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KlimaBXsst
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Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:21 pm

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/po ... 594285002/

Can someone explain to me this job? Do airlines like American really have this much government need out of Phoenix? Kind of BeauBidesque. Hmmm

This makes me think AA is bureaucratically and managerially HEAVY.
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:30 pm

We have a ton of mid level management, that's for sure.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:33 pm

It’s unusual to see he is moving FROM DC to Phoenix to take a government affairs job. I’d expect someone to make the move in the opposite direction.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:00 am

Adipocere wrote:
It’s unusual to see he is moving FROM DC to Phoenix to take a government affairs job. I’d expect someone to make the move in the opposite direction.


It says the job is Regional Director of Government Affairs out of their PHX hub. If his region is based in PHX, it makes the most sense for him to be there.
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:00 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2020/01/27/john-mccain-son-jack-excited-work-american-airlines-phoenix/4594285002/

Can someone explain to me this job? Do airlines like American really have this much government need out of Phoenix? Kind of BeauBidesque. Hmmm

This makes me think AA is bureaucratically and managerially HEAVY.


They hire one guy and you conclude management is bloated? That's certainly a more popular idea with rank and file than the reality that AA's unionized employees are less productive per wage dollar than employees at Delta, United, Alaska and Southwest.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:01 am

Great question, fairly easy to analyze versus Delta (I’ll assume they are best of breed at the moment). I believe the answer is YES AA has thousands more FTE workers than Delta controlling for passengers carried (station and HQ work depends more on passenger count than ASM I think). Whether managers or front line are the difference I don’t know. I suspect AA has more bureaucrats. Glad to learn more from people who work at both.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:12 am

MIflyer12 wrote:

They hire one guy and you conclude management is bloated? That's certainly a more popular idea with rank and file than the reality that AA's unionized employees are less productive per wage dollar than employees at Delta, United, Alaska and Southwest.


Thank you for replying. Just making sure the average baggage handler or agent knows there are vast amounts of opportunity out there in the PHX offices...

far from HDQ and Washington DC. I personally never realized there was such a great need for regional government affairs out of dusty little secondary hub PHX.

How many other hubs have this position I wonder? Sorry inform me. I am grateful for insight.
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:14 am

There is a Government Affairs director in each hub with their own area of oversight. From what I recall, LAX covers the West Coast and Hawaii, PHX covers the Mountain West and Kansas, DFW covers the western South and southern Midwest, and so on. The only ones that are self contained are NYC and DCA due to the total level of bureaucratic BS in those areas.
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:20 am

Appears to be just a total political patronage job.

Amost all American corporations are top heavy, and the management is over compensated to boot.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:11 am

It’s not unusual at all for large corporations to have legislative liaisons with state legislators and local officials where they have operations.
 
Adipocere
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:17 am

afcjets wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
It’s unusual to see he is moving FROM DC to Phoenix to take a government affairs job. I’d expect someone to make the move in the opposite direction.


It says the job is Regional Director of Government Affairs out of their PHX hub. If his region is based in PHX, it makes the most sense for him to be there.


I see. It makes more sense if his job is to liaison with the local Governors, State legislatures and City councils. Maybe the job description needs wording tweaked around to say Director of Regional Government Affairs...
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:17 am

State and Local Affairs is quite significant for all the airlines. From working with the local entities to get more for less, as well as all those SCASD grants written for specific airlines.

A quick Google search finds they exist in many areas for Delta and United. United just had an opening for the same role in Denver last year. The only reason why this got any coverage is because the name McCain.
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:19 am

Smart move. He will be a lobbyist. And when he swaggers into an airport commission meeting where AA is wanting better/more facilities AA will have a better chance to get what they want. Probably without paying for it. The McCain name still has major clout in the west and Hawaii. Again, smart.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:27 am

UA has the same setup at their hubs.
 
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Re: Is American Airlines overloaded by bureaucratic Staffing?

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:53 am

KlimaBXsst wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

They hire one guy and you conclude management is bloated? That's certainly a more popular idea with rank and file than the reality that AA's unionized employees are less productive per wage dollar than employees at Delta, United, Alaska and Southwest.


Thank you for replying. Just making sure the average baggage handler or agent knows there are vast amounts of opportunity out there in the PHX offices...

far from HDQ and Washington DC. I personally never realized there was such a great need for regional government affairs out of dusty little secondary hub PHX.

How many other hubs have this position I wonder? Sorry inform me. I am grateful for insight.

Didn't the blurb say he was a regional director? Well then? Who is defining WHERE the western region starts and ends? For all any of you know? The region Could start at PHX and encompass all of Asia.

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