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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:28 am
by NTLDaz
eamondzhang wrote:
EK413 wrote:
I’d say if the flight time and turn around times permit probably utilise QF25/26 ground time in HND.

SYD-HND-DRW-HND-SYD?

The aircraft more than likely wouldn’t require a deep clean like the last 2 humanitarian services.


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Think I read in the same article that the plane does need deep cleaning after the flight so IMO most likely to be an extra flight. Can't find it right now unfortunately.

Captdasbomb wrote:

A bit of overkill for i think about 20 Australians on the Corona Ship

Add a zero to your figure. Paper's reporting more than 200.

Michael


There are 20 who have the virus and are off the ship receiving medical treatment. Over 200 still on board.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:09 am
by Captdasbomb
NTLDaz wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
EK413 wrote:
I’d say if the flight time and turn around times permit probably utilise QF25/26 ground time in HND.

SYD-HND-DRW-HND-SYD?

The aircraft more than likely wouldn’t require a deep clean like the last 2 humanitarian services.


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Think I read in the same article that the plane does need deep cleaning after the flight so IMO most likely to be an extra flight. Can't find it right now unfortunately.

Captdasbomb wrote:

A bit of overkill for i think about 20 Australians on the Corona Ship

Add a zero to your figure. Paper's reporting more than 200.

Michael


There are 20 who have the virus and are off the ship receiving medical treatment. Over 200 still on board.


This is a voluntary flight & passengers have the option to stay in Japan till the March the 4th

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:15 am
by EK413
eamondzhang wrote:
EK413 wrote:
I’d say if the flight time and turn around times permit probably utilise QF25/26 ground time in HND.

SYD-HND-DRW-HND-SYD?

The aircraft more than likely wouldn’t require a deep clean like the last 2 humanitarian services.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Think I read in the same article that the plane does need deep cleaning after the flight so IMO most likely to be an extra flight. Can't find it right now unfortunately.

Captdasbomb wrote:

A bit of overkill for i think about 20 Australians on the Corona Ship

Add a zero to your figure. Paper's reporting more than 200.

Michael


Thanks for confirming and most importantly responding in a calm and collected manner not like some.




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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:40 am
by NTLDaz
Captdasbomb wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Think I read in the same article that the plane does need deep cleaning after the flight so IMO most likely to be an extra flight. Can't find it right now unfortunately.


Add a zero to your figure. Paper's reporting more than 200.

Michael


There are 20 who have the virus and are off the ship receiving medical treatment. Over 200 still on board.


This is a voluntary flight & passengers have the option to stay in Japan till the March the 4th


They're all voluntary flights. I reckon most will want to leg it home first chance they get.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:41 am
by benjjk
budgetflyer wrote:
On a related note, are there any updates regarding registration sequences? The Australian civil aircraft register seems to be getting pretty full, and with several dozen jets due over the next 5-7 years, I wonder what JQ and VA will do if they want to find a block of unused registration marks - eg. VAA-VAZ, or something along those lines.

Any idea what will happen when the register fills up?


The plan is so keep three digits but introduce numbers, e.g VH-A6T. VA were pushing for this to be in place last year for their Max order as blocks were getting harder to come by, but obviously that has been deferred. Assuming VA still receive the order next year we might see the new registrations opened within the next 12 months.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:42 am
by JQ321
SQ has reduced services to cities around the world:
For more details see: https://www.singaporeair.com/saar5/pdf/ ... pacity.pdf

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:41 am
by qf2220
Some quite significant reductions there...

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:56 am
by FL420FT
The Next DFAT evac charter, this time to HND will be operated by VH-OEE.

It was suppose to leave tonight (18FEB at approximately 2200hrs, however due to operational constraints, (slot controlled HND, remote parking bays staff willing to load the bags) VH-OEE has been delayed to depart until approx 1430 on 19FEB. Approximate ETA HND is 2200hrs. It will spend approximately 4 hours on the ground in HND (for DFAT, Quarantine, health checks), depart approximately 0200 on 19FEB arrive into DRW at approximately 0800 on 19FEB.
The plan is to spend approx 3 hours on the ground at DRW and arrive into SYD on 19FEB at 1930 local SYD time on 19FEB.

They expect approximately 200 Australians plus 7 Kiwi's onboard the flight.

It will have the same flight numbers QF6031 up and 6032 (via DRW) back.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:49 am
by qf2220
SYD about to get hit by a massive lightning and rainstorm. Right on curfew. Is this a valid reason to waive it for those on approach or that have been holding in the area?

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:04 pm
by moa999
If it's big enough those inbound will have to divert anyway

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:44 pm
by skipness1E
Apologies if asked elsewhere but couldn't find an answer using search. What is the QF 744 retirement schedule? Is it end of the southern winter or on towards Christmas?

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:42 pm
by VirginFlyer
skipness1E wrote:
Apologies if asked elsewhere but couldn't find an answer using search. What is the QF 744 retirement schedule? Is it end of the southern winter or on towards Christmas?

I asked the same thing earlier in this thread but didn’t get an answer. As I posted, it seems like HND and JNB are scheduled as 747-400 through to the end of published schedules in January, but I would assume that will change.

VirginFlyer wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered, but with the 747 fleet down to 5 aircraft now, what will be the next steps in their withdrawal? QF27/28 SYD-SCL-SYD goes to 787-9 from 24 June. The only other two routes the type is on regularly - QF25/26 SYD-HND-SYD and QF63/64 SYD-JNB-SYD - are both scheduled as 747-400 up until the last day loaded, January 27 2021. I am guessing that this will change however to have the type gone by the end of this year.


V/F

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:21 am
by soyuz
Interesting speculation in this article re the PS A35Ks. And as is not too unusual, GT couldn’t resist a dig at the A380 at the end, quoting unnamed “insiders”.
https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... m-machine/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:36 am
by qf2220
Re JNB and HND I'd be watching the results announcements in the next few days it August. A few more orders would answer this question

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:41 pm
by xiaotung
We know that HNA has been having financial troubles for sometime and COVID-19 seems to be the final nail in the coffin. News circulating on Chinese social media that Hainan Airlines will be taken over by Air China and their subsidiaries will be taken over by China Eastern and China Southern. Not sure what will happen to Hong Kong Airlines and VA's part ownership. Interesting time ahead.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:34 pm
by qf789
Air Seychelles is considering ordering the A321XLR so they can launch flights to PER

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/res ... rth-route/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:53 pm
by Obzerva
xiaotung wrote:
We know that HNA has been having financial troubles for sometime and COVID-19 seems to be the final nail in the coffin. News circulating on Chinese social media that Hainan Airlines will be taken over by Air China and their subsidiaries will be taken over by China Eastern and China Southern. Not sure what will happen to Hong Kong Airlines and VA's part ownership. Interesting time ahead.


I’d imagine the shares would be offloaded, not sure to who though. They’d be taking a loss.
Having said that, if they were to be held on, as a medium term option if VA was to end up as an “accidental” partner of one of China’s big 3, would that be such a bad thing, CA in particular, given MU and CZ’s relationships with QF.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:22 pm
by SCFlyer
Obzerva wrote:
xiaotung wrote:
We know that HNA has been having financial troubles for sometime and COVID-19 seems to be the final nail in the coffin. News circulating on Chinese social media that Hainan Airlines will be taken over by Air China and their subsidiaries will be taken over by China Eastern and China Southern. Not sure what will happen to Hong Kong Airlines and VA's part ownership. Interesting time ahead.


I’d imagine the shares would be offloaded, not sure to who though. They’d be taking a loss.
Having said that, if they were to be held on, as a medium term option if VA was to end up as an “accidental” partner of one of China’s big 3, would that be such a bad thing, CA in particular, given MU and CZ’s relationships with QF.


IF I recall, CZ's relationship with QF is only a interline. MU is QF's codeshare partner.

As for CA, I'd say they'd want to offload their stake in VA and HX asap. Especially when CA has a financial interest in the later's major rival. Who in turn has a freshly signed codeshare relationship with QF on limited routes out of HKG.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:15 pm
by getluv
QF and CZ are codeshare partners.

CZ gives QF quite a bit of access to southern China.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:18 pm
by qf789
Qantas has announced its first half results today

Underlying profit of $771 million before tax
Statutory profit of $648 million before tax
Reduction of Asian capacity of 15% up till May
Impact of Coronavirus to be around $100-150 million
Assessing moving another JQ A320 to QantasLink for FIFO market
PER-LHR continues to outperform

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... half-fy20/

Coronavirus impact

Australia to NZ reduced by 6% for QF and 5% for JQ
Cancellations on SYD-AKL, MEL-AKL and BNE-CHC
SYD-PVG remains suspended
SYD-HKG reduces from 14 to 7 weekly
BNE-HKG reduces from 7 to 4 weekly
MEL-HKG reduced from 7 to 5 weekly
MEL-SIN A380 replaced by 789
Domestic capacity to be reduced by 2.3%
Overall capacity reduction is equivalent to grounding 18 aircraft
JQ to reduce CNS-NRT, CNS-KIX, OOL-NRT, SYD-HKT and MEL-HKT by up to 2 weekly each

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ronavirus/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:23 am
by qf789
Qantas will increase frequency to HNL for March to 6 weekly up from 4 weekly, the additional 2 weekly will be operated by 747’s

https://blueswandaily.com/qantas-to-inc ... -mar-2020/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:09 am
by SCFlyer
From an earlier prediction on one of my posts last month:

SCFlyer wrote:
HNA will (again) attempt to try to sell their stake, but to no avail.

Original URL: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437871&#p21893035

I wonder if the HNA offload of their VA stake will "finally" happen (would be happy to be proven wrong from earlier prediction). However, investors are staying away from VA in droves, making a buyer extremely difficult.

Other possibility is that CA becomes owner of the HX / VA stakes by "default". Can't see CA holding on both stakes for long and would want to offload them (or absorb the remaining assets of HX into CX).

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:00 am
by waoz1
qf789 wrote:
Air Seychelles is considering ordering the A321XLR so they can launch flights to PER

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/res ... rth-route/


Id be up for that one, often thought a few spots like Seychelles are untapped markets.

Just looking at my flights to Honkers... to cancel or not to cancel is the question, hard to find alternate options.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:46 am
by ben175
qf789 wrote:
Air Seychelles is considering ordering the A321XLR so they can launch flights to PER

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/res ... rth-route/


Yes please!

Team up with QF or VA, slap a codeshare on it and they’d be good to go.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:53 am
by waoz1
ben175 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Air Seychelles is considering ordering the A321XLR so they can launch flights to PER

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/res ... rth-route/


Yes please!

Team up with QF or VA, slap a codeshare on it and they’d be good to go.


I believe they have a codeshare agreement with VA. I think they may also codeshare with SAA in and out of Perth

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:32 am
by Chipmunk1973
soyuz wrote:
Interesting speculation in this article re the PS A35Ks. And as is not too unusual, GT couldn’t resist a dig at the A380 at the end, quoting unnamed “insiders”.
https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... m-machine/


Well I guess when any articles talk about comments from insiders then it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

However, the comment about QF purchasing up to 30 A350s does echo a question/thought bubble I posted a few days ago. I suggested that 10-12 A35Ks seemed like a small number. If they were to purchase that many, would that suggest two configurations of the plane? A 270 seat, 4 class ULH product, and perhaps a 3 class LH product (J, W, Y) that would seat somewhere 330-360 seats?

Whilst I don’t expect they’d be getting all those frames in a very short timeframe, it really does make me wonder if QF fleet planning is taking into account some splitting of services between SYD and SWZ once that airport starts operating. Could there be sufficient traffic from Western Sydney to offer a daily SWZ-SIN (3 Class A35K) and then converge those flights onto an A388 that operates between SIN and LHR?

And it is conceivable that QF could push the A388 out of service sooner rather than later, but given their history with planes, I would expect them to keep using them where they know that they can maintain very positive load factors such as SYD-LAX, SYD-SFO.

Finally, given this scenario, how many more 787s (9s or maybe 10s) do we expect them to order and where do they fit in all of this?

Rgds,
C1973

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:25 am
by RyanairGuru
If, and it's a big if, Qantas eventually end up with a fleet of 20+ A350s then I actually could see the A380s going in 2026-2028. That would be a comparable time after the current reconfiguration as the 6 747-400ERs and OJS/T/U which were reconfigured in ~2012. Just like the 747 v 787, I think QF will almost single-mindedly retire them ASAP on the basis of fuel savings and lower capacity forcing up yields and allowing greater flexibility.

Like the 787 though, I expect fleet growth will be slow and incremental, and QF will leave themselves the option of either adding more A350s in due course or allow the A380s to stay until ~2030 depending on a whole raft of known unknowns over the next 5-10 years.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:32 pm
by ben175
Was looking at fares to Europe in peak period and Philippine Airlines have one-way (!) fares from Perth to London via Manila for $528 in late June... absolutely crazy! Does include a 16 hour layover, but the airport hotels look cheap as chips.

Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:12 pm
by EK413
8 years since construction started BNE 2nd runway is set to open 12 July 2020

[url=https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/future-seq/brisbane-airports-second-runway-will-open-on-july-12/news-story/bd7a9c6c7d43ed93c94aedbfadd99619]Brisbane Airport’s second runway will open on July 12

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:55 am
by airliner86
all this talk of project sunrise flights SYD/JFK but, no one from BNE, MEL, OOL, MCY, CNS is going to fly to SYD just to get a nonstop, when they can fly via AKL & easily connect in same terminal, at probably a lower cost. Ok, they'll end up at EWR not JFK, but both are roughly same distance to Manhattan.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:29 am
by RyanairGuru
airliner86 wrote:
all this talk of project sunrise flights SYD/JFK but, no one from BNE, MEL, OOL, MCY, CNS is going to fly to SYD just to get a nonstop, when they can fly via AKL & easily connect in same terminal, at probably a lower cost. Ok, they'll end up at EWR not JFK, but both are roughly same distance to Manhattan.


A lot of people will absolutely go through Sydney, especially among the "high yield" demographics, just to fly Qantas. People consistently underestimate just how valuable Qantas Frequent Flyer is. Qantas have a very dominant market share among high value passengers in this country. If they miss out on more intermittent or price motivated passengers then they really couldn't give a toss, so long as they hold onto their core passenger base. NZ are a solid competitor, no doubt about it, but they aren't going to make significant inroads into Qantas' baked-on loyalists.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:42 am
by tullamarine
airliner86 wrote:
all this talk of project sunrise flights SYD/JFK but, no one from BNE, MEL, OOL, MCY, CNS is going to fly to SYD just to get a nonstop, when they can fly via AKL & easily connect in same terminal, at probably a lower cost. Ok, they'll end up at EWR not JFK, but both are roughly same distance to Manhattan.

I think QF have announced that MEL will also operate PS flights and, between the two, that probably covers off the majority of high yield premium pax. The real test will be how much of a premium QF can get away with. There has been talk of 30% which seems a bit ambitious; I'd have thought about 10-15% was tolerable for business travellers. Much more than that would seem to encourage shopping around. PS isn't really targetted at leisure travellers but there will be some particularly in J, W and Y. It is possible some of these won't value the non-stop at all and prefer to have a break in SIN or LAX in which case these people won't accept any premium.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:05 am
by smi0006
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
soyuz wrote:
Interesting speculation in this article re the PS A35Ks. And as is not too unusual, GT couldn’t resist a dig at the A380 at the end, quoting unnamed “insiders”.
https://www.airlineratings.com/news/qan ... m-machine/


Well I guess when any articles talk about comments from insiders then it has to be taken with a grain of salt.

However, the comment about QF purchasing up to 30 A350s does echo a question/thought bubble I posted a few days ago. I suggested that 10-12 A35Ks seemed like a small number. If they were to purchase that many, would that suggest two configurations of the plane? A 270 seat, 4 class ULH product, and perhaps a 3 class LH product (J, W, Y) that would seat somewhere 330-360 seats?

Whilst I don’t expect they’d be getting all those frames in a very short timeframe, it really does make me wonder if QF fleet planning is taking into account some splitting of services between SYD and SWZ once that airport starts operating. Could there be sufficient traffic from Western Sydney to offer a daily SWZ-SIN (3 Class A35K) and then converge those flights onto an A388 that operates between SIN and LHR?

And it is conceivable that QF could push the A388 out of service sooner rather than later, but given their history with planes, I would expect them to keep using them where they know that they can maintain very positive load factors such as SYD-LAX, SYD-SFO.

Finally, given this scenario, how many more 787s (9s or maybe 10s) do we expect them to order and where do they fit in all of this?

Rgds,
C1973


I could see long term fleet of 789/78J & 359/35K- with the 359 replacing the 789 which could move to Asia, or stay on longer thinner routes.
SYD-JKF 35K
SYD/MEL-LHR 35K
SYD-DFW 35K
SYD-ORD 359
MEL-DFW 359
PER-LHR 359

MEL/BNE-SFO 789
SYD-JNB/SCL/SFO/CPT 789
MEL-JNB 789
PER-CDG/FRA 789
SYD/MEL-YVR seasonal 789

SYD-SIN-LHR 380
SYD/MEL-HKG/SIN 380

On top of this 321XLR/330/78J additional top up frequency into Asia.

Naturally is QF willing to take on this much risk and capital investment in the coming years, I’m skeptical.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:15 am
by moa999
All depends on the pricing. Remember QF supposedly got very good pricing on the 787 options.

I could equally see
10-12 35Js in 2023-24
12-15 789s in 2025-27 to replace 333s
12-15 35Kneos in 2028-30 to replace 380s assuming a stretched new engine is launched in that time frame.

But it's going to be a while before that decision needs to be made.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:24 am
by qf2220
RyanairGuru wrote:
airliner86 wrote:
all this talk of project sunrise flights SYD/JFK but, no one from BNE, MEL, OOL, MCY, CNS is going to fly to SYD just to get a nonstop, when they can fly via AKL & easily connect in same terminal, at probably a lower cost. Ok, they'll end up at EWR not JFK, but both are roughly same distance to Manhattan.


A lot of people will absolutely go through Sydney, especially among the "high yield" demographics, just to fly Qantas. People consistently underestimate just how valuable Qantas Frequent Flyer is. Qantas have a very dominant market share among high value passengers in this country. If they miss out on more intermittent or price motivated passengers then they really couldn't give a toss, so long as they hold onto their core passenger base. NZ are a solid competitor, no doubt about it, but they aren't going to make significant inroads into Qantas' baked-on loyalists.


PS is also about pulling passengers back from EK, SQ, CX, EY, QR etc who are SYD/MEL/JFK/LHR based and want a non stop. So it may not need that many to be coming from the MCYs of the country to make sense.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:32 am
by usssla
SCFlyer wrote:
From an earlier prediction on one of my posts last month:

SCFlyer wrote:
HNA will (again) attempt to try to sell their stake, but to no avail.

Original URL: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437871&#p21893035

I wonder if the HNA offload of their VA stake will "finally" happen (would be happy to be proven wrong from earlier prediction). However, investors are staying away from VA in droves, making a buyer extremely difficult.

Other possibility is that CA becomes owner of the HX / VA stakes by "default". Can't see CA holding on both stakes for long and would want to offload them (or absorb the remaining assets of HX into CX).


CA cannot own HX share as the mutual agreement signed with CX.
I guess VA share will be sold to CZ which makes business sense.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:29 am
by qf2220
qf2220 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QR905 MEL-DOH is doing laps around MEL


A380 also doing a very late go around in SYD, im assuming WX related. SQ231. I only noticed as it's very rare to hear A380 engines at high power over my place.


Looks like this go-around was not one they should have executed in this way.....

https://www.atsb.gov.au/publications/in ... -2020-011/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:39 am
by vhqpa
RyanairGuru wrote:
airliner86 wrote:
all this talk of project sunrise flights SYD/JFK but, no one from BNE, MEL, OOL, MCY, CNS is going to fly to SYD just to get a nonstop, when they can fly via AKL & easily connect in same terminal, at probably a lower cost. Ok, they'll end up at EWR not JFK, but both are roughly same distance to Manhattan.


A lot of people will absolutely go through Sydney, especially among the "high yield" demographics, just to fly Qantas. People consistently underestimate just how valuable Qantas Frequent Flyer is. Qantas have a very dominant market share among high value passengers in this country. If they miss out on more intermittent or price motivated passengers then they really couldn't give a toss, so long as they hold onto their core passenger base. NZ are a solid competitor, no doubt about it, but they aren't going to make significant inroads into Qantas' baked-on loyalists.


Is SYD really that bad to connect at? QF have an efficient transfer service between T1 and T3 which makes use of airside roads. For MEL you can even make the case that SYD is more direct than flying east to AKL, then northeast to North America. As a BNE based QFF I'd absolutely consider the SYD transit, especially when the alternative (on QF) Is a transit elsewhere in the US.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:53 am
by Chipmunk1973
vhqpa wrote:
Is SYD really that bad to connect at? QF have an efficient transfer service between T1 and T3 which makes use of airside roads. For MEL you can even make the case that SYD is more direct than flying east to AKL, then northeast to North America. As a BNE based QFF I'd absolutely consider the SYD transit, especially when the alternative (on QF) Is a transit elsewhere in the US.


I’m in the same boat as you in that I am BNE based. In January I flew to NOU and transited through SYD from T3 to T1 without any hassles. And I’ll have to do it again in a couple of months time when flying to NAN.

And yes I do know that there are direct flights to these locations from BNE, I chose the via SYD option specifically to fly certain aircraft. SBs A339 and FJs A359.

Rgds,
C1973

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:01 am
by Chipmunk1973
moa999 wrote:
All depends on the pricing. Remember QF supposedly got very good pricing on the 787 options.


If I recall, the Options/Purchase Rights prices were not indefinite but had staged deadlines across the number remaining numbers. Can anyone clarify that?

Thanks,
C1973

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:30 am
by Chipmunk1973
smi0006 wrote:
I could see long term fleet of 789/78J & 359/35K- with the 359 replacing the 789 which could move to Asia, or stay on longer thinner routes.
SYD-JKF 35K
SYD/MEL-LHR 35K
SYD-DFW 35K
SYD-ORD 359
MEL-DFW 359
PER-LHR 359

MEL/BNE-SFO 789
SYD-JNB/SCL/SFO/CPT 789
MEL-JNB 789
PER-CDG/FRA 789
SYD/MEL-YVR seasonal 789

SYD-SIN-LHR 380
SYD/MEL-HKG/SIN 380

On top of this 321XLR/330/78J additional top up frequency into Asia.

Naturally is QF willing to take on this much risk and capital investment in the coming years, I’m skeptical.


To address your last point first, well QF has been relatively CAPEX light for quite some time. The 789s were said to be a 747 replacement which on a plane per plane basis is correct but certainly not capacity.

I’m wondering if QF is taking the view of fleet and hub splitting based on location. By that I mean that the majority LH services out of PER will be via the B789, and LH and ULH out of SYD and MEL with the A35K.

So in terms of fleet it would be:

B789
PER-LHR
PER-CDG
PER-FRA
PER-JNB
PER-SIN

A35K
SYD-LHR
SYD-SFO
SYD-JFK
SYD-DFW
SYD-SCL
SYD-JNB
SYD-CPT
MEL-LHR
MEL-SFO
MEL-JFK

The only issue I can’t fathom is how they’d treat BNE. Perhaps it’ll also be a B789 hub too.

So basically the A388 is left to mop up SYD-SIN, SYD-SIN-LHR, SYD-HKG, SYD-HND (any word yet if they can get this through?), SYD-LAX, MEL-SIN, MEL-LAX.

Cheers,
C1973

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:05 pm
by EK413
Do we have a list of all the China based carriers and their reduced services to Australia, Sydney specifically?


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:12 am
by zkncj
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
Is SYD really that bad to connect at? QF have an efficient transfer service between T1 and T3 which makes use of airside roads. For MEL you can even make the case that SYD is more direct than flying east to AKL, then northeast to North America. As a BNE based QFF I'd absolutely consider the SYD transit, especially when the alternative (on QF) Is a transit elsewhere in the US.


I’m in the same boat as you in that I am BNE based. In January I flew to NOU and transited through SYD from T3 to T1 without any hassles. And I’ll have to do it again in a couple of months time when flying to NAN.

And yes I do know that there are direct flights to these locations from BNE, I chose the via SYD option specifically to fly certain aircraft. SBs A339 and FJs A359.

Rgds,
C1973


Isn’t SYD’s long term plan is to relocate all QF services to T2/3, and move VA/TT over to T1.

Which this would solve the connecting issues, although I done it plenty of times without to much issues. Admittedly most recently all the connections have been in J, which might help.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:10 am
by tullamarine
zkncj wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
Is SYD really that bad to connect at? QF have an efficient transfer service between T1 and T3 which makes use of airside roads. For MEL you can even make the case that SYD is more direct than flying east to AKL, then northeast to North America. As a BNE based QFF I'd absolutely consider the SYD transit, especially when the alternative (on QF) Is a transit elsewhere in the US.


I’m in the same boat as you in that I am BNE based. In January I flew to NOU and transited through SYD from T3 to T1 without any hassles. And I’ll have to do it again in a couple of months time when flying to NAN.

And yes I do know that there are direct flights to these locations from BNE, I chose the via SYD option specifically to fly certain aircraft. SBs A339 and FJs A359.

Rgds,
C1973


Isn’t SYD’s long term plan is to relocate all QF services to T2/3, and move VA/TT over to T1.

Which this would solve the connecting issues, although I done it plenty of times without to much issues. Admittedly most recently all the connections have been in J, which might help.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:12 am
by tullamarine
zkncj wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
Is SYD really that bad to connect at? QF have an efficient transfer service between T1 and T3 which makes use of airside roads. For MEL you can even make the case that SYD is more direct than flying east to AKL, then northeast to North America. As a BNE based QFF I'd absolutely consider the SYD transit, especially when the alternative (on QF) Is a transit elsewhere in the US.


I’m in the same boat as you in that I am BNE based. In January I flew to NOU and transited through SYD from T3 to T1 without any hassles. And I’ll have to do it again in a couple of months time when flying to NAN.

And yes I do know that there are direct flights to these locations from BNE, I chose the via SYD option specifically to fly certain aircraft. SBs A339 and FJs A359.

Rgds,
C1973


Isn’t SYD’s long term plan is to relocate all QF services to T2/3, and move VA/TT over to T1.

Which this would solve the connecting issues, although I done it plenty of times without to much issues. Admittedly most recently all the connections have been in J, which might help.

No, this idea has been canned. It was briefly considered but never went anywhere. VA was not a fan as it meant they would be further from the city potentially affecting corporate accounts. It also relied on the QF Jet Base being located in another state which faced some union pushback.

Terminal transfers are the same regardless of what class you travel in.

Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:15 am
by EK413
Today’s QF41 SYDCGK on VHEBC had a medical diversion to KTA.

The aircraft has just departed KTA.

Flight QF41 from Karratha to Jakarta
https://fr24.com/QFA041/23f2e621

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:55 am
by qf002
zkncj wrote:
Isn’t SYD’s long term plan is to relocate all QF services to T2/3, and move VA/TT over to T1.


The plan to move VA to T1 has been scrapped but QF could still consolidate to a built-out T3 on the eastern side.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:24 am
by moa999
Correct - latest Masterplan
https://www.sydneyairport.com.au/corpor ... -downloads

Section 2 is the most relevant to read.

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:59 pm
by qf789
Cathay latest changes, in March 74 weekly services reduced to 33 weekly services

ADL - reduced from 4 to 2 weekly, 4 -7 Mar 20, cancelled from 8-28 Mar 20
BNE - reduced from 11 to 6-7 weekly from 1 Mar 20
MEL - reduced from 21 to 12 weekly 20-29 Feb 20, further reduced to 10 weekly 1-28 Mar 20
PER - reduced from 10 to 8 weekly 19-29 Feb 20, operating 5-6 weekly 1-28 Mar 20
SYD - 28 weekly reduced to 17 weekly 10-29 Feb 20, further reduced to 12 weekly 1-28 Mar 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-21feb20/

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:03 pm
by qf789
Jetstar Asia to launch flights to CMB from July, could this be the first step for them to start flying to India and also help support a future QF flight to India

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... july-2020/