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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:01 am

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QF6031 about to land in WUH, change in plan though will now go to LEA instead of DRW

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/pas ... er-sunday/


Just departed WUH 7 hours later than planned with ETA 15:00 into LEA.

Flight QF6032 from Wuhan to Learmonth
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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:16 am

Rex have kicked Kangaroo Island while they are down, cancelling services to Kingscote. They're essentially blaming Qantas for providing some competiton to the route.

https://www.theislanderonline.com.au/st ... e/?cs=1525
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:20 am

Qantas16 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF6031 about to land in WUH, change in plan though will now go to LEA instead of DRW

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/pas ... er-sunday/


Just departed WUH 7 hours later than planned with ETA 15:00 into LEA.

Flight QF6032 from Wuhan to Learmonth
https://fr24.com/QFA6032/23bcd270

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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!


Being a humanitarian service I’d say crew hours aren’t the biggest issue here and from what I’ve heard crew volunteered to operate the service.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:30 am

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Rex have kicked Kangaroo Island while they are down, cancelling services to Kingscote. They're essentially blaming Qantas for providing some competiton to the route.

https://www.theislanderonline.com.au/st ... e/?cs=1525


Talk about another kick in the guts. We need to recover from the bushfire disaster and this is when the government needs to step in and provide airlines incentives to service these fire stricken towns.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:49 am

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Rex have kicked Kangaroo Island while they are down, cancelling services to Kingscote. They're essentially blaming Qantas for providing some competiton to the route.

https://www.theislanderonline.com.au/st ... e/?cs=1525

They have also cancelled Ballina according to that article. Qantas recently announced a daily Syd-Ballina Q300 service.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:17 am

EK413 wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Just departed WUH 7 hours later than planned with ETA 15:00 into LEA.

Flight QF6032 from Wuhan to Learmonth
https://fr24.com/QFA6032/23bcd270

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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!


Being a humanitarian service I’d say crew hours aren’t the biggest issue here and from what I’ve heard crew volunteered to operate the service.


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Sure, but it stills becomes a safety issue at some point. Also I presume "volunteer" meaning it was optional to operate the flight but they will still be paid for it... I can't imagine to many volunteering to do it for free and nor should they be expected to.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:19 am

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Rex have kicked Kangaroo Island while they are down, cancelling services to Kingscote. They're essentially blaming Qantas for providing some competiton to the route.

https://www.theislanderonline.com.au/st ... e/?cs=1525

They have also cancelled Ballina according to that article. Qantas recently announced a daily Syd-Ballina Q300 service.


Rex has never tried to be competition to QF, they know they can't win that fight. They go after smaller regional routes QF has long given up on. If anything, Rex should be thanked for building up routes to be strong enough to support QF service!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:19 am

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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!


Being a humanitarian service I’d say crew hours aren’t the biggest issue here and from what I’ve heard crew volunteered to operate the service.


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Sure, but it stills becomes a safety issue at some point. Also I presume "volunteer" meaning it was optional to operate the flight but they will still be paid for it... I can't imagine to many volunteering to do it for free and nor should they be expected to.


Crew will be having minimal interaction with the passengers with all isolated to the y/c cabin.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:15 am

Just been having a look at FR24 and it appears that QF6032 is heading to Darwin and not Learmonth.

Tech stop for flight crew or maybe a medical issue?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:17 am

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a320fan wrote:
brucetiki wrote:
Rex have kicked Kangaroo Island while they are down, cancelling services to Kingscote. They're essentially blaming Qantas for providing some competiton to the route.

https://www.theislanderonline.com.au/st ... e/?cs=1525

They have also cancelled Ballina according to that article. Qantas recently announced a daily Syd-Ballina Q300 service.


Rex has never tried to be competition to QF, they know they can't win that fight. They go after smaller regional routes QF has long given up on. If anything, Rex should be thanked for building up routes to be strong enough to support QF service!


The only route that I can think of where Rex went up against QantasLink when they were already established is Armidale. ARM was a legacy Kendall route but QantasLink pushed Rex out of the market at some point in the 2000s (not sure when?) but ZL subsequently resumed ARM in 2015 against 4x daily QF. Both have seemed to coexist there relatively well, and of course they also both serve WGA and ABX.

Blaming BNK on Qantas seems like a stretch. I'd guess that route was already very tenuous as both VA and JQ can serve the route at much lower costs, and ZL could only hold on by serving the business community with an early morning down and evening return. As soon as QF announced a comparable schedule they didn't even bother to compete and left straight away.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:21 am

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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!


Being a humanitarian service I’d say crew hours aren’t the biggest issue here and from what I’ve heard crew volunteered to operate the service.


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Sure, but it stills becomes a safety issue at some point. Also I presume "volunteer" meaning it was optional to operate the flight but they will still be paid for it... I can't imagine to many volunteering to do it for free and nor should they be expected to.


They staffed the flight with 4 pilots when 3 would have been sufficient so I'd say they'd planned for this eventuality.

I can't recall the exact language in their EBA, but the international flight attendants can voluntarily extend their duty day to 20 (24?) hours, with generous overtime payments to compensate.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:28 am

EK413 wrote:
Qantas16 wrote:
EK413 wrote:

Just departed WUH 7 hours later than planned with ETA 15:00 into LEA.

Flight QF6032 from Wuhan to Learmonth
https://fr24.com/QFA6032/23bcd270

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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!


Being a humanitarian service I’d say crew hours aren’t the biggest issue here and from what I’ve heard crew volunteered to operate the service.


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Given that the passengers aren't paying it may have been possible to run this as a private flight, so flight & duty time limits wouldn't apply. If the insurers don't like that idea then carrying a full crew would give them 20 hours, which the back of my napkin scribbles say is enough even with the delay.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:37 am

Perth Airport has confirmed CZ has cancelled to end of March and MU operated their last service today ending the trial 2 weeks earlier than planned

https://twitter.com/PerthAirport/status ... 78528?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:45 am

Interview from Alan Joyce this morning on Sunrise, crew isolated on upperdeck on the flight from WUH and will not be transferred to XCH with the passengers, China flights quite full till suspension, they account for about 2% on their International market. The main concern is the knock on effect to tourism which of course is unknown at the moment

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 65376?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:47 am

1680 passengers flew into SYD from China yesterday, 9 referred to testing, today 1500 arrived from China 6 referred for testing

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:01 am

A health alert has been issued after 2 passengers have been diagnosed with Coronavirus after arriving in ADL on CZ663

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/court ... 82.article
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:04 am

Rex strafes Qantas over 'capacity dumping' as it ditches Ballina

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:05 am

Australia is expecting a massive loss in tourism due to the coronavirus. Could we see the flat domestic market grow where Aussies decide to holiday in Australia then overseas?

https://twitter.com/newscomauHQ/status/ ... 62784?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 am

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Interview from Alan Joyce this morning on Sunrise, crew isolated on upperdeck on the flight from WUH and will not be transferred to XCH with the passengers, China flights quite full till suspension, they account for about 2% on their International market. The main concern is the knock on effect to tourism which of course is unknown at the moment

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 65376?s=20


Thanks for confirming I heard this would be the case with the passengers isolated from the operating crew & support crew.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:13 am

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Interview from Alan Joyce this morning on Sunrise, crew isolated on upperdeck on the flight from WUH and will not be transferred to XCH with the passengers, China flights quite full till suspension, they account for about 2% on their International market. The main concern is the knock on effect to tourism which of course is unknown at the moment

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 65376?s=20


Thanks for confirming I heard this would be the case with the passengers isolated from the operating crew & support crew.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:15 am

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EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
QF6031 about to land in WUH, change in plan though will now go to LEA instead of DRW

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/pas ... er-sunday/


Just departed WUH 7 hours later than planned with ETA 15:00 into LEA.

Flight QF6032 from Wuhan to Learmonth
https://fr24.com/QFA6032/23bcd270

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Interested in crew hours here given I presume same crew is operating HKG-WUH-LEA... so a 7 hour delay must be really pushing those hours? Special circumstances I understand, no crew wants to be stranded in WUH right now!


With the flight now arriving in LEA about 1530 now what is the plan? Before it was delayed it was suppose to land at 1100 and then depart at 1400 to position to SYD. Due to the later arrival they will be hit by the curfew at SYD. Do they wait until around 2300 and then depart to SYD or will they position to PER then to SYD, at least in PER they have facilities for the crew. I presume that a fresh crew will be flown up to LEA.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:20 am

It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?
Have the transfer aircraft been confirmed as C-17s? Not sure if the C-17s have the range to fly from DRW to CI, if the nearest planned alternate is LEA?
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:29 am

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It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?
Have the transfer aircraft been confirmed as C-17s? Not sure if the C-17s have the range to fly from DRW to CI, if the nearest planned alternate is LEA?


There was just a live news story from LEA, in the background are 2 Skytrader A320's though on FR24 it says there are 2 C-130's on the ground at LEA. The position of OEE seems to be estimated atm so I guess we will know pretty soon if it happens to end up at DRW
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:30 am

EK413 wrote:
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Interview from Alan Joyce this morning on Sunrise, crew isolated on upperdeck on the flight from WUH and will not be transferred to XCH with the passengers, China flights quite full till suspension, they account for about 2% on their International market. The main concern is the knock on effect to tourism which of course is unknown at the moment

https://twitter.com/7NewsSydney/status/ ... 65376?s=20


Thanks for confirming I heard this would be the case with the passengers isolated from the operating crew & support crew.


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There are 243 passengers onboard including 89 children

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-h ... SL4N2A30EX
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:44 am

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jrfspa320 wrote:
It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?
Have the transfer aircraft been confirmed as C-17s? Not sure if the C-17s have the range to fly from DRW to CI, if the nearest planned alternate is LEA?


There was just a live news story from LEA, in the background are 2 Skytrader A320's though on FR24 it says there are 2 C-130's on the ground at LEA. The position of OEE seems to be estimated atm so I guess we will know pretty soon if it happens to end up at DRW


Looking at the routes planned from LEA, 2 Skytrader A319's are programed to fly to Christmas Island as Snowbird 2 and Snowbird 5.

The flightplan for QF6032 is still planned for LEA with an estimated arrival time of 0759 GMT (1559 AWST)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:59 am

The West is reporting that passengers onboard OEE may have to overnight in Exmouth

https://twitter.com/westaustralian/stat ... 25121?s=20
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:00 am

Looks like it has turned towards LEA now. Very strange routing if flightradar is correct...
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:02 am

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The West is reporting that passengers onboard OEE may have to overnight in Exmouth

https://twitter.com/westaustralian/stat ... 25121?s=20


I wonder if they'll get time for a trip out to the reef
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:05 am

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It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?


That’s what I originally thought but it’s still at FL390 and heading towards LEA now.

If I can make an educated guess, the plan was to head towards DRW so if anyone presented symptoms during the flight, or their condition deteriorated, they’d offload them in Darwin for treatment there or put on a medivac flight to be taken to one of the capital cities.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:12 am

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It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?


That’s what I originally thought but it’s still at FL390 and heading towards LEA now.

If I can make an educated guess, the plan was to head towards DRW so if anyone presented symptoms during the flight, or their condition deteriorated, they’d offload them in Darwin for treatment there or put on a medivac flight to be taken to one of the capital cities.

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1000 mile detour is pretty significant, seems strange to add 2 hours to the flight time in case of a divert.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:23 am

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They have also cancelled Ballina according to that article. Qantas recently announced a daily Syd-Ballina Q300 service.


Rex has never tried to be competition to QF, they know they can't win that fight. They go after smaller regional routes QF has long given up on. If anything, Rex should be thanked for building up routes to be strong enough to support QF service!


The only route that I can think of where Rex went up against QantasLink when they were already established is Armidale. ARM was a legacy Kendall route but QantasLink pushed Rex out of the market at some point in the 2000s (not sure when?) but ZL subsequently resumed ARM in 2015 against 4x daily QF. Both have seemed to coexist there relatively well, and of course they also both serve WGA and ABX.

Blaming BNK on Qantas seems like a stretch. I'd guess that route was already very tenuous as both VA and JQ can serve the route at much lower costs, and ZL could only hold on by serving the business community with an early morning down and evening return. As soon as QF announced a comparable schedule they didn't even bother to compete and left straight away.


They have both been on SYD-DBO for years too.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:29 am

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qf789 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?
Have the transfer aircraft been confirmed as C-17s? Not sure if the C-17s have the range to fly from DRW to CI, if the nearest planned alternate is LEA?


There was just a live news story from LEA, in the background are 2 Skytrader A320's though on FR24 it says there are 2 C-130's on the ground at LEA. The position of OEE seems to be estimated atm so I guess we will know pretty soon if it happens to end up at DRW


Looking at the routes planned from LEA, 2 Skytrader A319's are programed to fly to Christmas Island as Snowbird 2 and Snowbird 5.

The flightplan for QF6032 is still planned for LEA with an estimated arrival time of 0759 GMT (1559 AWST)


Definitely heading for LEA ETA 16:00

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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:34 am

The moral hazard created by the federal government's fumbling of the Wuhan "evacuation" has been picked up by others: https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 53wz9.html

Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother? If you're contagious up to 14 days before being symptomatic, it still won't show. It's like all medical precautions and wisdom is being turfed out the window.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:35 am

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. 1000 mile detour is pretty significant, seems strange to add 2 hours to the flight time in case of a divert.



I guess it’s a medical risk management decision.

As it’s not a revenue flight but a charter being paid for by the federal government, Qantas will just those extra tons of JetA1 to the invoice.

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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:44 am

aerokiwi wrote:
The moral hazard created by the federal government's fumbling of the Wuhan "evacuation" has been picked up by others: https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 53wz9.html

Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother? If you're contagious up to 14 days before being symptomatic, it still won't show. It's like all medical precautions and wisdom is being turfed out the window.


I would have thought isolating people up on an island for 14 days is a pretty good medical precaution!.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:53 am

aerokiwi wrote:
The moral hazard created by the federal government's fumbling of the Wuhan "evacuation" has been picked up by others: https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 53wz9.html

Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother? If you're contagious up to 14 days before being symptomatic, it still won't show. It's like all medical precautions and wisdom is being turfed out the window.


Medical checks were required to ensure they were safe to travel. Qantas had to follow protocol from their own safety team, plus Department of Health and Border Force

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Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:25 am

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The moral hazard created by the federal government's fumbling of the Wuhan "evacuation" has been picked up by others: https://www.theage.com.au/national/aust ... 53wz9.html

Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother? If you're contagious up to 14 days before being symptomatic, it still won't show. It's like all medical precautions and wisdom is being turfed out the window.


I would have thought isolating people up on an island for 14 days is a pretty good medical precaution!.

I'm currently in Indonesia and they have adopted a very similar process to Australia with repatriated citizens being transferred back to Indonesia on a chartered Batik A330 and then quarantined at an air force base near Batam Island for 14 days.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:28 am

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It does look like OEE is heading for DRW, so perhaps there will be a crew change there before heading onto LEA or maybe LEA has been swapped for DRW?


That’s what I originally thought but it’s still at FL390 and heading towards LEA now.

If I can make an educated guess, the plan was to head towards DRW so if anyone presented symptoms during the flight, or their condition deteriorated, they’d offload them in Darwin for treatment there or put on a medivac flight to be taken to one of the capital cities.

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1000 mile detour is pretty significant, seems strange to add 2 hours to the flight time in case of a divert.


I assume it would have been problematic if they had to divert to a location in Indonesia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:44 am

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Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother?.


Because people might be at the end of the incubation so might need immediate isolation. And to establish a baseline.

It appears they are going to be keeping them in small groups on Christmas Island to minimise any further spread if one does have the virus
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:03 am

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aerokiwi wrote:

Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother?.


Because people might be at the end of the incubation so might need immediate isolation. And to establish a baseline.

It appears they are going to be keeping them in small groups on Christmas Island to minimise any further spread if one does have the virus


So... leave them in Wuhan. If they are in a state that is showing symptoms, don't encourage them to travel to an airport with all the associated contamination and spread risks in the process.

Again, like the article states, there's not actually an immediate risk to life. If they are healthy to travel then they just need to follow medical advice and self isolate and perform basic hygiene in Wuhan.

Repatriations with emergency flight evacuations are essentially taxpayer subsidised breaking of quarantine, increasing the risk of virus spread. As soon as China allowed one country to undertake these charter flights, others caved to perceived domestic pressures.

Meanwhile, next time I get a severe gastro bug in some distant and faraway land with (maybe or perceived) sub par medical facilities, I'll look forward to that government sponsored evacuation flight that I'm 100 per cent entitled to now, apparently.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:27 am

Does any body now how Qantas link flights from Bendigo to Sydney are going, are the flight being used and have they been getting good numbers using those flights?
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:53 am

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Does any body now how Qantas link flights from Bendigo to Sydney are going, are the flight being used and have they been getting good numbers using those flights?

Well no numbers from me but they've upped the frequency so that hopefully is a good sign of route doing well.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:22 am

aerokiwi wrote:
moa999 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:

Private citizens, private risk. And the medical checks beforehand.... why bother?.


Because people might be at the end of the incubation so might need immediate isolation. And to establish a baseline.

It appears they are going to be keeping them in small groups on Christmas Island to minimise any further spread if one does have the virus


So... leave them in Wuhan. If they are in a state that is showing symptoms, don't encourage them to travel to an airport with all the associated contamination and spread risks in the process.

Again, like the article states, there's not actually an immediate risk to life. If they are healthy to travel then they just need to follow medical advice and self isolate and perform basic hygiene in Wuhan.

Repatriations with emergency flight evacuations are essentially taxpayer subsidised breaking of quarantine, increasing the risk of virus spread. As soon as China allowed one country to undertake these charter flights, others caved to perceived domestic pressures.

Meanwhile, next time I get a severe gastro bug in some distant and faraway land with (maybe or perceived) sub par medical facilities, I'll look forward to that government sponsored evacuation flight that I'm 100 per cent entitled to now, apparently.


Provided your severe gastro is part of a global pandemic, where 100's of your fellow countrymen/women are trapped/quarantined in a foreign country, then sure - enjoy your government sponsored evacuation flight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:43 am

ArtV wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
moa999 wrote:

Because people might be at the end of the incubation so might need immediate isolation. And to establish a baseline.

It appears they are going to be keeping them in small groups on Christmas Island to minimise any further spread if one does have the virus


So... leave them in Wuhan. If they are in a state that is showing symptoms, don't encourage them to travel to an airport with all the associated contamination and spread risks in the process.

Again, like the article states, there's not actually an immediate risk to life. If they are healthy to travel then they just need to follow medical advice and self isolate and perform basic hygiene in Wuhan.

Repatriations with emergency flight evacuations are essentially taxpayer subsidised breaking of quarantine, increasing the risk of virus spread. As soon as China allowed one country to undertake these charter flights, others caved to perceived domestic pressures.

Meanwhile, next time I get a severe gastro bug in some distant and faraway land with (maybe or perceived) sub par medical facilities, I'll look forward to that government sponsored evacuation flight that I'm 100 per cent entitled to now, apparently.


Provided your severe gastro is part of a global pandemic, where 100's of your fellow countrymen/women are trapped/quarantined in a foreign country, then sure - enjoy your government sponsored evacuation flight.


Yep. Quarantined. For a reason. See: linked article.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 pm

Appears dispensation may be granted for QF B744 VHOEE which is well on its way to SYD with ETA 03:06.

Flight QF6032 from Learmonth to Sydney
https://fr24.com/QFA6032/23bddf95




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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:09 pm

QF6032 departed LEA about 20 mins ago for SYD, due to arrive there around 3am, must have got an exemption
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:14 pm

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Appears dispensation may be granted for QF B744 VHOEE which is well on its way to SYD with ETA 03:06.

Flight QF6032 from Learmonth to Sydney
https://fr24.com/QFA6032/23bddf95




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The first flight to XCH departed LEA about 8 minutes after QF6032.

Also is QF767 trying to meet up with QF6032, they are flying a very northerly route tonight
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:11 pm

Hainan changes, all services not available for reservations through to 28 Mar 20

CZX-SYD, 2 weekly
HAK-MEL, 2 weekly
HAK-SYD, 2 weekly
SZX-BNE, 2 weekly
SZX-CNS, 2 weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-02feb20/
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:30 pm

OEE is about 30 minutes out of SYD now

The first Skytraders A319 has arrived at XCH, offloaded passengers and back in the air to LEA to pick up more passengers

The second Skytraders A319 departed LEA about 30 minutes ago for XCH

First flight arriving at XCH

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https://twitter.com/ChrisReason7/status ... 96737?s=20
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:44 pm

The crew of OEE spent 18 Hrs and 54 mins on duty, signing on at 2145 at HKG and off at LEA at 1639

https://twitter.com/Keg767/status/12242 ... 49089?s=20
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