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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:30 am

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A330’s will be operating domestic legs today for QF9/10

And every Tuesday from now on.

Is there a reason for that?


I think it's connected with the need for a 787 to do BNE-SFO?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:48 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
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And every Tuesday from now on.

Is there a reason for that?


I think it's connected with the need for a 787 to do BNE-SFO?


I'd assume it's maintanence related as the current schedule appears to have a 787.on the ground in Melbourne for over 30 hours from when QF96 arrives on Tuesday to QF9 departs on Wednesday. Neither QF49 nor QF95 departs on Tuesday night.

The 787 that arrives in PER as QF10 on Tuesday is being turned around to operate back to LHR as QF9 same day.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:55 am

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CX's issues are not related to HKG's status as a transit point to Europe; they are related to its status as a transit point into PRC. Many use CX/KA to access PRC as it gives them a well regarded western style airline with great reach into CN.


But they are related to HKG's status point period whether that is Europe or China or anywhere else for that matter. CX has pretty much cut every destination they serve in one way or another. For March the 74 services per week to Australia CX was planning to serve is now reduced to 46 and I have a hard time believing its just related to China. Yes China has seen high cuts but as a transit point it affects their whole network. This is no doubt another setback for HKG, with protests in recent months and now Coronavirus it is going make people wary about travelling through HKG. The traffic flows from say SYD to PER are probably quite different. While SYD is probably into China, India and Europe from PER it is not only China, but Europe, North Asia like Japan, South Korean, Taiwan and also US routes. Hence why I raised SQ before, sure they are going to experience a fall in their own numbers but from Australia depending on how long this goes on for they may get some more traffic from Australia as it will be seen by the low risk option. Yes this is going to impact us for a period of time. Travellers may be wary of travelling to places in Asia and may instead either holiday at home or look for more low risk places to visit such as the US or Europe
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:28 am

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:59 pm

QF commencing SYD-OAG

11 weekly on Q200/300 from 1 May.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:49 am

getluv wrote:
QF commencing SYD-OAG

11 weekly on Q200/300 from 1 May.

Link


Cue REX reaction in 3, 2, 1.....

See their media releases for their concerns that QF is abusing market power.

http://www.rex.com.au/MediaAndPressClip ... px?Site=MC
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:50 am

I know I am doubtful of this (and have been in the past), but given QF moving into the REX markets and REX withdrawing, what might the prospect of a VA/ZL tie-up (or even merger) be with this increased competition?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:03 am

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I know I am doubtful of this (and have been in the past), but given QF moving into the REX markets and REX withdrawing, what might the prospect of a VA/ZL tie-up (or even merger) be with this increased competition?


Just what VA needs right now....another aircraft type! I see little incentives for a merger.

A tie up, maybe, but no merger.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:37 am

qf2220 wrote:
getluv wrote:
QF commencing SYD-OAG

11 weekly on Q200/300 from 1 May.

Link


Cue REX reaction in 3, 2, 1.....

See their media releases for their concerns that QF is abusing market power.

http://www.rex.com.au/MediaAndPressClip ... px?Site=MC


In fairness to QF, whilst I would normally side with ZL - this is excess capacity coming back from JQ-Regional NZ, what are QF expected to do with the capacity, have it collect dust or sell the frames just so they don’t upset ZL?

I’m actually happy to see greater QF connectivity in Regional AU, should give residents better access to international and domestic through fares also.

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:00 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
getluv wrote:
QF commencing SYD-OAG

11 weekly on Q200/300 from 1 May.

Link


Cue REX reaction in 3, 2, 1.....

See their media releases for their concerns that QF is abusing market power.

http://www.rex.com.au/MediaAndPressClip ... px?Site=MC


In fairness to QF, whilst I would normally side with ZL - this is excess capacity coming back from JQ-Regional NZ, what are QF expected to do with the capacity, have it collect dust or sell the frames just so they don’t upset ZL?

I’m actually happy to see greater QF connectivity in Regional AU, should give residents better access to international and domestic through fares also.

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Not only that, how is QF expanding into regional markets a bad thing - as long as they stay? They will offer better connectivity, better service and are unlikely to be any more expensive than Rex (likely cheaper). Regional markets will win from this.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:35 am

Yeah I'm not pro ZL either (their incessant rent seeking grates me the wrong way) but if QF goes and eats their markets they may end up failing. But as part of the VA group, they may have enough (especially access to the FFP and other full service perks) to keep them going, and would allow some route, fleet and corporate structure rationalisation. VA might be able to sell the ATRs and use 340s in their place (upping frequencies which is a winner for consumers), im sure that ZL now has excess fleet problems to deal with...

Edit, looking at the route maps, it looks like its only SYD-ABX and MEL-MQL that might have competition concerns?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:59 am

ZL are simply deflecting from their own structural problems.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:13 am

getluv wrote:
ZL are simply deflecting from their own structural problems.


Dont disagree but there are also regional structural issues they're up against - falling populations, drought impacts on economics and a travel choice that is far more of a luxury for regional populations than just getting in the car.

I probably sound overly sympathetic but im not - REX isnt helping itself in some ways and ive called them out on it, but i do see QF's moves as a significant event for them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:14 am

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Yeah I'm not pro ZL either (their incessant rent seeking grates me the wrong way) but if QF goes and eats their markets they may end up failing. But as part of the VA group, they may have enough (especially access to the FFP and other full service perks) to keep them going, and would allow some route, fleet and corporate structure rationalisation. VA might be able to sell the ATRs and use 340s in their place (upping frequencies which is a winner for consumers), im sure that ZL now has excess fleet problems to deal with...

Edit, looking at the route maps, it looks like its only SYD-ABX and MEL-MQL that might have competition concerns?


Why is it always presumed if there were to be a merger it would be with VA and not QF? VA is the failing carrier that has already tried regional expansion before largely withdrawing. QF has the money to buy Rex and invest in a newer fleet for them and has existing, successful experience in the regional market. I understand competition concerns, however, there is not a lot of overlap between the two and any purchase would undoubtably have conditions that QF couldn't withdraw from regional markets. I don't know if QF has any interest in buying Rex, but out of the two majors, they seem like the better option.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:21 am

I’ve always thought Rex should jump on PER-BQB. Now that JQ is going to link the southwest to MEL, a daily scheduled service to PER seems like a no brainer. I know VA offer “scheduled charter” services a few times a week but these have been hard to book when I’ve looked in the past.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:42 am

smi0006 wrote:

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Mt Gambier, catchment area extends into Western Victoria.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:51 am

Qantas16 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
Yeah I'm not pro ZL either (their incessant rent seeking grates me the wrong way) but if QF goes and eats their markets they may end up failing. But as part of the VA group, they may have enough (especially access to the FFP and other full service perks) to keep them going, and would allow some route, fleet and corporate structure rationalisation. VA might be able to sell the ATRs and use 340s in their place (upping frequencies which is a winner for consumers), im sure that ZL now has excess fleet problems to deal with...

Edit, looking at the route maps, it looks like its only SYD-ABX and MEL-MQL that might have competition concerns?


Why is it always presumed if there were to be a merger it would be with VA and not QF? VA is the failing carrier that has already tried regional expansion before largely withdrawing. QF has the money to buy Rex and invest in a newer fleet for them and has existing, successful experience in the regional market. I understand competition concerns, however, there is not a lot of overlap between the two and any purchase would undoubtably have conditions that QF couldn't withdraw from regional markets. I don't know if QF has any interest in buying Rex, but out of the two majors, they seem like the better option.


It could go that way too, I'm not barracking for either. But I see VA to be the one to gain more out of it than QF, and fewer competition issues to deal with as the ACCC in any transaction will initiate a review.

Re newer fleet - not sure that funding it is going to be the issue, its more like what you would buy that presents the bigger problem.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:15 am

The Qatar A388 that retuned to MEL a few days ago positioned to SYD last night at 12000 feet for further attention by QF maintenance

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https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 78658?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:43 am

qf2220 wrote:
getluv wrote:
ZL are simply deflecting from their own structural problems.


Dont disagree but there are also regional structural issues they're up against - falling populations, drought impacts on economics and a travel choice that is far more of a luxury for regional populations than just getting in the car.

I probably sound overly sympathetic but im not - REX isnt helping itself in some ways and ive called them out on it, but i do see QF's moves as a significant event for them.


ZL have done nothing to evolve or invest in their business to prepare for adverse impacts. Accordingly this is self inflicted.

Usually when a company uses PR they’re deflecting. Seriously, media releases about crying to the ACCC. ZL management are a joke.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:34 am

I honestly have very little sympathy for Rex. For years they have offered unreliable service for expensive fares. While there are undeniably higher costs associated with flying smaller aircraft to regional communities, Rex have done very little to make themselves competitive or even desirable to the communities they serve.

Qantas aren't perfect but they offer more reliable service, broader opportunities to connect regional communities with the rest of the country and the world, and generally do so at lower cost to the consumer. Regional communities stand to benefit from the expansion of QantasLink.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:39 am

melpax wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Mt Gambier, catchment area extends into Western Victoria.


Agreed. Mount Gambier seems almost inevitable.

Burnie, Parkes, Griffith and Grafton are also possibilities IMHO.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:08 am

The schedule for the SYD-OAG-SYD is nowhere near the frequency of ZL but a nice way to dip their toe into water. The 6:30am and 5:25pm flights out of Orange to Sydney are always sold out. QF are offering a 6:25pm departure to Sydney which I think they will be able to fill easily.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:34 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
melpax wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Mt Gambier, catchment area extends into Western Victoria.


Agreed. Mount Gambier seems almost inevitable.

Burnie, Parkes, Griffith and Grafton are also possibilities IMHO.

Burnie is pretty unlikely given it is only 50kms from Devonport.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:38 am

qf789 wrote:
The Qatar A388 that retuned to MEL a few days ago positioned to SYD last night at 12000 feet for further attention by QF maintenance

Image

https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 78658?s=20


What a lovely pic of the A388 with light flare off the nacelles.

Must be murder for the crew though with flight hours and having to return home.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:40 am

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I honestly have very little sympathy for Rex. For years they have offered unreliable service for expensive fares. While there are undeniably higher costs associated with flying smaller aircraft to regional communities, Rex have done very little to make themselves competitive or even desirable to the communities they serve.


I’ve not flown REX, yet, but are they really that poor?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:43 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
melpax wrote:
smi0006 wrote:

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Mt Gambier, catchment area extends into Western Victoria.


Agreed. Mount Gambier seems almost inevitable.

Burnie, Parkes, Griffith and Grafton are also possibilities IMHO.

Perhaps not right now with the fires affecting lots of the surrounding area, but perhaps Merimbula could be a future QF régional port. ZL serve it from both MEL and SYD.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:09 am

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Apparently VH-OEF has been sold and not being turned into coke cans, can anyone confirm?


Not sure as to her new owners but heard -OEF is heading off to SBD on the 14th as QF6021.



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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:34 am

Maybe they've been acquired by UPS as they do have a base there. FedEx (also based there) don't operate the 747F so it would be a bit odd if they went for it.

As this was a 747-400ER, it would probably be more sort after as a freighter compared to the regular 747-400 and since it's only 17 years old, still has plenty of life left in it. It's also probably part of the reason Qantas is getting rid of it as they could at least get some money for it.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:54 am

smi0006 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:
getluv wrote:
QF commencing SYD-OAG

11 weekly on Q200/300 from 1 May.

Link


Cue REX reaction in 3, 2, 1.....

See their media releases for their concerns that QF is abusing market power.

http://www.rex.com.au/MediaAndPressClip ... px?Site=MC


In fairness to QF, whilst I would normally side with ZL - this is excess capacity coming back from JQ-Regional NZ, what are QF expected to do with the capacity, have it collect dust or sell the frames just so they don’t upset ZL?

I’m actually happy to see greater QF connectivity in Regional AU, should give residents better access to international and domestic through fares also.

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Isn't that the definition of capacity dumping?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:07 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
I honestly have very little sympathy for Rex. For years they have offered unreliable service for expensive fares. While there are undeniably higher costs associated with flying smaller aircraft to regional communities, Rex have done very little to make themselves competitive or even desirable to the communities they serve.


I’ve not flown REX, yet, but are they really that poor?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:27 pm

a320fan wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
melpax wrote:

Mt Gambier, catchment area extends into Western Victoria.


Agreed. Mount Gambier seems almost inevitable.

Burnie, Parkes, Griffith and Grafton are also possibilities IMHO.

Perhaps not right now with the fires affecting lots of the surrounding area, but perhaps Merimbula could be a future QF régional port. ZL serve it from both MEL and SYD.

On the contrary, now would be the perfect time. Gets more people and money in to the community. Get the state to sponsor some of it. SYD/MEL-MIM on Friday, MIM-SYD/MEL on a Sunday. Done.

As previously mentioned, MEL-MGB is one I agree with, but otherwise out of MEL the only other I can think of is BHQ, which could also work for SYD. Just throwing darts on a map, I am basing this on zero statistical data ;)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:09 pm

aerokiwi wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
qf2220 wrote:

Cue REX reaction in 3, 2, 1.....

See their media releases for their concerns that QF is abusing market power.

http://www.rex.com.au/MediaAndPressClip ... px?Site=MC


In fairness to QF, whilst I would normally side with ZL - this is excess capacity coming back from JQ-Regional NZ, what are QF expected to do with the capacity, have it collect dust or sell the frames just so they don’t upset ZL?

I’m actually happy to see greater QF connectivity in Regional AU, should give residents better access to international and domestic through fares also.

After Mildura and Ballina SYD, now Orange, what other regional routes could QF open up?


Isn't that the definition of capacity dumping?


If not, it is pretty close to it. Doubling the capacity in a market is perhaps cause for ACCC to at least have a look...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:10 pm

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I honestly have very little sympathy for Rex. For years they have offered unreliable service for expensive fares. While there are undeniably higher costs associated with flying smaller aircraft to regional communities, Rex have done very little to make themselves competitive or even desirable to the communities they serve.

Qantas aren't perfect but they offer more reliable service, broader opportunities to connect regional communities with the rest of the country and the world, and generally do so at lower cost to the consumer. Regional communities stand to benefit from the expansion of QantasLink.


I dont know what could they do different?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:41 pm

Air Canada hits pause on year-round Melbourne to Vancouver, as they go seasonal on the route. Flights resume November 2020.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... o-seasonal
 
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Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:15 am

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Air Canada hits pause on year-round Melbourne to Vancouver, as they go seasonal on the route. Flights resume November 2020.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... o-seasonal

Probably not surprising. Our corporate travel agent are often identifying AC as one of the cheapest options for flights to North America and when our staff has used them out of both BNE and MEL have said the flights were lightly loaded.

From a tourist point of view, Canada appears to be a very seasonal route peaking over the NW for skiers. There would be some outbound demand in NS for Alaska cruising but this is not necessarily centred around YVR with lots of cruises departing from SEA, SFO etc. I'm not really sure how much premium corporate demand there is but J reward seats appear to be available often.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:40 am

Qantas to drop MEL-HKG to 5 weekly from daily and BNE-HKG 4-5 weekly from daily, 789 operating most services

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... takes-hold
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:47 am

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Air Canada hits pause on year-round Melbourne to Vancouver, as they go seasonal on the route. Flights resume November 2020.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... o-seasonal


I would have thought that MEL would be a stronger market than BNE, yet MEL was 4x while BNE was daily, and it's MEL that is now being dialled back to seasonal. I wonder if BNE will be cut back to 4x or made seasonal as well?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:50 am

I haven't read the article as it is behind a paywall but you get the idea from the headline from the Central Western Daily..

"Qantas flights to Orange has rival Rex seeing red"
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:52 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Air Canada hits pause on year-round Melbourne to Vancouver, as they go seasonal on the route. Flights resume November 2020.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... o-seasonal


I would have thought that MEL would be a stronger market than BNE, yet MEL was 4x while BNE was daily, and it's MEL that is now being dialled back to seasonal. I wonder if BNE will be cut back to 4x or made seasonal as well?


Without anything to back this up I'd guess BNE has more inbound traffic than MEL. Particularly due to people visiting FNQ. As for premium cabins I would've thought MEL.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:11 am

NTLDaz wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Air Canada hits pause on year-round Melbourne to Vancouver, as they go seasonal on the route. Flights resume November 2020.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... o-seasonal


I would have thought that MEL would be a stronger market than BNE, yet MEL was 4x while BNE was daily, and it's MEL that is now being dialled back to seasonal. I wonder if BNE will be cut back to 4x or made seasonal as well?


Without anything to back this up I'd guess BNE has more inbound traffic than MEL. Particularly due to people visiting FNQ. As for premium cabins I would've thought MEL.


Operating costs for YVR-MEL and YVR-elsewhere (without having an idea on what route replaces MEL-YVR), may have led to AC to conclude that the aircraft on MEL-YVR better used on another route where there is more money to be made from a yield perspective during the March-November season.

MEL-YVR (8192 mi) would've cost more to operate than BNE-YVR (7352 mi) from a distance perspective as well.

AC may also have seen that it's more "economical" during the "off-season" for AC to send MEL pax through BNE (or occasionally SYD).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:35 am

AC launched BNE first, and announced the route as daily (albeit not always served daily). When finally launched MEL was initially only 3x IIRC. Clearly for whatever reason AC are stronger in BNE, as counter-intuitive as that seems at first glance.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:13 am

SCFlyer wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:

I would have thought that MEL would be a stronger market than BNE, yet MEL was 4x while BNE was daily, and it's MEL that is now being dialled back to seasonal. I wonder if BNE will be cut back to 4x or made seasonal as well?


Without anything to back this up I'd guess BNE has more inbound traffic than MEL. Particularly due to people visiting FNQ. As for premium cabins I would've thought MEL.


Operating costs for YVR-MEL and YVR-elsewhere (without having an idea on what route replaces MEL-YVR), may have led to AC to conclude that the aircraft on MEL-YVR better used on another route where there is more money to be made from a yield perspective during the March-November season.

MEL-YVR (8192 mi) would've cost more to operate than BNE-YVR (7352 mi) from a distance perspective as well.

AC may also have seen that it's more "economical" during the "off-season" for AC to send MEL pax through BNE (or occasionally SYD).


I’ve seen a lot of people fly to NYC with AC, I think they have built YVR into a decent North American hub not exclusively Canadian hub, that would help their offseason traffic.

I do imagine their 737Max issue may also contribute to the reallocation of the fleet. Maybe needed domestically to backfill capacity, or where clearly more profit is possible - especially against a stronger westJet.

I think we are heading into a downturn, or very least rationalisation of capacity following some of the more creative route additions that were more a gamble in high times. Shame really, but that’s the industry a lot of us work in. We all know it’s a fragile cycle!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 7:25 am

SCFlyer wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:

Operating costs for YVR-MEL and YVR-elsewhere (without having an idea on what route replaces MEL-YVR), may have led to AC to conclude that the aircraft on MEL-YVR better used on another route where there is more money to be made from a yield perspective during the March-November season.

MEL-YVR (8192 mi) would've cost more to operate than BNE-YVR (7352 mi) from a distance perspective as well.


I'd say YVR- Europe would be much better yielding in the Northern Summer period.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:24 am

"Qantas has warned the Australian & International Pilots Association that it will seek outside pilots to launch its Sunrise Project of flying nonstop from Australia’s east coast cities to London and New York if they will not agree to a deal on the table."

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... h-sunrise/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:21 am

^^ having read the above source I would shudder at working 20-22 hr days" (and yes I have worked them frequently in my younger days) and fatigue is always an issue. It would seem with Capt x F/o x 2 2nd Offr the "experience" up front is at risk especially when Capt or F/O is "resting". It would seem to me that in cruise you will have a Senior + 2 Junior config mostly. How are they managing the 787 Perth London.. Have a look at what happens in the medical profession and you may agree with me. There again, I have no professional expertise in this matter, so I may very well be on the wrong "tram".
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:24 am

I regularly check the VA specials from their "Happy hour" email. I noticed an itinerary for 29$ from ADL to AKL, with the rest of the fares being $298. There was another from ADL to CHC for 9$. Was thinking this has to be a typo, but do airlines usually honour these mistakes? If so, would imagine it's a costly one.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:37 pm

TN486T wrote:
^^ having read the above source I would shudder at working 20-22 hr days" (and yes I have worked them frequently in my younger days) and fatigue is always an issue. It would seem with Capt x F/o x 2 2nd Offr the "experience" up front is at risk especially when Capt or F/O is "resting". It would seem to me that in cruise you will have a Senior + 2 Junior config mostly. How are they managing the 787 Perth London.. Have a look at what happens in the medical profession and you may agree with me. There again, I have no professional expertise in this matter, so I may very well be on the wrong "tram".


I wouldn’t call it ‘working’ 20-22hrs a day - they will probably get 8hrs sleep in that time. I wish someone calculated my 8hrs of working then going to bed for 8hrs and doing another 8hr shift as 24hrs of working a day haha
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:02 pm

ADDICT4QF wrote:
TN486T wrote:
^^ having read the above source I would shudder at working 20-22 hr days" (and yes I have worked them frequently in my younger days) and fatigue is always an issue. It would seem with Capt x F/o x 2 2nd Offr the "experience" up front is at risk especially when Capt or F/O is "resting". It would seem to me that in cruise you will have a Senior + 2 Junior config mostly. How are they managing the 787 Perth London.. Have a look at what happens in the medical profession and you may agree with me. There again, I have no professional expertise in this matter, so I may very well be on the wrong "tram".


I wouldn’t call it ‘working’ 20-22hrs a day - they will probably get 8hrs sleep in that time. I wish someone calculated my 8hrs of working then going to bed for 8hrs and doing another 8hr shift as 24hrs of working a day haha


Last I checked “tour of duty” commences from the moment crew sign on & regardless of 8 hours rest (trying to rest at 40,000ft ain’t a walk in the park).


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:18 pm

The Australian is reporting that JQ is touting 3 788s for sale. Apparently this is because they operate loss making routes thought to be SYD-HNL, MEL-HNL and OOL-NRT. Sale would mean 50 pilots would be made redundant or demoted so whether this is a serious sale campaign or an attempt to force pilots to agree to new EBA is debatable.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:24 pm

As QF have close ties with both AS and AA found on another post that AS will Join O/world.

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/onewo ... 3_AW%7C%7C

Maybe the SEA - Australia flights aren't dead yet :P
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