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edealinfo
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:27 am

Per the article below United won’t take delivery of the a350 until 2027 so if you are waiting for them to start SFO to BLR ...........well you get the idea

https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflyi ... eries/amp/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:52 pm

YouGeeElWhy wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Expect AA to cede more domestic and Mexico travel to AS at least till 737Max gets resolved.
This is not a joint venture so they cannot work together in that regard.


OneWorld in very similar shape and form as SkyTeam. What DL can do with AF-KLM and VS, surely AA can with AS.

Surprise is that AA went for it. Surely they needed help at SEA/LAX.

AA’s Press Release:
By connecting American’s strength in long-haul international flying and Alaska’s presence across the West Coast, we will build a better network for our customers than either airline could build alone,” said American Airlines President Robert Isom. “Together, we will deliver more value, benefits and choice for customers across the U.S. and around the globe.”
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:25 pm

hohd wrote:
subramak1 wrote:
Malayil wrote:
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Not sure I would say CCU or MAA are above BLR as metros in India. MAA maybe 20 years ago and CCU maybe 35 years ago...


economy wise MAA is still bigger, it is more diversified with a bigger manufacturing base. But it does not have IT traffic that will drive traffic to NA

KK

Even with the diversified manufacturing, BLR has a bigger economy than MAA and more important - far higher premium yields than MAA. In India the Tier 1 cities now are DEL, BOM and BLR. A notch below that at are MAA and HYD, CCU and AMD another notch below that. BLR surpassed MAA may be a decade ago and even HYD is ahead of CCU in yields.


I only said MAA is a bigger economy. Two refineries and a ton of car manufacturing pushes it ahead. BLR is bigger in terms of premium demand and demand to NA, I didnt state this explicitly. MAA wont catch up there. On its own I see MAA getting bigger. But location and demand patterns mean we are a long way off from a non stop NA route. If it happens it will be from EWR/JFK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... per_capita

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Chennai

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Bangalore

Subu

disclaimer : I am a telugu speaking person, raised in TN and has residence in Bangalore
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:58 pm

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disclaimer : I am a telugu speaking person, raised in TN and has residence in Bangalore


An all round South Indian so you aren’t biased towards HYD, BLR or MAA. welcome to this forum!

Now, as a general comment, wouldn’t it be great if there is a 10 lane highway (or high speed rail/ bullet train) connecting these three cities and also their airports? Maybe a smaller form of this already exists. Who knows?

Also, is the Japanese bullet train as fast as the high speed trains in Europe?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:23 pm

The coronavirus outbreak has also led to mass cancellations of tour plans by Indians to popular Southeast Asian destinations such as Phuket, Vietnam and Cambodia. Sections of Indian tourists are now opting for Dubai, Salalah and other tourist centres in the Gulf.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.arabia ... avel-plans
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:36 pm

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... wick-slots (Paid subscription needed)- Vistara and Indigo again begin their annual "will they or wont they" race to London. @edealinfo -- I think this answers your over 30 posts on this singular topic itself.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:42 pm

Vistara finally seems to have made up its mind on the debut international flight out of India - All indications are that it will Japan instead of United Kingdom {first launch ops and not only launch}. https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge/sta ... 9221349376 ( Has all the detailed explanation). Only issue is whether they can suitably connect with U.S. west coast traffic or not since that is the flavor at the moment. @edealinfo - Hope your frequent posts are answered in this detailed and chronologically typeset article. You need to remember that decisions on starting a new international station is not taken in haste. Same goes for AA mega blockbuster decision to take the fight to SEA.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:49 pm

vadodara wrote:
YouGeeElWhy wrote:
vadodara wrote:
Expect AA to cede more domestic and Mexico travel to AS at least till 737Max gets resolved.
This is not a joint venture so they cannot work together in that regard.


OneWorld in very similar shape and form as SkyTeam. What DL can do with AF-KLM and VS, surely AA can with AS.

Surprise is that AA went for it. Surely they needed help at SEA/LAX.

AA’s Press Release:
By connecting American’s strength in long-haul international flying and Alaska’s presence across the West Coast, we will build a better network for our customers than either airline could build alone,” said American Airlines President Robert Isom. “Together, we will deliver more value, benefits and choice for customers across the U.S. and around the globe.”


In 2019 I had premised that Delta could theoretically start DEL-SEA flights or even DEL-BOM instead of SEA-BLR since their A-330NEO was beginning to have a pilot and maintenance base there. At that point some of the users questioned the logic ( which was correct) but the fact that AA has chosen to go straight to BLR from SEA and having AS hitch along a ride with it was no brainer. The question that is relevant is that for non-business traffic based out of say Concord or Antioch in California who could travel to either SMF or OAK, having links to Renigunta in AP or Madurai in TN, or Gulbarga in KA, how does AA/AS flight from these two Bay Area airports help them via SEA-BLR. MAA has a wider economic basket but not enough to sustain year round flights in the calculation metrics of US3.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:55 pm

JOYA380B747 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Doesn’t delta, rather than American, have a hub at Seattle. Why Did they allow AA to go one up on them from that station?


Maybe Amazon and Microsoft, but Delta is not going to get Boeing contracts on their A350 for sure :lol:


Even PDX has some good manufacturing and Technology companies based out of there with significant travel generated therein. So much so that BA has announced a LHR-PDX flight on their B787-10 starting later this year. And AS has a big if not fairly huge presence in PDX there, which connects seamlessly with SEA-BLR. This decision of AA is a master stroke and is a deafening slap on face the Delta after their A220 induction success, LATAM forced divorce from AA and attempts to dilute MIA. Got to give credit to AA and their useless board that they did finally do something and showed the world their spine is now trying to erect itself. AA will admit that they had become a biggest laughing stock in the larger US travel industry for quite some time.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 11:59 pm

AA is hardly going after the Wala Wala to Gulbarga traffic; they are after the corporate contracts at MSFT and AMZN.

They have plenty of AS domestic flights; what was missing were some international connections. With AA and One World, LHR/HND and a surprise BLR gets solved.

Question now is does AA expand to more of Europe plus Seoul/Taipei/China or AS picks a wide body.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:03 am

VTORD wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Presumably their so called partners, JAL and BA, $tabbed then in the back by not being cooperative with either slots or codeshares. I would love to be proved wrong.

Why all this drama!? These are not barter systems. These are all legal agreements drawn up by highly paid and trained people. If JL and BA don't see Vistara bringing in value to slots or traffic rights, they are not going to play ball.

edealinfo wrote:
partner" was a term used by Vistara to describe JAL and BA. I guess they are learning the hard way........ that they inadvertently tricked themselves with their own flowery words and making assumptions of what that relationship meant

:roll: It is called Marketing 101 :roll:
This is not the season finale of The Bachelor :lol:

Looks like VT-TSD flew today based on a photo in the database. We'll know in about a month. Relax. Personally I am not holding my breath for Japan.


Japan is indeed starting first, with eye on Tokyo 2020 Olympics (https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge/sta ... 9221349376) and testing the waters to see how to funnel traffic to U.S. west coast. Vistara can try to have what 9W had in AMS, CDG. Its a long shot but something that they must aim for. Only downside is that they dont have enough traffic coming in from cities other than metros and state capitals to DEL. Plus there is only one flight from DEL to Tokyo. And at this stage for them starting Tokyo operations from BOM, BLR is simply out of question.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:10 am

vadodara wrote:
AA is hardly going after the Wala Wala to Gulbarga traffic; they are after the corporate contracts at MSFT and AMZN.

They have plenty of AS domestic flights; what was missing were some international connections. With AA and One World, LHR/HND and a surprise BLR gets solved.

Question now is does AA expand to more of Europe plus Seoul/Taipei/China or AS picks a wide body.


Isnt JAL supposed to cover that traffic for AA using Tokyo Haneda and SEA flights? Skyteam and deeper Delta indulgence in Korean Air has certainly made life very difficult for AA and One World to be honest. It seems that Pacific Northwest is getting the action it deserves. But SEA Intl. arrivals expansion and the new FIS is not ready until Oct 2020 plus the lounges for Alaska are not completely refurbished (correct me on this one if possible). So all in all it remains to be seen how soon or fast One World can expand. Good news is the BLR new CATIIIB runway will be ready in time for the new flight.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:18 am

Nice video link which explains the future of SEA expansion - https://youtu.be/A56eEljgwzQ , seems AA had done good or actually very good planning for this flight, timed well for both airports to be have completed their ongoing airside expansion. Any timelines on BLR Terminal-2 completion date - Is it still Dec 2021 ?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:33 am

avier wrote:
To meet the high demand of spare engines by IndiGo & GoAir for their A320neo fleet, as per DGCA deadlines, has forced engine maker P&W to consider setting up an MRO unit in India, located at Mumbai.
This would be in partnership with AI engineering.
Apparently, shipping so many engines has become a pricey affair for P&W, that too in bulk. So it seems wise to setup a unit here in India for one of their largest customers.
What's interesting is the choice of city for this new venture, being BOM, rather than the usual "newer" BLR/HYD or the larger DEL (main hub for 6E).

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.busine ... 879_1.html

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EP-kQLoVUAI ... name=large


6E has a formidable presence in BOM so much so much so that they actually wanted to acquire Terminal 1A entirely to themselves for both domestic arrivals and departures back in the day. They have over 100 daily departures spanning domestic and International. They are "giant" in BOM by all means. P&W choose to setup the MRO and not Indigo Airlines. The decision to setup in BOM was driven by many considerations, offset rules, presence of AI MRO in Nagpur and BOM being a big factor, absence of any P&W MRO base for A320NEO/A321NEO/A319NEO operators in Persian Gulf, East Africa. These decisions are not taken in isolation but are well thought out.

As far as BLR goes, to support their "giant" operations (They have over 120 daily departures here and massively growing to over 45% of all inbound and outbound flight operations) they are opening one there too - (https://www.flightglobal.com/mro/indigo ... 91.article) ....This article also confirms their DEL MRO base.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:18 am

CollegeAviator wrote:
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edealinfo wrote:

Hats off to you for accepting the advice with a learning perspective. Your positive attitude will take you far in life.


Thanks. Learning is a daily process. Forums like these are a common learning resource for everyone.
As a long time member of this forum, its sad to see how a dismissive attitude has crept among fellow geeks who i remember as enthusiastic young adults 10-15 years back.

Really sad indeed. Curiosity is always shot down impressively by some nowadays.


It is indeed sad.. Savor this (https://twitter.com/unraveaero/status/1 ... 9346228226) which shows the level of degenerative behavior now seen on this website. And this happened largely in last one year... Two users who recently joined (with one user posting on an average single line posts, badmouthing political entities, endlessly questioning the Indian Government, nearly abusing everyone on this forum with no basis, and refuses to promote civility, and has no interest in deep research based knowledge. Contrast this with Australian or even UK based forums which are sol full of technical and interesting aviation tidbits. It is time all new users ( specially the one who joined in late 2018) is told to shape up by the moderators. Unrave was a good asset we all lost due to Social Media nonsense types who have been allowed to hover around by lack of moderator involvement.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:30 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
Trying to book BOM-LON for December. Not seeing any of AI's new flights (only their usual 7am BOM-LHR). I know the extra 3X LHR flights are on temporary last min slots. But why don't the STN flights show up even for this summer? So AI just started 6X new flights from BOM for the 19/20 winter schedule? Seems very ad hoc. You would think they would schedule 6X BOM-STN and then sub in 3X LHR flights if they get the slots (and just rebook people from STN to LHR). Anyone know what is AI's LON plan for the rest of the year?


This should help - (https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -feb-2020/), looks like temporary one due to the looming privatization efforts.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:37 am

Increasing chatter on 6E arrival in United Kingdom.......(https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge/sta ... 1840809984) this widely popular twitter user has been one of few who has been seriously tracking the airline making moves and manoeuvres to get London slots. Most detailed in his articulations.

Along with this website - https://networkthoughts.com/2019/11/27/ ... mmer-2020/ , seems some news might be coming by Q1 of this new financial year.....
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:42 am

vadodara wrote:
AA is hardly going after the Wala Wala to Gulbarga traffic; they are after the corporate contracts at MSFT and AMZN.

They have plenty of AS domestic flights; what was missing were some international connections. With AA and One World, LHR/HND and a surprise BLR gets solved.

Question now is does AA expand to more of Europe plus Seoul/Taipei/China or AS picks a wide body.


Well if AI goes double daily on weekdays and triple daily on weekends then this non-business traffic can be taken care of (resources permitting due to pending privatization on the the horizon)..... 2020 is sure going to be a big one as far as US-India travel goes. And for now, it looks that Delta has missed the bus for West Coast-India and AA has truly upstaged them.. Strike One - Delta , Strike two - AA at SEA.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:17 am

srkSJC wrote:
Vistara finally seems to have made up its mind on the debut international flight out of India - All indications are that it will Japan instead of United Kingdom {first launch ops and not only launch}. https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge/sta ... 9221349376 ( Has all the detailed explanation). Only issue is whether they can suitably connect with U.S. west coast traffic or not since that is the flavor at the moment. @edealinfo - Hope your frequent posts are answered in this detailed and chronologically typeset article. You need to remember that decisions on starting a new international station is not taken in haste. Same goes for AA mega blockbuster decision to take the fight to SEA.


Japan, with 2nd highest Coronavirus cases after China, is a bad choice to start in this situation. Should have less O&D. Transit to US West Coast again is a question. UK flying to UK should be better.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:18 am

srkSJC wrote:
Any timelines on BLR Terminal-2 completion date - Is it still Dec 2021 ?


BLR T2 is scheduled to complete in APRIL 2021.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:37 am

zionite wrote:
srkSJC wrote:
UK flying to UK should be better.


I think the issues are:

a) They aren't willing to pay $$$$ for LHR slots.

b) BA and UA, Vistara's self-declared "partners", failed to lend them a slot at LHR

c) Haneda slots are supposedly more valuable than those at LHR but unlike LHR are not tradeable for $.

d) Haneda slots supposedly must be used by March 29 or else, India (not just Vistara) loses that precious slot pair. Use it or lose it is the buzzword.

e) Ratan Tata is close to London and Tokyo, so much so that he paid like 50K crore to Docomo (for failing to deliver returns in his teleservices venture) so those 2 places are Vistara's target destinations for now.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:51 am

srkSJC wrote:

Japan is indeed starting first, with eye on Tokyo 2020 Olympics (https://twitter.com/LiveFromALounge/sta ... 9221349376) and testing the waters to see how to funnel traffic to U.S. west coast. Vistara can try to have what 9W had in AMS, CDG. Its a long shot but something that they must aim for. Only downside is that they dont have enough traffic coming in from cities other than metros and state capitals to DEL. Plus there is only one flight from DEL to Tokyo. And at this stage for them starting Tokyo operations from BOM, BLR is simply out of question.



The LifefromAlounge person has basically taken my 40 odd posts here on airliners.net on Vistara and summed it up in his article.(I certainly am not complaining as he seems to be buying into my speculation, ha ha). The only thing new in that article, compared to what we had known till yesterday, is that Vistara has been awarded 8 weekly frequencies to Gatwick but the author/blogger could have picked that up from ch.-aviation article. (Again, I am not complaining; if he wants to summarize and round a story, good for him/her and for all of us). Everything he/she says about Haneda is speculation at this stage and is basically lapping up my speculation and wishful thinking, If that indeed turns to reality, the blogger and I should get credit for essentially a) good logical speculation, and b)wishful thinking.....no more, no less.

By the way, why do you think DEL- Haneda on Vistara is now a fact? There is nothing (nada, zilch, naught, nil) confirming this.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:02 am

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In 2019 I had premised that Delta could theoretically start DEL-SEA flights or even DEL-BOM instead of SEA-BLR since their A-330NEO was beginning to have a pilot and maintenance base there.


Since DL already has an east coast connection in JFK, maybe they will now use SEA as its west coast challenge to AA to open up SEA to BOM/DEL. I do think BOM would be pushing it on the A330 which makes DEL, the only realistic possibility. But then, of what good is DEL if all DL gets is VFR traffic while the techies pay top dollar to get to BLR via AA's bold and creative new SEA-BLR route.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:07 am

srkSJC wrote:
Same goes for AA mega blockbuster decision to take the fight to SEA.


Blockbuster is the right word and kudos to them. Fortune favors the brave.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:54 pm

Yet Another extension for bids on Jet Airways?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.moneyc ... 1.html/amp
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:58 pm

SpiceJet takes on 2 A320 on wet lease.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 171661.cms

They could have taken Vistara’s now surplus 737 (as a sub lease) but presumably Spicejet wasn’t willing to pay the same lease rate that Vistara has contracted it for. SpiceJet is a bottom fisher which explains the A320 from a Bulgarian lessor
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:03 pm

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 51039.html

Airfares Plummet on Delhi to Bangkok route as Indians avoid any place where people look Chinese including Bangkok, Cambodia, and other south East Asian destinations
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:06 pm

Meanwhile Indian airlines are seeing a negligible impact from the caronavirus as their costs are now lower from lower lease rentals and lower fuel prices offsetting the fall in revenue.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/wap.busine ... 042_1.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:59 pm

edealinfo wrote:
SpiceJet takes on 2 A320 on wet lease.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 171661.cms

They could have taken Vistara’s now surplus 737 (as a sub lease) but presumably Spicejet wasn’t willing to pay the same lease rate that Vistara has contracted it for. SpiceJet is a bottom fisher which explains the A320 from a Bulgarian lessor

You should really think twice about spouting negative opinions about an airline's thought process and calling them names while you were clearly not in the room where the decision was made.
Has it occurred to you that this could be a trial run by SG to start planning some insurance against the Max bottlenecks? They may be waiting for the Max issue to play out in full (or at least part) in the summer before (re)committing to the Max strategy and could very well be looking at options for a way out. If I was Boeing, I would be worried about these 2 leases.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:19 pm

VTORD wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
SpiceJet takes on 2 A320 on wet lease.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 171661.cms

They could have taken Vistara’s now surplus 737 (as a sub lease) but presumably Spicejet wasn’t willing to pay the same lease rate that Vistara has contracted it for. SpiceJet is a bottom fisher which explains the A320 from a Bulgarian lessor

You should really think twice about spouting negative opinions about an airline's thought process and calling them names while you were clearly not in the room where the decision was made.
Has it occurred to you that this could be a trial run by SG to start planning some insurance against the Max bottlenecks? They may be waiting for the Max issue to play out in full (or at least part) in the summer before (re)committing to the Max strategy and could very well be looking at options for a way out. If I was Boeing, I would be worried about these 2 leases.


Not a trial run. they did the same thing last year before the MAX issue! It is just rinse, repeat, rinse!

Separately, Boeing has nothing to be worried about. They have Ajay Singh by the kahunas. His entire infrastructure (other than the dash 8) is set up around Boeing and Sing probably craves the Max compensation over actually receiving the planes which ensures guaranteed profit for the grounded aircraft and aircraft delayed from being delivered.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:19 pm

Actually SpiceJet has wetleased from BH Air for several years now. Both A320 and A319 aircraft. They also regularly lease 737s from Corendon.

Kudos to them for finding a way out and not canceling more flights while the MAX, which they should've had at least 20-25 of by now, remains grounded.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:27 pm

https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2020/ ... rline.html

Really good article posed at Bangalore Aviataion

1. Spicejet did not gain materially from Jet's collapse when it should. "It seems that SpiceJet has not really benefited from the exit of Jet Airways and the capacity induction. Rather the expansion has come at a huge cost to the airline."

2. SpiceJet flew more with a cheaper input cost (fuel) but made less money. The cost of capacity weighed heavily on the airline.

3. Spicejet is again wet leasing A320; on a per-seat wet-leases basis they are more expensive.

4. They are not yet experiencing the gains of the Emirates codeshare and competition, coronavirus, etc., are other impeding factors.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:38 pm

Here is an outstanding article from Bangalore Aviation. They were late in putting out the story on the new SEA- BLR route but it gave them time to do a well researched story with a fab perspective. This is probably the best article on AA's SEA- BLR route, hands down. The writer would put the Times of India, Business Standard, Economic Times and all the other newspapers to shame. I hope the writer joins LiveMint which is an excellent newspaper.

https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2020/ ... world.html


1. Today Delta is only about 40% the size of Alaska in Seattle as is blocked from further growth due to the lack of gates.

2. This move by American in Seattle is almost an exact inversion of Delta’s move into American’s hub in Miami via the acquisition of a 20% stake in former American partner LATAM

3. Article contends that if the SEA- BLR route is a runaway success for American, Delta might try to work with its JV partner Korean Air to launch Seoul-Bengaluru.

4. Seattle is only the eighth largest US-Bengaluru O&D market with a 4.3% share of US-originating passengers. The San Francisco Bay Area stands first at 17.7%, New York City ranks second at 13%, Chicago is at 7%, Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex 6.3%, and Boston, LA, and Washington DC all have a tick under 5%.

5. Flying from San Francisco to Bengaluru via Seattle is only 50 miles longer than flying nonstop on the polar routing, and Alaska effectively offers an hourly shuttle from San Francisco to Seattle (14 flights per day in peak summer months).

6. While the workplaces of desis is centered more on San Francisco (the city) and the peninsula to the south, the residences of the Bay Area’s Desi population is actually more centred on San Jose and the lower half of the East Bay (Fremont). So for many Indian-Americans, flying from San Jose or Oakland is more convenient and Alaska offers nine flights per day on San Jose-Seattle and four per day on Oakland-Seattle as well.

7. United will likely add nonstop service to Bengaluru.

8. While SFO is the biggest and most premium market, United doesn’t have a plane that can fly the route consistently.

9. The more likely scenario is that United will add nonstop service from its Newark hub to Bengaluru, as NY/NJ to Bengaluru is a big market in its own right and the flight can be operated with a 787-8 or a 777-200ER.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:50 pm

zionite wrote:

Japan, with 2nd highest Coronavirus cases after China, is a bad choice to start in this situation. Should have less O&D. Transit to US West Coast again is a question. UK flying to UK should be better.


Well, Haneda slot is like gold (arguably more valuable than London Heathrow). Slots are an important thing to consider. If you see teh article in the link below, even an airport like Vienna is running out of slots. Who would have thought?

https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/ ... ine-513281
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:07 pm

Nearly 9 months after the UA - Vistara agreement was signed "in principle" (as they say in India), it finally becomes operationalized effective as of Feb 28, 2020. Why in the world did it take so long??? Separately, UA will codeshare on a whopping 68 Vistara flights to 26 Indian destinations. So, vistara decides to jump in bed with United without getting the dowry of a leased LHR slot from UA; losing virginity and then asking for marriage ain't going to work for Vistara.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/vista ... 316361.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:13 pm

Chennai to get a second airport at set up across 4,500 acres in Parandur, chosen due to its proximity to the national highway to Bangaluru. [will it someday compete with BLR?]. Also, 65 km light rail connection proposed from MAA to Parandur

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 143481.cms?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:41 pm

Count me as shocked that it was AA that launched a non stop to BLR first. I'd have bet money on UA launching SFO-BLR or DL launching JFK-BLR before AA even considered such a thing. SFO-BLR would really be the holy grail of high yielding, low risk business travel but I don't think UA has the metal to fly the route consistently year round. I wonder if they'd consider bringing forward some 35K deliveries if AA's route from SEA performs as well as I think it will.

The route makes complete sense to me because BLR is all about yield and SEA gives AA a readymade market to fill the front of the plane on low risk corporate contracts. I fly IAH-BLR-IAH every year to visit family for a week or so and have flown the route in J on EK, QR, BA, AF and LH in the last 5 years (I like trying different products out). I don't think I've ever seen an empty seat up front in all that time. BLR has a very high concentration of multinationals who will fly all of their employees in J at all times. There's a reason everyone files in their top of the line product on the BLR routes.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:44 pm

If AA was interested, they could a tri-weekly service to MAA from SEA. The distance is not that different than BLR and since AA789 only have 30 J class seats - they can full them up. saying this based on the fact CX, BA, LH and EK fill up their J class seats(230 seats daily) to MAA

Edit: It will be interesting to see if these 30 J class seats can be filled up via SEA alone( Cathay gets its traffic fro west coast and East asia)

KK
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:17 pm

subramak1 wrote:
If AA was interested, they could a tri-weekly service to MAA from SEA. The distance is not that different than BLR and since AA789 only have 30 J class seats - they can full them up. saying this based on the fact CX, BA, LH and EK fill up their J class seats(230 seats daily) to MAA

Edit: It will be interesting to see if these 30 J class seats can be filled up via SEA alone( Cathay gets its traffic fro west coast and East asia)

KK

In addition to Cathay, ANA flies Tokyo Narita to MAA as well albeit I believe just 3X weekly. They too presumably offer North American connections.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:28 pm

jetlaggedAF wrote:
The route makes complete sense to me because BLR is all about yield and SEA gives AA a readymade market to fill the front of the plane on low risk corporate contracts. I fly IAH-BLR-IAH every year to visit family for a week or so and have flown the route in J on EK, QR, BA, AF and LH in the last 5 years (I like trying different products out). I don't think I've ever seen an empty seat up front in all that time. BLR has a very high concentration of multinationals who will fly all of their employees in J at all times. There's a reason everyone files in their top of the line product on the BLR routes.


BA pays more than Rs 1 lac PER DAY just for security for their A350-1000 to BLR.
LH754 pax load for 17/02 is as follows: 6F/73J/229Y
The F and J class are most of the time filled on LH. Most of the EK flights are overbooked on most days, BA is doing well on the market filling those J and W seats on a daily basis, AF is doing Excellent on the BLR-CDG sector with above 90% loads in JAN 2020, KLM is doing very well too with loads averaging 88% on AMS-BLR and 93% on BLR-AMS sector for JAN 2020. When I recently spoke with KLM airline staff (ex 9W guy) he said they is a likely chance for the airline to increase the flights to DAILY in the next 18 months, when asked abt MAA he said as of now there is no plans for AF or KLM to start to MAA as they do not fill many of the premium seats. For HYD he said "the airline is studying the market" but he has no idea of any developments.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:34 pm

subramak1 wrote:
If AA was interested, they could a tri-weekly service to MAA from SEA. The distance is not that different than BLR and since AA789 only have 30 J class seats - they can full them up. saying this based on the fact CX, BA, LH and EK fill up their J class seats(230 seats daily) to MAA

Edit: It will be interesting to see if these 30 J class seats can be filled up via SEA alone( Cathay gets its traffic fro west coast and East asia)

KK


I recently spoke to a a Revenue Management Analyst from AA and she said they had no plans to start to MAA or HYD. They(the team based in DFW) were never interested at the MAA market. They primarly focus only on DEL/BOM/BLR. She said that HYD has the numbers but no yields and MAA is looked only at for the cargo but do not provide te numbers like BOM/DEL/BLR. She said they are not looking at any new destinations other than DEL/BOM/BLR as of now. Cud change in the near future if the yields increase from HYD.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:45 pm

@edeal great article by BLRaviation, but IMO DLl wont start a flight to BLR. 2 US flights cud be an overkill (But who knows.. DL cud all shock us all of a sudden like AA did). Fingers crossed if it happens, I still cant settle in the fact that AA metal will land in BLR.. feels surreal for many of us in Bengaluru. Anyhow................

IndiGo opens booking on DAILY flights connecting Bengaluru & DOHA wef 16th MARCH. Timings are almost close to Qatar Airways flight from BLR. Bookings open on the timings below:-
6E1724 BLR 0320 0500 DOH
6E1725 DOH 2005 0240+1 BLR

The timings are extremely similar to Qatar airways flight to Doha. A possible codeshare cud be the main reason for the timings Connectons from DOH? Interesting indeed.....
G8 to CMB from Mid March
6E to JED from 29th March
6E to DOH from 16th March
JAL to NRT frm 31st March(?)
LH to MUC frm 31st March(?)
Crazy Month of March, ive heard even FLYNAS is planning to fly btw JED and BLR 3x weekly, but still not confirmed.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:45 pm

sand26391 wrote:
jetlaggedAF wrote:
The route makes complete sense to me because BLR is all about yield and SEA gives AA a readymade market to fill the front of the plane on low risk corporate contracts. I fly IAH-BLR-IAH every year to visit family for a week or so and have flown the route in J on EK, QR, BA, AF and LH in the last 5 years (I like trying different products out). I don't think I've ever seen an empty seat up front in all that time. BLR has a very high concentration of multinationals who will fly all of their employees in J at all times. There's a reason everyone files in their top of the line product on the BLR routes.


BA pays more than Rs 1 lac PER DAY just for security for their A350-1000 to BLR.
LH754 pax load for 17/02 is as follows: 6F/73J/229Y
The F and J class are most of the time filled on LH. Most of the EK flights are overbooked on most days, BA is doing well on the market filling those J and W seats on a daily basis, AF is doing Excellent on the BLR-CDG sector with above 90% loads in JAN 2020, KLM is doing very well too with loads averaging 88% on AMS-BLR and 93% on BLR-AMS sector for JAN 2020. When I recently spoke with KLM airline staff (ex 9W guy) he said they is a likely chance for the airline to increase the flights to DAILY in the next 18 months, when asked abt MAA he said as of now there is no plans for AF or KLM to start to MAA as they do not fill many of the premium seats. For HYD he said "the airline is studying the market" but he has no idea of any developments.


I'll probably give KL a shot this year just to say I've tried everything. I've read good things about their J product. I've been flying to BLR for 15 years now since my parents retired and moved there from England. Its sure come a long way from the time my only 1 stop option from the States into there was LH via FRA on an ancient 343. I've been flying J exclusively the last 7-8 years now and I honestly can't remember seeing an empty seat. I flew QR last year and every Q suite on the 77W was occupied. I think BLR is very much like SFO as a destination because of the heavy skew towards business travelers that's disproportionate to the total passenger numbers. The airport's been feeling more and more crowded for the late departures. The lounges are rammed to the point it's hard to get a seat. Terminal 2 can't come quickly enough imho.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:02 pm

Come 2021 hopefully things will change, ive heard rumors that there will exclusive airline/alliance lounge(s) once T2 opens.
QR's J is almost full on most days, except in non peak travel month like this month (FEB). The loads have been 70-80% for pas 45 days.
The BLR DOH route is one of the highest revenue making route for QR in South Asia.
Im actually surprised, I was thinking the loads on AF will come down as KLM operates 3x weekly but I was completely wrong. TAF and KLM have been doing excellent. With AF deploying 381 seater B77W on a daily basis for past 3 months.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:06 pm

A friend forwarded this pic to me .. he works in an IT company.

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Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:52 pm

sand26391 wrote:
A friend forwarded this pic to me .. he works in an IT company.

Image


Superb CREATIVE ad. Is this at BLR airport?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:54 pm

@sand and @jetlagged. Thanks for your informative posts and welcome to the forum!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:39 pm

sand26391 wrote:
subramak1 wrote:
If AA was interested, they could a tri-weekly service to MAA from SEA. The distance is not that different than BLR and since AA789 only have 30 J class seats - they can full them up. saying this based on the fact CX, BA, LH and EK fill up their J class seats(230 seats daily) to MAA

Edit: It will be interesting to see if these 30 J class seats can be filled up via SEA alone( Cathay gets its traffic fro west coast and East asia)

KK


I recently spoke to a a Revenue Management Analyst from AA and she said they had no plans to start to MAA or HYD. They(the team based in DFW) were never interested at the MAA market. They primarly focus only on DEL/BOM/BLR. She said that HYD has the numbers but no yields and MAA is looked only at for the cargo but do not provide te numbers like BOM/DEL/BLR. She said they are not looking at any new destinations other than DEL/BOM/BLR as of now. Cud change in the near future if the yields increase from HYD.


Not surprised at the CARGO portion at all, may be J class passengers are paying lower fares to MAA as compared to BLR. But good to know

KK
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:48 pm

I have heard rumours of UA launching EWR-BLR but I also hear UA wants to launch SFO-BOM when they get the A350 or block seats with the 789.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:42 am

x1234 wrote:
I have heard rumours of UA launching EWR-BLR but I also hear UA wants to launch SFO-BOM when they get the A350 or block seats with the 789.

What’s the market 0r connection between SFO (tech) and BOM (bijiness)
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