Yes, the mystical cargo revenue I keep reading about that's going to make every flight profitable. If that was the case, why has it taken DL this long to switch to a 767 here? If that's the case, why is AV struggling despite running mostly widebodies to BOG.
Oh and the kicker is how BOG has a lot of premium demand. Is that why I keep seeing AV lie flat as always cheapest option to South America and Europe?
Cargo can make a flight break even more easily. Hence why DL has used the 777 and 764 to LIM for years. They have a sweet contract to carry asparagus which allowed them to operate very large widebodies profitably.
Also, no one has said BOG has a lot of premium demand. BOG has come to have premium demand, which was scarce until the end of the 2000s. It's never going to be to London or Tokyo or even Sao Paulo, but it is a growing market and airlines have gradually increased their premium offer.
Where is AV lie-flat the cheapest option from South America to Europe? Please let me know! I haven't flown AV to Europe for years because they consistently charge much higher fares ex-Colombia than IB, UX or KL. Only LH is equally as expensive and AF charge whatever they want because of their monopoly on BOG-CDG, which has resulted in a load factor of 90%+ which has been consistent for the past 10 years. Fortunatley, AV might be launching the route soon and that might lower the prices for those who wich to fly non-stop to Paris.
Now, of course if you try to buy AV going XXX-BOG-Europe, it's going to be cheaper than the non-stop options. Same happens when I try to buy AF BOG-CDG-MAD.
From another poster
Additionally, BOG is rather premium heavy from USA. UA operates a 757 with lie flats on their red eye. So the Delta One product helps them compete and can be monetized even for a relatively short route.
Please do read other people's posts before saying "not one has said BOG has a lot of premium demand".
I said AV always cheapest option to South America and Europe. Please actually read carefully before replying. go search up NYC to EZE/GRU/GIG or NYC to MAD/BCN a couple of month ahead and see where AV is pricing these things at.
Sure, it totally makes sense that JFK-BOG-MAD should be cheaper than JFK-LHR-MAD.
JFK-BOG N/S on AV A330 is pricing under $1200 in J. Sure, there is a lot of premium demand.
As for Cargo, if it was such an important factor, 767 should've been on this route a lot earlier than now.
Ok first of all lets take the attidue two notches off. Don't "please do" me, its petty and unnecessary.
First, regarding no-one is saying BOG has a lot of premium demand, specially that other post, I stand by my statement. BOG has premium demand to some specific markets, specially those related to the oil industry. Hence, BOG-IAH is "rather premium heavy". BOG is not premium heavy to the entire US, that is for sure. But I still don't agree that the post meant BOG has a lot of premium demand.
Second, I'm sorry I misread and thought you were talking about flying AV form South America to Europe. I guess I just assumed since it makes no sense to fly from the US to Europe via a South American country, which is probably why AV is the cheapest option at times.
Lastly, as an example of why AV is so cheap right now form the US, in in less than three years, the BOG JFK route has gone from 2 daily flights and 40 business seats (28 on the 787 and 12 on the A319), to 4 daily flights and 110 daily business seats (30 on the A330-300 x 2, 28 on the 787 and 22 on the DL 757). AV has been basically doubling business class capacity throughout its entire system ex-BOG since the past couple of years, and combined with the latin american economy growing feebly, no wonder yields are a bit depressed right now. However, the Colombian economy is one of the few ones that is actually growing at over 3% YoY in the entire region, which is also probably why DL decided to improve their product on BOG-ATL.
Anyhow, I don't understand the hate when a station gets upgraded by DL. I'm sure their route planning department feels very differently than you do about this upgrade.