have been dealt with locally.
 
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Re: Corona Virus outbreak - Aviation related News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:22 pm

qf789 wrote:
Video of the Wamos 747 arriving at BZZ

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1223 ... 83456?s=20


On that tweet have you seen the picture where Brize staff and some RAF personnel along with other few personnel are standing next to plane without any PPE !! how does that work???

Have these evacuee been tested negative or what before boarding in Wuhan?

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