oschkosch wrote:

Actually we all know it is official that iPad training is not sufficient, but now details have been released as to why Boeing changed their opinion. And even well trained first world pilots have issues flying the max. At least that is my take on this article, which is on Bloomberg but I found a non paywall version:

https://beta.canada.com/pmn/business-pm ... 70cbd81b2/

FAA Tells Boeing More Training For 737 Max Pilots May Be Needed

U.S. regulators have told Boeing Co. that pilots may require additional training to properly respond to emergencies on the 737 Max after airline crews failed to perform proper procedures in simulator tests. In a Feb. 19 letter to Boeing reviewed by Bloomberg News, the Federal Aviation Administration detailed multiple missteps that airline crews had made in the December simulator sessions and said additional tests are needed. The simulations replicated failures similar to those in two fatal crashes.

Pilots from the three U.S. carriers that fly the Max, American Airlines Group Inc., United Airlines Holdings Inc. and Southwest Airlines Co., along with a crew from Grupo Aeromexico SAB were tested in December simulations of multiple emergency scenarios. The tests were conducted in a simulator running Boeing’s updated flight-control system that was developed in the wake of the crashes. While none of the crews committed such egregious mistakes that they lost their planes, the errors were extensive, according to the FAA letter.

The pilots, who had received additional training proposed by the company, failed to finish emergency checklists related to the automated system involved in both 737 Max crashes, known as Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System. In addition, they had difficulty with emergency procedures related to sensor failures, erroneous altitude and airspeed readings and the autopilot, among others, according to the letter. The tests also showed that some pilots were confused about how the autopilot behaved in some circumstances and their interactions with the plane’s automated warning systems were distracting.

oschkosch wrote:

Actually we all know it is official that iPad training is not sufficient, but now details have been released as to why Boeing changed their opinion. And even well trained first world pilots have issues flying the max. At least that is my take on this article, which is on Bloomberg but I found a non paywall version:

https://beta.canada.com/pmn/business-pm ... 70cbd81b2/

FAA Tells Boeing More Training For 737 Max Pilots May Be Needed

U.S. regulators have told Boeing Co. that pilots may require additional training to properly respond to emergencies on the 737 Max after airline crews failed to perform proper procedures in simulator tests. In a Feb. 19 letter to Boeing reviewed by Bloomberg News, the Federal Aviation Administration detailed multiple missteps that airline crews had made in the December simulator sessions and said additional tests are needed. The simulations replicated failures similar to those in two fatal crashes...The tests also showed that some pilots were confused about how the autopilot behaved in some circumstances and their interactions with the plane’s automated warning systems were distracting.

RickNRoll wrote:

oschkosch wrote:

Actually we all know it is official that iPad training is not sufficient, but now details have been released as to why Boeing changed their opinion. And even well trained first world pilots have issues flying the max. At least that is my take on this article, which is on Bloomberg but I found a non paywall version:
...

I blame the pilots. They should know how to respond to this correctly and not crash because that's what people are saying.

RickNRoll wrote:

oschkosch wrote:

Actually we all know it is official that iPad training is not sufficient, but now details have been released as to why Boeing changed their opinion. And even well trained first world pilots have issues flying the max. At least that is my take on this article, which is on Bloomberg but I found a non paywall version:

https://beta.canada.com/pmn/business-pm ... 70cbd81b2/

FAA Tells Boeing More Training For 737 Max Pilots May Be Needed

U.S. regulators have told Boeing Co. that pilots may require additional training to properly respond to emergencies on the 737 Max after airline crews failed to perform proper procedures in simulator tests. In a Feb. 19 letter to Boeing reviewed by Bloomberg News, the Federal Aviation Administration detailed multiple missteps that airline crews had made in the December simulator sessions and said additional tests are needed. The simulations replicated failures similar to those in two fatal crashes.

Pilots from the three U.S. carriers that fly the Max, American Airlines Group Inc., United Airlines Holdings Inc. and Southwest Airlines Co., along with a crew from Grupo Aeromexico SAB were tested in December simulations of multiple emergency scenarios. The tests were conducted in a simulator running Boeing’s updated flight-control system that was developed in the wake of the crashes. While none of the crews committed such egregious mistakes that they lost their planes, the errors were extensive, according to the FAA letter.

The pilots, who had received additional training proposed by the company, failed to finish emergency checklists related to the automated system involved in both 737 Max crashes, known as Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System. In addition, they had difficulty with emergency procedures related to sensor failures, erroneous altitude and airspeed readings and the autopilot, among others, according to the letter. The tests also showed that some pilots were confused about how the autopilot behaved in some circumstances and their interactions with the plane’s automated warning systems were distracting.

I blame the pilots. They should know how to respond to this correctly and not crash because that's what people are saying.

oschkosch wrote:

Actually we all know it is official that iPad training is not sufficient, but now details have been released as to why Boeing changed their opinion. And even well trained first world pilots have issues flying the max. At least that is my take on this article, which is on Bloomberg but I found a non paywall version:

https://beta.canada.com/pmn/business-pm ... 70cbd81b2/

FAA Tells Boeing More Training For 737 Max Pilots May Be Needed

U.S. regulators have told Boeing Co. that pilots may require additional training to properly respond to emergencies on the 737 Max after airline crews failed to perform proper procedures in simulator tests. In a Feb. 19 letter to Boeing reviewed by Bloomberg News, the Federal Aviation Administration detailed multiple missteps that airline crews had made in the December simulator sessions and said additional tests are needed. The simulations replicated failures similar to those in two fatal crashes.

Pilots from the three U.S. carriers that fly the Max, American Airlines Group Inc., United Airlines Holdings Inc. and Southwest Airlines Co., along with a crew from Grupo Aeromexico SAB were tested in December simulations of multiple emergency scenarios. The tests were conducted in a simulator running Boeing’s updated flight-control system that was developed in the wake of the crashes. While none of the crews committed such egregious mistakes that they lost their planes, the errors were extensive, according to the FAA letter.

The pilots, who had received additional training proposed by the company, failed to finish emergency checklists related to the automated system involved in both 737 Max crashes, known as Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System. In addition, they had difficulty with emergency procedures related to sensor failures, erroneous altitude and airspeed readings and the autopilot, among others, according to the letter. The tests also showed that some pilots were confused about how the autopilot behaved in some circumstances and their interactions with the plane’s automated warning systems were distracting.

mileduets wrote:

I wish Boeing would just manage to make the plane intuitive to fly again, just like with previous models.

scbriml wrote:

Yep, all they had to do was flip those two switches.

Nice to have some additional details above what we'd previously heard. Now the question becomes how much additional training is required and will that training requirement impact airlines trying to get their grounded MAX back in service once MAX is cleared?