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Can't be an A380 can it? LOL

Anybody able to share the full text of this paywalled article?


Not full but at least some of it.

https://www.pressreader.com/australia/t ... 6976444039


I think It will either be SQ223/214 upgrade to the A388 or a new service


Thinking about my earlier comment, SQ in the short term atleast will likely have a stack of 78J/35R to redeploy away from China/HKG so probably a 5th daily PER is the most likely, a later SIN arrival with short connections to the very late Europe departures? Early afternoon SIN-PER picking up a few early Asia arrival connections.

I don’t think an A380 is entirely unreasonable either with PEK/PVG/HKG all getting A380 turns during the day between long haul, they could leave them on the ground in SIN and I’d imagine add a third daily A380 to LHR again up from a 77W.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:34 am

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Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


Let's be honest. Borghetti never had a grand plan for China. It was all designed to get fresh money from HNA to buy him more time as he was drowning. The VA board should have fired him right there and then.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:18 am

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I think It will either be SQ223/214 upgrade to the A388 or a new service


Is the PER-SIN or even PER-SIN-xxx market big enough to drop an A380 onto this route? If SQ was to merge two flights, such as SQ226 and SQ214, into a single A380, that might make better economics then dumping all that capacity onto the route.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:33 am

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I think It will either be SQ223/214 upgrade to the A388 or a new service


Is the PER-SIN or even PER-SIN-xxx market big enough to drop an A380 onto this route? If SQ was to merge two flights, such as SQ226 and SQ214, into a single A380, that might make better economics then dumping all that capacity onto the route.


SQ can pick up traffic that may have gone through China/HKG to get to Europe, CX and the Chinese 3 aren’t huge in PER but there must be some Europe bound traffic to pick up and Other parts of Asia.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:57 am

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Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


Were will the 332’s end up going now? Maybe something safer like SYD-DPS or SYD-AKL?

Do wonder how the BNE-HND services will do, would think most of Asia will experience an short-term down turn.


It will be put on domestic for the time being, SYD-AKL and SYD-DPS would be to much capacity without cutting frequency. Would think BNE will see more A332 trans con flights for the time being.

From what I have heard VA is happy with how HND tickets have gone so far. If the A332 goes back to international I think it should replace SA on PER-JNB, think That could be a good route for VA or even perhaps a seasonal PER-AKL


Qantas and Cathay Pacific should now re-apply for their codeshare services over HKG. With Virgin throwing in the towel in Hong Kong they're not in a position to object to it like they were previously.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:30 am

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Were will the 332’s end up going now? Maybe something safer like SYD-DPS or SYD-AKL?

Do wonder how the BNE-HND services will do, would think most of Asia will experience an short-term down turn.


It will be put on domestic for the time being, SYD-AKL and SYD-DPS would be to much capacity without cutting frequency. Would think BNE will see more A332 trans con flights for the time being.

From what I have heard VA is happy with how HND tickets have gone so far. If the A332 goes back to international I think it should replace SA on PER-JNB, think That could be a good route for VA or even perhaps a seasonal PER-AKL


Qantas and Cathay Pacific should now re-apply for their codeshare services over HKG. With Virgin throwing in the towel in Hong Kong they're not in a position to object to it like they were previously.


IMHO it's even less likely to be approved now as it would create a de facto monopoly if the two remaining carriers were allowed to co-operate. While they would still be effective competitors in the absence of an immunised JV, the QF-SA codeshare was revoked on similar grounds.
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Curious what this would mean for the VA/VS coordination on the HKG-LHR services?!?


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Means there won't be any LOL
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:05 am

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Were will the 332’s end up going now? Maybe something safer like SYD-DPS or SYD-AKL?

Do wonder how the BNE-HND services will do, would think most of Asia will experience an short-term down turn.


It will be put on domestic for the time being, SYD-AKL and SYD-DPS would be to much capacity without cutting frequency. Would think BNE will see more A332 trans con flights for the time being.

From what I have heard VA is happy with how HND tickets have gone so far. If the A332 goes back to international I think it should replace SA on PER-JNB, think That could be a good route for VA or even perhaps a seasonal PER-AKL


Qantas and Cathay Pacific should now re-apply for their codeshare services over HKG. With Virgin throwing in the towel in Hong Kong they're not in a position to object to it like they were previously.


So it didn’t get through when they had a virtual monopoly and the logic being that it will get approved now they’re an actual monopoly?

It’s even less reason to approve it!
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:07 am

Qantas has sacked an employee after they refused to clean an aircraft after it arrived from Beijing. The employee cited concerns around Coronavirus and refused to clean the aircraft as a result

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 29a90d4956
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:10 am

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An extra A359 service daily is a bonus

Shame QF only runs a mix of A330s and 738s up.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:20 am

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An extra A359 service daily is a bonus

Shame QF only runs a mix of A330s and 738s up.


You mean they only run daily A330, the seasonal 738 has finished.

SQ will now have 1583 seats each way from/to PER. The new schedule is good though it will operate at a similar time to Scoot on some days, not that really matters as they operate some similar schedules now.
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:26 am

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Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


While this is bad news from a consumer perspective, I think it’s good to see VA rationalise it’s international division. Hopefully this will help its financial situation.

I wouldn’t be surprised if HND is axed 12-18 months after it begins. VA is clearly struggling to get its international division right and doesn’t have enough fat to weather the storms.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:57 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


While this is bad news from a consumer perspective, I think it’s good to see VA rationalise it’s international division. Hopefully this will help its financial situation.

I wouldn’t be surprised if HND is axed 12-18 months after it begins. VA is clearly struggling to get its international division right and doesn’t have enough fat to weather the storms.


TBH, VA should rationalise themselves to East Coast-LAX/AKL/DPS/NAN, BNE/MEL to CHC/WLG and BNE-HND, with everything else axed and/or transferred to partners where possible.

Yes, it would mean paying the Newcastle local government fees for ending the NTL seasonal trial early.

Considering VA under Scurrah invested in split scimitar singlets for the VAi 738 fleet, may as well use them on DPS/NAN If it's working for them.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:13 am

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Great news, though the avgeek in me would have much preferred to see them upgauge SQ223/214 to a 380. I guess the F demand would be limited mainly to European connections and redemptions.

The new SQ229 SIN-PER flight has a great schedule too - allows you to sleep in and check out of the hotel around 9:30 rather than 7am.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:26 am

Qantas and Cathay Pacific should now re-apply for their codeshare services over HKG. With Virgin throwing in the towel in Hong Kong they're not in a position to object to it like they were previously.[/quote]


My thoughts were of that too! With talk of CX about to reduce capacity across their network this could work in their favour.
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:31 am

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Means there won't be any LOL


Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:34 am

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Means there won't be any LOL


Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:38 am

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It will be put on domestic for the time being, SYD-AKL and SYD-DPS would be to much capacity without cutting frequency. Would think BNE will see more A332 trans con flights for the time being.

From what I have heard VA is happy with how HND tickets have gone so far. If the A332 goes back to international I think it should replace SA on PER-JNB, think That could be a good route for VA or even perhaps a seasonal PER-AKL


Qantas and Cathay Pacific should now re-apply for their codeshare services over HKG. With Virgin throwing in the towel in Hong Kong they're not in a position to object to it like they were previously.


So it didn’t get through when they had a virtual monopoly and the logic being that it will get approved now they’re an actual monopoly?

It’s even less reason to approve it!


The application had 3 basic elements to it:

1) Codesharing on additional CX services out of HKG for QF which the ACCC etc had no issue with;
2) Limited codesharing by QF on CX services which connected to those services out of HKG. (ie you had to have the onward ticket, not just the Australian - Hong Kong bit)
3) CX codesharing on QF services.

It was 3, and a bit of 2, that were the contentious parts of it. Virgin was the key objector to it because they basically put an argument that it would make it tough for them to build marketshare on the HKG route. Now we see that even without the codeshare they couldn't make it work, which was likely what was happening anyway, since they dropped HKG like a hot potato when HND came along. So with Virgin no longer able to object because they had a crack and couldn't make it work, there isn't any reason why 1 & 2 couldn't be done subject to limitations.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:55 am

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Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


So with HKG on the scrap heap, does VA even need 6 A332’s in their fleet with the exception of HND?

Assuming the 737M10s will still be taken up and fitted with their “game changing” J product, it doesn’t seem like they need an A332 for trans con flights.

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Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:59 am

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Means there won't be any LOL


Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Correct, they also had the B77W operate to HKT. NAN was also B77W at one point and then switched to a mix B738/A330.


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Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Correct, they also had the B77W operate to HKT. NAN was also B77W at one point and then switched to a mix B738/A330.


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NAN actually made a little bit of sense as it was pure utilisation flying. This is going back to 2008-9, but VA1 was an evening departure from SYD (similar times to QF49 or QF95) which allowed them to operate SYD-NAN-SYD in between VA2 inbound and VA1 outbound.

Outside of school holidays there was really no need for 350 daily seats to NAN, and they obviously decided that moving VA1 to a morning departure and parking the plane in LAX was more profitable (/less loss making). A 6am arrival in LAX has the advantage of maximising connections, whereas the evening arrivals in the USA don't connect to much at all.
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NAN seems to be booming. Why wouldn't VA put an A330 on SYD/NAN/SYD once or twice a week or more ? At least in peak season.

Fares to NAN seem much higher than to NZ.

Crazy situation with FJ to NAN. Cheapest fares around AUD$550-600 return per adult inc taxes, cf. cheapest to LAX/SFO return via NAN at around AUD$800 per adult inc taxes.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:46 am

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CraigAnderson wrote:
Means there won't be any LOL


Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Aren't DUD & NTL routes subsidised by local councils ?
 
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Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Correct, they also had the B77W operate to HKT. NAN was also B77W at one point and then switched to a mix B738/A330.


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With SQ moving to 5 services daily when are they going to do something about their lounge in PER

Not much room to swing a cat really
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 11:26 am

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zkncj wrote:

Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Correct, they also had the B77W operate to HKT. NAN was also B77W at one point and then switched to a mix B738/A330.


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NAN actually made a little bit of sense as it was pure utilisation flying. This is going back to 2008-9, but VA1 was an evening departure from SYD (similar times to QF49 or QF95) which allowed them to operate SYD-NAN-SYD in between VA2 inbound and VA1 outbound.

Outside of school holidays there was really no need for 350 daily seats to NAN, and they obviously decided that moving VA1 to a morning departure and parking the plane in LAX was more profitable (/less loss making). A 6am arrival in LAX has the advantage of maximising connections, whereas the evening arrivals in the USA don't connect to much at all.


I remember the late evening departure as if it was yesterday. I understand SYDNANSYD tag from frame utilisation perspective, but as for the SYDLAX timings would’ve been terrible having to overnight in LAX prior to continuing their journey. (As already mentioned)

QF had a similar service with the LAXSYD sector arriving approximately 21:30-22:00 if I’m not mistaken.

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NAN seems to be booming. Why wouldn't VA put an A330 on SYD/NAN/SYD once or twice a week or more ? At least in peak season.

Fares to NAN seem much higher than to NZ.

Crazy situation with FJ to NAN. Cheapest fares around AUD$550-600 return per adult inc taxes, cf. cheapest to LAX/SFO return via NAN at around AUD$800 per adult inc taxes.


They already use the A330 during the weekend down time when the spare capacity sits around on hard stands all day.



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EK413 wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Correct, they also had the B77W operate to HKT. NAN was also B77W at one point and then switched to a mix B738/A330.


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VA used to do PER to HKT using a 738


I believe they meant BNE/MEL-HKT which operated for not too long.

At one stage VA did MEL-LAX/JNB/HKT at the same time.
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Qantas has sacked an employee after they refused to clean an aircraft after it arrived from Beijing. The employee cited concerns around Coronavirus and refused to clean the aircraft as a result

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 29a90d4956

Oh this has law suit written all over it- and I think they'll win. Look at the optics: volunteer QF staff crew the WUH evacuation flight, but cleaners are forced to scrub inbound PEK/PVG flights. I wonder if any of the Chinese carriers are having issues getting their aircraft serviced here?

Moving along... a 5th SQ PER flight- is SQ going after EK for the kill?!?
 
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Qantas has sacked an employee after they refused to clean an aircraft after it arrived from Beijing. The employee cited concerns around Coronavirus and refused to clean the aircraft as a result

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 29a90d4956

Oh this has law suit written all over it- and I think they'll win. Look at the optics: volunteer QF staff crew the WUH evacuation flight, but cleaners are forced to scrub inbound PEK/PVG flights. I wonder if any of the Chinese carriers are having issues getting their aircraft serviced here?

Moving along... a 5th SQ PER flight- is SQ going after EK for the kill?!?


EK has been on a slow downward spiral out of PER for a longtime now. Late last year I did put forward the idea that SQ would add a 5th daily service to PER though I didn't expect it to be announced this soon, I expected something later in the year. Its only been 6 months since SQ added the A359 to PER to 2 daily flights plus another 787 flight, essentially they have added around 100 seats a day, and to already have been able to fill those speaks a lot about SQ. Their brand is very strong here, they are the biggest carrier when it comes to International traffic out of PER. Add in Scoot as well and they are now offering over 1.5 million seats to the PER market each year. Scoot now offers more seats than AirAsia X to PER and to think we will soon see SQ group airlines operate up to 7 widebodies a day between PER and SIN, that is impressive
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With SQ moving to 5 services daily when are they going to do something about their lounge in PER

Not much room to swing a cat really


I believe extensions on the SQ lounge start today
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Was only a matter of time - SQ have added a fifth flight to SYD and MEL, as well as a 4th to ADL, so it's no surprise to see PER getting an extra flight.

The return SQ229 is well-timed for O/D pax, however the flight there not so much (I understand it is geared towards connections though). Would have been nice to see a new daytime option to SIN though, as there are no flights between 0650 and 1405, even with the addition of this new flight. An 11am departure or similar would be great for passengers ex-PER and would better connect with SQ's evening wave of departures to India and SE Asia. Maybe something to consider if SQ ever add a 6th flight!
 
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NAN seems to be booming. Why wouldn't VA put an A330 on SYD/NAN/SYD once or twice a week or more ? At least in peak season.

Fares to NAN seem much higher than to NZ.

Crazy situation with FJ to NAN. Cheapest fares around AUD$550-600 return per adult inc taxes, cf. cheapest to LAX/SFO return via NAN at around AUD$800 per adult inc taxes.


My initial reaction to your post was "that's not crazy, crazy is when NAN is more expansive than SFO/LAX", something I have seen several times.

Fares to NAN are pretty expensive for how short the flight is. $550 is pretty good value for NAN, in school holidays $1000+ is not unusual. Combine pricey flights and accommodation, relatively high costs in destination, and decidedly average quality beaches (the outer islands are stunning but the vast majority of Australians stay on Viti Levu) I've never really understood Fiji's endearing popularity with Australians.
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Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


So with HKG on the scrap heap, does VA even need 6 A332’s in their fleet with the exception of HND?

Assuming the 737M10s will still be taken up and fitted with their “game changing” J product, it doesn’t seem like they need an A332 for trans con flights.
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VA is an in hard place they needed something larger, but the 73M10 and 321NEO LR we're not an thing then.

An fleet of A321NEO LR's would of been better suited to VA's need, than the A332s are now.
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:33 pm

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Chipmunk1973 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia axes SYD-HKG from March 2. So much for Borghetti's grand plans for China!

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ng-flights


So with HKG on the scrap heap, does VA even need 6 A332’s in their fleet with the exception of HND?

Assuming the 737M10s will still be taken up and fitted with their “game changing” J product, it doesn’t seem like they need an A332 for trans con flights.
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VA is an in hard place they needed something larger, but the 73M10 and 321NEO LR we're not an thing then.

An fleet of A321NEO LR's would of been better suited to VA's need, than the A332s are now.


I know VA aren’t in the financial position to be ordering shiny new aircraft right now (personally) the A350/B789 is a better fit for their International Ops.

The A330/B77W doesn’t provide the same flexibility as say the A350/B789. (I know this topic has been discussed)


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:44 am

QantasLink have doubled their flights to Kingscote, in what appears to be a massive up yours to Rex.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:50 am

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So with HKG on the scrap heap, does VA even need 6 A332’s in their fleet with the exception of HND?

Assuming the 737M10s will still be taken up and fitted with their “game changing” J product, it doesn’t seem like they need an A332 for trans con flights.
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VA is an in hard place they needed something larger, but the 73M10 and 321NEO LR we're not an thing then.

An fleet of A321NEO LR's would of been better suited to VA's need, than the A332s are now.


I know VA aren’t in the financial position to be ordering shiny new aircraft right now (personally) the A350/B789 is a better fit for their International Ops.

The A330/B77W doesn’t provide the same flexibility as say the A350/B789. (I know this topic has been discussed)


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SUrely VA would be better off getting rid og their very expensive leases on their A330s & also getting rid of B773s & go back to being an all B737 fleet. They could codeshare on international medium & long haul.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:58 am

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NAN seems to be booming. Why wouldn't VA put an A330 on SYD/NAN/SYD once or twice a week or more ? At least in peak season.

Fares to NAN seem much higher than to NZ.

Crazy situation with FJ to NAN. Cheapest fares around AUD$550-600 return per adult inc taxes, cf. cheapest to LAX/SFO return via NAN at around AUD$800 per adult inc taxes.


My initial reaction to your post was "that's not crazy, crazy is when NAN is more expansive than SFO/LAX", something I have seen several times.

Fares to NAN are pretty expensive for how short the flight is. $550 is pretty good value for NAN, in school holidays $1000+ is not unusual. Combine pricey flights and accommodation, relatively high costs in destination, and decidedly average quality beaches (the outer islands are stunning but the vast majority of Australians stay on Viti Levu) I've never really understood Fiji's endearing popularity with Australians.
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Fiji people make it great (fantastic with kids) & it a great stop on way or way home from USA or both, as no stress. Under 72 hours you don't pay Fiji depart tax which is substantial at FJ$200, which is about AU$135.
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:04 am

lessredtape wrote:
EK413 wrote:
zkncj wrote:

VA is an in hard place they needed something larger, but the 73M10 and 321NEO LR we're not an thing then.

An fleet of A321NEO LR's would of been better suited to VA's need, than the A332s are now.


I know VA aren’t in the financial position to be ordering shiny new aircraft right now (personally) the A350/B789 is a better fit for their International Ops.

The A330/B77W doesn’t provide the same flexibility as say the A350/B789. (I know this topic has been discussed)


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SUrely VA would be better off getting rid og their very expensive leases on their A330s & also getting rid of B773s & go back to being an all B737 fleet. They could codeshare on international medium & long haul.


Think most of the 77Ws are owned, the current resale price of the 77W probably isn’t to great, add that VA took the small cargo doors two which will reduce the buyers out there.

The 332s would depend on the lease terms, they would end by like the collect of ATRs sitting in NSN waiting for the leases to finish.....
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:31 am

zkncj wrote:
lessredtape wrote:
EK413 wrote:

I know VA aren’t in the financial position to be ordering shiny new aircraft right now (personally) the A350/B789 is a better fit for their International Ops.

The A330/B77W doesn’t provide the same flexibility as say the A350/B789. (I know this topic has been discussed)


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SUrely VA would be better off getting rid og their very expensive leases on their A330s & also getting rid of B773s & go back to being an all B737 fleet. They could codeshare on international medium & long haul.


Think most of the 77Ws are owned, the current resale price of the 77W probably isn’t to great, add that VA took the small cargo doors two which will reduce the buyers out there.

The 332s would depend on the lease terms, they would end by like the collect of ATRs sitting in NSN waiting for the leases to finish.....


Scurrah did single out LAX as the star performer that actually earns money on a generally small/weak VA int'l network.

IIRC, there are heftier penalties for ending A330 leases early, which are on a 10 yr term under JB. Its why PS was mentioned as renegotiating the A330 leases under his terms when the first batch of the A330s come off lease in 2022.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 1:58 am

lessredtape wrote:
zkncj wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Did even start?

VA really struggling to establish their international startups JNB, AUH, HKG...


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Wasn’t there HKT too? Back with the 77Ws in the early days.

Yet somehow they make BNE-DUD and NTL-AKL work?


Aren't DUD & NTL routes subsidised by local councils ?


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Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:47 am

SCFlyer wrote:
zkncj wrote:
lessredtape wrote:
SUrely VA would be better off getting rid og their very expensive leases on their A330s & also getting rid of B773s & go back to being an all B737 fleet. They could codeshare on international medium & long haul.


Think most of the 77Ws are owned, the current resale price of the 77W probably isn’t to great, add that VA took the small cargo doors two which will reduce the buyers out there.

The 332s would depend on the lease terms, they would end by like the collect of ATRs sitting in NSN waiting for the leases to finish.....


Scurrah did single out LAX as the star performer that actually earns money on a generally small/weak VA int'l network.

IIRC, there are heftier penalties for ending A330 leases early, which are on a 10 yr term under JB. Its why PS was mentioned as renegotiating the A330 leases under his terms when the first batch of the A330s come off lease in 2022.


I do recall qf789 mentioning PS was renegotiating the A330 leases and as for the B77W they really didn’t have much of a choice at the time of launching their US services.

Any idea why they opted for the smaller cargo doors on 2 of the 5 B77W?


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:58 am

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Was only a matter of time - SQ have added a fifth flight to SYD and MEL, as well as a 4th to ADL, so it's no surprise to see PER getting an extra flight.

The return SQ229 is well-timed for O/D pax, however the flight there not so much (I understand it is geared towards connections though). Would have been nice to see a new daytime option to SIN though, as there are no flights between 0650 and 1405, even with the addition of this new flight. An 11am departure or similar would be great for passengers ex-PER and would better connect with SQ's evening wave of departures to India and SE Asia. Maybe something to consider if SQ ever add a 6th flight!


I guess the issue with an 11am departure ex-PER would require the SIN-PER service to operate a dire schedule leaving SIN around 4:30am local time.
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:06 am

EK413 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Think most of the 77Ws are owned, the current resale price of the 77W probably isn’t to great, add that VA took the small cargo doors two which will reduce the buyers out there.

The 332s would depend on the lease terms, they would end by like the collect of ATRs sitting in NSN waiting for the leases to finish.....


Scurrah did single out LAX as the star performer that actually earns money on a generally small/weak VA int'l network.

IIRC, there are heftier penalties for ending A330 leases early, which are on a 10 yr term under JB. Its why PS was mentioned as renegotiating the A330 leases under his terms when the first batch of the A330s come off lease in 2022.


I do recall qf789 mentioning PS was renegotiating the A330 leases and as for the B77W they really didn’t have much of a choice at the time of launching their US services.

Any idea why they opted for the smaller cargo doors on 2 of the 5 B77W?


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I am not 100% why but MEL-LAX flights go out payload restricted particularly ex LAX. Also when the 77W's were order that was under V Australia and it was different back then to what it is now
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:15 am

qf789 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

Scurrah did single out LAX as the star performer that actually earns money on a generally small/weak VA int'l network.

IIRC, there are heftier penalties for ending A330 leases early, which are on a 10 yr term under JB. Its why PS was mentioned as renegotiating the A330 leases under his terms when the first batch of the A330s come off lease in 2022.


I do recall qf789 mentioning PS was renegotiating the A330 leases and as for the B77W they really didn’t have much of a choice at the time of launching their US services.

Any idea why they opted for the smaller cargo doors on 2 of the 5 B77W?


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I am not 100% why but MEL-LAX flights go out payload restricted particularly ex LAX. Also when the 77W's were order that was under V Australia and it was different back then to what it is now

77Ws were ordered in 2007. At the time, the options for delivery in 2009 that were capable of doing LAX non-stop were 77W, A346, 748 or A380. The A345 and 77L were also options but didn't save any cost for their reduced seat count. The 787-8 was a theoretical albeit much smaller option if they were prepared to wait until 2010 but that program ended up slipping badly so they realistically wouldn't have received anything until about 2013.

There is no way VA could sell their 77Ws at the moment, even if they wanted to. The secondhand widebody market is dire and will continue to decline as ME3 continue to return their older 77Ws to lessors. It is not just 777s however. There are virtually no active secondhand buyers for 777s, 747s, A330s, A340s or A380s with scrapping being a very real option for any plane over about 12 years old.

VA are currently renegotiating their A330 leases probably with a view for an extension of term offset by a reduction in lease costs. Given the current WB market, it is likely the lessor will be keen to accommodate their request rather than end up with returned planes in a couple of years that they can't place elsewhere.
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:18 am

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Are the A330s on same AOC as B737s ? Same company ?


The A330s operate under the International AOC.

Not to dissuade conversation, but things like that are fairly easy to look up through CASA's website, which allows searches for AOCs and specific aircraft registrations. Easier than waiting around for an answer.
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 6:16 am

EK413 wrote:

I know VA aren’t in the financial position to be ordering shiny new aircraft right now (personally) the A350/B789 is a better fit for their International Ops.

The A330/B77W doesn’t provide the same flexibility as say the A350/B789. (I know this topic has been discussed)


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Could they potentially source aircraft from the airlines that have a financial stake in VA?

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