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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:52 pm

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I think Vistara should partner with BA or VS and start Gatwick and flying a few key LGW-US routes for either VS or BA. For instance, Vistara could takeover VS' JFK-LGW. LGW is great for O&D but the lack of feed could really hurt an Indian airline. Jet definitely got a lot of transfer pax from VS in London. Was actually quite impressive how much traffic VS handed off (and KL at AMS and AF at CDG). On Haneda, I wonder if Japan would give an extension because of Corona Virus?


Only JFK makes sense for a LGW-NA fifth freedom flight. The others being TPA, MCO and LAS, you are mostly looking at leisure traffic. Of course I admit that I don't know what kind of a/c config is being deployed on these routes. And that would be contingent on the fact that they can actually put in place a code share/revenue sharing partnership with either BA or VS pretty soon here. The idea being propagated on this thread multiple times is (for whatever reason) that BA and UK are "partners". All they have so far is a code share from BA to UK ex-DEL for domestic within India. That is the extent of the partnership. OTH, UK actually has a closer relationship with UA in light of the recent accruals & redemption agreement (A friend just flew PNQ-DEL-SFO on UK-UA last week).

Also IF UK does go this route (DEL-LGW-XXX), then with only 2 x 789s on their current timeline, HND or NRT isn't happening anytime soon.


BA has no benefit in partnering with any Indian airline except to get some connections out of DEL.

If UK was looking for a US partner, DL would make sense. DL already has this relationship with several airlines.


Delta has no spare slots of its own at LHR to gift but presumably could pressure Virgin. One daily LHR slot would be all it takes for Vistara to dump both BA and United ($ill 2 birds with one stone) and get into bed with KLM/AirFrance/Virgin/Delta especially since Vistara can further expand in future by tapping into the AMS and CDG bases. Therefore timing is everything because Vistara is desperate for LHR (they have no where else in Europe to fly to and fill the plane). Presumably their so called partners, JAL and BA, $tabbed then in the back by not being cooperative with either slots or codeshares. I would love to be proved wrong.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:35 am

Partner means a mutually beneficial relationship. How do BA or JAL gain with UK?

Now both DL and perhaps AF/KLM might want to talk bijness!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:37 am

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vadodara wrote:
VTORD wrote:

Only JFK makes sense for a LGW-NA fifth freedom flight. The others being TPA, MCO and LAS, you are mostly looking at leisure traffic. Of course I admit that I don't know what kind of a/c config is being deployed on these routes. And that would be contingent on the fact that they can actually put in place a code share/revenue sharing partnership with either BA or VS pretty soon here. The idea being propagated on this thread multiple times is (for whatever reason) that BA and UK are "partners". All they have so far is a code share from BA to UK ex-DEL for domestic within India. That is the extent of the partnership. OTH, UK actually has a closer relationship with UA in light of the recent accruals & redemption agreement (A friend just flew PNQ-DEL-SFO on UK-UA last week).

Also IF UK does go this route (DEL-LGW-XXX), then with only 2 x 789s on their current timeline, HND or NRT isn't happening anytime soon.


BA has no benefit in partnering with any Indian airline except to get some connections out of DEL.

If UK was looking for a US partner, DL would make sense. DL already has this relationship with several airlines.


They have a US partner already in United - why would they go to Delta?


UA already flies EWR BOM/DEL. If there were demand they might add SFO/ORD/IAH. What can uK do that they can’t?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:12 am

vadodara wrote:
Partner means a mutually beneficial relationship.


"partner" was a term used by Vistara to describe JAL and BA. I guess they are learning the hard way........ that they inadvertently tricked themselves with their own flowery words and making assumptions of what that relationship meant.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:13 am

vadodara wrote:
UA already flies EWR BOM/DEL.


And, SFO to DEL.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:14 am

How are the loads on Delta's BOM to JFK flight?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:50 am

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Presumably their so called partners, JAL and BA, $tabbed then in the back by not being cooperative with either slots or codeshares. I would love to be proved wrong.

Why all this drama!? These are not barter systems. These are all legal agreements drawn up by highly paid and trained people. If JL and BA don't see Vistara bringing in value to slots or traffic rights, they are not going to play ball.

edealinfo wrote:
partner" was a term used by Vistara to describe JAL and BA. I guess they are learning the hard way........ that they inadvertently tricked themselves with their own flowery words and making assumptions of what that relationship meant

:roll: It is called Marketing 101 :roll:
This is not the season finale of The Bachelor :lol:

Looks like VT-TSD flew today based on a photo in the database. We'll know in about a month. Relax. Personally I am not holding my breath for Japan.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:09 am

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:10 am

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Indigo to phase out all second hand A320 by dec 2020

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... 0s-by-ye22


I think you mean Dec 2022.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:36 pm

IndiGo to commence:
Bengaluru-Jeddah
Mumbai-Kathmandu
Chennai- Colombo (x3rd freq)

To start from March onwards.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.outloo ... es/1732510

Some interesting additions from their many many new domestic additions :
Pune - Prayagraj (Allahabad)
Mumbai- Hubli
Mumbai- Jabalpur
Mumbai- Dehradun (2nd freq)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 1:57 pm

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Personally I am not holding my breath for Japan.


I have a gut feeling that this is the case as well notwithstanding Ratan Tata’s love of Japan.

with JAL, air India and ANA flying the same route (Delhi to Tokyo, and, Japanese preferring their own carriers, and the caronavirus scare, and the costs involved in flying to an expensive country airport.....things don’t look promising.

Too bad that Vistara and India as a country, could forfeit the Haneda slots which was not available to Indian carriers for possibly the past 4 decades, and likely for the next 40! At the very least Air India should have moved from Narita to Haneda, as did bothANA and JAL
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:11 pm

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They have a US partner already in United - why would they go to Delta?


Which itself has a great presence at LHR, better in most ways than DL in routes comparison. UK should be well off at LHR if it could operate out of T2 and codeshare with the key UA flights.
India's biggest loss w.r.t global aviation (so far) - Being an Australasia-Europe stopover.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:24 pm

Delta lands in Bengaluru with a tech centre, to hire 300 people

The US airline has set up a global capability centre (GCC) in the city to expand its tech runway. The spokesperson said the Bengaluru hub will look and feel like the hubs in Atlanta and Minneapolis – “these will be Delta employees working in a Delta office that just happens to exist outside the US.

For more: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 976233.cms
 
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Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:59 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republ ... india.html

Who is to blame for 75k stolen from air India passenger in transit? Is it:

1. The passenger
2. Air India
3. Security staff
4. The helpers, referenced in the article
5. Ground handling staff
7. The suitcase manufacturer
8. X-ray Luggage screener
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:02 pm

Pakyoung may no longer be a 250 crore ghost airport any longer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sentin ... -soon/amp/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:04 pm

Boeing to set 737 MAX simulator in India to placate SpiceJet, and the government.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theprint.i ... 424/%3famp
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:08 pm

Air Asia India’s parent in a pickle

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:01 pm

It’s in other threads on A.Net,so it should be here too. Bengaluru’s first North American connection, American Airlines daily to Seattle, is announced from October 2020. Congratulations to all in BLR who made it happen.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

Nonstops are now available to four of the six inhabited continents. Maybe this is an opportunity for Qantas (OneWorld) to think about an Australian nonstop?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:18 pm

^^The talks with AA/DL has been going on from 2013. Finally it is a dream come true for all of us here in BLR to get a non stop connection to the US Mainland. Will be a great sight to see AA colors in BLR.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:19 pm

Congratulations to BLR airport for their first non stop to USA .
News have been circulating about AA launching SEA-BLR late this year . The route is pretty cool with high IT traffic .
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:21 pm

:champagne: Congrats to BLR, SEA and AA! Looks like they will leverage a lot of AS feed up and down the West Coast.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:47 pm

Just wow! Always thought it would be a SFO-BLR before anything else. This one is a total surprise, that too from AA.
Wonder if the other US carriers would like to counter that by adding other US cities.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:24 pm

Rajiv Bansal appointed as new CMD for AI starting tomorrow. This will be his second stint too like the incumbent Ashwani Lohani
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:35 pm

SEA? Amazon and Microsoft becoming huge huge in India!!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:45 pm

Is there any precedent of an international airline servicing BLR while not already servicing one of India’s premier cities in DEL, BOM, CCU or MAA?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:12 pm

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Is there any precedent of an international airline servicing BLR while not already servicing one of India’s premier cities in DEL, BOM, CCU or MAA?


Not sure I would say CCU or MAA are above BLR as metros in India. MAA maybe 20 years ago and CCU maybe 35 years ago...
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:42 pm

Adipocere wrote:
Is there any precedent of an international airline servicing BLR while not already servicing one of India’s premier cities in DEL, BOM, CCU or MAA?


Simple, poor yields and the passenger numbers are less when compared to BLR-US WC market.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:34 pm

avier wrote:
Just wow! Always thought it would be a SFO-BLR before anything else. This one is a total surprise, that too from AA.
Wonder if the other US carriers would like to counter that by adding other US cities.


In the past 7 days, Delta announced it would start a global IT Development center in India with 300 to 600 employees. Plus they also deal with Cognizant, Infosys and Tata Consultancy.... so who knows, they could beat United to BLR.


Is Seattle the only viable city on the US west coast that could do BLR direct????
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:44 pm

Out of curiosity, could AAA have started the flight to BLR had they not had started the relationship with Alaska?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:48 pm

In my opinion, the biggest loser of AA starting the new flight to BLR is Cathay Pacific.

Geographically, is Seattle a good connecting point to BLR from DFW, Houston, LAX, SFO, middle America and ORD?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:49 pm

Yes Seattle is the only city that can do BLR direct with a 789. I asked jayunited on the UA thread and flying in the region so close to the Middle East scares some UA pilots in that the flight has EXTRA contigency fuel because they don't want to divert to Afghanistan or Iran. That's why SFO-DEL works with a B789 but SFO-BOM doesn't because it will exceed the aircraft range (17 hours, at the edge of the B789's range and they would have to block seats). Now depending on polar winds SEA-BLR can go either via Russia/Afghanistan or China/Thailand on the time of the year.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:49 pm

Who does American partner with on the Indian side for Indian connections to say Hyderabad or Chennai, etc? Will Vistara ignore them because of their “partner” UA?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:53 pm

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Yes Seattle is the only city that can do BLR direct with a 789. I asked jayunited on the UA thread and flying in the region so close to the Middle East scares some UA pilots in that the flight has EXTRA contigency fuel because they don't want to divert to Afghanistan or Iran. That's why SFO-DEL works with a B789 but SFO-BOM doesn't because it will exceed the aircraft range (17 hours, at the edge of the B789's range and they would have to block seats). Now depending on polar winds SEA-BLR can go either via Russia/Afghanistan or China/Thailand on the time of the year.
thanks. Which is a geographically viable city On the us east coast that could do BLR direct?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:42 pm

Vistara could partner Jet Blue at JFK; probably their best shot at a India-US non-stop.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:26 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Who does American partner with on the Indian side for Indian connections to say Hyderabad or Chennai, etc? Will Vistara ignore them because of their “partner” UA?
They did not start this route thinking about SEA-BLR-XXX, so connections on the BLR side are not needed. I am sure if they had a proper full-service partner in BLR, they would set it up, but it is just not needed right now.

Honestly, if things go well, AA would probably fly to MAA or HYD from SEA on their own metal. That would make a better experience flying to/from the US between those cities. I hope they get there.

edealinfo wrote:
Which is a geographically viable city On the us east coast that could do BLR direct?
NYC or BOS could do it without specialized ULH metal (e.g., 77L/A350ULR).

vadodara wrote:
Vistara could partner Jet Blue at JFK; probably their best shot at a India-US non-stop.
Give that up, this is a pipe dream. Certainly, it is not happening if they need connections on the US end to make it work.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:35 pm

x1234 wrote:
Yes Seattle is the only city that can do BLR direct with a 789. I asked jayunited on the UA thread and flying in the region so close to the Middle East scares some UA pilots in that the flight has EXTRA contigency fuel because they don't want to divert to Afghanistan or Iran. That's why SFO-DEL works with a B789 but SFO-BOM doesn't because it will exceed the aircraft range (17 hours, at the edge of the B789's range and they would have to block seats). Now depending on polar winds SEA-BLR can go either via Russia/Afghanistan or China/Thailand on the time of the year.

Dumb question: jayunited knows what he's talking about but wouldn't a WB routing over the Pacific work for SFO-BLR and SFO-BOM?


edealinfo wrote:
Out of curiosity, could AAA have started the flight to BLR had they not had started the relationship with Alaska?

No. They wouldn't have feed or the FF numbers to justify that flight.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:03 am

vadodara wrote:
Vistara could partner Jet Blue at JFK; probably their best shot at a India-US non-stop.


No can do for the immediate 6 to 8 months as their 787s don’t have crew rest area to be able to do US to India direct.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:05 am

Doesn’t delta, rather than American, have a hub at Seattle. Why Did they allow AA to go one up on them from that station?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:37 am

Just as I suspected.... a major blogger speculated that Delta may retaliate and start service to BLR to defend its Seattle international hub.
https://onemileatatime.com/american-airlines-india/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:39 am

Raja told USA Today that American’s top corporate customers had been requesting a Bangalore route for more than two years. Tech firms including Dell and Texas Instruments have bases in the city.
KLM, Lufthansa, Ethiopian Airlines and Japan Airlines all announced new routes to the Indian city last year.
It will be among the first destinations to be served by British Airways’ A350 aircraft featuring its new Club Suite business class.
A second runway at Bengaluru’s Kempegowda International Airport began operations in December last year.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... bengaluru/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:29 am

x1234 wrote:
Yes Seattle is the only city that can do BLR direct with a 789. I asked jayunited on the UA thread and flying in the region so close to the Middle East scares some UA pilots in that the flight has EXTRA contigency fuel because they don't want to divert to Afghanistan or Iran. That's why SFO-DEL works with a B789 but SFO-BOM doesn't because it will exceed the aircraft range (17 hours, at the edge of the B789's range and they would have to block seats). Now depending on polar winds SEA-BLR can go either via Russia/Afghanistan or China/Thailand on the time of the year.


Too funny. These guys are afraid of anything and everything.
 
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https://www.livemint.com/news/india/air ... 76088.html

Air India Express April-September profit jumps 283% YoY amid stake sale process
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:35 am

DGCA suspends 2 SpiceJet pilots for four-and-half months for damaging runway edge lights

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Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:36 am

Rajiv Bansal appointed Air India chief

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:23 am

JANUARY 2020 KLM PAX AND BELLY CARGO LOADS AT BLR

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:56 pm

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JANUARY 2020 KLM PAX AND BELLY CARGO LOADS AT BLR


Decent loads. 85% and up. Yields are good too, from what I’ve read. Time for upgrading to daily service with aircraft available from China cuts, perhaps?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:02 pm

^^ Probably increase freq to 5x weekly initially & then daily.... still 18 months away IMHO.
 
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TEMPO wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
JANUARY 2020 KLM PAX AND BELLY CARGO LOADS AT BLR


Decent loads. 85% and up. Yields are good too, from what I’ve read. Time for upgrading to daily service with aircraft available from China cuts, perhaps?


The China cuts are presumably temporary. They can get additional 7x AMS slots and a 777 plane from their recent purchase of Jet Airways Netherlands operations. Guess that good ole. Jet airways 777 that KLM got as part of the deal could be tidied up and so patched to Bangalore. Note that KLM to BLR can succeed since its flights gets pooled with that of Air France when running a search from North America to BLR. So one could fly KLM one way and return on Air France the other way on a single ticket that is priced as though one used just one airline.
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:59 pm

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^^ Probably increase freq to 5x weekly initially & then daily.... still 18 months away IMHO.

KLM recently acquired 7x weekly slots that they can conceivably use towards India. Maybe they can deploy 3 x to BLR ( making it 6 weekly) and the remaining 4x to Hyderabad. When they had partnered previously with Jet, they had interest in starting HYD. Maybe they could Make BLR daily (4x additional slots needed) and open HYD with 3X. This could be a decent sky team initial response to AAs Seattle to BLR opening
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:10 pm

edealinfo wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
^^ Probably increase freq to 5x weekly initially & then daily.... still 18 months away IMHO.

KLM recently acquired 7x weekly slots that they can conceivably use towards India. Maybe they can deploy 3 x to BLR ( making it 6 weekly) and the remaining 4x to Hyderabad. When they had partnered previously with Jet, they had interest in starting HYD. Maybe they could Make BLR daily (4x additional slots needed) and open HYD with 3X. This could be a decent sky team initial response to AAs Seattle to BLR opening

Which would be more preferable at this point for AF/KL, MAA or HYD? What are the reasons to choose HYD?

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