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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:37 am

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And it looks like it's costly handing back the 320s early. $29m one-off charge


Well, at least Borghetti didn’t buy any A340s... :lol:

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IIRC, the choice was between A340s and 77Ws (as VA was too late to the 787/A3350 party) at the time when Brett was making a decision on the fleet for 'V Australia' operations.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:18 am

Quick question. I am on QF2 tomorrow 27/2 in business, can anybody tell me if its the upgrade cabin?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:34 am

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Quick question. I am on QF2 tomorrow 27/2 in business, can anybody tell me if its the upgrade cabin?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:37 am

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The results are horrendous when you consider QF's results were mostly flat on an underlying basis.

$14.5M underlying profit. Down 97% from last year.
It recorded a statutory loss of $89M compared to a $74M profit last year.

- 3-5% capacity cuts this 2H20 and FY21.
- Another $50M-$75M hit expected in 2H20.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 544eh.html

Dire days ahead with HNA also to be liquidated by the Chinese Government.


VA just need to axe TT. I get their initial logic in having TT, being the need to offer a 'low cost' alternative to compete with JQ. However with TT's fleet size shrinking, there just isn't the scale there to make it worthwhile. Just scrap the brand, which would negate the need to pay a royalty fee and just focus management's attention on the core business/brand of VA.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:57 am

Thanks Ben 175. Knew that would be my luck !!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:16 am

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Just scrap the brand, which would negate the need to pay a royalty fee and just focus management's attention on the core business/brand of VA.


Is there a loyalty fee on Tiger as well?
Personally I'd ditch both brands.

How about Very Red and Very Blue.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:30 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
moa999 wrote:
And it looks like it's costly handing back the 320s early. $29m one-off charge


Well, at least Borghetti didn’t buy any A340s... :lol:

Rgds,
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77Ws was ordered during during the Brett Godfrey era.

IIRC, the choice was between A340s and 77Ws (as VA was too late to the 787/A3350 party) at the time when Brett was making a decision on the fleet for 'V Australia' operations.



Sorry, I was being facetious.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:04 am

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Just scrap the brand, which would negate the need to pay a royalty fee and just focus management's attention on the core business/brand of VA.


Is there a loyalty fee on Tiger as well?
Personally I'd ditch both brands.

How about Very Red and Very Blue.



I’d defiantly drop tiger tomorrow and then work out a long term strategy to drop the virgin brand. It’s not worth what it used to be and paying Branson for a tiring brand isn’t worth it IMHO.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 am

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And it looks like it's costly handing back the 320s early. $29m one-off charge
$29m sounds a lot. Are you sure that's correct. Surely they could do something else with them, like get VARA to operate them.
Per slide 13 in the Presentation file.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:19 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
getluv wrote:
The results are horrendous when you consider QF's results were mostly flat on an underlying basis.

$14.5M underlying profit. Down 97% from last year.
It recorded a statutory loss of $89M compared to a $74M profit last year.

- 3-5% capacity cuts this 2H20 and FY21.
- Another $50M-$75M hit expected in 2H20.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 544eh.html

Dire days ahead with HNA also to be liquidated by the Chinese Government.


VA just need to axe TT. I get their initial logic in having TT, being the need to offer a 'low cost' alternative to compete with JQ. However with TT's fleet size shrinking, there just isn't the scale there to make it worthwhile. Just scrap the brand, which would negate the need to pay a royalty fee and just focus management's attention on the core business/brand of VA.


How many aircraft will there be at TT after these go?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:25 am

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Is there a loyalty fee on Tiger as well?


From memory it was circa $1m a year, it's paid to Tiger in Singapore.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:26 am

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How many aircraft will there be at TT after these go?


8 according to the article.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:55 am

8 aircraft is nothing and makes TT basically irrelevant, especially with the BNE and SYD bases closing. Any news on what will happen to the crew based in these cities? Getting reassigned to VA mainline? Let go, or moved to MEL?

If they’re paying brand licensing fees then they’re getting ripped of considering SQ has long retired the Tiger brand and merged it all into scoot. If anything VA should have been able to just buy out the brands IP.

The last decade at VA has certainly been interesting and exciting but I don’t think anyone would say successful. I know they went up market because they found themselves getting squeezed from both sides, but this still didn’t pay off. So either the QF group has way too much market power, in which case perhaps the case could start being made to forcibly split the company or VA management have just made numerous bad decisions. Perhaps it’s some of both...
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:04 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
QF742 wrote:

How many aircraft will there be at TT after these go?


8 according to the article.


And for the record, the following five routes are to be cut: MEL-CFS, SYD-CFS, SYD-CNS, ADL-SYD, and HBA-OOL.

See https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-26/virgin-announces-tigerair-to-axe-five-domestic-routes/12002236?pfmredir=sm
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:08 am

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8 aircraft is nothing and makes TT basically irrelevant, especially with the BNE and SYD bases closing. Any news on what will happen to the crew based in these cities? Getting reassigned to VA mainline? Let go, or moved to MEL?


Voluntary redundancy which takes effect as of 30th of April for Sydney and October for Brisbane
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:28 am

I do wonder if a really solid middle of the market rebranding For VA could work. It’s been nearly a decade since they went ‘full service’ yet the actual flying experience still falls far short. Complimentary meals are often something naff and pointless. Admittedly it’s now A few years since I’ve flown them as I’ve done most my travelling abroad with the rare domestic sector on a low cost, mostly tiger who I’ve grown to really like.

In memory from my last VA flights the complimentary food and beverage was a 50g chocolate bar with a tiny plastic cup of water. Or a mini muffin with a little tub of yogurt.

They have made some product downgrades lately with some entry level fares on intl flights no longer including bags and seat selection (wrong downgrades in wrong areas imo) showing they are maybe having a rethink of the market position.

A complete fresh brand (expensive, confuses consumers, but frees the airline from paying royalties to an increasingly irrelevant brand) in the MOM position, with TT axed could look a bit like the following.

737-8 sized fleet forming the backbone of the network in the same 176 seat config they have now (no reconfig costs). Business class and economy X can be tuned with some cuts in unnecessary services.

A good use of customer facing technology will be vital for this new VA to make its biggest point of difference. Imagine an app with a booking portal that shows right up until boarding is called what seats are currently unassigned and just by selecting it in the app you can change your digital boarding pass to the new seat even if you originally booked basic economy you can upgrade to business whilst sitting at the gate waiting for boarding assuming you’re willing to pay the fee.

- Business class pax enjoy lounge access, bags, a business class meal, priority boarding.

- For economy X You enjoy priority boarding, extra leg room, a checked bag, and a certain value of credit for the Buy on Board.

- Economy will come in only one tier, with unbundling so pax can only pay for what they want. The basic selection will not include checked bags, or any flexibility. But you can pre select a seat for free. Food and beverage is buy on board. Addons such as check bags and flexibility will be offered as addons that can be purchased at any time through the booking portal.

All classes will have free access to streaming entertainment and WiFi access can be bought on board the flight.

About 20% of the fleet will be 737-10 sized. Business will be the same size as the smaller 73’s but it might add an extra row or two of X. Mostly it will just increase economy seating and can be used on golden triangle, high volume leisure destinations such as Ool and CNS plus some transcons.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:51 am

TT must do pretty well on MEL-PER and SYD-PER considering they're staying and will take up significant utilisation with only 8 aircraft. Though I guess this is a way to keep the planes flying and making money through the night - the afternoon/evening MEL-PER-MEL service might see the chop.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:21 pm

Qantas have updated their safety video, with a centenary theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLq8if1nkTM.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:15 pm

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TT must do pretty well on MEL-PER and SYD-PER considering they're staying and will take up significant utilisation with only 8 aircraft. Though I guess this is a way to keep the planes flying and making money through the night - the afternoon/evening MEL-PER-MEL service might see the chop.


Their loads are usually pretty high. I have had a quick look and haven't been able to find any flights with poor loads. Another thing to take into consideration is the redeyes (and this isn't just TT but also applies to VA, JQ and QF as well) is that they feed their networks on the east coast. For both JQ and TT its their domestic network where as VA and QF it is not only their domestic network but their international network as well along with any partner airlines.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:20 pm

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I have had a quick look and haven't been able to find any flights with poor loads.

Any airline can have 100% loads and millions of dollars of debt if they sell a seat for a $1
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:05 pm

Interestingly, the new QF Safety Video goes through all the major aircrafts utilised by QF through the century, with the exception of the A380. Interesting!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:30 pm

Re the TT changes, why not just bin the brand given the airline is now so small?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:22 am

ben175 wrote:
TT must do pretty well on MEL-PER and SYD-PER considering they're staying and will take up significant utilisation with only 8 aircraft. Though I guess this is a way to keep the planes flying and making money through the night - the afternoon/evening MEL-PER-MEL service might see the chop.


Make Money LOL... Tiger dont make money - they are good at losing it and cant see that changing. I reckon now they are down to 8 aircraft does it really justify having a seperate head office and all the associated costs? Would probably be more cost effective to roll Tigers remaining base in MEL into VA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:57 am

I’ve got an idea, rename Tiger to Virgin Blue and run it as a fun and hip LCC.

Oh yeh, that’s been done before.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:25 am

Historically, since "deregulation" it has been proven Australia cannot sustain 2 full service profitable airlines. However, QF is so dominant, so how to keep QF honest, we need to ensure some "opposition". How do we do that to ensure profitability for all? Ahem. 2 airline policy with price controls anyone?? (Please don't shoot the messenger).
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:34 am

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Historically, since "deregulation" it has been proven Australia cannot sustain 2 full service profitable airlines. However, QF is so dominant, so how to keep QF honest, we need to ensure some "opposition". How do we do that to ensure profitability for all? Ahem. 2 airline policy with price controls anyone?? (Please don't shoot the messenger).


In the event of the QF group holding a monopoly position, I would rather see divisions of QF forcibly divested into their own companies rather than another two airline policy.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:07 am

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Interestingly, the new QF Safety Video goes through all the major aircrafts utilised by QF through the century, with the exception of the A380. Interesting!

Not really: missing among others are:

  • 717
  • 737
  • 767
  • A330
  • DC-3
  • DC-4
  • L-188

It’s a great video though, almost makes me want to find an excuse to fly Qantas.

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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:04 am

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Interestingly, the new QF Safety Video goes through all the major aircrafts utilised by QF through the century, with the exception of the A380. Interesting!

Not really: missing among others are:

  • 717
  • 737
  • 767
  • A330
  • DC-3
  • DC-4
  • L-188

It’s a great video though, almost makes me want to find an excuse to fly Qantas.

V/F


There was no way they could ever capture everything. In terms of the key developments in Qantas' history the "iconic" aircraft that brought Australia ever closer to the world were the Connie > 707 > 747 Classic > 747-400 [> A380] > 787, and the others were all included. I think where BBD is coming from was back in 2009 Qantas PR was banging on about the A380 being the most significant development since the introduction of the 707. That has since been quietly erased from history. That said, it never made much sense to start with as both generations of the 747 arguably contributed more in their day.
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:28 am

Perth Airport has been awarded best major airport in Australia by the ACCC for the third year in a row. Operating profit Aeronautical fees fell 19.2% due to lower fees charged to airlines. Across the big 4 airports operating profit for aeronautical fees increased by 3.6%. Perth Airport was the only major airport to receive a good rating from carriers

PAPL also mentions that their plans are well in advanced of the major upgrade of T1 including moving QF over to the central airport precinct

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/02/25/per ... australia/

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... /hat-trick
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:30 am

Qantas and BP have received final approval from the ACCC for their loyalty partnership

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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:37 am

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There was no way they could ever capture everything. In terms of the key developments in Qantas' history the "iconic" aircraft that brought Australia ever closer to the world were the Connie > 707 > 747 Classic > 747-400 [> A380] > 787, and the others were all included. I think where BBD is coming from was back in 2009 Qantas PR was banging on about the A380 being the most significant development since the introduction of the 707. That has since been quietly erased from history. That said, it never made much sense to start with as both generations of the 747 arguably contributed more in their day.



I honestly had hoped they would have included the 747SP.

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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:42 am

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Perth Airport has been awarded best major airport in Australia by the ACCC for the third year in a row. Operating profit Aeronautical fees fell 19.2% due to lower fees charged to airlines. Across the big 4 airports operating profit for aeronautical fees increased by 3.6%. Perth Airport was the only major airport to receive a good rating from carriers

PAPL also mentions that their plans are well in advanced of the major upgrade of T1 including moving QF over to the central airport precinct

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/02/25/per ... australia/

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... /hat-trick


Years ago I remember reading an argument that the major airport for Perth should be relocated to Jandakot. I wish I could recall the reasoning for it or why the idea was discarded. Do you know of any info about that?

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Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:12 am

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Quick question. I am on QF2 tomorrow 27/2 in business, can anybody tell me if its the upgrade cabin?
Thanks in advance
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:12 am

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I’ve got an idea, rename Tiger to Virgin Blue and run it as a fun and hip LCC.

Oh yeh, that’s been done before.


Ha! It has, but profitably. Soooooo....

Obviously this is a bad result. An earlier poster asked whether they would have been profitable without the Velocity purchase. I believe the answer is no but happy to be corrected. Is it correct that the first half of the year is traditionally the strongest? If so then the year end result isn't going to be pretty.

I don't know why the shareholding keeps getting raised as a likely determinant of VA's viability - some kind of schadenfreude I guess. It's super murky but last I checked the best I could figure was that the VA holding was actually owned by an HNA catering subsidiary - who knows if that's the case and perhaps that subsidiary is going gangbusters? Maybe not. But Virgin no longer serves Hong Kong so the loss of a codeshare partner is going to be pretty negligible to its performance now.

Branding wise - it would be interesting to see the cost-benefit of that. They do have an established, ready made name with 'Velocity' that could work.

Looks like Tiger will be wound up eventually - I hope they only receive the oldest of VA's 737s. Such a waste to put a Sky Interior jet there like last time. Has VA actually said what will happen to the 320s other than removed from TT?
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:31 am

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Perth Airport has been awarded best major airport in Australia by the ACCC for the third year in a row. Operating profit Aeronautical fees fell 19.2% due to lower fees charged to airlines. Across the big 4 airports operating profit for aeronautical fees increased by 3.6%. Perth Airport was the only major airport to receive a good rating from carriers

PAPL also mentions that their plans are well in advanced of the major upgrade of T1 including moving QF over to the central airport precinct

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/02/25/per ... australia/

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... /hat-trick



Not sure I’d call the plans well advanced. From what I have heard on the QF side there have been meetings but there is defiantly no timetable for moving ... which would be my litmus test of a plan :-)

And as we all know with PAPL... I will believe it when the QF planes are boarding domestic passengers on that side of the airport.
 
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Looks like Tiger will be wound up eventually - I hope they only receive the oldest of VA's 737s. Such a waste to put a Sky Interior jet there like last time. Has VA actually said what will happen to the 320s other than removed from TT?


The A320's are leased, so are being returned to the lessors.
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:03 am

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Looks like Tiger will be wound up eventually - I hope they only receive the oldest of VA's 737s. Such a waste to put a Sky Interior jet there like last time. Has VA actually said what will happen to the 320s other than removed from TT?


The A320's are leased, so are being returned to the lessors.


Sure. But could some or all be transferred to VARA as in the past? Probably not with the likely economic slump, but just curious.
 
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Perth Airport has been awarded best major airport in Australia by the ACCC for the third year in a row. Operating profit Aeronautical fees fell 19.2% due to lower fees charged to airlines. Across the big 4 airports operating profit for aeronautical fees increased by 3.6%. Perth Airport was the only major airport to receive a good rating from carriers

PAPL also mentions that their plans are well in advanced of the major upgrade of T1 including moving QF over to the central airport precinct

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/02/25/per ... australia/

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... /hat-trick



Not sure I’d call the plans well advanced. From what I have heard on the QF side there have been meetings but there is defiantly no timetable for moving ... which would be my litmus test of a plan :-)

And as we all know with PAPL... I will believe it when the QF planes are boarding domestic passengers on that side of the airport.


Kinda makes you question QF's ongoing position in this dispute though, right?
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:16 pm

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Looks like Tiger will be wound up eventually - I hope they only receive the oldest of VA's 737s. Such a waste to put a Sky Interior jet there like last time. Has VA actually said what will happen to the 320s other than removed from TT?


The A320's are leased, so are being returned to the lessors.


Sure. But could some or all be transferred to VARA as in the past? Probably not with the likely economic slump, but just curious.


Last I heard which was late last year was VARA was suppose to take 3 more A320's this year with the first arriving at VARA next month
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:21 pm

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Looks like Tiger will be wound up eventually - I hope they only receive the oldest of VA's 737s. Such a waste to put a Sky Interior jet there like last time. Has VA actually said what will happen to the 320s other than removed from TT?


The next 2 737's for TT are suppose to be coming from VA's international fleet so they will have BSI on them and will be in the YI* registered aircraft. FWIW VA has also retrofitted at least 1 of the older 737's with BSI interiors
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:24 pm

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Perth Airport has been awarded best major airport in Australia by the ACCC for the third year in a row. Operating profit Aeronautical fees fell 19.2% due to lower fees charged to airlines. Across the big 4 airports operating profit for aeronautical fees increased by 3.6%. Perth Airport was the only major airport to receive a good rating from carriers

PAPL also mentions that their plans are well in advanced of the major upgrade of T1 including moving QF over to the central airport precinct

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/02/25/per ... australia/

https://www.perthairport.com.au/Home/co ... /hat-trick


Years ago I remember reading an argument that the major airport for Perth should be relocated to Jandakot. I wish I could recall the reasoning for it or why the idea was discarded. Do you know of any info about that?

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I don't remember that would think that not enough land was available to facilitate such a plan
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:27 pm

CASA has signed off on QF's fatigue risk management system (FRMS) allowing pilots to fly more than 20 hours

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 544y5.html
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:32 pm

Delays out of PER today due to thunderstorms again, already been on 2 blue alerts in the past hour
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:36 pm

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CASA has signed off on QF's fatigue risk management system (FRMS) allowing pilots to fly more than 20 hours

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 544y5.html


Interestingly it says this does not provide approval for sunrise flights and that we require further work with CASA. But there are no other QF flights 20+ hours? Does this then just help if other long haul flights get delayed and therefore less risk of crew timing out?
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:40 pm

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CASA has signed off on QF's fatigue risk management system (FRMS) allowing pilots to fly more than 20 hours

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 544y5.html


Interestingly it says this does not provide approval for sunrise flights and that we require further work with CASA. But there are no other QF flights 20+ hours? Does this then just help if other long haul flights get delayed and therefore less risk of crew timing out?


There are probably some days occasionally where PER-LHR goes close to it, the other day it clocked up a new record being 18 hrs and 27 minutes from takeoff to touchdown so the crew on that flight probably went close to 20 hours
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:37 am

QF742 wrote:
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CASA has signed off on QF's fatigue risk management system (FRMS) allowing pilots to fly more than 20 hours

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 544y5.html


Interestingly it says this does not provide approval for sunrise flights and that we require further work with CASA. But there are no other QF flights 20+ hours? Does this then just help if other long haul flights get delayed and therefore less risk of crew timing out?


The point of this approval was not Sunrise, it was the FRMS. So i dont find it interesting, this is just procedural process being followed. Sunrise is more than just fatigue management so cannot be signed off just though this process.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:03 am

qf789 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:

Looks like Tiger will be wound up eventually - I hope they only receive the oldest of VA's 737s. Such a waste to put a Sky Interior jet there like last time. Has VA actually said what will happen to the 320s other than removed from TT?


The next 2 737's for TT are suppose to be coming from VA's international fleet so they will have BSI on them and will be in the YI* registered aircraft. FWIW VA has also retrofitted at least 1 of the older 737's with BSI interiors


Maybe TT might get set lose on the Tasman, and used to try generate some re-growth on the Tasman with recent events it might help the VA group keep some market share.

Otherwise it seems weird to give TT, to of the ETOPS enabled 738s...

Times on the Tasman must be hard at the moment, with NZ currently selling An round trip for $14+ Approx $200 taxes. The lower cost base could help VA keep of them market.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:10 am

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CASA has signed off on QF's fatigue risk management system (FRMS) allowing pilots to fly more than 20 hours

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/busine ... 544y5.html


Interestingly it says this does not provide approval for sunrise flights and that we require further work with CASA. But there are no other QF flights 20+ hours? Does this then just help if other long haul flights get delayed and therefore less risk of crew timing out?


So, for the last year or so, Qantas have been operating under a 'trial' FRMS. Under Australian fatigue rules, you can either operate under the blanket duty limits set by CASA, or you can create an FRMS to use your own. But an FRMS is more than just picking some times, it requires a system of pilot reporting/feedback, proactive education and risk assessments, and basically attending fatigue science conferences. The law says the FRMS needs a 12 month trial, and this signoff means they have passed that.

So in practical terms, this signoff won't change anything that isn't already in place, but it shows CASA is happy with the process QF are using. Judging by CASAs comments, the FRMS is still capped at 20 hour duty periods, so I think the article is incorrect there.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:18 pm

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I do wonder if a really solid middle of the market rebranding For VA could work. It’s been nearly a decade since they went ‘full service’ yet the actual flying experience still falls far short. Complimentary meals are often something naff and pointless. Admittedly it’s now A few years since I’ve flown them as I’ve done most my travelling abroad with the rare domestic sector on a low cost, mostly tiger who I’ve grown to really like.

In memory from my last VA flights the complimentary food and beverage was a 50g chocolate bar with a tiny plastic cup of water. Or a mini muffin with a little tub of yogurt.

They have made some product downgrades lately with some entry level fares on intl flights no longer including bags and seat selection (wrong downgrades in wrong areas imo) showing they are maybe having a rethink of the market position.

A complete fresh brand (expensive, confuses consumers, but frees the airline from paying royalties to an increasingly irrelevant brand) in the MOM position, with TT axed could look a bit like the following.

737-8 sized fleet forming the backbone of the network in the same 176 seat config they have now (no reconfig costs). Business class and economy X can be tuned with some cuts in unnecessary services.

A good use of customer facing technology will be vital for this new VA to make its biggest point of difference. Imagine an app with a booking portal that shows right up until boarding is called what seats are currently unassigned and just by selecting it in the app you can change your digital boarding pass to the new seat even if you originally booked basic economy you can upgrade to business whilst sitting at the gate waiting for boarding assuming you’re willing to pay the fee.

- Business class pax enjoy lounge access, bags, a business class meal, priority boarding.

- For economy X You enjoy priority boarding, extra leg room, a checked bag, and a certain value of credit for the Buy on Board.

- Economy will come in only one tier, with unbundling so pax can only pay for what they want. The basic selection will not include checked bags, or any flexibility. But you can pre select a seat for free. Food and beverage is buy on board. Addons such as check bags and flexibility will be offered as addons that can be purchased at any time through the booking portal.

All classes will have free access to streaming entertainment and WiFi access can be bought on board the flight.

About 20% of the fleet will be 737-10 sized. Business will be the same size as the smaller 73’s but it might add an extra row or two of X. Mostly it will just increase economy seating and can be used on golden triangle, high volume leisure destinations such as Ool and CNS plus some transcons.


You make some really interesting observations. I enjoy the service on Virgin by comparison to QF but on domestic/short haul international, it tends to always fall a bit short and always feels a bit half pregnant. Food is definately the biggest downside in Economy and 10 years on, still feels very LCC.
The digital experience across all platforms is poor and despite some tweaking in the past 12 months, is still lipstick on a pig IMO. I doubt there is any significant $ available to transform it so likely more of the same for the foreseeable future.

The brand name is irrelevant now and I would argue there is very little connection to it in the Australian marketplace, it could be called anything - it's a bit tawdry and whilst I understand a rebrand/rename would be expensive, it would be an interesting comparison to understand savings on royalties etc.

I still think VA across the Pacific is the best out there - I travel to NYC at least 4 times per year in J and the service and product on the 777 is excellent and of all the relationships/alliances, the one with DL is the easiest to navigate. All the other international alliances lack consistency and comprehension of what you are going to get or what you are entitled too as a VA FF. It's too hard to keep track of

We are spoilt in this country when it comes to airlines and I want VA to be successful but it does need to understand soon what is wants to be when it grows up and stick to it
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:46 pm

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it does need to understand soon what is wants to be when it grows up and stick to it


Great summation. Its parents havent been consistent in its upbringing...

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